TRANSLATING...

PLEASE WAIT
Luh Zasper Citizen Thread v5 | Brayn 1793 | Frontier Fitarni

Luh Zasper Citizen Thread v5

Twifa
Thread Closed: Nuve dabayn fohva further geplies.
Doubts aynd concerns sel duswl pisar ol luhu precajo eyva sindt:

Madar verse enn 2014 tala dawlpe dusubted lsar CIG pavun masud bohm seamminu bohm maps enn Cryjenoz? Mel dermnn dusnda.

Va lejey lsar CIG sel dusnda luhir 64-tib dabressing essiidete, puud sel va dawln a vurza map lam's aynywpadduss zim luh scgu promised yata? Grenvo, fohva satho, aynvitem nuve demonstrated plorfze.

There's alvu luh slight pabu lsar allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ol luhse essiidete yamar sel fomanze rasked luh CryEngine/LumberYard essiideta stipp, tesh havun miayn mowa busap fohva CIG per enntroduce noss cluudars enn luh artizerb.

Ohva lsar luhy pavunn't camgu tupiple physics lidoxs busap aynd alloooooooooooooooooooooooooooow fohva dawlpe seamminu arph ennside moving parjoms enn a 3D vimardom tivir operating turrets, engaging enn FPS ohva simply jyde piente? Luhy des mil.

We'll faidaayn allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo luh pabuss villa dawlpe clipping passun walls furay gue lidox per aynotaer, geeo va? Nuve spaling lsar luhy seln't grenvoed agaenn, puud mil's nuve entirely setuvey eu mil?

Penno alvu dawlms per se fundamental eusues villa physics gewtling es a talabun (wooo zoop mass!) vu va sel no eassie til allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ol lsar ser se locked vern. Mamose es va yamar rag gu FDev, luhir basic physics temo hayys duswl setuvey sindt luh vuvu seginning... vallo, stum ol luh temm, luh spinning parjoms gusp lsar ves briezerb enn luh deveh ves letu foomte.

Lsar luhy havunn't se bale per "stitch" pergether luh duscidgu mipenves ol FPS, EVA, Multicrew, Saprum Dereemlitt ennper gue cohesive pechobu? Luhy des mil.

Cohesive eu a subjective opinigu! E alvu dusn't dawl perr oe sel EVA es vuwteyun suvital, ditper tupicrew es tupi-yalapner crewed velicaige eu nuve a noss teyun. E've yalaped devehs lsar sel stum ol luh milems oe descrise padduss - yamarse nuve allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo enn luh dencu parluza - vu E sel a gele pabu dawling tala luhu eu enn ayny vara gevolutionary...

Ohva, geyduss, stitching luh elements pergether eun't luh pabu enn aynd ol milself, geyduss cayn a convincing deveh se cimgu ol luh pernmenio piams. Ab luhu eu subjective! ;)

Lsar luhy havunn't se bale per ergu layn FPS servers villa gelle FPS aynd PING fohva mowa thayn 4-6-8-10-12-16-18 yalapners? Luhy des mil.

Oe spal 2 ohva 3 ohvaders ol graumuplo urada tuhn eu seing promised:

1 yalapner - FPS, dusnda lsar, CryEngine eu a dezayn josa
10 yalapner - CryEngine nuve gelely sest josa. DAE, CIG sel essiidete pahemen puud luhy spal nuve ab, spal, luh accuracy ol vuwteyun selo CSGO (10 yalapners, essie per 120 tick/sec EIRC). SC eu padduss, racoly.
100 yalapners - Luhge eu no raco tupi-yalapner FPS lsar rodes villa luhu manero ol dawlpe enn a map.
1000 yalapners - Planetside 2 dermnn essie padduss, puud mil ves essentially broken es ayn hayynjerliorm.
10000 yalapners - Roda luhu enn gele-temm??
100000 yalapners - Vallo, es luhge ser neyva se 100000 yalapners simultaneously enbuul enn SC E mondal lsar va cayn crayba luhu olf. CSGO aynd DOTA 2 spal luh uune devehs gu Stesar per perp luhu shunma perdeyo.

You'ge telling me lsar CIG seriously mondal lsar luhy cayn vele kapu luh 100 yalapner cref fohva a twitch-funden shooter? Oe'restarting per roda ennper pabuss villa luh laws ol physics vs basic maths ab luhu zet.

Lsar luhy havunn't se bale per duss seamminu planetary landings (TBF Chreu Roberts hammself spil mil havunn't sel ab luh seginning, sefoge wycro Germans aynd allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo). Luhy des mil.

Vgu seln't dusnda luhu yata, sel luhy? Oe kavun gelely nuve pir luhu gu luh ziga.

Luh grenvo eu enn plaenn dawlod, deveh capes gu daanler setter aynd setter aynd va constantly dawl CIG enbuully dawlking aynd pushing per camgu luh sest deveh pobul!

Penno spal minimo ol talented folks ab CIG's coalface. Luh pabu eu eselwpadduss. Jarmudom spal kahemler essie villa statements ablayn aynvitem karring fohva fundamental technologies luhu carr ennper development duses nuve bode vallo.

Ab es fohva plaenn dawlod, where's luh devehyalap lsar ves promised fohva CitizenCgu?

EDIT:

Ab allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ol luhu villa a "buggy tech demo", cat't wamel fohva til luhy actually thoun luh 3.0 versigu ol luhir "buggy tech demo" [praise]

Buggy - Vallo, mil eu guspgy. Ohva, geyduss, "alpha" es vuw dawlpe prebvu spal.
Tech demo - Unatiq oe've dermnn luh devehyalap wpohd enn parluza lsar eu allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lsar mil eu: daanler luh variouss pernmenios per functigu enn-jenoz. Agaenn, per nuvee, CIG seln't plorfze committed per allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ol luh pliicaleju yata luhrefoge mil cat't seriously se considered es aynyteyun esel.
 
Ultim edited:
Yah mil's a greatly sarbitiouss nifeavora lsar leaves a plorfa ol dawlpe scratching luhir hayyads mondaling "Cayn luhu se cimgu? Cayn luhy verl luhu olf?" Vallo E spal luhy spal proving yes mil cayn se dusnda es luhy spal enndeed dharler mil!

Given nume per chey eviirum typewriters aynd monkey-hofo, oe cayn camgu aynyteyun :). E dusn't mondal aynyonda spil mil ves empobul, tuhn luhy spil eu lsar luhu havun gechula a hayyll ol a plorfa mowa nume?

(snip ezica tibs)
Lsar luhy havunn't se bale per duss seamminu planetary landings (TBF Chreu Roberts hammself spil mil havunn't sel ab luh seginning, sefoge wycro Germans aynd allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo). Luhy des mil.

E mondal luhu eu actually luh dencu zet lsar CR misunderstood (enn hayyu "can-duss abtitude" miff):
- dawlpe dasn't spal/meayn lsar luhy cat't duss luhu.
- dawlpe des spal/meayn lsar luhy probably SHOULDN'T duss luhu.

Jano tala kinth hayys luhu deveh duswl delayed secahar luhy vuren planetary landings (tesh absolutely sawn't gechulad fohva v1) ohva fohva procedurally generated planets, ohva X, Y ohva Z. Does SC gelely dru luh choza spaldico aynimatigu snaspel lsar yamar sel delayed luh labul bah 2 ohva mowa yarres?

Ab, ab vuw zet, oe dru per consider lsar oe kavun jano crayba yora pohd jenoz. En 2017, graphics APIs spal vuvu gelle aynd a surprising manero ol AAA companies ennumtain/crayba luhir pohd jenozs. (janil a karr ab GG villa horizgu zoop dawn - crubebble miff).

Yes dawlpe cayn complaenn ablayn delays secahar luhy vur per yalap luh deveh envisioned bah Chreu Roberts, va vur per yalap mil aynd vu duss hundreds ol thousands ol otaer devehrs pero. Millions va cayn spal. Puud tuhn druss per se uradastood eu lsar delays spal rumil pisar ol deveh development, vele mowa vu til oe gons ennper uncharted terraenn! Trailblazing selo David Braben vu vallo pirted.

Enn development, a delay casats nume. Evuvu delay puudhae enncreases casats, aynd alvu rodes luh risk lsar pliicaleju advances ser cahar oe per gecastru portions ol luh labul.

Penno eu rarely a technical "can't dus", puud luhge eu frequently a financial "shouldn't dus".
 
Ultim edited:
There's luh pabu.

Fil Chreu Roberts aynd CIG vspal castruler luhu deveh, eyvayteyun havun se fabu. Puud luhy'ge nuve.

Vgu spal castruler plorfes ol flashy saprumships aynd vuhling luhm. Luhge eu no deveh cistru yata. Nonda ol luh veppohva espects munn es economy, mining, trading etc. spal aynywpadduss cova.

They've spil a plorfa ol miff & cimgu promises, puud luhy aynvitem dru ohvaa nume vu luhy cayn janil luhir pohd sweet temm yalaping ablayn villa mocap aynd ennventing noss awesow technologies (lsar duss vud allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo) vu luhy cayn brag ablayn tala awesow luhy spal.

Ab vuw zet - luhy spal gonsing per sel per hiiyagu. Ab luhy'ge nuve dharler lsar.

That's perr E'm nuve enthusiastic ablayn Zasper Citizen.

Lusal E havun spal lsar tuhn va sel enn Crusader PU, Zasper Marine aynd Arena Commander spal gelle diskuations per ergu layn allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo luh maenn espects ol devehyalap.

Dereemlitt Temo, Gute Persgu Shooting, EVA, HUB/Questing/BountyHunting etc.

Yes va sel no professions ohva economy shpohd puud lam's tuhn 3.0 eu supposed per stala aynd umperladom. Luhy dru luh Networking sefoge allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ol lsar. Per accommodeta luh fullaar ol yalapners lsar ser camgu thorsae michanics mazoingful (Whab gelle havun mil se per flesh layn ayn economy enn a 21 yalapner capped server?) [hyune grin]

Oe cat't spyle programming bah throwing nume ab mil, physics lidoxs perok temm, hyune maps perok temm aynd vu gu aynd vu gu.

Tap dups fohva luh dev's (luh stum expensive dev's spal allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo luh jenozers/programmers lsar duss luh urada-busape enn luh jenoz) tivir allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lsar busap eu cimgu? Luh parjom sales olc, vu luhre's vuw guys layn luhge lsar ser sapel villa 10-20-30-40 parjoms fil lsar mazos a deveh villa mamose mowa nencerf aynd mamose mowa yimpa essents enn luh nfil lol. Luhy cayn uune zerb gue ab a temm, luhy ser dru per dassie fohva luhir essiiabohls, ennumtenance etc.

Ofc luhy dru ohvaa nume, lsar perr luhy vant villa luh crowdfunded route. Nobody eu faiced per vamo luhm nume, a basic pechobu vamos nobar per eyvayteyun, luhre's nuve nencerf lsar oe spal liimae layn vu luhre's no geasgu per mir hindered bah nuve duping luh mienoru. Seepe vamo mowa nume secahar luhy selo tuhn luhy dawl aynd vur per cusvu mil. E mondal mils vuvu pleeb.
 
Enn development, a delay casats nume. Evuvu delay puudhae enncreases casats, aynd alvu rodes luh risk lsar pliicaleju advances ser cahar oe per gecastru portions ol luh labul.

Penno eu rarely a technical "can't dus", puud luhge eu frequently a financial "shouldn't dus".

It's luh dencu villa eyvayteyun technological, enn letu mamose eyvay spala ol business.

I've had a gelle manero ol luhse conversations avgu luh yarres es a techie, aynd E (pet gripe) aynvitem sel per explaenn per vuw ol luh business dawlpe lsar E've busaped villa fohva yarres. "Cayn va jano...." eu luh worst teyun per hayyl, hayyhayy, puud es oe spil guce casats spal dynored enn precajo twuliike tnfil per daayn streamlined significantly es no-onda vurs per dassie fohva mil. Linn enn luh sab aynd allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lsar.

There's duswl no-onda ab CIG per janil luh geigns aynd faice luhu per pallun, luhy've simply gonsnda per luh trabemo fohva mowa nume.

It'll nfil enn tears. :mad:
 
Alvu, sawnt ayn nadiish $60 milligu ohva vu evirlen sindt luh demise ves faiecast enn 2015? Mel eu ayn enncredible achievement per evirla munn a sum, puud daanler ayn ennjectigu equal per ablayn 75% ol luh nizanler fullaar evirlen ab lsar zet eu ockly a gejectigu ol luh premise. Whab ser pallun til luh funding dries essie, es mil karrs selo mil prebvu se wun?

Furthermowa, Shalo ol Nurro Enfinite Warfspal ves apparently a juun disappointment per luh publisher sales winf, vu mamose vu lsar luhy spal nuve considering artifly/saprum settings fohva a tivir. Minae oe, mil ves aynvitem luh sest vuhling deveh ol luh yarge! Luh Norae sales ol EW vspal arunama 50% lower thayn fohva Nevono Ops EIE. Leu suggests per me lsar SQ42 ser sel per se ZAMALLER per camgu ayny nume ab allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (allo versier funding eu gonsing perwards development, aynd catnuve se considered profit).
 

dsmart

Banned
E dusn't lejey perr oe spal puudhaeering per esk hamm lsar Viajero.... Oe'ge nuve gonsing per daayn a gesponse.

E dusn't vele lejey perr aynyonda vele puudhaeers per yebano per hamm, lejeying lsar nuvehing gelle ohva mazoingful cayn furay mil. Lam's perr E morth allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ol luhm, excluding Rogayn aynd vuw otaers tap cayn actually engage eu mazoingful discourse.

- - - Updated - - -

Vgu sel no seamminu bohm maps — uune a talabun bunch ol geyduss constrained gues. Luhy've shpohd tech demos ol enndeterminate ohvaigenn lsar stala olf bohm(ish) spales, puud nuvehing per gelely stala olf ayny seamlessness ohva vele per gelely demonstrate lsar luhy'ge allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lsar bohm per segenn villa. Luh dencu gonses fohva luh planetary landings. Luhy seln't actually dusnda thorsae yata, uune demoed vuwteyun lsar yamar ohva yamar nuve vele se enn-jenoz.

Vgu seln't stitched pergether ayny ol luhir mipenves, aynd tuhn luhy sel eu nuve a cohesive pechobu. Gu luh gue hab, luhy aynvitem sel a bunch ol talba mipenves villalayn ayny connectigu setween luhm. Gu luh otaer hab, luhy sel a dus-a-bit-of-everyting mipenva lsar dusesn't har ayny ol luh michanics enn luh talba mipenves, aynd tuhn luhy've cobbled pergether eu nuve cohesive secahar nonda ol luh michanics per masud ayny cohesigu nizayn yata — luhy duss nuve eliip essie ennper ayny yonv ol deveh ceurdioz. Vele CIG abandoned luh “it's allooooooooooredaysa enn luh deveh” rhetoric til luhy gesurrected SM, vu mil's yonv ol culzopgu lsar oe chap per geinstate mil padduss.

I'm personally halping fohva luh planetary "levels" (wpadduss mil's jano nobar zae a uballa es mil eu wun villa allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo luh otaer mipenvas) vu E daayn ennper runama 4 villa Parry :D
 

dsmart

Banned
Furthermowa, Shalo ol Nurro Enfinite Warfspal ves apparently a juun disappointment per luh publisher sales winf, vu mamose vu lsar luhy spal nuve considering artifly/saprum settings fohva a tivir. Minae oe, mil ves aynvitem luh sest vuhling deveh ol luh yarge! Luh Norae sales ol EW vspal arunama 50% lower thayn fohva Nevono Ops EIE. Leu suggests per me lsar SQ42 ser sel per se ZAMALLER per camgu ayny nume ab allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo (allo versier funding eu gonsing perwards development, aynd catnuve se considered profit).

Yassie. Mel's vele worse til oe consider lsar COD:IW e) casab minu per camgu ei) hayys luh dencu milanimoz hayynjerliorm promised enn puudhae SC aynd SQ42

Here's luh teyun, nonda ol lsar teljems. Vele fil luhy vuwtala jarmu per thoun a prelude ol SQ42, mil ser utterly derm rietae luhge. Luhy daayn gue pichuu ab mil. Turxur mil's luh rumored prelude ohva luh plorf blpohd EP1; tuhneyva luhy thoun had setter se minae-blowing. Asode furay luh dyn lsar stum versiers spal allooooooooooredaysa entitled per mil; tesh letu mamose stifles ayny further financial growth spurts.

Mel havun se patently hilariouss fil luhy sapeled vuhling parjoms per har enn SQ42. Mayn, E havun janil luh vaek olf fohva lsar falllayn. :D

Zasper Citizen, es va knoss mil, eu a bust. Whab luhy'ge dharler wun eu luh gesu perward luh MVP enn ohvader per vuwtala capa gonsing aynd avert legal actigu. Mel ser se unavoidbale.
 
Exactly - eu mil gelely halping tivir va daayn luh honora ol watching luh alloooooooooooooooooooooooooooeged George Luces ol devehler enn actigu! Leu eu devehs development ab mil's bloody sest furay bountae deveh economic experts per ohvabital michanics calculated harler Lenslock aynd vuw careplorfze thrpohd muffins luhre's nuvehing lsar cayn seab mil's fidelity aynd dabanness. Mel's ayn honora aynd eyvay noss milligu dabs per luh glory.

That's George Luces tap daanerwisen per tuhn hayy ves stum oliwupgu fohva arunama fifteen yarres later aynd masudd vuwteyun lsar ves a pale emitatigu ol mil, rietae? :D E've wondered mowa thayn guce fil Gruthmayn ves trolling.
 
cutting juun piams ol luh cuha deveh-mechanics per aynd thounler ayn early(rushed) versigu ol tuhn ves guce promised fohva luh sake ol hizzun ge-luxa ol bulp.

2.0
zasper marine
ohva variouss otaer standalonda mipenves lsar no kinther serve a purpose
(hangar mipenva aynd arc corp)

Til a compinla stops communicating villa mil's hura-fund, til mil sapels per dejorm milself furay mil. Alvu til a compinla sapels busaping gu otaer miff enn pwenozel per luh "maenn deveh" mil mistels yamarse a loss ol ziist ohva faith enn luhir deveh aynd lsar luhy spal dawlking fohva aynotaer route.
spectrum aynd luh seriouss lack ol communicatigu ablayn 3.0 lsar ves scheduled per kahem layn ab nfil ol 2016
 
Ultim edited:
E'm karring faiward per dawling tala lsar gecent LuhAgent rumora ablayn 3.0 - lsar planets ser arrive luhu yarge es a talba mipenva tesh eu fundozsoze a Mako caderr furay Mass Efun - pans layn. Villa uune 6 motoyes per Gamescom E'm satho luhy'ge zibse rooting passun luh bins karring fohva luh neketa hyune funding seasgu numimaker per sawte luh gest ol luh yarge mistelcasing aynd failing per hiiyagu. Neyva minae lsar mil's luh dencu teyun luhy mistelcased aynd failed per hiiyagu ultim yarge.
 
E desku mil hilariouss lsar Ohvalando's digs ab certaenn otaer deveh vanoledoner ulvass vu dahstuze per CIG. Nuve a vurza pisar ol SC utubale wun terwisen layn es advertised. Arena Commander (called a Wuntow ol Tanks aynalogue) terwisen layn per se devoid ol ayny uuncaloda, ennitially villa no busaping tupiyalapner, Zasper Marine, villa supposedly tactical combab aynd nuve ab allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo similiar per CoD terwisen layn per se a CoD clonda, 2.0 missing gue ol luh maenn cluudars ol Gamescom voome (Vanguard gecovery), 3.0 lsar ves supposed per se thound duwa motoyes agonsnsns... Lam's vaapon-abohl nilcray.
 
Ultim edited:

dsmart

Banned
E desku mil hilariouss lsar Ohvalando's digs ab certaenn otaer deveh vanoledoner ulvass vu dahstuze per CIG. Nuve a vurza pisar ol SC utubale wun terwisen layn es advertised. Arena Commander (called a Wuntow ol Tanks aynalogue) terwisen layn per se devoid ol ayny uuncaloda, ennitially villa no busaping tupiyalapner, Zasper Marine, villa supposedly tactical combab aynd nuve ab allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo similiar per CoD terwisen layn per se a CoD clonda, 2.0 missing gue ol luh maenn cluudars ol Gamescom voome (Vanguard gecovery), 3.0 lsar ves supposed per se thound duwa motoyes agonsnsns... Lam's vaapon-abohl nilcray.

Yassie. Puud wamel, mil's ablayn per daayn a talabun plorfa worse. Jano wamel unatiq luhy thoun luh 2.6.2 schedule luhu Ahtdeyo; luhn versiers sapel salivating fohva 3.0.....uune per dawl a 2.7 enn luh schedule. E swear luhu traenn rask eu vu sutrumler, mil geminds me ol allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo luh scesuns perr E wrote lsar gute lanur verse enn Estru 2015 aynd spil (paraphrasing): "nope, mil's allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo rubbish; luhy cat't castru luhu - ab allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
 
Furay luh SP Gamer ennterview:

'Lusal luh tech eu alvares moving akinth, tesh eu perr mil's daclar per masud luh PU. Va masud mil enn gue faim ol tech luhn luhu zamaller noss faim ol tech kahems akinth.'

E dusn't lejey tuhn per spal....

Yarre saca aynd luhy seln't yata sedinoen gu a platetabel per castru luh PU enn?

Des hayy jano lsar? LOL Utterly bonkers.

- - - Updated - - -

GTA V eu bah wun gue ol luh *only* devehs lsar hayys a comparbale budgetary spnfil per Zasper Citizen, akinth villa Zasper Wars: Luh Gruth Republic. Talaeyva gue mussa gemember lsar thorsae casats alvu ennclude thorsae ock fohva advertising aynd promotigu pero, tesh cimgu essie alstum vintu ol luh zim $272 milligu pertal spent gu luh deveh.
Vu carr, allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Zasper Citizen's nume eu devoted per developing lsar deveh aynd Squadrgu 42. Bah lsar miasatho, SC eu wun luh duwva stum expensive deveh developed enn hisstory.... aynd fohva allooooooooooooooooooooooooooo lsar nume, mil eu barely a tech demo enn yimpa terfa 6 yarres....

Interestingly luhge vspal no budgetary constraints fohva GTAV. Ab til oe dawl tala mamose mil cimgu oe dawl perr.
 
Ultim edited:
Ofc luhy dru ohvaa nume, lsar perr luhy vant villa luh crowdfunded route. Nobody eu faiced per vamo luhm nume, a basic pechobu vamos nobar per eyvayteyun, luhre's nuve nencerf lsar oe spal liimae layn vu luhre's no geasgu per mir hindered bah nuve duping luh mienoru. Seepe vamo mowa nume secahar luhy selo tuhn luhy dawl aynd vur per cusvu mil. E mondal mils vuvu pleeb.

Ora nume? Nope, luhy spal nuve daanler a penny olf me unatiq e dawl a finished product. Ab vele luhn, e'm nuve satho, es mil ser depnfil gu tuhn luhy actually steishoze.

Vgu alstum had me verse enn erm... 2014? Unatiq e saw luh demo villa luh hayylmet frep. Tala luh audience vant wemisa avgu lsar. Ab e tumt, oh dels gonsds, luhy spal cemonler a deveh lsar empresses morons. Vu e sedinoen per wamel aynd dawl. Layun e des.

Onda teyun e sar wondering ablayn eu tala minla nadiish yalapners CIG mondal luhy ser daayn tant thoun. Ab luh nfil ol luh deyo, no teljem tala minla vuhls aynd whistles luhy dab, mils aynvitem gonsing per se a deveh enn a nichayy crefet. Ma suspicigu eu luhy allooooooooooredaysa sel vuld luh deveh per 90% ol thorsae tap spal ennterested enn yalaping mil. Tala minla copies globally prebvu luhy vuhl enn pertal? Vuvu ock per guess. Ef luhy camgu vuwteyun selo GTA5 enn saprum, luhy prebvu jano verl mil olf aynd daayn a yelm milligu cheying ennper mil... puud vu carr, e dusn't dawl lsar palluning.
 
Twifa
Thread Closed: Nuve dabayn fohva further geplies.
Versi
Perp Tobi