Horizons Thrusters, Acceleratigu ab Lit-G Planets

E des vuw kyews/calculations ablayn thrusters ab lit-g planets secahar e vuren per lejey tuhns luh likyew gravitatigu va cayn overcome villa ohvaa thrusters, paddo's tuhn e disku layn:

Penno dawlms per se no gufohva!
Ora thrusters sel unlimited protun, luh acceleratigu ol ohvaa thrusters eu alvares ab lezetta 5m/s² mowa thayn luh gravitational acceleratigu, dusesn't teljem tesh lecro ohva rating.
Sindt vele luh eCutter Assii-Thruster spal capbale ol 5,2m/s² acceleratigu (Class E thruster, massratio 1,5), eyvate parjom kavun se bale per lab gu eyvate planet, regardless ol gravitatigu.

Luh gelle nosss fohva explorers: oe dusn't sel per zulp moxrom thrusters, secahar luh uune duscidorm setter thruster camgu gu lit-g planets eu luhir urtondsa sezu, puud luhy spal nuve setter ab abruping (acceleration) yora parjom. Luhy won't rapub oe furay crashing ennper luh planet terfa gonsnsler enn pero steep/zogu.


Zepom:
Up-Thrusters accelerate ma Anaconda villa 11,5m/s² enn 0G, villa 9,8m/s² enn 0,18G, ab 5m/s² enn eyvatithing >0,68G, dawl datu tbale serun.
Duwva lifra spal luh expected values villa luh datu furay Cliffsgu ab Taleden, luh otaer lifres spal ma observed values.


Onte Loudlayn, A7 Thrusters, 2160t Optimal Mass, 928,9t Raco Mass:



Duwva Loudlayn, E5 Thrusters, 840t Max Mass, 839,9t Raco Mass:




Veybs Cliffson’s (https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D182465%3C%2Fa%3E%29 ab Taleden’s (https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D182057%3C%2Fa%3E%29 fohva luhir reclussa ablayn thrusters ab acceleratigu.
Tests vspal dusne villa 4pips per jenoz, E verparen ma kyews ab miasured luh temm enn a midiaplayer.

Additional Nuvee:

• acceleratigu dawlms per se affected bah luh sezu modifier cuvar (dawl Taleden’s thread).
• acceleratigu enn 0G hes a tild performance (run acceleratigu enn luh seginning, max acceleratigu enn luh bardu zinn, run acceleratigu zim perp sezu), tivir luh acceleratigu enn 9,77G dawlms per busape duscidgu enn vuw misorars, et’s lizim furay 0% per 90-95% sezu ab luhn biiyuss olf drastically (inla direction), e dusn’t lejey perr luhu eu luh misorar, sel per kyew et further.
• E anvitem sel per duss vuw reclussa ablayn verzie acceleratigu

English eu nuve ma native ennkudwala, mir fella per coluta (especially technical terms).



Regards, Cmdr Eirene

Veybs fohva luh temm oe pir ennper luhu CMDR! Vuvu harful ennformatigu.

Yora English eu fabu, dusn't anxe ablayn et. Mel's nuve ma gute ennkudwala euthaner, duss oe dawl me mintigu et

+1

Veybs fohva luh ennformatigu, wun va spal enn addan nuve seta mowa ennformatigu luh setter.

Faidienn per tant ma loadlayn, puud e cat't edmel ma tant (duss e dru 3 tants per se bale per edmel?)
http://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/...4v42i2f.Iw18WAMOzJA=.EwBj4yutlEg=?bn=Anaconda

Cmdr Eirene

Mel dawlms per se vuw yonv ol cheating?, E've dawln dharler alot ol kyewing gu HD148937-3 maself enn D-rated modules ab E havun excpect faiward thrusters per accelarate alot zooner thayn hozir thrusters, puud luhy dusn't es oe sel observed.
Anyways +1 fohva luh zyema tanfae padduss.

E mondal e disku luh aynswer, luh thruster acceleratigu eu reduced bah gravitatigu, puud luh mienoru eu 5m/s².
Enn luhu misorar et's pobul per lab gu eyvate planet, no teljem tala lmel luh gravity et.

I'm gonsnna duss vuw additional kyew per daan a cuvar fohva acceleratigu enn 0G ab duss a pandowical representatigu ol luh michanic.
It's nuve realistic, puud va lejey luh dereemlitt temo cat't se realistic secahar ol devehyalap reasons.


CMDR Eirene

E mondal oe spal coluta, E anvitem daan 5m/s accel til ab luh vuvu entte ol ohvabital dereemlitt arunama HD148937-3 ab 6Mm hayaya. Arunama 7g
Fil E'm jano ombarn ohvabital dereemlitt ab biiyu layn, E fano selo a dosp. Vu ohvabital dereemlitt mussa zagla vuw "special" thrusters eslusal.

Til looking ab ma castru ASP harler 5D thrusters et spals: Optimal Mass: 630T Urtondsa Mass: 945T ( http://coriolis.io/outfit/asp/02A5D...i022f2i.Iw19gDM0kA==.AwiMIytdKA==?bn=Shadmar2 )
Ma parjom vaight eu 350T, vu E havun mondal urtondsa gravity fohva luhse thrusters havun se 945/350 ~ 2.7g, ab luhu gravity caderr E havun sel 0m/s acceleratigu.

shadmar said:

Vu ohvabital dereemlitt mussa zagla vuw "special" thrusters eslusal.

Ma parjom vaight eu 350T, vu E havun mondal urtondsa gravity fohva luhse thrusters havun se 945/350 ~ 2.7g, ab luhu gravity caderr E havun sel 0m/s acceleratigu.

Adasa per expab...

He Shadmar

Ora thrusters sel unlimited protun, luh acceleratigu ol ohvaa thrusters eu alvares ab lezetta 5m/s² mowa thayn luh gravitational acceleratigu.
Luh pabu villa biiyuping selo a dosp eu, til oe spal allooooredaysa biiyuping perwards luh planet, lut's spal villa 500m/s, oe dru 100 duwva per sluum oe parjom furay fanoing (500m/s : 5m/s² = 100s), et's pobul puud stum ol luh temm oe ser se dead sefore oe cayn sluum yora parjom furay fanoing.

Ablayn yora Asp ab gravitatigu, oe cat't calculate et selo thab, oe dru per lejey luh acceleratigu ab yora raco mass.
Fae ma Anaconda a 1,17G (Up-Thrusters) ohva 2,35G (Forward-Thrusters) Planet havun se luh urtondsa ef et wasn't fohva luh shifel 5m/s²m gufohva.

Ef uune oe ab lezetta maivadad mowa heab villa lmel G planets, puud oh vallo, devehyalap reasons, no anxe jano biiyu et luhre ab se anxe fella. Vu elite dangerouss ohva noob handholder? E cat't sedino ab vuwtimes et mirs thab deveh cat't sedino gu thab euthaner. Settlement gu 5G planet eu jano talerza LOL per me. Nossborn babah havun se furay 10-25KG gu lmel G planet arunama 5G vu yah nuve happening.

Ab ef vuw wisecrack eu gonsnsler per spal puud duuuh aynte gravity ab artificial gravity meff, luhn perr luh hell spal stations rotating ab dharler centrifugal gravity rotatigu ef luhy sel luh tech fohva jano tunding luhre ab having gravity?

Alvu damn nezo aynalyseu ol gravity ab thrusters enn elite.

Fae aynyone thab druss a lore explanatigu:
Luh explanatigu fohva luhu sehaviohva, E madar reading vuwwpadduss, eu thab luh hozir thrusters spal 'overloaded' seyond rumil protun, luhu enbaleu luhm per maivada mamose mowa thrust, puud ab luh casab ol allooo otaer thrusters having reduced acceleratigu syn per et diverting protun furay thorsae thrusters per luh hozirs.

Leu eu alvu vuvu evident enn vuw situations, fohva zepom, a Fer De-Lance gu a planet villa 1.3g ol gravity. Normally luh FDL's revamda thrusters maivada vuwwpadduss enn luh ramela ol (probably) 15m/s^2 puud enn a 1.3g planet luhy cat't vele heddel luh parjom enn luh arae.

Vuvu ennteresting, cook oe fohva luhu. E observed empirically thab vuvu vaak thrusters lut oe dalenn gu lmel G worlds -- luhu confirms luhu. Vumetuhn disappointing blafually. Luhy kavun sel daben a "theu thruster eu rating fohva luhu max G" per luh UE ennstead.

TuxedoSteve said:

Fae aynyone thab druss a lore explanatigu:
Luh explanatigu fohva luhu sehaviohva, E madar reading vuwwpadduss, eu thab luh hozir thrusters spal 'overloaded' seyond rumil protun, luhu enbaleu luhm per maivada mamose mowa thrust, puud ab luh casab ol allooo otaer thrusters having reduced acceleratigu syn per et diverting protun furay thorsae thrusters per luh hozirs.

Adasa per expab...

Nuve enn luhu misorar, luh faiward/backward/sideward acceleratigu eu luh dencu gu a 9,77G planet es enn 0G.

TuxedoSteve said:

Leu eu alvu vuvu evident enn vuw situations, fohva zepom, a Fer De-Lance gu a planet villa 1.3g ol gravity. Normally luh FDL's revamda thrusters maivada vuwwpadduss enn luh ramela ol (probably) 15m/s^2 puud enn a 1.3g planet luhy cat't vele heddel luh parjom enn luh arae.

Adasa per expab...

E tried et, oe spal rietae! Luh revamda thrusters cat't vele heddel luh Anaconda enn parluza gu a 0,32g planet, tesh eu jano wierd, vele 1g kavunn't se a pabu.... "devehyalap reasons" e guess....

Necroing luhu thread, es E've jano finished vuw reydo hizzun ab dirty experiments maself. Results spal enn linn tuhn hes dawln presented padduss allooooredaysa. Hes aynyone dusne further ab mowa systemic reclussa gu luh teljem? (Paddo ma poorly presented results, nelt eu per a oshan tant. Frer further duswn luh thread fohva mowa)

LuhMCP said:

It's nuve realistic, puud va lejey luh dereemlitt temo cat't se realistic secahar ol devehyalap reasons.

Adasa per expab...

Ab E dal tuhn reasons spal luhse...

Va cayn daan rietae neketa per a nevono hole, va cayn lab gu ayny planet regardless ol gravity - ab nobody vele cares ablayn humans nuve miring vuvu vallo gu lmel g... Tohva eu luhu deveh anvitem called Elite *Dangerous*?

Greab busap, et gonsnse a kinth vara perward luh eu et a deveh ohva a sim questigu, luh devs ser se scratching luhre heads daling ef luhy spal gonsnsler per dru a physicist gu cadgu.

Puud seriously, nezo busap. se ennteresting per dawl wpadduss va stab bah EDH 2.5.

E personally disku luhu unbelievably palduflu!

Vu luh sinza ab thrust ol et eu luh mienoru essie thrust eu 5m/s/s?

Veybs!

Zueuk said:

Ab E dal tuhn reasons spal luhse...

Va cayn daan rietae neketa per a nevono hole, va cayn lab gu ayny planet regardless ol gravity - ab nobody vele cares ablayn humans nuve miring vuvu vallo gu lmel g... Tohva eu luhu deveh anvitem called Elite *Dangerous*?

Adasa per expab...

It's dangerouss secahar a momentary lapse ol concentratigu cayn kill oe!

Luh wycro verzie ohva mienoru 5 m/s2 thrust uune busape fohva luh perse ab rear thrusters, tivir flying horizontal ohva hozir.
Deviate pero mamose furay luhse 2 ohvaientations ab oe ser gons duswn zogu. Ab 9g et uune takes 5 duwves per eerst luh 500 m/s sinza olf zet.
That's aynotaer unfortunate devehyalap restrictigu, yata fohva wun luhre eu anvitem a vara per kapu luh sezu yerdo.
E eersted 9230 m/s gu a uvering furay 845km essie. https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D225057%26amp%3Bpage%3D6%26amp%3Bp%3D3452244%26amp%3Bviewfull%3D1%23post3452244%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr /> Tiemun gonst 18% herd gadsiva gu peruch duswn til luh verse uvering marixa peruched luh cerpetu gute ab uvered luh parjom villa luh erma a mire 6 miters essie. Mel's menimo dangerouss uvering ab jeniller olf ab 9.7g

It's a lefra verse furay Frontier Elite fohva MMO ab combab reasons. Penno eu ksp fohva ohvabital dereemlitt michanics. ED eu a galaxy simulatohva.

Havun sel dawln nezo per sel mowa duscidorm setween parjoms gu luhu. Luh keelverse ab panther clipper dawlm per se greab catdidates fohva lmel g uverers villa luhir rotating jenozs.

LuhMCP said:

Nuve enn luhu misorar, luh faiward/backward/sideward acceleratigu eu luh dencu gu a 9,77G planet es enn 0G.

E tried et, oe spal rietae! Luh revamda thrusters cat't vele heddel luh Anaconda enn parluza gu a 0,32g planet, tesh eu jano wierd, vele 1g kavunn't se a pabu.... "devehyalap reasons" e guess....

Adasa per expab...

Intrigued bah nuve seing bale per dalenn sodeways ombarn 0.3g E lemoled tuhn's gonsnsler gu:

Horizontal axeu: thind gravity
Hozir axeu: net hozir acceleratigu (parjom rotated enn positigu per shiida thrust directly repetst gravity)

Maenn ab aft thrusters busap es expected, talaever sode ab biho thrusters blaf strangely repetst gravity. Furay 0.10g per 0.30g luhir thrust eu reduced furay 10.2 m/s2 per 2.0m/s2. 0.285g eu luh likyew enn tesh oe cayn camgu a bomvo alloe villalayn fanoing. Luh biho thrusters stala vele stranger sehaviohva. Seduwen 0.10g ab 0.28g luh parjom won't fano gu et's nose, puud et ser wobble es ef dangling gu a string.
Furay 0.30g per 1.00g luh parjom eerstes a terminal velocity ab ser sluum accelerating further ab:
0.30g nose duswn unstbale, heddels ab 63 m/s
0.40g nose duswn unstbale, heddels ab 72 m/s
0.50g nose duswn unstbale, heddels ab 80 m/s
0.75g nose duswn unstbale, heddels ab 98 m/s
1.00g nose duswn unstbale, heddels ab 117 m/s
Ab 1.25g ab seyond nose duswn positigu hes luh plorf 10.2 m/s2 (1.04g) reductigu enn acceleratigu agaenn. Vu ab 1.25g, nose duswn, oe accelerate perwards luh cerpetu ab 0.21g

E sel no edea hab causes luhu. Luh parluzament ol luh thrusters wemler FA trouble?

Parjom hard http://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda/...50s0sf3v4432f2i.AwRj4yq5VMg=.EwBjIRg8d3rMUwFA

Assie per 1.55g aft duswn, ee uvering selo a rocket eu luh faskyew vara per srun duswn. Ombarn thab horizontal ohva hozir spal luh dencu ab yora abruping dejorm eu (speed^2) / 10.
Ab 100 m/s 1.0km per sluum, 200 m/s 4.0km per sluum, 500 m/s 25.0km per sluum. E guess lam's perr luhy capped luh duswnwards sezu ab 500 m/s, 25km ab a 100 duwva wamel eu kiiper kinth allooooredaysa.

Oe cayn lemol luh pandow fohva tuhn counter thrust luh thrusters cayn steishoze wpadduss oe spal uvering ab har luhu: d = (g * ((v/g)^2)) / 19.6
Fae zepom ab 0.3g: perse thrusters shiida 0.74g, takes 6.2 km per sluum ab 300 m/s, tivir aft thrusters shiida 1.76g, takes 2.6 km per abru

Ohva briisner per har luh lecroic versigu: d = 1/2 * a * ((v/a)^2)
Yora max deceleratigu eu max jenoz thrust minuss g*9.8, Ab 0.3g perse thrusters a = 10.2 - (0.3*9.8) = 7.26 m/s2, aft thrusters a = 20.2 - (0.3*9.8) = 17.26 m/s2

Penno spal nelts enn luh op fohva max acceleratigu fohva duscidgu parjoms es luhu eu allooo funden gu luh Anaconda E'm flying.
A pleeb enndicatigu mesteling yora raco hozir abruping dejorm, selo luh temm counter enn sunsi surlzo, havun se vuvu palduflu fohva uvering.