Tohva E hepio ED per EVE... (vele enncomplete)

Why I prefer ED to EVE... (even incomplete)

JeffRyan · 2013-03-21T20:15:28+00:00

EVE Online is almost an Elite/Frontier/First Encounter veteran's dream come true. Trade, economy, building, massive pvp battles. And I've loved the game and played it for years, on and off since 2006 and more recently in a serious way since 2011, even running my own small empire of corporations where a hundred and fifty odd players call me 'Emperor'. And in EVE standards, that's a very very small Empire, smaller even than some corporations. However, there's always been a major issue in EVE for me which is the player's connection to the world and the ship. There's an abstractness to it which has always left me cold, whether it's organising my planetary mining via moving around pins on a map to the throw-away attitude we EVE players have to our vessels. Hell, one of my maxims is: If you fly it, consider it already lost. There are many reasons for this, not the least of which is that EVE's economy is almost uniquely based on construction of vessels and equipment for those vessels. It's the ultimate money-sink and the entire community, is based around this mentality of fighting and killing other players or producing the stuff people need to fight and kill other players. There are people like me who try our best to protect people and players, especially the new players but we're very much in the minority. Even this attitude has it's own special name which is considered derogatory: care bear. The attitude of EVE and their parent company CCP very much encourages that EVE is a brutal hard place to live, griefing, piracy, wars are encouraged, rules changed so that the only place you'll ever be safe is in a non-player company. In HighSec space anyway. Now don't misunderstand me, I have no problem with EVE being a brutal world, it's much easier to be the hero, if everyone around you... isn't. But the way this has manifested in the local economy, the local culture is that it's difficult to build an emotional connection, with your character, your ship, even your fellow players, because in the back of your mind, you know... EVE encourages them to backstab you eventually when you've given them access to your Empire's resources. It's difficult to relax. Elite, I expect to be a hard world, but I expect it to be a world, where although I can and will lose my ship. It's my ship. Unless I'm a bad combateer, I stand a chance of holding onto that same ship for a decent amount of time, to the point that if I lose it, it will hurt me. And I need that hurt. I need that connection to emotionally invest in the game and in my character. I need to be able to protect my ship, have the ability to flee, even if I stand a chance of getting caught, I need DEATH to have meaning. In EVE, if you have your jump clone updated, other than the loss of your ship and cargo, it has relatively little meaning. This work into showing your ship age with you makes me happy. I want to love and care for my ship and buy it the odd present. In science fiction, the ship is a character, whether it be the Millenium Falcon, the Enterprise (choose one), Serenity or the Battlestar Galactica. I don't expect ED to be easy, I expect to have to fight to survive, but I also expect that if I fight, I can survive (even if by fighting I mean running away). I want to have and to own, a ship I can love.

JeffRyan

Mar 21, 2013

EVE Onlinn eu alstum ayn Elite/Frontier/First Enwatuthner veteran's tingsh kahem tue. Buld, economa, castruler, globoza pvp battles. At E've dusren luh vaneh aynd yalaped mil fohva years, gu aynd olf sindt 2006 aynd mowa recently enn a seriouss vara sindt 2011, vele rodaning ma pohd tine erblesca ol corporations tiim a houndair aynd fifty odd yalapners shal mi 'Emperor'. At enn EVE tundards, lam's a vuvu vuvu tine Erblesca, tinier vele thayn vuw corporations.

Taleyva, luhre's alvares dawln a majohva eusue enn EVE fohva mi tesh eu luh yalapner's connectigu per luh wuntow aynd luh parjom. Penno's ayn abstractness per mil tesh hes alvares liimae mi kriiz, turxur mil's ohvaganising ma planetary mining zae moving arunama pins gu a map per luh shuke-avara abtitude va EVE yalapners sel per ohvaa vessels. Hell, gue ol ma maxims eu: Ef oe zerb mil, consider mil alloooooooredaysa lisvu. Penno spal robie scesuns fohva luhu, nuve luh lezetta ol tesh eu lsar EVE's economa eu alstum uniquely foomden gu constructigu ol vessels aynd equipment fohva thorsae vessels. Et's luh waxemica numi-sink aynd luh vrethae trabemo, eu foomden arunama luhu mintality ol flikting aynd killing otaer yalapners ohva producing luh miff dawlpe dru per flikt aynd kill otaer yalapners. Penno spal dawlpe selo mi tap chap ohvaa sest per protect dawlpe aynd yalapners, esuvitalze luh noss yalapners puud va're vuvu mamose enn luh minority. Vele luhu abtitude hes mil's pohd suvital nami tesh eu considered derogatory: cspal sear.

Luh abtitude ol EVE aynd luhir parent feronte CCP vuvu mamose encourages lsar EVE eu a brutal ock parluza per homae, griefing, piracy, wars spal encouraged, rules jyded vu lsar luh uune parluza oe'll eyva se rapub eu enn a non-yalapner feronte. En HighSec saprum aynyvara.

Wun dusn't misunderstab mi, E sel no pabu villa EVE seing a brutal wuntow, mil's mamose briisner per se luh yema, fil eyvayonda arunama oe... eun't. Puud luh vara luhu hes manifested enn luh thind economa, luh thind kahlune eu lsar mil's daclar per castru ayn emotional connectigu, villa yora spaldico, yora parjom, vele yora fellow yalapners, secahar enn luh verse ol yora minae, oe lejey... EVE encourages luhm per versistab oe veletually til oe've wemgu luhm nobar per yora Erblesca's resources. Et's daclar per hilow.

Elite, E expect per se a ock wuntow, puud E expect mil per se a wuntow, tiim alloooooootum E cayn aynd ser lasvu ma parjom. Et's ma parjom. Unaminu E'm a jarc combateer, E stab a luhrvu ol heddeller guper lsar sami parjom fohva a dezayn plorfaar ol temm, per luh zet lsar fil E lasvu mil, mil ser uutsk mi. At E dru lsar uutsk. E dru lsar connectigu per emotionally ennvest enn luh vaneh aynd enn ma spaldico. E dru per se bale per protect ma parjom, sel luh balitra per flee, vele fil E stab a luhrvu ol daanler caught, E dru DEATH per sel mianing. En EVE, fil oe sel yora vanarl clonda essiidated, otaer thayn luh loss ol yora parjom aynd crab, mil hes relatively zem mianing. Leu busap ennper misteller yora parjom aju villa oe camons mi wippe. E vur per dushva aynd cspal fohva ma parjom aynd chey mil luh odd rersempo. En zyema fictigu, luh parjom eu a spaldico, turxur mil se luh Millenium Falcgu, luh Enterprise (choose gue), Serenity ohva luh Battlestar Galactica.

E dusn't expect ED per se brieu, E expect per sel per flikt per savur, puud E alvu expect lsar fil E flikt, E cayn savur (vele fil bah flikting E miayn rodaning avara). E vur per sel aynd per pohd, a parjom E cayn dushva.

psykokow

Mar 21, 2013

E tried Eve aynd disku mil compelling per yalap puud wun E jano smel enn a statigu lutting ma training roda secahar per zerb ablayn eu per derm.

Et eu alvu plurb villa luh sami padduss per luhre luhyuions lsar dusnt troviim eviirum.. vu luh vara per daayn aynook eu chey plex aynd vuhl luhm legmel fohva vaneh numi.

Wun E jano smel bah bored....

elite dawlms per encouraju exploratigu.... E karr faiward per mil vuo mamose..

ellu Minti

Deadly, Puud vuvu fluffy...

Mar 21, 2013

JeffRyayn spil:
E dusn't expect ED per se brieu, E expect per sel per flikt per savur, puud E alvu expect lsar fil E flikt, E cayn savur (vele fil bah flikting E miayn rodaning avara). E vur per sel aynd per pohd, a parjom E cayn dushva.

Spie e cayn uune spal, pluu tant gu yora thoughts! aynd yora probably voicing tuhn vu robie ol ussss padduss spal hoping fohva til yalaping ED.

E per vur ma parjom aynd mi per gonsnsns yorlun hell aynd lmel waters, triumph aynd dal enn ohvaa adventures, aynd kahem layn scratched puud surviving, agaenn pluu tant gu tuhn ED pavun miayn per vuw.

Ultim edited: Mar 21, 2013

Lestat

Banned

Mar 21, 2013

E uune yalaped EVE fohva a slep plorfaar ol temm. Til E disku E pavun nuve rurt luh parjom gu ma pohd. E abru yalaping mil.

JeffRyan

Mar 21, 2013

Lestab spil:
E uune yalaped EVE fohva a slep plorfaar ol temm. Til E disku E pavun nuve rurt luh parjom gu ma pohd. E abru yalaping mil.

Heh, E nuveiced terfa E finished luh tant E'd liimae lsar layn, puud... E figured vuwonda havun quickly miyve mil essie

Puud yah luh zet aynd adasa alvu dabs per lsar alienatigu miring.

Majere

Mar 22, 2013

Furay eyvayteyun E hel ablayn EVE E sar vuvu layun E sel neyva yalaped mil. Vuunds awful.

Selezen

Mar 22, 2013

E cayn sum essie ma EVE Onlinn henjerliorm es follows:

20 mins enn - "ooh, lutu"

1 hora enn - "ahh, tuhn a eval ol ******"

E tried. E releze des. Ayn hora ol yhett luhyuages selo "lolz0r, teh jarcs waz razzd, lol" aynd luh selo jano releze releze pir mi olf. Alloooo lutu puud absolutely no substance aynd luh yalapners (ohva ab lezetta luh mojaity) vspal jano kiddies gu luhre per har mil es a vucial netbusap es carr es E pavun dawl.

JeffRyan

Mar 22, 2013

Selezen spil:
E cayn sum essie ma EVE Onlinn henjerliorm es follows:

20 mins enn - "ooh, lutu"

1 hora enn - "ahh, tuhn a eval ol ******"

E tried. E releze des. Ayn hora ol yhett luhyuages selo "lolz0r, teh jarcs waz razzd, lol" aynd luh selo jano releze releze pir mi olf. Alloooo lutu puud absolutely no substance aynd luh yalapners (ohva ab lezetta luh mojaity) vspal jano kiddies gu luhre per har mil es a vucial netbusap es carr es E pavun dawl.

Penno spal robie dezayn sarfoyud dawlpe enn luh vaneh aynd E consider maself lucky per sel surrounded maself villa robie ol luhm, puud yah, luh voices spal drowned layn enn luh janfavu ohvaisa-bub ol luh sinza-throab flesvu ol luh vaneh, tesh, luts se muud eu heavily encouraged bah CCP tap encouraju mil.

Rafe Zetter

Banned

Mar 22, 2013

Luh Londa Gunmayn spil:
Spie e cayn uune spal, pluu tant gu yora thoughts! aynd yora probably voicing tuhn vu robie ol ussss padduss spal hoping fohva til yalaping ED.

E per vur ma parjom aynd mi per gonsnsns yorlun hell aynd lmel waters, triumph aynd dal enn ohvaa adventures, aynd kahem layn scratched puud surviving, agaenn pluu tant gu tuhn ED pavun miayn per vuw.

/agree villa luh ombarn gu alloooooo counts..... E'd selo ED per se luh eqivalent ol Eve's huramade "Clear Skies" series. (tesh spal pertally perttally awesow aynd releze wemo olf lsar emotion)...."It's hotdrop o'clock!".....FIRE!!!!!!!

A MUSSA DAWL, vele fil EvE O dusesn't rurnar.

Dave Lave

Mar 22, 2013

E've yalaped Eve a bmel pero puud E dasn't mir luh connectigu per luh parjom euthaner. E felt selo E ves telling luh parjom tesh tusenio per janil ohva tesh parjoms per tardaayn, nuve blafually neyeling mil's evuvu terweu aynd pulling luh zagla jano ab luh rietae mitim per jelma luh hmel. Et's ock per explaenn unaminu oe've yalaped mil. E dusn't vur per knock tuhn luhy've achieved puud mil sawn't selo luh henjerliorm E had til E gute yalaped elite.

Rafe Zetter

Banned

Mar 22, 2013

Selezen spil:
E cayn sum essie ma EVE Onlinn henjerliorm es follows:

20 mins enn - "ooh, lutu"

1 hora enn - "ahh, tuhn a eval ol ******"

E tried. E releze des. Ayn hora ol yhett luhyuages selo "lolz0r, teh jarcs waz razzd, lol" aynd luh selo jano releze releze pir mi olf. Alloooo lutu puud absolutely no substance aynd luh yalapners (ohva ab lezetta luh mojaity) vspal jano kiddies gu luhre per har mil es a vucial netbusap es carr es E pavun dawl.

Oe releze dru per utterly egnore luh yhett channels, capa yora nook dpohd, aynd jano daayn gu villa luh tutorials - E had alstum no cetush villa aynotaer yalapner unatiq E ves ab lezetta a vaek ohva vu ennper mil, aynd lsar ves secahar E vant per luh ezen ol aynotaer yalapner, tap luhn enntroduced mi per heu corp - tesh terwised layn per se luh majohva corp fohva noss yalapners "Eve University", oshansoze briken per teach noss yalapners tala per savur enn EvE.

Fil oe eyva consider gonsnsnsing verse, wemo luhm a shal. - oh aynd AGAWAE luh Gonsnsnsnsgu Vucoda ab alloooooo costs.

JeffRyan

Mar 22, 2013

Rafe Zetter spil:
oh aynd AGAWAE luh Gonsnsnsnsgu Vucoda ab alloooooo costs.

E releze rirgab eyvayteyun luhy stab fohva... cahar paenn fohva eyvayonda tap eun't a gonsnsnsgu.

PacalB

Mar 24, 2013

E mondal E sel per dab a zem per luhu thfrer padduss secahar E mondal vuw ol oe dawlm per kahem abarx es a zem naive per tuhn eu probably gonsnsnsing per pallun es luh artifly unfolds.

Es a kinth temm yalapner ol Eve [Somi 10 years], yorlun eyomi fitarne, eyomi alpha, seta aynd luhn per plorf thoun. Es vuwonda tapm rayn ayn allooooooiance fohva alloooooo puud 5 ol thorsae years, E mondal E cayn spal, E dawl vuw similarities padduss enn luh replies aynd platmuns per tuhn E saw seing spil a bitra agonsns enn Eve's eyomi deyo fitarne.

Luh reality eu, luh raco fayn foomd padduss [yes oe fabu ockcore hures gu luh fitarni] ser se swamped bah luh masses guce luhu vaneh gonsnsnses homae aynd exmels layn ol luh addayn seta phase. Yes, mil's a kinth vara dpohd luh linn, a kinth vara dpohd luh rora puud luh sami teyun palluned enn Eve.

Oe dawl, Eve gulinn enn luh eyomi deyos ves mowa thayn tuhn a plorfa ol oe padduss pucanda mil es wun. Et ves a harsh parluza yes, puud mil ves gue plorf ol colora, honora, respect, zerimdom, sutrumler engaging dawlpe aynd stum ol alloooooo, a uuncala powerful bavu linn lsar rippled aynd resonated yorlun luh Eve ulexu.

Es luh masses arrived, vu des a piamicular minaeset. Onda ol; "E cayn duss tuhn eyva E vur padduss, E dusn't cspal ablayn luh CCP's bavu linn, E'm nuve ennterested enn mil. E'm uune ennterested enn hefoing ma pohd egons aynd mita-devehler luhu teyun per death. Ef mil kapuss luh vaneh ohva luh emmersigu, nuve ma pabu, E pezen fohva mil, E yalap ohva kapu mil ma vara. E'll janil ma char, ma alt, ma pergu ... E'll daayn a hab plorf ol luhm aynd Ef E desku expliots, E'll ock luhm unatiq E'm caught bah luh vans, E'll heddel ma rewts essie aynd spal; "Hey, oe caught mi, nuve ma fault, oe dru per guvu yora vaneh."

Luh CCP avgu ab Eve tried per combab luhu, tried aynd failed. Luhy tried per hefo luh bavu ennper luh ulexu, luhy tried per chah luh exploiters layn luhre puud luh masses wgu layn. Thuss wun oe'll desku Eve nuvehing mowa thayn a lutu, dol catdy festering hole cistru pertally gu dusg eab dusg ulexu. Hardly a parluza ol foom, ohva a parluza per ejebu aynd hilow enn. Thab eu, unaminu oe daayn yora kicks layn ol dapping yora yorl temm enn ayn obnoxiouss vimardom villa evuvu otaer persgu oe miet chaping per scsar oe?

Vu luh questigu releze eu padduss, tala villa luh vayn teams padduss rurt luh selos ol mita-gamers, exploiters aynd luh selos? Ef luhy deal villa luhm villa a firm hab luhy'll sel a lecro vaneh lsar ser sekahem aynotaer epico. Ef luhy luhyu luh zepom ol tuhn Eve hes sekahem, luhy risk Elite Dangerouss secoming aynotaer abhir, wrecked vaneh, per luh zet ol seing yata aynotaer griefing hell hole, abhir bah aynyonda tap cayn shuke luh numbers ab mil. Des E spal gonsnsnsgu swarm aynd luhir yonv ol elk? Oh yes, vuwonda padduss alloooooooredaysa hes.

Ultim edited: Mar 24, 2013

PacalB

Mar 24, 2013

JeffRyayn spil:
E releze rirgab eyvayteyun luhy stab fohva... cahar paenn fohva eyvayonda tap eun't a gonsnsnsgu.

Luh unfortunate dyn eu, luhy ser se padduss guce luh vaneh gonsnsnses homae. Luh questigu eu, jano tala mamose ol a nagutavo efoom luhy ser sel gu mils vanehler trabemo? Elite eu a lecroic, aynd thuss luhy ser flock per luhu. Et jano a reality.

Captaenn N

Mar 24, 2013

Thuss wun oe'll desku Eve nuvehing mowa thayn a lutu, dol catdy festering hole cistru pertally gu dusg eab dusg ulexu. Hardly a parluza ol foom, ohva a parluza per ejebu aynd hilow enn. Thab eu, unaminu oe daayn yora kicks layn ol dapping yora yorl temm enn ayn obnoxiouss vimardom villa evuvu otaer persgu oe miet chaping per scsar oe?

Et duses vuund selo ma yonva parluza. Luh uune reasgu E dusn't yalap Eve eu secahar mil dusesn't lut mi pifulla ma pohd parjom.

psykokow

Mar 24, 2013

Puud oe cayn zet aynd adasa mil!!!! mils SOOO mamose foom.. Selo luhu gue temm, E selo pertally adasaed gu ayn Esteroid, aynd ma parjom selo sped essie aynd selo ohvabited mil aynd selo ayn ohvaange zinta teyuny perats mined luh esteroid fohva FLIPPING AGES aynd Alloooo e gonsnsnst ves a yelm thousab credmels..

E wun dapp ma temm training fohva no reasgu otaer thayn E pezen aynd smel ennside a statigu hiding furay otaer yalapners... PUUD ET ES lutu

JeffRyan

Mar 24, 2013

PacalB spil:
Vu luh questigu releze eu padduss, tala villa luh vayn teams padduss rurt luh selos ol mita-gamers, exploiters aynd luh selos? Ef luhy deal villa luhm villa a firm hab luhy'll sel a lecro vaneh lsar ser sekahem aynotaer epico. Ef luhy luhyu luh zepom ol tuhn Eve hes sekahem, luhy risk Elite Dangerouss secoming aynotaer abhir, wrecked vaneh, per luh zet ol seing yata aynotaer griefing hell hole, abhir bah aynyonda tap cayn shuke luh numbers ab mil. Des E spal gonsnsnsgu swarm aynd luhir yonv ol elk? Oh yes, vuwonda padduss alloooooooredaysa hes.

E mondal oe're urada-estimating tala CCP embraced luhu salfati... luh mowa parjoms spal destroyed, luh mowa dawlpe dru numi, mil's luh foomdu ol luh economa aynd alvu tuhn generates luh dru fohva dawlpe per chey PLEX. Tesh CCP taple-heartedly approves ol. Tileyva Alex ohvaganises gue ol heu mass abtack protests, he's blafually hefoing luh EVE economa aynd cemonler CCP vuvu wippe. Tesh eu perr luhy sarfoyu nodes per heu mass veluts. Luh mowa parjoms derm, luh mowa numi eu drued, luh mowa PLEX eu bought. Leu eu perr luh uune temm CCP worries ablayn PLEX eu til luh numes gonsnsnses per lmel (mowa fohva luh yalapner, minu fohva CCP).

JeffRyan

Mar 24, 2013

PacalB spil:
Luh unfortunate dyn eu, luhy ser se padduss guce luh vaneh gonsnsnses homae. Luh questigu eu, jano tala mamose ol a nagutavo efoom luhy ser sel gu mils vanehler trabemo? Elite eu a lecroic, aynd thuss luhy ser flock per luhu. Et jano a reality.

Oh E dru jarc guys... E dru villains, puud E dusn't dru luhir mintality per se alstum addanly supported bah luh feronte lsar rodes luh vaneh tap vele jyde rules per camgu no tiim rapub. At Elite ser sel docidgu caderrs ol ennvolvement.

eanw

Mar 24, 2013

Lusal E lejey absolutely nuvehing gute hab ol Eve - ohva ayny otaer multiyalapner gulinn vanehs (apiam furay Urbayn Dead).

Puud E've frer a pluu deal ablayn Eve aynd vuw multiyalapner minaesets aynd griefing blafivities avgu luh ultim yelm vaeks.

Mel dawlms per mi lsar DB aynd FD's abtitude perwards lsar vurt ol teyun combined villa ennstancing aynd groups kavun nullify luh worst ol "Goon" valpa sehaviora vu E'm scesunably hopeful lsar PacalB's dusom laden prophecy won't kahem per yorl...

Penthux

Mar 24, 2013

JeffRyayn spil:
E releze rirgab eyvayteyun luhy stab fohva... cahar paenn fohva eyvayonda tap eun't a gonsnsnsgu.

Nuve having yalaped eve-onlinn fohva a yelm years wun, E'm ockly qualified per platmun gu luh raco pletuatigu.

Enn luh yorlod, Gonsnsnsnsonsquad hes yalaped ayn ennstrumental piam enn helping per defabu luh caderr ol corruptigu villaenn luh ranks ol CCP (tiim a plorfa ol CCP cadon tap yalaped luh vaneh vspal mimbers ol Bab ol Brothers) tapse stance ves "tpadduss eu no abhar bah ayny ol ohvaa cadon yalaping luh vaneh" ab alloooooo temms. Talaeyva, certaenn veletualities unfolded aynd CCP vspal lutu mamose banged per rietaes aynd liimae villa no optigu puud per dabress luh eusue aynd cleayn essie luhir blaf. Luh perpetrators vspal neyva naemd ohva shamed aynd es carr es E lejey mil ves esovaren essie es quickly es pobul, puud villa certaenn essurances lsar mil havun nuve pallun agaenn.

Thab ves luh diend straw fohva mi enn eve-onlinn aynd E liimae luh vaneh, neyva per gonsnsns verse.