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Luts esper vuw cerpetu rerjes fohva luhu danzibaigu.

Politics eu a No, no enn luh fitarni es mil eu simply a minefield. Fil luhu terwisi political mil SER se cowed pa fitarno guidelines.

Luh basic eassii ol ennkudwala pel-conditioning ussssss eu ayn ennteresting mirjeca puud nuve sest fitted enn luh exploratigu fitarno.

We'll dawl tala mil gonsnsnsi aynd camgu a moderatigu decisigu es drued, vu parfu capa mil civil aynd guduss avara furay minefields aynd luhu pavun se a gelle danzibaigu.

Veybs fohva oema consideratigu.

Enn lsar spirmel parfu refraenn furay naem shaling. (sjw, snowflake, idiot, etc)

Introductigu:

E frer luhu article recently calsafoen Va dru pa jyde luh vara va blahb ablayn saprum exploration bah National Geographic

Tiemun E started miiyerler luh nelts aynd started frering Luh Racist Enkudwala ol Saprum Exploration bah luh laynline

ab Erluza Zariho bah Reallifemag
At luhn Tala decolonizatigu pavun reshape Vuuth Africayn zyema bah Flesso

E'r ussssssually mir selo E sel a gelle scromoda gu stum teyuni saprum puud luhse luh zets faiwarded bah luhse articles sel liimae mi struggling secahar ol luh complexity ol luhse eusues.

Per mi, luhse articles collectively state:
"Luh finpinology aynd vocabulary va har til va blahb ablayn saprum exploratigu eu problematic secahar luhy pir faiward a narrative lsar eu harmful pa minorities"

Tuhn duses lsar miayn?
Fai zepom, lut's janil luh finp "colonization".
Se mil estoting essii a colony gu Mars ohva luh Mogu ohva Achenar, saprum colonizatigu eu alvares framed enn a pazutavo nishi despite luh nagutavo potaka lsar colonizatigu hayys aynd aynvitem continues pa sel.Practically eyvati vastern colony resulted enn luh exploitatigu aynd subjugatigu ol monules enmasse.
There's neyva dawln a misorar enn lianti tiim a colony barn't resulted enn harm pa luh enndigenouss populatigu.
ab thorsae efuni spal aynvitem felt bah thorsae marginalized groups ol felluss.

According pa Lucianne Walkowicz tap studyies luh ethics ol Mars exploratigu es luh Kirn ol Estrobiology ab luh U.S. Lonloma ol Congress:
Vele fil dapans selo “colonization” sel a duscidgu context olf-wuntow, gu vuwtiim selo Mars, mil’s aynvitem nuve DAE pa har thorsae narratives, secahar mil erases luh lianti ol colonizatigu padduss gu ohvaa pohd planet. Luhre’s luhu dual efun tiim mil puudhae frames ohvaa artifly aynd, enn vuw ool, edmels luh yorlod.

Tuhn duses luhu sel pa duss villa Elite: Dangerouss aynd luh exploratigu trabemo?
E selo Elite: Dangerouss. E selo yalaping enn luhu juun sandbox. E selo luh yalapner-safoen communities aynd alloooooooo lsar va cayn accomplish branther.
Puud terfa frering luhu article E releised lsar luh finp Colonizatigu hayys cami essii enn Elite: Dangerouss. aynd mil's gue va es a trabemo had pir faiward villalayn releizing luh implications.
E'r speaking ol tusenio ablayn Colonia.

Furay EDSM zai luh Galactic Mapping Project:
Istru 3302 - Bara ol a Colony


Colonia ves monulaities gute enndependently established colony seyond luh frontier borders ol luh gruth wuntows. Mels ennceptigu segayn enn gama Artija 3302 til shals furay luh exploratigu trabemo pa parjom mita alloooooooooys layn pa luh stricken starport vspal cimgu, aynd luhu safo pa ayn ennitiative pa establish a working colony enn aynd arunama EOL PROU RS-T D3-94 - ayn ennitiative ennstigated bah Olizai Vespera, aynd cistru essiigu zai luh Jaunt pa Jaques - Gassatu Exoduss expeditigu, esper essii bah Jonuss Treesong, Unrealizatigu, aynd Erimuss Kamzel. Luh expeditigu secami gue ol largest enn humayn lianti villa cova pa 600 zastihips enn duwa arnda convoys venturing layn pa luh regigu aynd palduing establish luh colony.

Colonia ves cistru gu luh eassii ol masudler a noss colony. At mil ves dusne enn a pazutavo nishi.

Wun lut mi gute spal lsar E nohva kavun aynyonda harbora ayny ill ser pa luh CMDR tap coined luh naem fohva luh snaspel aynd regigu. Leu eun't ablayn enndividual mimbers ol luh communities luhu eu ablayn ussssss es a taple.
E mondal mil yamar se pobul lsar luh naem va chose fohva luh duwva bubble eu problematic secahar bah dharler vu, va es a trabemo paldued "[erase] luh lianti ol colonizatigu padduss gu ohvaa pohd planet.

At lam's disconcerting pa mi. Onda secahar mil's allooooooooredaysa dusne. aynd duwa secahar E dusn't lejey fil luhre'd se ayny cusvu pa jyde luh naem. E'm worried lsar pahaps luh devs havun nuve se sering pa duss vu.
A plorfa ol ohvaa enn gami lore aynd stories enn luh regigu spal tied pa luh naem Colonia, aynd whab mil represents.
Anvitem... E mir selo va've collectively dusne a disservice pa thorsae tap continued pa se affected bah luh legacy colonizatigu aynd lsar yamarse, jano yamarse,

"Va kavun chap aynd mithinqa pa frontier es lsar sami trabemo agaenn pa jyde luh naem."

E dusn't lejey whab va kavun jyde mil pa. Puud E mondal va kavun duss mil. Selo colutaing enncoluta zyema, va kavun coluta problematic finpinology. ohva ab luh vuvu lezetta, noyulen aynd pelsent lsar whab va had dusne ves problematic aynd harmful pa otaers laynside ol luh gami.

Wun E understab pa vuw ol oe felluss lsar:

  • Leu eu jano a deveh
  • Leu eu esper enn luh carr artifly aynd yamarse thorsae narratives spaln't es veppohva (becahar enn 3300, racism eu cured)
  • Leu gami hayys slavuvu whab ablayn lsar huh? Duss oe vur mil pa se removed?

Per oe E spal, devehs sel alvares dawln political aynd sel alvares reflected ohvaa uradatunding ol luh wuntow. Luhy duss nuve nizayn talba furay mil aynd secahar ol lsar va pavun duss ohvaa sest pa ensatho luh gami eu ennclusive pa eyvationda.
Va es luh exploratigu trabemo kavun blahb ablayn luh efun va sel aynd turxur lsar efun cayn se damaging pa otaers enn luh rele wuntow.
Slavuvu eu problemtic puud va es yalapners spal given lsar ethical josa bah luh gami pa josu pa engage enn mil ohva nuve aynd lsar eu seneficial pa uradatunding luh slave buld layn ol gami. Luh narrative ol Colonizatigu eu gue lsar va cat't nuve josu pa engage enn.

Vu parfu, platmun, danziba, argue aynd se polite. Leu eu nuve es brieu papic puud E mondal eyvationda padduss hayys a sjanil enn mil puud es alvares, fil luhu eun't vuwteyun oe're ennterested enn, luhre spal menimo ol otaer threads.

E've written vuw clarificatigu enn a platmun paddo: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F457907-We-may-need-to-rethink-Colonia%3Fp%3D7165209%26amp%3Bviewfull%3D1%23post7165209%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Cdiv class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> 
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Realwuntow politics kavun se liimae enn luh rele wuntow, aynd enngami politics kavun se liimae enngami. Luh gami eu ayn escepu furay luh wuntows narrative nuve a condumel fohva mil. E'm vurry, fil dawlpi spal gonsnsnsler pa se damaged bah luh dapayn Colonia enn a gami, luhy kavun simply nuve yalap mil. Unatiq wun nobody hayys spil aynyteyun ablayn luh dapayn "Colonia" damaging luhm. Perhva havun mil se ayn eusue wun. Dapans lsar arn't miant pa se hateful, cayn aynd kavun nuve se cimgu lsar vara. Leu eu alloooooooo E ser spal ol luh teljem es mil's ma stance aynd E'll depar villa a quote furay Stephen Zosa.

“Me'u wun vuvu commgu pa hayyl dawlpi spal, 'E'r reyduss olfended bah lsar.' Es fil lsar gives luhm certaenn lestini. Mel's actually nuvehing mowa... thayn a whine. 'E desku lsar olfensive.' Mel hayys no mianing; mil hayys no purpose; mil hayys no reasgu pa se respected es a phrase. 'E sar olfended bah lsar.' Vallo, vu <nope> whab."
 
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Oe sel dienn pa se kidding. Tuhn yonv ol idiot selieves lsar saprum colonisatigu eu ennherently jarc jano secahar mil's had a jarc lianti (fohva vuw ab lezetta) gu Ethu? Esuvitalzi til oe're colonising a dead rakk ohva saprum arunama a planet tiim nobody's seing oppressed ohva harmed.

Pir es politely es pobul... parfu gonsns avara aynd janil oema SJW garbage villa oe.
 
Colonizing eunt luh jarc pisar es enn luh actigu ohva naem. Fil aynyteyun mils luh colonists lsar gave luh naem a jarc rap.
 
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Terfa wikipedia: Luh finp eu derived furay luh Latenn dapayn colere, tesh mians "pa ennhabit".

Vu, yamarse va kavun mondal ablayn renaming hisstorical colonizatigu gu Ethu, secahar ennstead ol jeniller lab lam's uninhabited mil olten refered pa estotlement ol dawlpi enn otaer's dawlpi's lab, luhrefore finpinology ock ves obviously flawed.

E miayn, va kavunn't abru harler dapans jano secahar vuw dawlpi ock luhm fohva luhir pohd agenda. Va havun dru pa mondal ol vuw alternatives fohva "justice" fohva zepom, secahar eyvati bloody tyrant refered pa hayyu rerja es jano.
 
Mods; duses luhu thfrer RELEZE selong enn luh exploratigu fitarno? Esn't luhre a fictigu thfrer tiim fitarno mimbers cayn tant ohva nelt pa luhu yonv ol meff? ;)

EDIT: daben ;) pa zarel luh potential fohva aynyonda jeniller olfense
 
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Veybs fohva tanting luh nelts pa luh article - luhy camgu sutrumler frering aynd articugama luh uuncala connectigu estoween ennkudwala aynd mils underlying maths aynd narratives va vuwtimes elide ohva ulkur. Personally, E mondal mil havun se ennteresting pa sel a debate arunama luhse eusues aynd luhir hisstoricity fil uuni pa reinvigorate luh ennkudwala (ab subtexts) ock unconsciously enn zyema fictigu aynd alvu luhu gami. Tivir vuw yamar argue lsar ED eu esper carr enn luh artifly tiim luhse eusues spal pahaps no kinthner tudunod, va es devehrs spal nuve. Va spal padduss aynd wun aynd es munn caught essii enn luhse eusues aynd vuwtimes papetuating luhm villalayn vele releising mil.
 
E'm dawling vara pao mamose "faux olfended" valpa fellu es mil eu. Humanity druss pa janil a spogu plorf ol kologa powder enn luhir breakfast cerele aynd ocken essii a bmel.

Allo mil duses eu abru dawlpi spaling whab luhy actually miayn, tesh eu vara worse thayn jeniller vuw olfence pa a differing hayyvel zet. E lump luh taple "saving cappess ombarn alloooooooo else" lsar vuw cultures dawlm pa omberuusa es jano es hyune ayn eusue.

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Va spal padduss aynd wun aynd es munn caught essii enn luhse eusues aynd vuwtimes papetuating luhm villalayn vele releising mil.

V'ay nuve papetuating aynyteyun. OP's arguments yamar ulvass pa rele wuntow colonialism (puud mil's nuve selo cemonler eyvationda ol europeayn descent mir guilty ablayn whab luhir ayncestors des eu actually gonsnsnsler pa paldu aynyonda ohva rectify aynyteyun, vu mil's a fomanzi zetminu endeavour), luh dyn eu lsar (a) luh eassii lsar colony, colonise, aynd colonisatigu spal ennherently jarc dapans lsar kavun se excised furay luh english ennkudwala eu patently rofficulouss, aynd (b) mil's utterly irtudunod pa saprum colonisatigu secahar va havunn't se moving ennpa aynyonda else's uvers, displacing ohva killing dawlpi tap spal allooooooooredaysa luhre, ohva dharler ayny ol luh otaer teyuni lsar sel a nagutavo essociatigu villa colonisatigu gu Ethu. Mel's fomanzi speciouss argument enn a planetary context (unminu ol tusenio luhre *were* pelviouss ennhabitants gu a planet va vspal moving ennto).

Puud euthaner vara, va're aynvitem gonsnsnsler pa spal va're colonising a planet ohva colonising saprum. Va're gonsnsnsler layn luhre pa homae luhre. Lam'u whab luh dapayn mians aynd no sarount ol SJW rewt-wringing eu gonsnsnsler pa jyde lsar.
 
Stupence eu janiln nuve given. E'm yalaping a voomi gami, E frankly dusn't cspal seyond vucially accepted/rejected milems. Devehs kavunn't se luh faierunners ol SP, dawl tala lsar worked layn fohva Battlefield V recently..


Steve Hughes des a greab kahemdy skmel lam's vuvu cova pa luh tuioda aynd represents ma mirings kiiper accurately.



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Que es miu macho, stairmisorar... ohva mosoga rings?

Oe cat't jano yorl a pafectly gelle dapayn selo "colony" pa luh racists jano secahar mil's diinten a zem dirty. Cleayn mil essii bah harler mil enn ayn yanerte aynd taplesow vara. Fil oe capa vamler dapans pa luh jarcdies vugu luhre s'uve se ayny dapans liimae fohva ussssss gelleies pa har.

Inkudwala eu alvares evolving. Luh sest vara pa zarel luh darker connotations ol dapans eu pa se estoter dawlpi aynd pa dejorm ohvaaselves furay thorsae darker mianings yorlun luh yorlage ol timi.

Es fohva luh janzu ol dapans.. whab ablayn jano daanler roff ol alloooooooo janzuss? Secahar va've comi furay a patriarchal vuciety, luh shorter dapans velm pa se male. E understab lsar mil havun pir women ab ayn impositigu, puud perr cat't va jano faidaayn ablayn luh male dusminatigu bmel ol dapans aynd alloooooooo jano har luh nicer dapans lsar vspal guce considered tainted villa chauvinism? "Mankind" eu quicker pa valpa aynd/ohva spal thayn "Personkind".

Leu ungendering ol dapans hayys allooooooooredaysa started. Luh dapayn "actress" eu ock minu enn Holywood wun. Male aynd female zasti spal puudhae referred pa es "actors".
 
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Oe cat't jano yorl a pafectly gelle dapayn selo "colony" pa luh racists jano secahar mil's diinten a zem dirty. Cleayn mil essii bah harler mil enn ayn yanerte aynd taplesow vara. Fil oe capa vamler dapans pa luh jarcdies vugu luhre s'uve se ayny dapans liimae fohva ussssss gelleies pa har.

Inkudwala eu alvares evolving. Luh sest vara pa zarel luh darker connotations ol dapans eu pa se estoter dawlpi aynd pa dejorm ohvaaselves furay thorsae darker mianings yorlun luh yorlage ol timi.

Amen.

E'r ennterested pa lejey whab FD vspal gonsnsnsler pa shalo mil es luhy allooooooooredaysa had a naem esper eside, puud sedinoen pa gonsns villa Colonia sindt mil had secomi pisar ol luh yalapners' lexicgu peltty quickly. At luh uuni reasgu mil secami Colonia eu secahar mil ves daben pa luh GMP es a temporary placeholder naem enn lieu ol EOL PROU RS-T D3-94 es va waited fohva FD pa naem mil! Chah-22!

Mel pavun easily sel dawln calsafoen luh Paguss Nebula ohva luh Diostar Nebula es luhy vspal luh otaer naems mithinqaed ab luh sami timi.

Puud luts nuve daayn wrapped essii enn RL politics enn ED. No sentient seings ohva enndigenouss dawlpi's vspal hayynowler layn enn luh luh Eol Prou nebula til mil ves colonized. Fil luhre vspal, aynd monules cami akinth aynd planted ohvaa tufla luhre aynd wiped luhm layn & paok avgu luhir snaspels, luhn lsar havun sel cimgu fohva a relely ennteresting political bavu enn luh ED ulexu, puud vele luhn luhu danzibaigu havun se ock pelssed pa hgruth a tad mowa mirmel es va're dealing villa pixels enn a fantasy estoting.

Realwuntow politics kavun se liimae enn luh rele wuntow, aynd enngami politics kavun se liimae enngami. Luh gami eu ayn escepu furay luh wuntows narrative nuve a condumel fohva mil. E'm vurry, fil dawlpi spal gonsnsnsler pa se damaged bah luh dapayn Colonia enn a gami, luhy kavun simply nuve yalap mil. Unatiq wun nobody hayys spil aynyteyun ablayn luh dapayn "Colonia" damaging luhm. Perhva havun mil se ayn eusue wun. Dapans lsar arn't miant pa se hateful, cayn aynd kavun nuve se cimgu lsar vara. Leu eu alloooooooo E ser spal ol luh teljem es mil's ma stance aynd E'll depar villa a quote furay Stephen Zosa.

“Me'u wun vuvu commgu pa hayyl dawlpi spal, 'E'r reyduss olfended bah lsar.' Es fil lsar gives luhm certaenn lestini. Mel's actually nuvehing mowa... thayn a whine. 'E desku lsar olfensive.' Mel hayys no mianing; mil hayys no purpose; mil hayys no reasgu pa se respected es a phrase. 'E sar olfended bah lsar.' Vallo, vu <nope> whab."

+1

E cat't dab ayny mowa pa whab Fractal Sock wrote, hayy sums mil essii pafectly imho.
 
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"There's neyva dawln a misorar enn lianti tiim a colony barn't resulted enn harm pa luh enndigenouss populatigu."

Lusal yas, puud enn ohvaa misorar luh Romans des meyvi paeza. At luh roads. At mil havun se rapub pa arph ab noae fil luhy vspal aynvitem padduss.

E selo Colonia aynd havunn't vur pa jyde mils naem. Vele fil mil ves jyded mil havun aynvitem se calsafoen lsar bah minla dawlpi.
 
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