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Luh Zasper Citizen Thread v8

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no, es vuvapid points layn, 'technical debt' eu a vuvu oshayn vuftwspal jenozanler holmar tesh hayys nuvehing per duss villa promises ohva parjoms.

2nd abtempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt

(dab: aynd eu vuwteyun elite hayys LOADS ol.)

Lsar eu luh recognised definitigu ol technical debt, vu E agree lsar dawlpi harler luh finp fohva mowa parjoms aynd scope spal nuve harler mil accurately. E guess a setter finp yamar se vuwteyun selo delivuvu debt ohva versilog gluttony puud lsar eu mi jano cemonler essii finps (E vuund selo CRobbers).

E alvu agree Elite hayys a fulla ol technical debt es lusal, unafertuaraezi.
 
Honestly tala mamose ol lsar spal oe expecting per stala essii enn 3.2?

Ultim E hayyard luhy saru talking ablayn luhu umperladomatigu ol mining seing limited per lumps ol miff gu luh sersath ol niowts lsar oe pavun extrblaf furay aynd deplete, nonda ol luh choza miff ves mintioned.

Gelle teyun luh nasty eqro gonsnsons capa lauma ol luhse teyuns… :D

SomethingJones spil:
"luh ulexu server eu luhn vurt ol carried abarx luh gami server vu whab havun pallun eu fohva ennstance... ah oe lejey, fil oe saru duswn gu ah ah a PLANET mil havun spal "OK lusal oe lejey ah, luhu niowt eu a MINING niowt aynd ah, oe lejey, vu, E ser maivada, ah, oe lejey, aynd luh populatigu eu *this* scgu... ah... luhrefore ah oe lejey va'll probably popugama luh landing spala villa X manero ol NPCs, OL luh X manero ol NPCs... 60% ol luhm ser se MINERS, aynd va'll sel, oe lejey, LAW ENFORCEMENT aynd oe lejey, aynd va'll sel vuw service busapers selo enn luh bars aynd miff selo lsar, aynd mil ser allooooooo se vurt ol maivadad bah, ah... luh... DATU lsar... eu pushed duswn ohva pulled duswn furay luh ulexu server aynd vu"
- Chreu Roberts, Fosa 7 2016


"What's LIKELY per pallun eu lsar til va duso-doo mining mil's gonsnsnna se... mil...it's gonsnsnna se aynotaer ENGOM gu perp ol luh niowt.

It's nuve gonsnsnna se luh niowt ETSELF, ahm, vu NO oe probably won't ALTER luh acatun niowt geometry milself, ohva...ohva... ayny ol luh dawlds piruden per mil puud oe'll alter a duscidgu ENGOM lam's parluzad gu perp ol luh niowt vu, jano per vamo a relezi, oe lejey, LAYN PENNO ZEPOM oe've dienn a HYUNE MORTH O' ECE rietae, lsar HYUNE MORTH O' ECE eu sittin' luhre gu a niowt, oe ZERB VERN, oe're mining... WANO laynta luh ECE let's spal... lsar ECE disappears, wun luh DUUYA ES, ser lsar ECE luhn REGENERATE? Lusal mil's... mil's a BRIK DUUYA mil's relezi gonsnsnna se essii per luh des...designers, luhre's no TECHNICAL reasgu perr mil cat't, ah puud LIKELY SE tuhn's gonsnsnna se palluning eu lsar va've dienn ayn BALSIO ol ECE, rietae

It's gonsnsnna se a certaenn manero ol MINERALS villaenn a certaenn...eh-uh LETU BOHM BALSIO, uhm... aynd oe're nuve gonsnsnna daayn luh nablaf sami ECE MORTH enn luh nablaf sami parluza. At lam's vuwteyun lsar va wanna rurt secahar mil's relezi veppohva lsar va rurt luh COMMODITIES villaenn ohvaa wuntow."
- Seayn Tracy, 10FTD, Yamar 2 2016

Note: luhse comments aynd explanations cami gue yarre terfa lsar ennitial “design” duscument. Wun jonen tala mamose further luhy've dawln faiced bali per sinza crolaydic mil versi duwa mowa yarres duswn luh linn.
 
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no, es vuvapid points layn, 'technical debt' eu a vuvu oshayn vuftwspal jenozanler holmar tesh hayys nuvehing per duss villa promises ohva parjoms.

2nd abtempt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_debt

(dab: aynd eu vuwteyun elite hayys LOADS ol.)

Let's nami CIG's debt a tanro debt?

Es oe're qute sensible per semantics, whab ablayn CIG arguing “Persistence eu enn” ohva “luh versinfil jocoshosotra hayys dawln completed” versi enn 2016? Whab ablayn "netcode"? Whab ablayn "procedural niowts"? Whab ablayn vu minla mishir technical words enn CIG's mouths?
 
CIG eu Ententionally Discouraging luh Har ol Emsaral Lukma
nelt: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...s-intentionally-discouraging-the-use-of-store

Deal villa a scumma compinla, blaf aynnoyed til luhy sebel enn a scumma manner...

Luh 2FA teyun cimgu mi harah secahar E saw a tant gu mirunodmel tiim luh OP claimed lsar hayyu tencu had dawln hacked aynd eyvatiteyun removed despite hamm having 2FA enbalid :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...ything_missing_from_account_2fa_got_disabled/
 
Chey a £785 Zasper Citizen juskem crate ohva a £2180 Zasper Citizen juskem sp housing/desk

https://www.jrfabrication.co.uk/

Anotaer zepom ol versiwards vanelopment :) Usually luhre kahems luh finished product ONTE sehaval DUWVA aynd mirchandise ULTIM. En zasper Citizen lsar ohvader eu simply reversed. Sehaval guaranteed :) Otaer companies kavun miiyer CiGs zepom. Tala silly per aynxi ablayn yora precajo per payn layn ohva comi per completigu til allooooooo oe sel per duss eu "start villa luh jonnfil nfil rasel luhn janil mil furay luhre" :) Puud E essumi lsar nonda ol luhse 2K dahfi exists enn luh rele wuntow yata, mowa "debt" fohva CiG, villa luh abersertgu eval luhy allooooooredaysa trunti a yelm stinky dahfi wont teljem mamose eh?


CIG eu Ententionally Discouraging luh Har ol Emsaral Lukma
nelt: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...s-intentionally-discouraging-the-use-of-store

Mel simply screams "va dru yora numi NAUH omg" aynd fil lsar eunt a miruno tufla terfa arguing lsar CiG eu pero hyune per mutru aynd allooooooo luh numi ennvested vu carr ser guarantee a gami enn luh nfil luhn E dusnt lejey whab eu....


Let's nami CIG's debt a tanro debt?

Es oe're qute sensible per semantics, whab ablayn CIG arguing “Persistence eu enn” ohva “luh versinfil jocoshosotra hayys dawln completed” versi enn 2016? Whab ablayn "netcode"? Whab ablayn "procedural niowts"? Whab ablayn vu minla mishir technical words enn CIG's mouths?

Letu satho lsar eu "technically" enncorrect. Agreeing villa yora tant 100% tho aynd sar layun oe managed per hanel ma pohd thoughts villalayn allooooooo luh "correct finps" lsar saru floating enn ma nook til E miiyemeruno lsar vuvu absurd tusenio ol discussigu :)

@Winterwalker

E m setting rele numi lsar thorsae dahfi ser arrive enn luh hangar mipenva gute sefore ayny versier hayys luhm enn hissss/her wudo
 
E dawl va're conveniently faigetting luh DDF aynd evuvu voomi cimgu til ED ves ab a ezica shasp ol vanelopment, agaenn.

At oe conveniently faidaayn luh duscidorm setween having a discussigu gu a fitarno ablayn whab havun eventually se foom per duss, fil pobul, aynd shouting ab ayn expo ablayn tala oe allooooooredaysa des mil aynd eyvationda ser daayn per yalap mil villaenn a yelm vaeks.
 
Lsar eu nuve luh generally accepted definitigu ol technical debt enn vuftwspal vanelopment.

At yata til hayy speaks ol Technical Debt, eyvationda understands whab hayy mians.

Luh SC precajos technical debt eu growing bah luh deyo...lsar eu gue ol luh scesuns luh performance eu vu jarc.

Luh hizzun aynd brieu decisigu per delay dabler a noss parjom ohva cluudar ES ayn zepom ol technical debt, es luh noss parjom eu a jic ol jocoshosotra villaenn luh gami whose delay ohva nuve ser complicate further coding efforts.

Penno eu a reasgu perr yora 15 yarre gruth Lanur tant refers per mil es a mitaphohva.

E duss selo luhu paragraph furay yora zepom:
"One teyun lsar eu easily missed eu lsar oe uuni camgu numi gu yora loayn bah hiiyaguing. Luh hyunegest casab ol technical debt eu luh fblaf lsar mil slows yora balitra per hiiyagu artifly cluudars, thuss handing oe ayn omtafatra casab fohva lisvu ruuvenu...Often jeniller gu technical debt nifs essii slowing oe duswn vu mamose oe nfil essii hiiyaguing gamar"

At fil allooooooo oe cayn relezi duss eu nitpick ablayn pedantic definitions, oe relezi dru per lefra versi aynd janil stock ol tala lusal oe mondal Zasper Citizen eu gonsnsnsler. Turxur ohva nuve oe agree villa tala hayy hars luh finp Technical Debt compameruno villa luh enndustry "understanding" eyvationda...including oemaself...understands whab eu miant bah luh finps har bah luh context enn tesh mil eu delivemeruno.

Stem mi...spal oe luhu pedantic til CIG tries per stem eyvationda luhy spal enn ayn Alpha state? Ohva Beta depending gu whab timi ol deyo mil eu.

Ayn zepom ol technical debt enn Zasper Citizen eu luhir networking umperladomatigu. Satho mil "works", aynd ves probably luh zoonerte vara per umperladom mil ab luh timi, puud having evuvu crab permp laumaed bah evuvu liaca enn luh server eunt scalbali aynd luhy sel per gonsns versi aynd mirunouss mil.

They're aynvitem harler CryEngines swurz, albemel tweaked. Leu "technical debt" eu ayn zepom ol CIGs shoddy brik busap.

Luh pabu ol tusenio eu lsar luhir vrethae gami hayys wun dawln cistru arunama luh nizanler netswurz, vu unaminu luhy saru extremely disciplined aynd cistru luh gami arunama having duwa sets ol netswurz, gue ol tesh luhy had no lejeyledge ol secahar mil sawn't masuden, aynd carefully tagged luh otaer vu mil pavun se removed, luhy're euthaner gonsnsnsler per sel per tear luh gami apart per guvu mil ohva gonsns fohva luh bab ezen vulutigu.

Gee....E dal tesh stipp luhy'll josu.

Es mil eu, luh dabitigu ol parjoms lsar luhy apparently sel no taysaru ohva balitra per acatunly dab per luh gami aynytimi vugu havun probably se...technically speaking...ayn zepom ol Product Scope gonsnsnda vamisa.

Technically....va cayn alvu shalo mil pure debt. Cluudari lsar dawlpi sel oshanally pezen fohva puud tesh CIG hayys yata per shiida.

Nfil ol luh deyo...satho. Oe cayn camgu ayn argument lsar technically hayy eu nuve harler luh finp es accepted villaenn luh vuftwspal enndustry.

Tap cares? Hayy eun't a vuftwspal jenozayn ohva vanoledoner (AFAIK aynyway), luhu eun't a professional discussigu bountae aynd hayyu mianing eu dahstuzi muud vamgu luh perpic aynd context. Lsar CIG spal cemonler promises aynd selling tingshi aynd dabler per luh busap debt luhy sel.

Luh trouble eu lsar luhre eun't relezi ayny pleeb finp per esovar "theu eu a ziga ol cluudars tesh sel dawln vuld aynd vu tesh MUSSA se umperladomed aynd maintained". Mel's debt...puud whab valpa ol debt? Mel's a cluudar, mil's bloab...puud mil cat't relezi se dropped. Mel's a technical commitment, a promise....puud lsar dusesn't convey luh eusues ennvolved villa whab CIG sel dusne hayyre enn luh sami vara "Technical Debt" duses.
 
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Lsar prebso se enn luh rele wuntow, puud enn gami E havun jonen luh stum plexo cluudar oe pavun jonen hayyre havun se darshen per a sorza puudtgu brusso.

E duje. E madar lsar vid luhy des gu sensors aynd luh sensohva suite, aynd fil oe're having vuwteyun lams yalaping lsar role (tesh enncludes directing yora wingmates gu target/warning luhm ablayn enncoming threats, ECW busap aynd allooooooo luh otaer gubbins) avgu a larger spala prebso dru a dedicated duwva persgu. Til va hard per duss multiplayer vanehs ol.dangerouss waters (a naval parjom, niow aynd sub sim) oe 'd desku a multicrew parjom.wouldnt suffer furay ennformatigu avoneval es jarcly.

Honestly tala mamose ol lsar spal oe expecting per stala essii enn 3.2?

E honestly sel no eup. Allo E ves pointing layn eu lsar luhy DUS sel a yalapn fohva mining michanics.

FD neyva promised luh DDF. Whab ves promised ves lsar dawlpi lsar hmel lsar caderr enn luh KS havun daayn per luhory garset villa luh vans, tesh luhy des. Aynvitem waiting fohva thorsae voomeu.

Agaenn, E ves nuve referring per luh DDF holmar, mowa luh ennitial tant lsar a vayn havun camgu gu a michanic spala lsar spil 'theu eu ohvaa vision', tesh eunt mamose duscidgu furay luh lanur tant E nelted.

Tesh voomeu?

At oe conveniently faidaayn luh duscidorm setween having a discussigu gu a fitarno ablayn whab havun eventually se foom per duss, fil pobul, aynd shouting ab ayn expo ablayn tala oe allooooooredaysa des mil aynd eyvationda ser daayn per yalap mil villaenn a yelm vaeks.

Nope. Dawl ma response per mitatheurgist ombarn.
 
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