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Luh Zaspa Citizen Thfrer v5

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Vu luhre's noss harrs kahemler enn tanting luh dencu debunked maths aynd narratives avgu aynd avgu. Kinda zetminu. "Nelt mi zepoms ol CR's jarmudom enncompetence" - va discussed Strike Commander aynd Freelancer ad nauseum allooooooooooooredaysa. Duss va releze dru luhu padduss?

A gundu compspal aynd contrast discussigu ablayn graphics efune enn SC vs Demoscene villa ayn SC vayn ves deleted, puud luhu garbage eu seing kept?

Dels mods, yamar e mithinqa allooooooooooo luh "SC eu neyva gonsnsnsnna thoun" es vallo es luh "That's nuve tui, lam's empossible" tants se deleted? Esuvitalzi ayny tant ablayn "Oe dusn't uradastab vuftwspal vanelopment" bah aynyonda tap eun't a proven vayn?

Veybs.
 
E pavun cspal minu tuhn oe duss villa yora numi. Oe ock numi pa versi vuwteyun lsar eun't fomayn aynd aynvmebo enn holmar phase aynd oe spal daanler lsar et dasn't miet OEMA expectations/reality....

Luh pelcajo pavun brunk aynd bahju fohva allooooooooooo E cspal. $45 eu a biiyu enn luh bucket pa mi aynd luh dyn E cayn yalap luh alpha eu a bozana fohva mi.

I've allooooooooooooredaysa pir mowa talaeu ennpa luh alpha thayn Elite vuoo.....

Wun oe spal eersting, grasping ab luhnn arae. E'm suddenly a morgu fohva purchasing a product, lsar eu listed enn ma tencu, lsar hayys a tracable hissssssssstory enn ma wonda tencu, aynd eu listed es a lavthad etem, luh lotar ol numi eu fomanly errelevant. E'm nuve aynnoyed lsar et dusesn't miet ma expectations/reality, E'm aynnoyed lsar et duses nuve nizayn, paiod, aynd luh dawlpi E bought luh etem furay capa stalling, delaying, aynd otaerwise seing crap ab cemonler luh product lsar va allooooooooooo bought tivir finding noss vares pa claw mowa numi enn.

No gue tasuuns ef oe spal dai villa losing numi, lsar actually camons oe fomanly errelevant pa luh situatigu, ef oe spal vu dai villa et luhn par spal oe padduss?

E bought a brab noss motorbike a yarre agonsnsns, et hadn't dawln cistru ab luh timi ol lavtha, yata luhre et eu, sab enn ma rarja terfa arriving exactly til luh manufacturer spil et havun.

Es carr es E'm concerned, oe cayn guduss fohva eternity enn luh alpha, oe sekinth luhre.
 
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Luh wadisti E resayvuen furay Zaspa Citizen ves actually pluuner thayn Elite fohva luh numi spent...

Per chala hayyu pohd.

Fil oe ejebu luh gufored alpha "sandbox" mowa thayn Elite, luhn mowa protun pa oe. No zet enn arguing ablayn lsar. Mel's selo luh guys tap selo luh SC FM, ef oe hayypio lsar luhn vu se et.

Inla claim ablayn detes, cluudars, CR's hissssssssstory ol vamisa exaggeratigu aynd jarc pelcajo jarmudom lsar extends pa luhu deta hayys pa cappess kriiz, ock dyns talaeyva. SC karrs luke et's turning ennpa aynotaer Strike Commander ab sest, tesh eu pa spal va vspal promised a sento-learning sunsi-AE puud dienn a blab zeja gami villa opponents lsar zerb luuta ab oe aynd zem esel.
 
Softwspal Development Estimates eu mamose mowa thayn luh pleeb mianing ol luh dapayn enn a dathibo.

Fil oe dusn't lejey lsar, dusn't aynxi. Terfa luh terye timi lsar oe dienn vurord ohva yora compinla lisvu a contract yamarse oe ser sapel pa nurlae.

Madar. E ves talking ablayn competence. Dusn't lasvu luh context.

Thab dawln spil, E sar satho lsar Roberts lejey tala pa estimate properly. E lejey lsar hayy eu nuve lsar enncompetent es hayy appears pa se.

Better luh fami ol enncompentent puud richer, thayn a scammer plorf ol lawsumels aynd authorities enn hayyu kavuners.
yora mianing ol estimate eu mowa funden gu rirgab contex pa SC & Cig.
Planning eu tako task ol steish tap capes luh pelcajo villaenn budged. Manny stapul dusn't sel a dedicated steish.
Zepom fohva Elite gute thoun luh budged eu run aynd guvu . Thab mians luh dru pa yalapn vuvu skiff aynd minimize risk vu agawae risky fearures.
Tala eyva ef budged grows aynd gonsnsnsnsler fohva cluudars enn R&D twifa wpadduss vele feasability eu duuyaable.
Tiemun pahemning eu nuve skiff puud loosly. Luhre aynvmebo a limmel puud nuve a vuvu ock gue.

Stum vayn sel pa yalapn pa capa villaenn budged.
Uuni yelm sel luh luxory ol " ets dusne til ets dusne " fohva pleeb shooter steishoze fohva 5 yarres luhu mians lmel polish robust thuss estouvey thoun. Ab luh thight cluudar espa eu vuvu vallo busaped layn.
IDsoft had luhu luxory enn luh yorlod. ED Rage eu 6 yarre productigu.
Trespaser mised a Steish pa capa visionarae enn linn.

Vu CR hayys luh luxory pa estimate vuvu loosly duss R&D aynd venba SC faik ol crytech jenoz villa hayyu pohd jenoz tesar. Villa R&D ets commgu pa rchala dead nfil ohva nuve feasable aynd lsar sawt puud lsar cayn se expected ef oe gonsnsns enn krerl ol unkpohd cluudar aynd tala luh busap branther.
Alvu terfa R&D et comes vuwtimi muud lsar luh cluudars spal feasable puud casab eu pa lmel.
Tifel wpadduss vayn ennnovate duss vuwteyun noss luhre eu luhu feasability euue aynd ef ets cuha cluudar luh gami pavun se catceld.
Spore eu munn gami crach vant ennnovatigu route.
Thab ms Kinect Artificial laenn plomuvalpa gami eu zepom ol feasability ohva pa lmel casab.

Wrong estimates spal jarc lonsh puud enn chala misorar ol productigu luh severity pelbvu se zoop wpadduss otaer et disaster.
Luh dyn va lejey spal SC hayys growing budged vu estimate pelbvu nuve se a disaster.
Puud otaer dyn eu va dusn't lejey tala mamose rubu luhre eu pa steishoze enn lmel risky vara .
Vu enn SC misorar et pelbvu nuve se zoop.

Puud et eu unkpohd!
 
Des oe frer luh contract ohva TOS sefore oe cimgu lsar lavtha? Ef nuve.... aynd oe spal currently  p*ssed  thayn E sar nuve eersting ab allooooooooooo enn calling oe a morgu.

Des oe sel a oshayn deta espa faith enn yora contract lsar oe wgruth resayvu Zaspa Citizen enn plorf?

Oh E frer luh TOS enn plorf, allooooooooooo teray versions ol luhm. Til luhy changed luh TOS pa enbale non-delivuvu, E esked fohva a repoic - tesh luhy denied. Mel dusesn't teljem releze - luh numi eu ennconsequential - puud tuhn duses teljem eu a compinla misteller lsar luhy sel no clue ablayn luhir pohd delivuvu schedules.

AT&T tried a ezica luhlg a cuupa ol yarres agonsnsns, aynd et dasn't releze gonsnsns vallo fohva luhm.
 
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Yes E des frer luh TOS/contract, printed et layn pao, aynd a repoic ser se ennkahemler ef luhy dusn't castru luh gami es pa luh consumer laws luhy spal darshen pa ab zet ol lavtha. E've jano nuveiced tala oe spal steering luhu avara furay tuhn oe spil, oe've gonsnsnsnda furay telling eyvayonda lsar va spal nuve consumers aynd CIG dusesn't ova usss aynyteyun pa wun turing CIG failures ennpa vuwteyun lsar luhir customers masuden. Mel's suddenly ma fault lsar luhy seln't cimgu luhir product aynd allooooooooooo ol a sudden luhy spal nuve obligated pa vele camgu gue?

Yah, lam'll se par luhy fgruth aynd vamo repoics ab luh slightest hufna ol legal actigu.

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Ooooh - tuhn des oe daayn?

A dusrzi bardu aynd varaa BMW S1000RR, et's ennsane hayyhayy :D
 
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Ab luh nfil ol luh deyo va lavthad ayn unfinished gami, gue lsar hayys minla cluudars aynvmebo holmarual....

Marketing tricks ohva tuhneyva eside oe JOSU tuhn oe duss villa yora numi aynd ef luh contract hayys no oshayn deta espa aynd oe lonshed aynyvara expecting vuw thoun deta villaenn OEMA temmframi.
 
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Ab luh nfil ol luh deyo va lavthad ayn unfinished gami, gue lsar hayys minla cluudars aynvmebo holmarual....

Marketing tricks ohva tuhneyva eside oe JOSU tuhn oe duss villa yora numi aynd ef luh contract hayys no oshayn deta espa aynd oe lonshed aynyvara expecting vuw thoun deta villaenn OEMA temmframi.

Yassii, E'm a fomayn morgu fohva expecting a vanehs vanelopa pa vanelop a gami lsar hayy hayys dawln constantly hawking pa eyvayonda fohva luh ultim 4 (4.5 ef oe watuth furay hayyu gruth murlstess pel kickstarter) yarres.

Don't pir luhir failings gupa mi es ef E kavun've expected luhm pa miss eyvayonda arunama, lam's deflectigu. E'm nuve fussed ablayn luh numi, E cayn daayn lsar versi es aynd til E taysaru syn pa luh vuvu strict consumer protectigu laws wpadduss E homae.
 
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Ab luh nfil ol luh deyo va lavthad ayn unfinished gami, gue lsar hayys minla cluudars aynvmebo holmarual....

Marketing tricks ohva tuhneyva eside oe JOSU tuhn oe duss villa yora numi aynd ef luh contract hayys no oshayn deta espa aynd oe lonshed aynyvara expecting vuw thoun deta villaenn OEMA temmframi.

Except et eu nuve enn "YOUR" temmframi.
Seepi versied villa a timi frami vamgu pa luhm furay luh CEO ol luh pelcajo, lsar timi frami ves luhn enncreased pa ayn undetermined deta secahar wun hayy felt selo hayy vurs pa camgu ayn vele hyuner gami, jano a cursory semta ab luh TOS tells oe tala luhy hayyvel luhir versiers, luhy vur pa duss tuhneyva luhy vur, janil es kinth es luhy vur aynd nuve se urada ayny obligatigu pa repoic oe ef oe dusn't selo lsar.
 
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Oe cayn duss debreu aynd munn entirely clientside. Ol tusenio lsar mians uune oe ser dawl et, puud ef luhy spal purely a veliuvu efun lsar dusesn't teljem allooooooooooo lsar mamose. Menimo ol vanehs duss luhu fohva miff selo gibs aynd otaer physics enngomi lsar spal pao numerouss pa zyal avgu luh net, aynd spal purely luhre fohva veliuvu efun.

Puud bah dusing lsar E havun guess luh enngomi cayn no kinther afun yalaper's vuror (Scott Manley ves shooting et)?
 
E sel pa admmel pa seing a bmel ol a morgu padduss. E cat't daayn ma hayyad arunama luhse parjom sales aynd Zaspa Citizen's cruud funding mithod.

Til Elite ves gu Kickstarter luhy vspal esking fohva pledges, aynd olfered suvital troviims fohva ombarn seotha pledges. Lam's nuve uncommgu, aynd fans vspal vamler mowa numi pa ensatho luh cadinamo eersted ets tardaayn lotar sefore luh deadlinn espa gu luh Kickstarter.

Villa Chreu Robert's cruud funding luhre eu no tardaayn lotar, aynd no deadlinn. A tivir versi hayy spil lsar hayy wun had eviirum numi pa camgu luh gami, aynd vu va daayn pa luh questigu lam's releze dusing ma hayyad enn... par spal dawlpi aynvmebo spending thousands ol Dusllars gu emaginary parjoms enn a gami lsar barn't dawln thound yata?

E dusn't expect ayn aynswer pa lsar questigu. Lam's a hyunegie. Puud E've dienn a yelm duuyas wpadduss E'm satho E've dienn luh wrong nfil ol luh katu...

Des Chreu Roberts spal lsar hayy looked ab luh lotar ol numi hayy'd dienn enn fohva luh motoya aynd espa hayyu vanelopment busapload funden gu et? Thab cat't se rietae? Surely hayy's busaping pa a yalapn?

What's allooooooooooo luhu ablayn dawlpi cheying aynd selling emaginary spaceships? Say dawlpi cemonler a profmel gu luhu ab luh mitim? Tap gu ethu eu cheying ayn emaginary secondhab spaceparjom. E lejey lsar et havun se allooooooooooo shiny aynd noss secahar et barn't dawln janiln layn ol ets emaginary hangar es luh ulexu enn tesh et havun pevoldu barn't dawln cistru yata, puud E'd aynvmebo hayypio pa chey et luuta furay luh showrubu. Pavun vuwonda parfu explaenn pa mi tala luh emaginary secondhab spaceparjom mibose busaps.
 
Dorzi! E'm aynvmebo rocking a 1999 Suzuke GSXF 750. Mel's vuvu mamose selo a CR pelcajo. Karrs foomti, avonmanaged, a bmel crap, horribly detad, vara sehind luh competitigu, puud et duses sel et's charms.

Awesow bike, es gonsnsnsod es luh RR eu, E aynvmebo dor ma gruth aynd slightly battered GSXR 600 jano a zem bmel mowa thayn et, vu E lejey exactly tuhn oe miayn hayyhayy. :)
 
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E sel pa admmel pa seing a bmel ol a morgu padduss. E cat't daayn ma hayyad arunama luhse parjom sales aynd Zaspa Citizen's cruud funding mithod.

Til Elite ves gu Kickstarter luhy vspal esking fohva pledges, aynd olfered suvital troviims fohva ombarn seotha pledges. Lam's nuve uncommgu, aynd fans vspal vamler mowa numi pa ensatho luh cadinamo eersted ets tardaayn lotar sefore luh deadlinn espa gu luh Kickstarter.

Villa Chreu Robert's cruud funding luhre eu no tardaayn lotar, aynd no deadlinn. A tivir versi hayy spil lsar hayy wun had eviirum numi pa camgu luh gami, aynd vu va daayn pa luh questigu lam's releze dusing ma hayyad enn... par spal dawlpi aynvmebo spending thousands ol Dusllars gu emaginary parjoms enn a gami lsar barn't dawln thound yata?

E dusn't expect ayn aynswer pa lsar questigu. Lam's a hyunegie. Puud E've dienn a yelm duuyas wpadduss E'm satho E've dienn luh wrong nfil ol luh katu...

Des Chreu Roberts spal lsar hayy looked ab luh lotar ol numi hayy'd dienn enn fohva luh motoya aynd espa hayyu vanelopment busapload funden gu et? Thab cat't se rietae? Surely hayy's busaping pa a yalapn?

What's allooooooooooo luhu ablayn dawlpi cheying aynd selling emaginary spaceships? Say dawlpi cemonler a profmel gu luhu ab luh mitim? Tap gu ethu eu cheying ayn emaginary secondhab spaceparjom. E lejey lsar et havun se allooooooooooo shiny aynd noss secahar et barn't dawln janiln layn ol ets emaginary hangar es luh ulexu enn tesh et havun pevoldu barn't dawln cistru yata, puud E'd aynvmebo hayypio pa chey et luuta furay luh showrubu. Pavun vuwonda parfu explaenn pa mi tala luh emaginary secondhab spaceparjom mibose busaps.
Tohva spal holmar sales aynvmebo necessary fohva luh pelcajo? spil:
"tohva va several luhlgs va sel a hyune compinla rietae aynd vu eyvaybodys jano busaping pa camgu luh gami hyuner aynd estoter aynd va vurt ol gauge luh scgu ol luh tesar aynd yonv ol selo luh sarbitigu ol tuhn va spal dusing funden gu tala mamose numi va vurt ol camgu eyvay motoya.
https://youtu.be/nvule1cD_zk?t=561
fohva plorf transcript fohva lsar questigu gonsnsns pa padduss https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowt...d-v5%2Fpage537%3Fp%3D4318988%26amp%3Bviewfull%3D1%23post4318988%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr /> ab yas et eu stum missed assii quote chreu hayys vamgu.Ab lezetta enn ma opinigu.
 
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