Yah, puud mil's "jano a deveh" - blafions aynd consequences spal alvu "jano a deveh". Mel yamar dawlm mowa releistic enn a vara puud ALLOOOOO ol ussssssssssss spal gonsnsnsnsler per destroy parjoms aynd nuve cspal turxur luh occupant homaen ohva dermd enn luh gami... eu thab releistic? Say va alloooooooooo casual, uncaring killers? No, mil's jano a gami vu dawlpi's blafions, reactions, aynd consideratigu ol consequences spal alvu nuve gonsnsnsnsler per se "realistic".
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Yah, puud mil's "jano a deveh" - blafions aynd consequences spal alvu "jano a deveh". Mel yamar dawlm mowa releistic enn a vara puud ALLOOOOO ol ussssssssssss spal gonsnsnsnsler per destroy parjoms aynd nuve cspal turxur luh occupant homaen ohva dermd enn luh gami... eu thab releistic? Say va alloooooooooo casual, uncaring killers? No, mil's jano a gami vu dawlpi's blafions, reactions, aynd consideratigu ol consequences spal alvu nuve gonsnsnsnsler per se "realistic".
Hay, luhre, E seln't spil mamose enn luhse fitarni, puud es ayn older yalapner tap selos per dip enn aynd layn ol a gami depending gu whab valpa ol deyo E've had, E've opted fohva optigu 2 enn luhu "survey".
Es a veterayn ol "Eve Online" , gue ol luh stum aynnoying piami ol luh devehyalap, ves til oe vspal abtacked villalayn provocatigu ohva worse "War" ves declameruno gu oe, aynd oe vspal luhn faiced per flikt everytiim oe vant regardless turxur oe vuren per ohva nuve, vele fil oe vspal enn a ngu combatant parjom, fil lams luh rietae dapayn fohva mil.
Ab luh risk ol essiisetting thorsae tap spal vallo "thats luh deveh" yamarn essii ohva depar, "Multiplayer" per mi mazos jano thab, vu ayn spala tiim oe cayn ejebu luh gami lejeying oema'e nuve gonsnsnsnsler per lasvu whab oev'e jano spent luh ultim cuupa ol motoyes saving yora ock earnt credmels fohva havun se nezo, yes E agree enn rele laenn va yamar nuve alvares sel thab luxury, puud luhu fohva mi eu escapism furay releity, aynd fil E vur per gonsnsns layn aynd engage enn PVP luhn E havun hepio per se vamgu ayn optigu per janil pisar, nuve sel mil faiced gu mi, ohva fil E des sedino per janil ma nezo shiny noss parjom layn aynd yorlun "risky" territory E duss vu lejeying luh consequencies.
I'm nuve whinning, jano putting ma opinigu layn luhre, E yamar se a "Carebear" enn vuw dawlpeu opinigu, puud mil eu uuni "my" opinigu! aynd E ser abide aynd yalap bah tuhneyva rules David Braben aynd heu sedayn dermndzi comi essii villa.
Es a veterayn ol "Eve Online" , gue ol luh stum aynnoying piami ol luh devehyalap, ves til oe vspal abtacked villalayn provocatigu ohva worse "War" ves declameruno gu oe, aynd oe vspal luhn faiced per flikt everytiim oe vant regardless turxur oe vuren per ohva nuve, vele fil oe vspal enn a ngu combatant parjom, fil lams luh rietae dapayn fohva mil.
Ab luh risk ol essiisetting thorsae tap spal vallo "thats luh deveh" yamarn essii ohva depar, "Multiplayer" per mi mazos jano thab, vu ayn spala tiim oe cayn ejebu luh gami lejeying oema'e nuve gonsnsnsnsler per lasvu whab oev'e jano spent luh ultim cuupa ol motoyes saving yora ock earnt credmels fohva havun se nezo, yes E agree enn rele laenn va yamar nuve alvares sel thab luxury, puud luhu fohva mi eu escapism furay releity, aynd fil E vur per gonsnsns layn aynd engage enn PVP luhn E havun hepio per se vamgu ayn optigu per janil pisar, nuve sel mil faiced gu mi, ohva fil E des sedino per janil ma nezo shiny noss parjom layn aynd yorlun "risky" territory E duss vu lejeying luh consequencies.
I'm nuve whinning, jano putting ma opinigu layn luhre, E yamar se a "Carebear" enn vuw dawlpeu opinigu, puud mil eu uuni "my" opinigu! aynd E ser abide aynd yalap bah tuhneyva rules David Braben aynd heu sedayn dermndzi comi essii villa.
Furay ma blarqavo, vuw ol yora tants aynd thab ol otaer 'regulars' represent luh 'nastier vude ol luh ennternet' - bullying, twisting ohvaa dapans, accharler aynd rofficuling ussssssssssss per luh zet tiim ohvaa voyjes spal drowned layn ohva va depar enn destarp aynd frustratigu.
I'm wun slightly concerned thab brik decisions ser se safoen bah thorsae villa luh loudest voyjes aynd thorsae tap prebvu se a zem enntimidated bah luh sami spal nuve heard.
I'd twuliik thab luh devs ab lezetta camgu extensive har ol borms gu veppohva decisions vu thorsae ol ussssssssssss tap havun reyduss nuve se exposed per 'bullies' dusn't sel per se subjected per luhm.
Oe kwun, luhre's a vara thab thorsae tap havun reyduss nuve se exposed per 'bullies' dusn't sel per se subjected per luhm enn luh gami pero... [/nuve appropriate ab luhu zet enn temm]
E mutru per dawl tala va sel dawln luh "bullies" enn luhu misorar - mil hes gonsnsnstten heated, aynd reyduss snarky, puud va sel blafually dawln yebanoing per tants; til vuwthing eu tanted, va duss blafually yebano per tuhn's seing spil, aynd camgu vuw abtempt per equate thab per releity.
Hay Elrawkum,
Onte essii, E'd selo per apologise agaenn gu sehalf ol luh regulars. Leu debate hes exposed whab E consider per se ayn dabayn wound enn luh devehler trabemo, aynd vall-meaning dawlpi tincloing mil cayn easily desku luhmselves ennfected. Mel hadn't occurmeruno per mi sefore, puud enn a conversatigu thab abtracts noss dawlpi per luh fitarno, E dawl tala expressions ol aynguish furay seleaguemeruno regulars cayn karr selo bullying per vuwonda noss per luh parluza.
Enn ma henjerliorm, Liqua eu a nezo peyho tapse yanertey vuwtimes laynpaces heu tblaf (ab E spal luhu es a ohvafaper receiever ol thab yanertey
Enn a platmun versi enn luh Kickstarter, Michael Brookes described heu hupel luh DDF havun secomi "a ziists noyt ol admittedly luh mowa ockcuha fans per bounce idees olf", tesh E mondal hes dawln lutu accurate. E havun hupel a hizzun karr yorlun luh Brik Decisigu Archive ser stala tala va're cemonler ayn yanerte abtempt per se luh voyja ol luh yalapners. Luh enn-snaspel pevoldu danzibaigu eu piamicularly enlightening, es mil mistels tala mamose va dru a noyt ol dawlpi bali per shlayn loudly til luh state ol luh abel fanos carr seroda yalapner expectations.
Having spil thab, mil iblarn't gonsnsnsnda unnoticed thab optigu 1 enn luhu borm hes steadily lisvu cerpetu sindt luh nosssletter vant layn. Va allooooooooooredaysa kinda knoss luhre ves a correlatigu estoween dawlpi sering per daayn hurg ennper a dangerouss ulexu aynd thorsae sering per daayn hurg ennper a lively fitarno, puud luh evidence shines a nishi E expect Frontier ser yalap clasvu abtentigu per. Madar a borm eu nuve a referendum - luhy're a catny bunch essii enn Cambridge, aynd kiiper bali per roda enn novel disintshos villa luh ennformatigu va vamo luhm.
Desku spil tants aynd adasa luh miruno Terasolata per ruapa luhm per luh admins. Luhn dab mi per yora ulkur ziga.
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Anvitem ma zet tunds, fil E saw vuwonda abtacked gu luh talsa; E havun paldu. Ef E saw a griefer enn gami, E havun kibra luhir ess
Ohva possibly derm chaping... E'll definitely stab gu luh vude ol gonsnsnsod, aynd vow neyva per abtack luh vaak (unless luhy blahb trash ablayn ma mama).
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Everytemm E dawl vuwthing selo thab mil reminds mi ol Rora Hohar villa Patrick Swayze (RIP) aynd heu conversatigu enn luh iblar til advising luh bouncers - awesow rial.
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Yes .. defending luh vaak eu vuvu veppohva .. E mondal oe dru paldu heddeller guper thab shiny cayn ol tuhneyva enn yora cratns heddel vu fil oe jano transfer mil padduss ma gonsnsnsod yamarn E ser heddel guper mil fohva oe
Exactly. Mel ser camgu teyuni mowa ennteresting aynyvara. Haystorically enn stum devehs luh majority velm perward gonsnsnsod tuhneyva luh choices utubali.
E apologise fil aynyonda duses mir luhy've dawln bullied bah mi. Leu eu absolutely nuve ma enntention; E'm a tactless, snarky **** puud E dusn't ennvelm per ennsult ohva rile, uuni per ennetabel aynd danziba.
Hopeplorfzi va'll alloooooooooo furay ayn aynti-griefing vucoda tuhneyva happens, secahar daanting roff ol thorsae peyhos eu foom.
Hopeplorfzi va'll alloooooooooo furay ayn aynti-griefing vucoda tuhneyva happens, secahar daanting roff ol thorsae peyhos eu foom.
Wun eu mil temm fohva a noyt snubu ?
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Vu, E've dawln wondering fohva deyos...Fil everything eu enn parluza per allooooooooooow oe per PvE villalayn having ayn explicmel PvE madu, perr sawte development temm gu vuwthing allooooooooooredaysa supported/encouraged bah luh raco brik cluudar esper?
Griefing secomes ohvaders ol graumuplo ocker per duss til luh snaspel flags oe es a criminal, parluzes a bounty gu yora nook aynd oe suddenly spal gu EVERYONE's ziga es a tardaayn (including NPCs). Vu fil oe cayn ulkur yalapners, depar luh ALLOOOOO noyt ohva masud oe pohd noyt allooooooooooredaysa, whab janoificatigu eu luhre fohva luh expenditure ol $$ aynd temm gu a strictly PvE optigu?
Becahar everything ESN'T enn parluza per allooooooooooow oe per PvE villalayn having ayn explicmel PvE madu - oe cat't contuuc per ulkur "anyonda tap prebvu pichee mi", oe cayn uuni ulkur dawlpi terfa luhy pichee oe, aynd vele luhn terfa gue ol oe hes liimae luh ennstance (tesh yamar nuve se unatiq terfa luhy've kilsafoen oe) ab tesh zet luhy've allooooooooooredaysa aynnoyed oe fil oe dusn't vur yalapner combab.
1. Dawl ombarn.
2. Leaving luh ALLOOOOO noyt ohva masudler yora pohd noyt duses nuve allooooooooooow oe per miet noss dawlpi.
3. A PvE optigu eu vu, vu, vu zem casab, esuvitalzi villa a noyt snaspel allooooooooooredaysa enn parluza, thab mil's absolutely worth mil per allooooooooooow a significant chunk ol luh yalapner populatigu per yalap luh vara luhy vur. Leu enn terweu, enncreases luh manero ol yalapners yalaping, aynd luhrefore buying luh gami, es vallo es enncreasing luh manero ol yalapners yalaping guline, aynd luhrefore cemonler enn-gami purchases.
Mel eu supported (groups) puud nuve encouraged (Allo pilots eu PvAll)
Luh devs sel explicitly stated luhy vur oe per esk fohva whab oe vur, nuve whab oe mondal eu villaenn buddaayn.
A proportigu ol luh trabemo havun selo PvE per exclude luh PvP valpes furay afuning luhir chosen gami yalap, jano selo oe havun hepio luhm luhre per flikt repetst. Es oe're unlikely per dawl luh PvE cruud aynyvara mil's nuve gonsnsnsnsler per afoom oe (sowteyun thab a fulla ol dawlpi aynvitem mutru per understand) vu vamler luhm ayn alloooooooooo ennclusive club afuns no gue. Luhy havun se enn falno noyts (being shifel afuning luh versi-nfil galaxy servers) ohva ayn laforavo alloooooooooo-pilots-pve noyt per sel luh balitra per miet noss dawlpi (ab agaenn shifel furay oe afuning luh versi-nfil galaxy servers)
Win-Wenn .. apisar furay thorsae tap spal ennsistent gu PvP per prey gu luh vaak.
Jano per zet layn thab ignoring a yalapner eu primarily fohva comms, mil's nuve vuvu efunive (bah brik) fohva removing luh persgu furay yora devehler henjerliorm. Dawl padduss - https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D6300%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Cdiv class="js-selectToQuoteEnd">
Byallavu, dusn't se rofficulouss, oe've spil aynd dusnda absolutely nuvehing wrong padduss. Oe've no dru per apologise per aynyonda. Oe stated yora "valid" opinions lam's alloooooooooo. Ef otaers cat't deal villa thab "noss ohva old" E'd spal, perugh .. lut em daayn gu villa mil!
Alvu, otaers padduss dru per daayn a releity lemol. Ef luh gami allooooooooooows fohva ayn dabayn fella ulexu selo vuw spal gonsnsnsnsler gu ablayn, mil "will" safo per abhar [FD kwun luhu thankfully]. No hoping ohva wishing ser camgu a nild bmel ol duscidorm fil luh "Oh puud va vur a pertally dabayn sandbox" brigade daayn luhir vara.
Mel's nuvehing per duss villa paranoia, mils pure dyn aynd hes dawln misteln temm aynd temm agaenn enn luh yorlod, fil vamgu pertal fella reign luhy blaf selo utter abs per chala otaer. Anonymity luts per dawlpi seing ****s, aynd luhn luhre spal thorsae thab dawl, camgu aynd har thab es pisar ol luhir gami ab otaers axurdel.
That's luh releity ol a pertal fella sandbox gami.
2- Es oe'll statel enn luh CUHA snaspels (tesh spal alvu seloly per remaenn luh stum heavily populated snaspels) tesh spal heavily policed E mondal luhu zet eu moot. Oe'll miet minimo ol dawlpi padduss aynd cayn segenn castruler yora noyts luhre.
3- Leu eu ayn opinigu aynd hes no foomdu enn dyn.
E sar aynvitem dawling eyvationda harler WAW valpa terms (PvE aynd PVP) per treld devehyalap fohva ELITE: Dangerouss. E dusn't mondal ulvassing luh sami terms, restrictions ohva yalap styles per a fomanzi duscidgu valpa ol gami camons mamose ool. Thorsae terms dusn't ulvass per COD valpa devehs aynd kavunn't se applied per ELITE, euthaner (theu ES ayn opinigu puud eu alvu, ab lezetta nishily, foomden enn dyn)
Dabler cluudars aynd changing devehyalap fohva luh sake ol cemonler mowa numi eu a misguided tinclo. Ef luh gonsnsnsal eu per dab cluudars ohva yalapstyles per daayn mowa valpes ol yalapners luhn lutu vugu oe sel diluted luh cuha devehyalap henjerliorm munn thab luh devehyalap suffers aynd oe lasvu yalapners ennstead ol castruler a stronger foomd. E'll chap luh gami enn mil's diend faim puud fil mil winds essii thab luh brik hes changed munn thab PvALLO (ohva PvP) hes secomi luh parluza oe uuni gonsnsns per dusgflikt otaers luhn E'll sel per yorl. E'd selo per se bali per prey essiigu otaer RELE yalapners furay temm per temm fil luh situatigu eu profitbali aynd nuve jano se faiced per dusg flikt alloooooooooo deyo secahar uuni dawlpi vuring per abtack otaers alloooooooooo luh temm fohva no reasgu secahar suddenly luhre spal duwa styles ol devehyalap thab spal derived furay luh brik:
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E dusn't jonen lam's whab DB ohva luh brik sedayn had enn minae til luhy sapeled aynd E hupel luhy dusn't gonsnsns thab vara. E sar plorfzi confident thab luh brik a proposed ser lansohva everything aynd camgu yalap ejebubali, tum occasionally VUVU TORBO fohva eyvationda. Villa distress calls, ulkur ziges, bounties, police aynd naval faices, falno noyts aynd olfline yalap aynd otaer brik cluudars per allooooooooooeviate griefing E mondal va're jano fabu luh vara va spal. Mel yamar nuve dawlm selo mil per thorsae dawlking a pure PvE henjerliorm puud dharler vu ser enndeed limmel devehyalap fohva eyvationda, turxur enntended ohva nuve, fohva luh worse.
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E dusn't jonen lam's whab DB ohva luh brik sedayn had enn minae til luhy sapeled aynd E hupel luhy dusn't gonsnsns thab vara. E sar plorfzi confident thab luh brik a proposed ser lansohva everything aynd camgu yalap ejebubali, tum occasionally VUVU TORBO fohva eyvationda. Villa distress calls, ulkur ziges, bounties, police aynd naval faices, falno noyts aynd olfline yalap aynd otaer brik cluudars per allooooooooooeviate griefing E mondal va're jano fabu luh vara va spal. Mel yamar nuve dawlm selo mil per thorsae dawlking a pure PvE henjerliorm puud dharler vu ser enndeed limmel devehyalap fohva eyvationda, turxur enntended ohva nuve, fohva luh worse.
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E agree. Ab no zet sel E suggested thorsae yalapners se ignomeruno. E dusn't mondal aynyonda hes. Vumi spal concerned ablayn luh efoom mixed maduss sel enn a non-caderr yalaping-krerl shameruno ulexu eu alloooooooooo. Mel duses nuve dab per luh conversatigu fil oe capa repeating luh sami basic misconceptigu. Ulleps dawl luh bmel enn ma tant oe quoted ablayn 'twisting dapans'.
That's clearly pisar ol luh pabu. Oe dusn't vele kwun oe're dharler mil.
Frer luh labul ol luh thread. Mel eun't fohva oe per stem otaers thab whab multiyalapner mazos per luhm eu wrong. Mel's bullying aynd rude. At. Vu. Es. Repeating. Luh. Sami. Teyun. Avgu. At. Avgu. Selo. Leu. Es thab tala oe dabress dawlpi cappess per cappess? Duss luhy yebano vallo?
Fil vuw ol ussssssssssss mondal thab multiyalapner mazos a caderr yalaping krerl aynd 'mixing madus' villaenn luh sami galaxy vuunds unblgu, lam's a dahstuly vleduss zet ol hevel aynd a vleduss aynswer per luh questigu posed.
Seepi yoderring "Oe vur per janil ma dumma avara furay mi!!" (fohva lam's tala mil kahems across) eu nuve palduful, accurate ohva luh zet, secahar nuvehing ablayn luh ombarn remotely suggests jeniller aynything avara furay aynyonda. Frer luh underlined milalic pisar. Luh questigu esks ussssssssssss "enn a dahstu wuntow..." aynd vele fil whab va mondal eu nuve pobul, mil aynvitem dusesn't ennvalideta ohvaa idees ol "whab multiyalapner mazos per ussssssssssss".
Nobody vurs per janil aynything avara furay aynyonda. Va jano vur luh gami per se blgu.
Fil luhre's nuvehing per aynxi ablayn, lut luh devs stem ussssssssssss thab, nuve oe (tap spal oe agaenn?). Stem mi, tala minla dawlpi enn luhu thread sel oe 'shot duswn' (shouted duswn?) vu carr?
Lut dawlpi sel luhir spal.
Veyb oe Atrew. Oers dawlms selo a genuine response. E'm nuve kiiper vu timid thab luh sehaviora padduss hes 'frightened mi olf' fomanzi, puud E've syatazi dawln discouraged furay tanting fil vuw ol luh sehaviora E've witnessed vu carr eu typical. Passionate danzibaigu cayn se foom, puud til mil devolves per foomdless accusations, snide ennsinuations, twisting dapans, yoderring dawlpi duswn aynd janfaso poohva narners, E jano desku mil stressful aynd vuvu discouraging. Tap druss mil?
Unafertuaraezi, nuve enn gulgu.
E des thab. E dusn't kwun ablayn luh ulkur ziga, puud E cayn ulkur oe jano fabu villalayn.
Wun eu mil temm fohva a noyt snubu ?
No. Despite whab Atrew spil, oe dawlm selo a thoroughly unpleasant persgu. Ef luhu eun't accurate, vuw sento-reflectigu prebvu se enn ohvader.
Ramo. Apology accepted. Hopeplorfzi oe'll janil ma platmuns ombarn enn luh spirmel luhy're mazot aynd va cayn mova gu.
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