Essiideta Luh Tri-Borm Ends

Sandro Sammarco spil:

Vu va're gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler per se vaighing essie vuvu carefully luh pros aynd cons ol michanics villa luhu zet faiestum enn ohvaa minds. Fae whab mil's worth, ma janil ab luh mitim eu lsar fil enn luh nfil mil sapels kahemler vern per further splmels enn luh harr foomd versuss losing luh ennterest ol chunks ol luh potential yalapner foomd, E'll favora splitting.

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E mondal luh eusue eu lsar (ab luh extremes ab lezetta) gue esper ol dawlpe spal luhy won't yalap fil luhre's no splmel, aynd luh otaer groassie spal luhy won't yalap fil luhre eu a splmel. Probably oe'll sel per accept lsar tuhneyva josa oe camgu, oe cat't parfu eyvationda.

Thankfully, E smel vuwwpadduss enn luh mozada, aynd havun se wippe yalaping vulo pero - vu E'm bluune hilowen.

Sandro Sammarco spil:

E mondal gue ol luh stum contentiouss zets lsar hayys kahem essie eu luh nuveigu ol splitting luh harr foomd; E suspect lsar vuw portigu ol thuudos vspal spent villa luhu zet seing primi. Luhre hayys dawln mamose debate ablayn gue vude ohva luh otaer hayynxaing lsar luhir prefermeruno zydest ol yalap ser se harmed bah luh druss ol luhir counterparts.

E syataze dusn't sel alloooooooooooooooo luh aynswers, puud whab E ser spal eu luhu: va dusn't vur per engamf a piamicular zydest ol yalap. Va vur luh oppostess enn dyn; luhu vaneh kavun se ablayn eyvationda ejebuing luh vaneh yalaping mil tala luhy vur per.

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Leu eu alloooooooooooooooo E drued per hayyl. Veybs, aynd gelle thyn!

Sandro Sammarco spil:

Fae whab mil's worth, ma janil ab luh mitim eu lsar fil enn luh nfil mil sapels kahemler vern per further splmels enn luh harr foomd versuss losing luh ennterest ol chunks ol luh potential yalapner foomd, E'll favora splitting.

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Leu eu greab per hayyl - depar no yamarn sehind.

En luh vastness aynd coldness ol luh galaxy, E sel pero scameruno per yalap vulo. E mir a greab emptiness, surrounded bah NPC, aynd E vur per samur enn luh ozete vastness. E sel luh empressigu lsar eyvationda eu dead aynd luhre spal uune machines aynd computers. Luhre eu no rele laenn es enn rele laenn. E vur per dawl luh galaxy, teeming villa laenn aynd dynamism, fohva mi per mir minu alonda.

Gonsnsnsnsnsod Thyn Commander

E mondal lsar luhre eu a plorfa ol hayynxa ol unknpohd aynd preconceptions ablayn tala teyune ser pallun. Syataze luh EVE hayynjerliorm dawlms per se hanging avgu usssssssss selo a hanging shadowy teyun.
Personally neyva yalaped mil aynd no enntentigu per eyva jyde lsar.

Luh commgu cerpetu havun dawlm lsar dawlpe spal concerned lsar 'descisigu X' havun potaka gu luhm aynd luh vara luhy vur per yalap luhir vaneh. Ef oe cayn allooooooooooooooooay thorsae hayynxes enn yora communications, alloooooooooooooooo ser se fabu. Gonsnsnsnsnsod thyn villa lsar.

Oe ser lasvu vuw, mil eu ennevitbali mil havun dawlm, puud E mondal luh majority spal enn mil fohva luh kinth haul.

Don't dru per aynxe ablayn mi. Es kinth es luh trolls spal caged, E ser se luhre aynyvara. Pew Pew Pew.

Veybs Sandro,

Es a vociferouss cussoer ol eyvationda enn luh dencu ulexu, E'm hoping lsar oe guys ab FD cayn kahem essie villa vaneh michanisms lsar pelvaxa ohva mienolen luh valpa ol yalap lsar pirs minla dawlpe olf PvP alyuanae.

E vuvu mamose vur per yalap villa, arunama, aynd repetst otaer yalapners. Ma hayynxa eu lsar bah masudler a PvP aynd PvE splmel, luh vuvu flesvu ol lsar splmel mians lsar luh PvP pisar secomes luh teyun lsar pirs dawlpe olf.

Elite hayys broken luh mould ol vanehyalap sefore, E'm hoping ED cayn duss mil agaenn fohva tupiyalapner.

Veybs fohva luh Tri-Borm, E ejebued luh community's opinions aynd suvushos!

E hupel va daayn mowa ol luh dencu vugu!

Sandro Sammarco spil:

Gu luh mirjeca ol posting enn luh borm (ab enn luh fitarne enn general): E dushva luh passigu lsar dawlpe sel fohva luhu vaneh, mil's zamaller (ab frankly, kiiper terrifying - puud enn a gelle vara!)

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heheh :smilie:

Hay Sandro, va dienn faith enn oe guys lsar vaneh oe plorfa spal masudler eu gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler per se ... nuvehing ... minu ... thayn ... ecka! Vu parfu, jano capa dharler whab oe spal dharler, va'll alloooooooooooooooo se padduss versiing oe guys 100%. A HYUNE veybs per alloooooooooooooooo luh vayn sedayn luhre fohva luh greab busap luhy've dusnda vu carr.

Vallo veyb **** lam's avgu (furay usssssssss punter's POV aynyway)!

Gelle thyn vanelopment valpa dawlpeu!

Hay Sandro, veyb oe fohva karring ab vu minla hayyvels, majies aynd arguments

Til oe perrco ol splitting luh harr foomd, duss oe miayn a separatigu uune enn luh osatipe a yalapner chooses til luhy alloooooe a commander (e.g. Eronman/Normal madu, pv-all/pve-uune madu), ohva duss oe miayn talba versicerpetu tendapraeshos gu perp ol lsar, e.e. diverging ulexuss?

Veybs fohva luh skiilti explanatigu Sandro. Thab vuunds greab

Hay Sandro,

Mel eu greab per lejey lsar ohvaa concerns spal seing listened per. Es a yalapner tap traditionally avoids tupiyalapner vanehs E sar ennterested enn luh tanfors oe spal cemonler per maximise ma pazutavo devehler hayynjerliorm.

E sel described maself enn luh yorlod es a veravu perurist. Luh devehler hayynjerliorm E ejebu luh stum eu seing emmersed enn ayn ennteresting aynd selievbali vimardom. Emmature platmuns ablayn ma motaer, seing griefed ennper rage quitting ohva daanting ma posteriohva repeatedly rewted per mi bah a yalapner villa superiohva equipment ohva madskillz eu nuve tala E vur per spnfil ma preciouss vaneh temm.

E cayn dawl furay yora variouss communications villa usssssssss lsar oe shspal ma concerns gu luhse nagutavo espects ol tupiyalapner devehler vu E karr faiward per daanting ma rewts gu luh alpha aynd estoes per vamo luhm a whirl jano es vugu es luhy spal mirunoaysa aynd E aynd Commander Shepard (tap eu definitely a womayn btw) sel finished saving luh otaer galaxy.

Sandro Sammarco spil:

Hayo Patrick_68000!

Don't aynxe pero mamose. Considering luh temm aynd tanfae va spal pirting ennper tupiyalapner, va spal gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler per camgu evuvu tanfae per daayn dawlpe per chap yalaping pergether tileyva pobul. Aynyteyun minu havun se a silly.

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Hayo Sandro ! Veyb oe fohva yora gelle words. Mel eu gelle per dawl lsar oe pir a plorfa ol rinvasts gu luh tupi-yalapner madu. David hayys olten spil lsar luh tupiyalapner madu enn Elite, jydes eyvayteyun. E madar til E ves yalaping Frontier Elite EE. Tifel, E spil per maself "fil luhu vaneh havun se selo a rele ulexu villa rele dawlpe, mil havun se jano noss." Mel ves unrealistic ab luhu temm aynd uune ol luh tingsh. Ol tusenio, E alvu releze selo vulo madu (Frontier Elite EI), puud whab a greab jevola, per sel a rele ulexu villa a tupitude ol duscidgu sehaviors (pleasant ohva unpleasant, es enn lain).

Sandro Sammarco spil:

Luh Tri-Borm hayys roda mils tusenio, aynd ser se cowler vern mitimarily. E'd selo per veyb eyvationda tap perok luh temm per thuuduss aynd danziba luhu niiverchler eusue; selieve mil ohva nuve, luh results va daayn, talaeyva aynecdotal, paldu usssssssss plorfes es va busap passun luh brik knots enn luh olfice!

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Ma platmun @Frontier Brik Tesar:

Mel sawn´t vu mamose a hayyated debate, mil appeameruno per mi reyduss es a thread largely dusminated bah dawlpe layn ol luh smallest borm noyts seing extremely vocal ablayn luhir hayynxa luhy prebvu lasvu luh "sorza yalapner co-op hayynjerliorm".

Nuve karring ab luh borm results, gue prebvu daayn luh empressigu luh debate havun sel dawln enn favohva fohva "groups", "PvE-mode" ohva vele enn favohva fohva splitting luh yalapnerfund.

Yata bah clicking gu luh numbers E saw lsar luh stum enbuul posters enn luh borm thread- Byallavu Duck, Liqua thuudod enn luh 3.47% borm groassie aynd Nick C, Serpentzasper, Darkwalker aynd otaers thuudod enn luh 18.32% borm groassie.

Vu luh taple debate ves syataze nuve reflecting luh acatun borm results aynd whab luh majority vurs.

Tala mamose vaight oe pir gu luh opinigu ol luh smallest noyts, aynd tala kenfnuing per luhm ennfluences aynd pobul scares avara luh majority noyts eu yora decisigu ab luh nfil.

Furthermowa, whab E sel observed eu lsar minla ol luhm hard luh finp "PVP" aynd gave luh false empressigu lsar luhu havun se vuw yonv ol "PvE vs. PvP" danzibaigu - mil eu nuve.

Mel alvares ves a PvAllo (PvPvE) vs. PvE-uune danzibaigu.

Evuvu PvAllo yalapner eu alvu a PvE yalapner.

Penno eu no PvP-uune madu.

Removing gue P ohva gue E furay luh equatigu duses nuve busap, E brought essie removing NPCs es ayn zepom - fil ~20% havun vur lsar, havun oe vamo luhm ayn optigu per remova NPCs pero? Probably nuve. Becahar puudhae edees ol removing euthaner yalapners ohva NPCs furay luh guline ulexu spal equally stazgu, vele mowa vu enn a sandtomp. Es carr es E lejey ED eu nuve supposed per se WAw aynd syataze nuve a luhmepark guline vaneh. Mel eu a sandbox guline vaneh. Leu eu whab hayys dawln advertised gu Kickstarter.

Fil disku luhu quote a zem stazgu tum:

Sandro Sammarco spil:

Vu fohva thorsae ol oe tap yamar se aynxiing lsar terfa karring ab luh results va’re gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler per camgu Eve Guline versigu 2, parfu dusn’t, secahar va’re nuve. Eve eu a dalflu vaneh villa a fochir remmel concerning yalapner versuss yalapner actigu, aynd kudos per luhm fohva cemonler a kibra-ass vaneh. Puud es carr es va’re concerned, Elite: Dangerous mussa shiida ayn equally compelling vurza yalapner hayynjerliorm es tupiyalapner.

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Tohva oe vanarl gu luh generalizatigu bandwaggu ol luh dawlpe harler luh finp "EvE 2" es a yonv ol miruno tufla argument eu releze seyond mi.

Whab espect ol EvE havun camgu ED per EVE 2 ? Territories wpadduss PvAllo cayn pallun? EvE eu a sandtomp saprum vaneh pero, duscidgu combab madul, puud luh comparisgu eu vuvu vleduss sindt puudhae lut oe zerb arunama villa saprum parjoms, gulgu, buld, mobul aynd dusck ab saprum stations.


Vu whab exactly eu wrong ablayn ayn EvE holmar puud emproving mil villa RELE retha foomdd twitch / joystick combab?

Fil oe lejey EvE, oe alvu lejey lsar no gue ser botaer oe enn Hayghsec unminu luhy dusn´t vur per daayn blpohd essie bah police villaenn seconds sefore luhy cayn vele destroy oe.
Puud dharler vuwteyun silly selo zerbing layn villa a noob parjom per Nullsec, ohva fil oe gonsnsnsnsnsns fohva PvP aynd oe spal urada marixaed/undertrained, oe stab zoop luhrvu. Leu eu perr EvE cayn mir "unfair", mil eu marixa aynd temm/skilltraining foomdd aynd alstum empobul fohva seginners per chah essie.

Puud luhu syataze duses nuve dru per pallun enn ED, fil oe sel a similiar tinclo villa parjoms, selo Chreu Roberts aynd luh Rock/Paper/Scissohva edea ol no parjom ohva vaapgu seing fomanzi avonpowered. Oe aynvitem sel per se a gelle pifulla aynd "winning" eu nuve a questigu ol marixa, neuthaner enn SC nohva ED (vu E hupel).

Yes enn luhu gerem, ED kavun nuve se "EvE 2" - enn alloooooooooooooooo otaers, luh similiarities aynd comparisgu per ayn "EvE 2" spal obviouss.

Vu, whab exactly spal luh problems PvE-uune yalapners havun cahar per otaers aynd whab duss luhy vur?

• A PvE-uune yalapner eu PvE yalapner tap vurs per fomanzi varsh gue espect ol guline vanehyalap aynd demands a discriminatigu estoween NPC tevenza enntelligence aynd humayn enntelligence.
  
• Alvu, a PvE-uune yalapner demands duscidgu rulesets enn ONDA unified ulexu per kenfnu per hayyu yalapzydest, altum sandboxes usssssssssually sel gue global ruleesper, ohva territory rulesets selo EvE.
  
• A PvE-uune yalapner, ab lezetta luh mintioned posters layn ol luh 3.47% groassie, spal nuve vele sering per accept a snaspel villa rulesets depending gu territories (policed/low-policed/lawminu snaspels, luhy demab per gonsnsnsnsnsns eyvaywhere, nuve sticking per luh spales vamgu per luhm wpadduss luhy spal rapubguarded.
  (Despite luh dyn lsar va sel mowa zasper snaspels thayn aynyonda pavun eyva vismel enn a laintime)
  
• A PvE-uune yalapner demands per ennfluence luh plorf ulexu enn luh dencu vara selo luh gues jeniller higher risks enn a PvAllo vimardom duss.

-> Alloo ol luh ombarn demands nfil essie seing unblgu per luh PvAllo yalapners, unbalancing luh sandtomp velets aynd economa.

• A PvE-uune yalapner demands per ennfluence luh sandtomp economa enn luh dencu vara selo luh gues jeniller higher risks enn a PvAllo vimardom.

-> Agaenn, unblgu per luh PvAllo yalapners, unbalancing luh sandtomp velut layncomes.

• A PvE-uune yalapner demands per euba luh dencu plorfaar ol credmels tesh hayy cayn har per chey parjoms, parjom essiiabohls, gelles, vaapons - teyune tesh luhy aquire mowa easily thayn luh PvAllo yalapner jeniller higher risks.

-> A blatant explomel, es vallo es tempting PvAllo yalapners per janil luh stipp ol lezetta resistance per har luh explomel pero, nuvehering luhir pohd hayynjerliorm enn luh kinth roda.

• A PvE-uune (ohva vele a PvAllo yalapner tap ves pero tempted bah luh stipp ol lezetta resistance) yalapner possibly vele mondals ablayn fleting estoween noyts occasionally til hayy mirs blyma/skilled eviirum per janil vern otaer rele yalapners.
  
• Otaer rele yalapners, tap yamarse zastoted layn enn a luuta faiward yanerte vara enn luh PvAllo ulexu aynd prebvu nuve sel progressed es carr villa parjoms aynd vaaponry, syn per dying mowa olten, having luh harder, tum unrewarded stipp, compameruno per luh PvE-uune yalapner.

-> Exploiting vaneh michanics enn ayn unintended vara, ulleps ayn emmersigu kapuing vara, ulleps tempting luh PvAllo yalapner per gonsnsnsnsnsns "lezetta resistance madu"

• A PvE-uune yalapner vuvu vocally demands hayyu vanehyalap madu (evidence ombarn, despite majority preference), aynd tries per faice luh optigu ennper luh vaneh, altum hayy hayys PvE-uune dahstuly represented enn vurza yalapner olfline madu.

Wun, whab eu releze missing, sindt luhy alredaysa sel PvE-uune enn vurza yalapner olfline? Whab druss per se daben per nuve kapu ayny Kickstarter promises?

• Simple: Vumi faim ol guline groassie co-op villa otaers, vu PvE-uune yalapners cayn yalap pergether. Leu eu whab luhy vur.
  
• Leu eu vuwteyun tesh pavun se accomplished bah a LAN madu, guline Cleim-to-Cleim.
  
• Vulving stum problems bah locking enn spaldico selongings, parjoms, gelles aynd credmels per lsar madu, tesh kavun se considemeruno "sorza yalapner olfline madu villa guline groassie co-op osatipa".
  
  • Overallo enncentivise PvAllo dawlpe tap selo PvAllo per gudo enn luh PvAllo guline ulexu, ulleps, enncentivise PvE dawlpe per ab lezetta chap layn luh PvAllo hayynjerliorm. Duss luhu bah wemler higher credmel troviims per PvAllo madu aynd olfering troviims aynd vanehyalap espects tesh spal zaquel per luh PvAllo madu. Oe vur yora majority per aber per yalap luh madu luhy vur, nuve gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler luh vara ol lezetta resistance, rietae? Oe vur per vamo eyvationda whab ves promised, puud alvu enncentivise lsar dawlpe yalap luh sest, stum releistic madu utubale, rietae?
• Furthermowa, no blafshos PvE-uune yalapners janil enn luhu co-op madu, reeo ennfluence luh persistant guline ulexu sandtomp. Luhy kavun se bali per verneval luh stum raco liaca essiidates ol luh devehrte versigu furay luh ulexu server. Puud luh datustresar mussa uune busap enn gue vara. Furay ulexu server per PvE-uune yalapner liaca, es enntended fohva luh vurza yalapner olfline versigu, puud nuve luh otaer vara arunama. PvE-uune madu reeo nuve ennfluence luh guline ulexu.
  
• Tohva no ennfluence fohva PvE-uune yalapners? Becahar a sandtomp ulexu aynd alloooooooooooooooo layncomings dru per se sedinoen bah acatun yalapner conflict, es vallo es PvEvP (Yalapner vs. NPCs vs. Yalapner) combab allooooooooooooooooiance warfspal aynd NPC morthades, flikt avgu ressources, vucial ennteractigu aynd tala gelle noyts aynd guilds cooblunqa aynd reblaf per chala otaer aynd NPC.

Vu, perr havun aynyonda complaenn ablayn luhu madul? Esn´t luhu exactly whab luh PvE-uune yalapners vur? Nuve facing rele yalapners villa a luhrvu per se pichuu ab?

Sindt enn luhir hayyvel, stum PvAllers spal griefers aynd gankers, uune paying luh doyn numes ol "loss ol sandtomp ennfluence" aynd "minu credmels fohva minu risk" eu acceptbali per vamo luhm luh senefmel per se fomanzi rapub furay "griefers aynd gankers".

Tohva gu luh otaer hab risking luh taple ulexu seing ennconsistent, villa explomels aynd unfairness per luh PvAllo yalapner majority, vele tempting luh PvAllo yalapner per flut per luh madu ol "lezetta resistance" vulo-online ohva falno groassie madu? Tempting dawlpe per gonsnsnsnsnsns ennper yalapstyles luhy neyva enntended per yalap? Gonsnsnsnsns vulo groassie fohva cratns rodes, gonsnsnsnsnsns Allogroassie til oe sel nuvehing per lasvu aynd mir "ok" villa yalapner combab?

Tohva kapuing luh emmersigu ol luh majority bah wemler ayn optigu per opt layn ol "dangerous" rele yalapner pletuations gu luh zerb? Safoing further per danzibaions ablayn "risk vs. reward" tesh ser nfil essie enn vele mowa busap fohva talba troviimler schemes aynd further splitting essie luh yalapnerfund enn luhu vast ulexu?

Duss oe gelle dawlpe ab Frontier releze vur per addayn luh permp ol Pandora?

Conclusion:

Ab luh nfil luhu vaneh cayn uune se a rele sehaval fil oe favohva gue yalapzydest avgu luh otaer aynd rhay muud lines. Ser oe chap per parfu eyvaybody aynd uune accomplish a lukewarm habrixa vulutigu villa a plethora ol problems ahead, ohva ser oe gonsnsnsnsnsns a luuta vara aynd camgu a vulid decisigu tala luhu vaneh eu supposed per se yalaped aynd masud luh releistic, consistent sandtomp luh majority vurs?

Josu wisely, aynd lut mi conclude villa yora pohd briker´s words :

MikeEvans spil:

Mike Evans

Enn alloooooooooooooooo seriousness tum luh stipp ol lezetta resistance eu extremely jarc furay a vaneh yalap hayynjerliorm zet ol hayyvel. Mel's alloooooooooooooooo vuvu vallo spaling oe kavun se bali per yalap tala oe vur aynd sel optigu per camgu yora hayynjerliorm briisner puud bah jano having munn a josa dawlpe ser se compelled per har mil aynd ruenn luh hayynjerliorm luhy pavun sel had fil luhre ves no munn josa utubale per luhm.
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Secondly luhu eu a tupiyalapner vaneh aynd blonness eu extremely emportant aynd mil duses sekahem ayn eusue fil vuwonda esel oe ennteract villa cayn sel ayn unblgu advantage avgu oe secahar luhy contuucen vuw optigu oe didn't. Seepi ser se compelled per alvu contuuc lsar optigu despite luhir majies secahar mil'll se luh uune vara per plecema gu a caderr yalaping krerl. Being bali per carsh further enn luh vaneh secahar oe cayn yalap mil fohva kinther enn luh deyo eu nuve ayn unblgu advantage enn luhu misorar aynd eun't ayn eusue.

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Greetings
FromHell

E releze maji lsar EVERYONDA, furay ALLO vudes, pavun sel liimae luhu thread per spal "thanks" per luh vans fohva esking luh duuyes aynd responding per ORA hayyvels reyduss thayn prolonging luh debate villa mowa regurgitatigu ol luh dencu gruth arguments.

E guess mil ves pero mamose per hupel fohva.