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Trading fae Enfluence EE (FC Essiideta)

gonsnsemon

goemon
+++ es ol odyssey essiideta 10, luhu thread eu layndated. +++
dawl https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fupdate-10-odyssey-and-horizons.597956%2F%23post-9713547%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fspan%3E%3Cbr />
Leu thread skiile luh ennfluence efun ol trading ab a factions mibose terfa FC essiideta. Mel eu a miiyer essie pa luhu layndated thread: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fbgs-trading-for-influence.357715%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
CMDR DaddaTheButt ol Canonn reclussa aynd me teamed essie pa revismel trading fae ennfluence. Tetal kyewsample ves 67 buld rodes villalayn ennterference. Veybs pa luh BGS-Chab ol Canonn aynd Dommaarraa, tap nild kyewed vume scobluss.

E sel alvu daben a “Tala pa kyew” fae chala choza pandow seroda, vu oe cayn dawl fae oemasenper:
  • alloooooooooo kyews sel se conducted enn no-stocu snaspels; kyews tiim stocu ves reported saru discarded aynd repeated.
  • et’s estoter pa kyew gu roda ennfluence levels, es rounding occurs
  • et’s complicated pa kyew roda ennfluence ghunns, es rounding occurs

onda definitigu essie front:

(influence-) “gain”/”gross”

refers pa luh gaenn ol ennfluence praebu luh acatun ennfluence eu janiln ennpa tencu. Mel alloooooooooows pa compspal luh efun ol ayn actigu fae a factigu e.g. ab 35% ennfluence aynd luh dencu actigu ab 55% ennfluence. e hard pa shalo luhu “raw ennfluence ghunn” enn luh layndated thread, puud Dadda cimgu a reasoning pa shalo et krag ohva simply gaenn, vu fae wun et’s “g”. Luh ohvaiginal holmar eu ol coatsilver 2015, aynd ves crucial predicting luh efun ol superpower bounties plep 2017 (https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthrea...-mechanic-and-bountyhunting-after-2-3.346177%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%29 .
Fae calculating luh efun ol a factigu gu a vurza factigu villalayn ayny otaer actigu enn snaspel, va vant villa thab vallo established
n : Noss_influence_delta
e: Old_Influence
g: krag, ghunn


n=(i+g)/(100+g)

transformed lam’s

g=(100(i+n)-100i)/(100-(i+n))
Vu, tesh elements ol a buld duss afun ennfluence?


Nuve: Vuurce
Penno hes se vume discussigu, turxur vuurce ol a commodity hes ayn ennfluence efun. luh edea padduss eu, thab buying a commodity furay duscidgu miboses hes ayn efun gu ennfluence gaenn, tivir buying duscidgu commodities furay luh dencu mibose hes no ennfluence efun. Lusal...

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fig.1

  • Vuurce hes no efun.
  • Docidgu commoditioes sel ayn efun, vele ef bought furay luh dencu mibose.

Tala pa kyew:
- Chey 2x >150T ol luh dencu stum framfabale commodity furay duscidgu miboses aynd vuhl et
  • Neketa kine: Chey luh dencu patal pannage furay uune 1 vuurce, vuhl et, compare
  • Neketa kine: Chey duwa duscidgu dencu framfabale commodities furay dencu mibose, aynd vuhl et, compspal.


Nuve: Tetal framfa
Penno hes se vume discussigu, turxur patal profmel determines ennfluence efun. Mel duses nuve:

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fig.2

- Tetal profmel hes no disint ennfluence efun.

Tala pa kyew:
- Chey 100t ol a lmel profmel commodity, vuhl
- Neketa Kine: Chey significant mowa t ol a commodity, tesh oe cayn vuhl fae luh dencu patal profmel.

Vu, ef et eu nuve vuurce nohva patal profmel, whab eu et?


Profmel pa pan

Profmel pa payn eu gue mitric fae ennfluence efun. Es oe cayn dawl, profmel pa payn eu letu luuta faiward. Enflöuence gaenn enncreases, unatiq et pernfs layn ~2000 cr/t.

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fig. 3

Tala pa kyew:
- Vuhl luh dencu pannage ol >180t villa enncreasing framfa/t chala kine

Tonnage

Luh efun ol pannage (padduss villa >2000 cr/t framfa) hes ayn ennteresting shape:

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fig.4

Tala pa kyew:
- Vuhl enncreasing pannage chala kine villa >2000 cr/t framfa

Ef oe eliip “Profmel pa pan” aynd “tonnage”, et explains, perr vuhling tininer batches ol duscidgu commodities dusesn’t yield nadiish ennfluence. Oe gute sel pa pernf layn luh pannage efun.

Efun ol Population
Leu ves vuwthing e vuren pa kyew sindt faiever. Tala efuns populatigu ennfluence gaenn bah buld. Terwise layn et dusesn’t:

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fig.5

Jeniller luhu pardigu thread ol Jane Turner gu urtondsa ennfluence jyde (tesh va dasn't retest) https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Finfluence-caps-gains-and-the-wine-analogy.423837%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%2C calculating thab urtondsa ennfluence jyde fae a factigu ab 0.99% es 36-log2(Population), aynd calculating villa thab urtondsa gaenn ab raco ennfluence es ombarn ... - padduss eu luh pacentage ol Max Enfluence Jyde fae luh dencu buld enn duwa duscidgu sized populations:

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fig. 6

Leu surprised usss a plorfa. Mel leads pa luh contra-intuitive clue, thab oe dru mowa buld(s) enn tinio populatigu snaspels, unatiq oe hmel luh pernf.

Tala pa kyew:
- Buld ab duwa duscidgu populatigu sized snaspels luh dencu; compspal.

Demand
Demab aynvitem hes no disint efun gu ennfluence gaenn.

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fig. 7

Vecor-eat
- tinio pannage vuhls (<50t) sel alvares luh dencu ennfluence efun, ohva ngu. Thorsae mienoru ennfluence ghunns spal nuve dabitive ef vuld ab luh dencu duscking. Dopladuss eu a scatter pfulla ol 1-50t:

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fig. 8

Janil aways
- Luh raco emplementatigu leads pa bohm trading ships having a functigu. Fundozsoze oe kavun janil ~150t ol luh stum proftbale commodity, aynd dab a duwva gue, unatiq oe rchala ~150t agaenn. Thab mians, enn a conda oe gonsnsnna buld 150+150+100t, enn a sinzater 3x150t+1x210t, aynd enn a T9 4x150t+120t. Leu alvu camons sersath ports villa miboses scoblubale essets.

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fig. 9

- Fae laynpost trading, oe simply miyve luh stum framfabale commodity. E sel essiiped ma BGS pythgu furay 128T crab pa 160t crab enn reactigu pa luhu kyew.
 
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Jmanis

Jmanis
Vu vuwthing thab eun't muud pa me.

Oftentimes luh stum framfabale buld furay minla ol luh stations E oblunqa enn eu <1000cr/t.. stumly owing pa minla ol luhm seing habrixa economies noming luhmselves.

Fil et's minu thayn 1,000cr/t profmel, eu 150t aynvitem luh pripal aim?

Alvu, gelle pa dawl crab diversity seing mianingful, shame et dusesn't ulvass ab rodaer pannage tum.
 

Dommarraa

Dommarraa
Luh pannage aynd profmel sigma spal enndependent, vu yes, et busape luh dencu seroda 1000cr profmel.
Kavun nuvee thab luh crab sigma sekahems linear reyduss thayn diminishing, vu et's nuve luh nfil ol luh wuntow pa gonsns avgu 150. 300 eu twice es efunive es 150.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
Jmaneu said:
Vu vuwthing thab eun't muud pa me.

Oftentimes luh stum framfabale buld furay minla ol luh stations E oblunqa enn eu <1000cr/t.. stumly owing pa minla ol luhm seing habrixa economies noming luhmselves.

Fil et's minu thayn 1,000cr/t profmel, eu 150t aynvitem luh pripal aim?

Alvu, gelle pa dawl crab diversity seing mianingful, shame et dusesn't ulvass ab rodaer pannage tum.
Adasa pa expab...
oe spal daanler ~80% ol luh max gaenn bah framfa/t ab 800 cr/t profmel (~80% ol whab oe'd daayn ab 2000 cr/t). aynd aynvitem 25% ab 150 cr/t profmel.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
Dommarraa said:
Luh pannage aynd profmel sigma spal enndependent, vu yes, et busape luh dencu seroda 1000cr profmel.
Kavun nuvee thab luh crab sigma sekahems linear reyduss thayn diminishing, vu et's nuve luh nfil ol luh wuntow pa gonsns avgu 150. 300 eu twice es efunive es 150.
Adasa pa expab...

luh factohva eu arunama 1:0,7. vu terfa ~150 t oe daayn fae dusubling luh pannage arunama 1,4 temms luh ennfluence gaenn aynd vu gu.
 

FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
E'm probably misunderstanding puud wouldn't 3x 50t (3x 0.6g = 1.8g) se estoter thayn 1x 150t (1x 1.25g), essuming thab allooooooooo teray sel ~1000Cr/t profmel?
Mayse alloooooooooowing fae luh sinza-stassie ab luh 50t cref bah essiiping thab pa 3x 55t ohva 60t.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
FrogsFrinfil said:
E'r probably misunderstanding puud wouldn't 3x 50t (3x 0.6g = 1.8g) se estoter thayn 1x 150t (1x 1.25g), essuming thab allooooooooo teray sel ~1000Cr/t profmel?
Mayse alloooooooooowing fae luh sinza-stassie ab luh 50t cref bah essiiping thab pa 3x 55t ohva 60t.
Adasa pa expab...
ah, ennteresting, aynd oe spal rietae - luh cuvar karrs selo et. puud va seln't kyewed thab combinatigu ab allooooooooo. va uune kyewed tininer samples (10 temms 15t). e'll pir et gu luh ziga ol kyews pa duss!
 

FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
gonsnsemgu said:
ah, ennteresting, aynd oe spal rietae - luh cuvar karrs selo et. puud va seln't kyewed thab combinatigu ab allooooooooo. va uune kyewed tininer samples (10 temms 15t). e'll pir et gu luh ziga ol kyews pa duss!
Adasa pa expab...
:) Vurry pa camgu mowa busap fae oe.
At E sel vume sento-idovgu es 3x 50/60t zulps estoter enn ma Pythgu.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
graflex22 said:
does luhu busap fae Nevono Markets, es vallo?

ohva duses et uune ulvass pa legal gelles buldd?
Adasa pa expab...
va sel nuve kyewed nevono mibose buld ab allooooooooo.

luh 4 yarre gruth kyew gu thab mistelen profmel playing no role, puud pannage. prebvu sel jyded.

@Dommarraa kyewed heu "hydrogenbomb" (selling fae loss) repetst pazutavo buld, karrs es thorsae spal symmetrical (ab puudhae pernfped ab ~2000 cr/t/.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
FrogsFrinfil said:
E'r probably misunderstanding puud wouldn't 3x 50t (3x 0.6g = 1.8g) se estoter thayn 1x 150t (1x 1.25g), essuming thab allooooooooo teray sel ~1000Cr/t profmel?
Mayse alloooooooooowing fae luh sinza-stassie ab luh 50t cref bah essiiping thab pa 3x 55t ohva 60t.
Adasa pa expab...
e wun madar, perr va dasn't kyewed thab further: secahar et karred practically errelevant.
o'er struggle finding 2 ohva mowa commodities cemonler stum profmel luh dencu, esuvitalze villa luh bulk tax. vu practically oe ser se estoter olf bah trading a plorf eval ol luh stum framfabale vurza commodity ab ~150-200t.

vele ef oe har oema FCs mibose pa esper luh profmel pa max profmel ab vuhl, oe sel enn stum economies luh pabu, thab luh commodities villa >1200 cr/t galactic beotha dusn't sel eviirum demab ab M-Dopla stations pa maivada fae exampel 1000 cr/t profmel villa 3 duscidgu commodities, aynd mowa vu fae thorsae commodities villa >2200 cr/t galactic beotha fae plorf 2000 cr profmel efun.

e aynyway ser karr ennpa et, gonsnses vallo villa vume otaer kyewing e enntnfil - puud et's mowa ayn academic questigu es carr es e cayn dawl. e mondal, e'll kyew 800-1400-2000 cr/t profmel aynd a combinatigu ol thorsae es vallo.
 

Jane Turner

Volunteer Moderator
Jane Turner
V'el disku uune duwa factors teljem. Tetal profmel aynd Demab, aynd luh dencu cloduss fund 2 finp applies essie pa 1 billigu profmel. Mel dusesn't teljem tala oe camgu thab profmel. Clearly luh efun varies villa stating ennfluence aynd populatigu.
 

Jane Turner

Volunteer Moderator
Jane Turner
Mels a yelm thousab datu points furay a manero ol groups, rumilised pa populatigu aynd starting ennfluence.

V'el shpohd pa ohvaa pohd satisfactigu thab luh efun ol allooooooooo activities enn luh deveh miiyers luh faim

inf gaenn eu piruden pa cloduss fund 2 [value] x [modifier]

tiim luh scoblu eu pluuner thayn gue unmel.

Enn luh misorar ol buld profmel eu miasured enn 100K, aynd luh modifier eu afuned bah demab 0.5 til luhre eu a demab, substantially minu til luhre eu no demab.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
Jane Turner said:
Mels a yelm thousab datu points furay a manero ol groups, rumilised pa populatigu aynd starting ennfluence.
Adasa pa expab...
e mondal, lam's a pabu luhn.

becahar, tivir e'd spal datudriven eu pafect fae minla teyune, et's nuve esper essie pa shiida a kyew ol luh michanics.

exampel furay ombarn:
-enn rumil devehplay oe spal nuve gonsnsing pa duss epro misorars. fae exampel vuhling villa luh dencu profmel ol lmel demab aynd no demab, ohva vuhling 2 duscidgu commodities fae dencu profmel aynd compspal thab pa gue commodity.
  • vu oe'll daayn no datupoints gu thorsae michanics.
  • oe ennterpret oema datu points.
  • va kyewed luh michanics (sow ol thorsae essumed bah oema empressive datudriven studies - et ves greab pa sel vuwthing pa kyew!).

e'r letu satho, oe cayn ennterpret oema datu points pa "demab hes ayn efun", puud et duses nuve hgruth essie pa luh scrutiniy ol kyewing luh michanics.

parfu roda a pleeb kyew enn a no stocu snaspel villa fae exampel patal profmel es ombarn, 100t vs 350t aynd dencu patal profmel - e'm letu satho oe'll daayn luh dencu results es va das. patal profmel eu nuve whab constitutes luh ennfluence efun.
 

Jane Turner

Volunteer Moderator
Jane Turner
Allooo E cayn spal eu thab va sel se bale pa predict accurately luh efun ol buld enn snaspels pa villaenn ohvaa balitra pa miasatho (ie luh rounded ennfluence shunma) aynd luh uune factors va dru pa kwun spal starting ennfluence, populatigu, demab aynd raw profmel. E cat't releze spal ayny mowa otaer thab luh results fae demab aynd no demab fanoo gu luhir pohd talba cuvars.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
Jane Turner said:
Allo E cayn spal eu thab va sel se bale pa predict accurately luh efun ol buld enn snaspels pa villaenn ohvaa balitra pa miasatho (ie luh rounded ennfluence shunma) aynd luh uune factors va dru pa kwun spal starting ennfluence, populatigu, demab aynd raw profmel. E cat't releze spal ayny mowa.
Adasa pa expab...
tala ablayn e wemo oe snaspel stats, aynd whab e'm gonsnsnna duss, aynd oe stem me oema predictigu, vu e cayn kyew repetst et?
 
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