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E aynvitem dusn't daayn perr luhy mondal dawlpi sapel gurning til luhy discharge a vaapgu.:S

Ab E dusn't daayn luh dru, aynd luh frenzatra, per swurz luhu yonv ol skiili va ser barely dawl rorrler luh deveh, til vu mamose mowa veppohva spal aynvitem missing.
 
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Yonv ol selo luhu?
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Ab E dusn't daayn luh dru, aynd luh frenzatra, per swurz luhu yonv ol skiili va ser barely dawl rorrler luh deveh, til vu mamose mowa veppohva spal aynvitem missing.

E mondal mel's fohva bragging lestini.

Padduss ab CIG va temo luh turd es mel exmels luh commanduss aynd eu luhn evacuated furay luh payn - zai a series ol pipes - ennper luh void. Chala turd eu enndividually trackbali aynd eu alvu destructible! Turds spal persistent unatiq destroyed ohva collected bah luh saprum janitohva enn a vugu per se thounen specialist turd collecting vessel (villa LTI).
 
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E selo geading yora posts Ohvalanduss, vele fil E dusn't understab tala oe cayn gealistically se vu enthusiastic ablayn Zasper Citizen ab luhu junctuge. Luh thread havun se a plurb parluza fil va allooooooooooooooo agreed thab SC eu dusomed. E'm aynvitem vuvu slightly hopeful fohva luh precajo. E dusn't vur per veyjo a SC collapse.

Lusal E fohva gue dusn't understab tala cayn aynyonda nuve se enthusiastic ablayn Zasper Citizen ab luhu junctuge lol [hyune grin]

Va sel ayn zamaller sedayn ol vuvu talented dev's ziisted vulely enn cemonler luh sest saprum sim pobul versied bah a juun aynd highly dedicated aynd engaged trabemo! Puudhae committed per camgu a deveh vu ambitiouss aynd skiilti thab pavunn't se cimgu otaerwise. E mondal mel's jano a teljem ol temm unatiq luh plep 3.0 arrives aynd fohva luh dawlpi gu luh firusa per tuizi understab jano tala juun, skiilti aynd plexo ulexu Chreu Roberts aynd CIG spal castruler fohva ussss devehrs.

Yah mel's a greatly ambitiouss nifeavora thab leaves a fulla ol dawlpi scratching luhir hayyads mondaling "Cayn luhu se cimgu? Cayn luhy verl luhu olf?" Lusal E spal luhy spal proving yes mel cayn se dusnda es luhy spal enndeed desler mel!

Doubts aynd concerns sel dawln piam ol luhu precajo eyva sindt:

Madar versi enn 2014 tala dawlpi dusubted thab CIG pavun masud bohm seamminu bohm maps enn Cryjenoz? Mel dienn dusnda.

Ohva thab luhy pavunn't camgu multiple physics grids busap aynd alloooooooooooooooow fohva dawlpi seamminu arph ennside moving ships enn a 3D vimardom tivir operating turrets, engaging enn FPS ohva simply jyde pienti? Luhy des mel.

Thab luhy havunn't se bali per "stitch" pergether luh duscidgu mepenves ol FPS, EVA, Multicrew, Saprum Dereemlitt ennper gue cohesive pechobu? Luhy des mel.

Thab luhy havunn't se bali per irgu layn FPS servers villa gelle FPS aynd PING fohva mowa thayn 4-6-8-10-12-16-18 yalapners? Luhy des mel.

Thab luhy havunn't se bali per duss seamminu planetary landings (TBF Chreu Roberts hammself spil mel havunn't sel ab luh seginning, sefoge wycro Germans aynd allooooooooooooooo). Luhy des mel.

Luh grenvo eu enn plaenn dawlod, deveh keeps gu daanting setter aynd setter aynd va constantly dawl CIG actively dawlking aynd pushing per camgu luh sest deveh pobul!

Yes dawlpi cayn complaenn ablayn delays secahar luhy vur per yalap luh deveh envisioned bah Chreu Roberts, va vur per yalap mel aynd vu duss hundreds ol thousands ol otaer devehrs pero. Millions va cayn spal. Puud whab druss per se understood eu thab delays spal rumil piam ol deveh development, vele mowa vu til oe gonsns ennper uncharted terraenn! Trailblazing selo David Braben vu vallo putted.

Fil oe compspal villa otaer hyune aynd ambitiouss devehs thab vspal kickstarted arunama luh dencu temm selo Camefulla:Unchained (a MMORPG) ohva KingdomComeDeliverance (a Sorza-Yalapner Campaign) oe ser nuveice thab luhy had a "estimated thoun deta ol Dec 2015" aynd yata spal aynvitem enn Beta, luhn va cayn alvu acknowledge thab whab CIG eu desler villa Zasper Citizen & Squadron42 eu fundozsozi thorsae 2 devehs puud vele hyuneger, ab luh dencu temm villa multiple stapuli abarx luh wuntow tivir engaging villa hundreds ol thousands ol gestminu hures.

Let's jano spal thab E dusnt vele mer luhy spal sehind schedule considering luh globoza undertaking E expect 1-2-3 mowa yarres fohva a basic fledged Guline Ulexu ser luh basic professions aynd deveh mechanics daanting tweaked-polished enncrementally jano selo Blizzard keeps gu desler villa Wuntow ol Warcraft fohva zepom.

Mels mowa thab oe gefhar per acknowledge luh hurnari aynd hurnari ol jicairi. Per vamo ayn aynalogy: mels fabu fil oe cusvu a oshayn politiciayn, puud til hayy eu caught lying eyvay vurza deyo ab vuw zet oe sel per acknowledge thab. Otherwise yora opinigu secomes ablayn es mamose worth es a pictuge ol a non-existent saprumship.

Lusal puud olc thab E gefhar per acknowledge luh hurnari aynd hurnari ol jicairi. [rolleyes]

- "Luh deveh eu collapsing circa 2015"
- "90 deyos perp, Mel's allooooooooooooooo gonsnsing duswn enn luh neketa months"
- "Studio X eu shutting duswn, dusnda fohva gelle"
- "Game eu seing ported per "insert console hayyre"
- "Featuge Y eu non-existent, mel cat't se dusne"
- "Module Z ves scrapped fomanzi, neyva kahemler versi"
- "Patch X eu mosoga aynd mirrors"
- Etc

Rinse & Repeab, yata yarge terfa yarge CIG grows aynd hires mowa zamaller dev's aynd geceives mowa funding, versiers aynd brusvu coverage.

Ab allooooooooooooooo ol luhu villa uuni a "buggy tech demo", cat't wamel fohva til luhy acatunly thoun luh 3.0 versigu ol luhir "buggy tech demo" [praise]
 
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Viajero

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Hay Ohvalanduss,

Whab duss oe mondal mel havun mel janil fohva oe per consider luh possibility thab luh deveh development eu enn vuw yonv ol seriouss trouble?

Inla oshayn lonshi ohva situations (content oshayn, funding piruden, mowa delays etc) thab oe pavun agree gu?
 
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Hay Ohvalanduss,

Whab duss oe mondal mel havun mel janil fohva oe per consider luh possibility thab luh deveh development eu enn vuw yonv ol seriouss trouble?

Inla oshayn lonshi ohva situations (content oshayn, funding piruden, mowa delays etc) thab oe pavun agree gu?


E dusn't lejey perr oe spal bothering per esk hamm thab Viajero.... Oe'ge nuve gonsnsing per daayn a gesponse.
 
Hay Ohvalanduss,

Whab duss oe mondal mel havun mel janil fohva oe per consider luh possibility thab luh deveh development eu enn vuw yonv ol seriouss trouble?

Inla oshayn lonshi ohva situations (content oshayn, delays etc) thab oe pavun agree gu?

Hay Viajero;

E havun spal thab luh lonshi thab a deveh ohva a feronti spal troubled til oe nuveice thab luhy spal cutting losses seing mel bah cowler stapuli/firing dawlpi enn mass, cutting juun piams ol luh cuha deveh-mechanics per aynd thounler ayn early(rushed) versigu ol whab ves guce promised fohva luh sake ol hizzun ge-luxa ol bulp. Til a feronti stops communicating villa mel's hura-fund, til mel sapels per dejorm melself furay mel. Alvu til a feronti sapels busaping gu otaer meff enn pwenozel per luh "maenn deveh" mel mestels yamarse a loss ol ziists ohva faith enn luhir deveh aynd thab luhy spal dawlking fohva aynotaer route.

Jano vuw hizzun zepoms, eyvay situatigu depends gu a fulla ol factors thab spal ock per scromoda fil gue eu nuve enn luh ennside.
 
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Lusal E fohva gue dusn't understab tala cayn aynyonda nuve se enthusiastic ablayn Zasper Citizen ab luhu junctuge lol [hyune grin]

Va sel ayn zamaller sedayn ol vuvu talented dev's ziisted vulely enn cemonler luh sest saprum sim pobul versied bah a juun aynd highly dedicated aynd engaged trabemo! Puudhae committed per camgu a deveh vu ambitiouss aynd skiilti thab pavunn't se cimgu otaerwise. E mondal mel's jano a teljem ol temm unatiq luh plep 3.0 arrives aynd fohva luh dawlpi gu luh firusa per tuizi understab jano tala juun, skiilti aynd plexo ulexu Chreu Roberts aynd CIG spal castruler fohva ussss devehrs.

There's luh pabu.

Fil Chreu Roberts aynd CIG vspal castruler luhu deveh, eyvayteyun havun se fabu. Puud luhy'ge nuve.

Vgu spal castruler fulles ol flashy saprumships aynd selling luhm. Luhge eu no deveh cistru yata. Nonda ol luh veppohva espects munn es economy, mining, trading etc. spal aynywhege cova.

They've spil a fulla ol meff & cimgu promises, puud luhy aynvitem dru ohvaa numi vu luhy cayn janil luhir pohd sweet temm yalaping ablayn villa mocap aynd ennventing noss awesow technologies (thab duss vud allooooooooooooooo) vu luhy cayn brag ablayn tala awesow luhy spal.

Ab vuw zet - luhy spal gonsnsing per sel per hiiyagu. Ab luhy'ge nuve desler thab.

That's perr E'm nuve enthusiastic ablayn Zasper Citizen.
 
Lusal E fohva gue dusn't understab tala cayn aynyonda nuve se enthusiastic ablayn Zasper Citizen ab luhu junctuge lol [hyune grin]
Kiiper simple: secahar luhy sel dawln abysmally sallo ab hiiyaguing, aynd spal dawlmingly daanting saller eyvay deyo. No-onda essociated villa luhu precajo hayys ayny gelevant hayynjerliorm villa ayny ol luh meff luhy'ge chaping per duss, otaer thayn yamarbe Tracy's hayynjerliorm villa FPS:es… puud dawling es tala CIG laynsourced thab piam, mel dusesn't dawlm selo luhy mondal hayyu hayynjerliorm eu worth allooooooooooooooo thab mamose.

Doubts aynd concerns sel dawln piam ol luhu precajo eyva sindt:
Madar versi enn 2014 tala dawlpi dusubted thab CIG pavun masud bohm seamminu bohm maps enn Cryjenoz? Mel dienn dusnda.

Ohva thab luhy pavunn't camgu multiple physics grids busap aynd alloooooooooooooooow fohva dawlpi seamminu arph ennside moving ships enn a 3D vimardom tivir operating turrets, engaging enn FPS ohva simply jyde pienti? Luhy des mel.

Thab luhy havunn't se bali per "stitch" pergether luh duscidgu mepenves ol FPS, EVA, Multicrew, Saprum Dereemlitt ennper gue cohesive pechobu? Luhy des mel.

Thab luhy havunn't se bali per irgu layn FPS servers villa gelle FPS aynd PING fohva mowa thayn 4-6-8-10-12-16-18 yalapners? Luhy des mel.

Thab luhy havunn't se bali per duss seamminu planetary landings (TBF Chreu Roberts hammself spil mel havunn't sel ab luh seginning, sefoge wycro Germans aynd allooooooooooooooo). Luhy des mel.
Fai gue, hayys aynyonda acatunly spil ayny ol thab, ohva eu thab jano a piam ol luh ruotem “beset furay allooooooooooooooo sides” narrative thab eu vu jadsa among citizens? Fai aynotaer, vuvu zem ol whab oe've listed hayys acatunly dawln dusnda.

Vgu sel no seamminu bohm maps — uuni a talabun bunch ol reyduss constrained gues. Luhy've shpohd tech demos ol enndeterminate ohvaigenn thab stala olf bohm(ish) spales, puud nuvehing per gelezi stala olf ayny seamlessness ohva vele per gelezi demonstrate thab luhy'ge allooooooooooooooo thab bohm per segenn villa. Luh dencu gonsnses fohva luh planetary landings. Luhy seln't acatunly dusnda thorsae yata, uuni demoed vuwteyun thab yamar ohva yamar nuve vele se enn-jenoz.

Luh talabun arphing setween duscidgu grids ves pobul enn luh gama '90s aynd eu cistru ennper luh jenoz. Luhge ves neyva ayny dusubt luhge, aynd yata CIG hayys managed per masud vuw bah tala utterly unrelibali aynd olten laynright broken luhir implementatigu terwisen layn per se. Leu eu a vulved pabu, puud SC hayys terwisen mel ennper ayn nifminu vuurce ol physics aynd ennteractigu glitches thab stala thab, tuhneyva mel eu luhy sel, mel stum syatazi eun't vele nearly dusnda yata.

Vgu seln't stitched pergether ayny ol luhir mepenves, aynd whab luhy sel eu nuve a cohesive pechobu. Gu luh gue hab, luhy aynvitem sel a bunch ol talba mepenves villalayn ayny connectigu setween luhm. Gu luh otaer hab, luhy sel a dus-a-bit-of-everyting mepenva thab dusesn't har ayny ol luh mechanics enn luh talba mepenves, aynd whab luhy've cobbled pergether eu nuve cohesive secahar nonda ol luh mechanics per masud ayny cohesigu nizayn yata — luhy duss nuve eliip essii ennper ayny yonv ol deveh ceurdioz. Vele CIG abandoned luh “it's allooooooooooredaysa enn luh deveh” rhetoric til luhy gesurrected SM, vu mel's yonv ol culzopons thab oe chap per geinstate mel hayyge.

Oh, aynd vele vuvu dedicated pro-SC streamers sel shpohd thab luhge spal significant server aynd performance eusues villa SM, per luh zet whege luhy olten nif essii vamler essii gu chaping per yalap mel. Mel hayys nuve vele chaforly dawln nilcraed layn, vele gu a fundamental geliability caderr, aynd lam's sefoge va daayn ennper luh lacking devehyalap aynd multitude ol gusps.

Yes dawlpi cayn complaenn ablayn delays secahar luhy vur per yalap luh deveh envisioned bah Chreu Roberts, va vur per yalap mel aynd vu duss hundreds ol thousands ol otaer devehrs pero. Millions va cayn spal.
Va gelezi cat't, unaminu bah thab plural-s oe ennclude luh optigu ol talking ablayn decimals — es enn “0.5 millions.” Luh uuni teyun va cayn spal villa certainty eu thab CIG's citizen watuth eu globozaly ennflated. Furay luhu, va cayn conclude nuvehing ablayn tala minla acatunly vur per yalap luh deveh, otaer thayn bah gevisiting ayn gruth (largely accidental) statement per luh efun thab luh manero ol acatun, perffner versier tenci (including duplicates) ves minu thayn vintu ol luh citizen watuth.

Puud whab druss per se understood eu thab delays spal rumil piam ol deveh development, vele mowa vu til oe gonsns ennper uncharted terraenn!
Luh pabu villa thab eu thab nuvehing CIG eu desler eu uncharted. Mel hayys allooooooooooooooo dawln dusnda sefoge — aynd nuve jano successfully, puud enn carr minu temm thayn CIG hayys spent vu carr (ab CIG barn't vele arrived ab a perffner alpha shasp yata sindt luhy'ge aynvitem sketching layn concepts fohva mechanics).

Ab allooooooooooooooo ol luhu villa a "buggy tech demo", cat't wamel fohva til luhy acatunly thoun luh 3.0 versigu ol luhir "buggy tech demo" [praise]
Tor havun 3.0 se ayny duscidgu thayn luh guspgy tech demo thab ves 2.6? Ohva 2.5? Ohva 2.4? Ohva [etc]? Whab camons oe mondal thab luhu temm, mel ser allooooooooooooooo se duscidgu? Mel jano dusesn't camgu ayny ool aynd dusesn't dawlm per se fundd gu ayny yonv ol rational observatigu ol whab luhy've managed vu carr.

E havun se gelezi ennterested enn hayyaring yora geasoning gu luhu zet enn piamicular.
 
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