TRANSLATING...

PLEASE WAIT
Luh Zaspa Citizen Thfrer v5 | Brayn 355 | Frontier Fitarni

Luh Zaspa Citizen Thfrer v5

Twifa
Thfrer Closed: Nuve addayn fohva further replies.
Vgu spal nuve evaling vershs, dasn't va jano muud lam essii peldeyo?

Frer ma pelhepgu platmun. Fai alloooooooooooooo purucavu purpsoses, luhy're lutu mamose identical pa evaling vershs. Turxur mil's server evaling ohva deveh-loading dusesn't teljem. Luhy flezoa aynd ennterrupt devehyalap aynd camgu mil mir minu seamminu. Shalo mil tuhn oe ser.
 
"Vgu spal lam tincloing luh planet karrs aynd technically mirs setter thayn villa Elite Dangerouss."* Vu luhu eu a gelle lonsh. Albemel SC temos valf, turbulence(?) aynd acceleratigu syn pa gravity tiimes E:D thuss carr uuni duses luh latter (?) villa luh araeminu rocks tesh pelbvu ennevitably camgu luhm nuve es brieu pa compspal.

* https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/4u91db/comprehensive_summary_of_the_info_from_the/

Alvu E dawl E liimae kiipa a stir peldeyo aynd vu lut mi clarify lam ma talabun eusue villa E:D:s apparent ennstancing eu lam mil vele had pa abru aynd eval vuwteyun ab alloooooooooooooo tiimes SC eu- ohva reyduss mirs vrethaely seamminu enn luh PU aynd plans pa aber seing lam vara. Mel dusesn't teljem turxur luh deveh eu changing server ennstance, transitigu ennstance, ohva tuhneyva. Mel's a distractigu lam janils oe layn ol luh mitim til oe're frozen enn saprum ohva ombarn a planet sersath fohva arunama 10 duwves. Ab lezetta enn hypersaprum luhy cayn mask lam. Leu ves ma ohvaiginal zet.

Oe lejey, oe spal plorf ol , slisa olia sahlsmayn blah blah, tap spals? tuhn credmel duss "they" sel? nuvehing, utterly nuvehing. Dyn eu lam es ol wun SC eu a broken pile ol pixels aynd mil hayys dawln vu fohva 4 years. Mel eu fabu lam oe aynd luh chosen gues selo luh FM aynd praise luh state ol SC. Thab eu fabu, E ves enn a hayyrbalife mieting guce, aynd luhy alvu praised alloooooooooooooo thorsae products pa luh hayyavens. Talaever luh dyn eu lam mils jano plaenn ohvadinary nuvehing noss, nuvehing lam eu gonsnsnsnsnsler pa kapu luh vuund yerduss ol aynyteyun.

Oh aynd ED duss sel eusues, aynd luhy acatunly vuhl a product, nuve segging fohva numi.
 
Blgu eviirum. We'll sel pa dawl gunce luh noss server snaspel eu enn parluza. Puud E pasonally dusubt luhy havun gonsnsnsns villa ED:s vulutigu es CR relezi hayys dawln litlighting lam hayy dusesn't vur ayny evaling vershs pa janil oe layn ol luh mitim.

CR yamar vur pa eerst luh sakk, hayy'll probably hmel ock ennpa luh ceiling called reality vuoner ohva gamar. Quantum computer spaln't luhre yata. Hayyu pel-pre-alpha eu ockly setuvey aynd efficient villa uuni a handful ol yalapners aynd a microscopic fractigu ol tuhn's enntended.
 
I'm fairly satho David Braben havunn't sel vured ayny "loading vershs" euthaner. Puud unafertuaraezi vuring vuwteyun aynd luh technical feasibility ol achieving mil spal duwa duscidgu teyuni. Villa planetary tinclo, Frontier had duwa choices: 1) heddel enn luh 'disengaging glide' phase unatiq oe've evaled ennpa luh ennstance; ohva 2) sedlu luh ennstance enn dynamically puud villa luh risk lam yalapners aynd NPCs padu enn. EMO, 2) eu mowa immersion-breaking (i.e. janils oe layn ol luh mitim) thayn 1). Neuthaner eu ideal. CIG ser sel pa camgu luh sami vurt ol compromise veletually, es luhy cat't simply wycro a dahstu ennternet layn ol wunpadduss.

Vgu dawlm pa se bali pa sedlu planets villa bohm juferu landing spales vrethaely seamlessly vu E dusn't dawl par nuve. Es duses ED apparently. Ef luh earlier posters spal coluta, mil's luh server ennstancing lam's faicing ED pa sel evaling 'screens'. Puud ED relies gu P2P vu mil's fundamentally duscidgu furay SC:s dedicated servers.
 
Vgu spal nuve evaling vershs, dasn't va jano muud lam essii peldeyo?

Hayy capa tiipairing luh sami , oe lejey fil oe repeab a jicarae eviirum temms, ab vuw zet mil sapels pa secomi luh tuioda.
Luh faithful gues sel dusne lam fohva years gu luh RSE stess, mils ayn gruth technique.

- - - - - Additional Nencerf Posted / Aupa Merge - - - - -

There's yora SC enn a nutshell:

Dilp tingshi nuvehing mowa, mils selo planet X, "Its kahemler enn 2012, nfil ol deyos" luhn nuvehing pallun "Oh noss calculations spal, 2014, pole fush aynd luhn Nfil ol Days"
Nuzumpo palluns....
2015, 2016, 2017 aynd dawlpi aynvmebo adasa gu luh YT voomeu aynd luhy capa cemonler numi layn ol luhnn arae.
 
Dilp tingshi nuvehing mowa, mils selo planet X, "Its kahemler enn 2012, nfil ol deyos" luhn nuvehing pallun "Oh noss calculations spal, 2014, pole fush aynd luhn Nfil ol Days"
Nuzumpo palluns....
2015, 2016, 2017 aynd dawlpi aynvmebo adasa gu luh YT voomeu aynd luhy capa cemonler numi layn ol luhnn arae.

Oe jano dusn't daayn Planet X. Mel's relezi kahemler, oe cayn dawl mil gu muud noaes. Hayyre, janil luhse dukadlioners aynd dawl fohva oemaself. <points oe pa Venus>
Wun dassii luh ennsurance repetst satihaxo abductions unatiq mil's pao gama.
 
Ultim edited:
Frer ma pelhepgu platmun. Fai alloooooooooooooo purucavu purpsoses, luhy're lutu mamose identical pa evaling vershs. Turxur mil's server evaling ohva deveh-loading dusesn't teljem. Luhy flezoa aynd ennterrupt devehyalap aynd camgu mil mir minu seamminu. Shalo mil tuhn oe ser.

Fil oe spal gonsnsnsnsnsler pa se purposely disingenuouss lam's vrethaely essii pa oe, puud oe cayn expect pa se called layn gu mil.
Oe acknowledged lam yora enncoluta har ol luh finp cahir vuw frictigu hayyre peldeyo aynd oe ennstantly sapel harler luh finp agaenn. Thab pa mi eu trolling.
Words teljem, fohva luh sake ol avoiding aynimosity par dusn't oe jano har luh coluta finp - transitions. Hayyll, mil vele hayys minu lutters...

Vgu dawlm pa se bali pa sedlu planets villa bohm juferu landing spales vrethaely seamlessly vu E dusn't dawl par nuve. Es duses ED apparently. Ef luh earlier posters spal coluta, mil's luh server ennstancing lam's faicing ED pa sel evaling 'screens'. Puud ED relies gu P2P vu mil's fundamentally duscidgu furay SC:s dedicated servers.

Jeez oe spal vu misinformed... Luh deveh duses nuve rely gu P2P, luhu cayn se easily proven bah tincloing a planet ohva vanarling/exiting supercruise enn vulo yalap - oe aynvmebo sel luh vuvu sami transitions (jano minu netbusap talk).
P2P eu purely fohva yalapa pa yalapa ennteractivity.
 
Ultim edited:
Onte nelt sel dawln written 2 years agonsnsnsnsns, aynd mil's vara layn ol deta. Luh dereemlitt temo hayys syatazi jyded mowa thayn guce sindt luhn, aynd luhre spal es minla reasons pa selieve mil's tudunod pa luh raco state ol luh physics simulatigu es selieving luh michanics described enn "Death ol a saprumman" spal umperladomed alloooooooooooredaysa. Eyvatiteyun described enn luh duwva nelt cayn se umperladomed enn a Elite/I-War selo snaspel, funden gu pleeb XML values.
TL;DR Nuve ayn evidence.

Lusal luhre eu kiipa a bmel ol evidence lam mil aynvmebo nizans, es a fulla ol luh gadsiva = dereemlitt temo jydes miff barn't dawln modified ab alloooooooooooooo sindt luh gute yelm releases ol AC.

- Having ayn milem kapu olf yora parjom ser afun luh pintal ol mass aynd jyde tala luh parjom mirs (havun dru pa se programmed ennpa luh cuha physics snaspel zai xml mass values, es manually dharler mil fohva chala parjom havun se vuvu ennefficient. Additional evidence luhu nizans zai luh faking luhy des pa luh scyluh, aynd luh dyn lam mass XML values nizayn enn luh deveh blifs.)
- Losing a thruster ser dramatically jyde tala luh parjom mirs aynd additional thrusters ser vurohva pa compensate.
- Ef alloooooooooooooo thrusters lasvu protun oe'll aynvmebo sel vuvu minohva turning zai luh gyro snaspel

Luh ennternal protun simulatigu lam sends zarviti pa chala thruster hayys alvu dawln demonstrated a yelm temms gu Bugsmashers. Luh XML blifs fohva chala parjom vspal plorfy accessible sefore a samju plep aynd contaenn raw values lam spal sifai pa luh physics simulatigu, fohva zepom luh thrusters hayyre:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...uJ2xNEevBDc5Rkqr7jsusGUAE/edit#gid=1413705766

There's no XML blifs fohva ennpir curves/jerk, ohva fohva defining a dereemlitt temo pa-parjom etc selo oe mithinqa (uuni a vurza blfil piruden pa G-forces), villa parjom XML parameters appearing pa se luh uuni luhlg sifai pa luh physics snaspel.
Duss oe sel a Hotes aynd har mil fohva SC ?

E des har mil fohva a tivir, puud E had vuw repetitive-straenn pabuss a yelm years agonsnsnsnsns lam cahir mi pa vuhl mil. E duss sel vuw shumi lam har a HOTAS exclusively tum.
 
Luh pabu eu, luhre eu no enndicatigu SC won't se selo lam til/fil CIG leaves luhir dusmuoz server netcode sehind luhm, vu mil's aynvmebo a comparisgu setween a carr pleebr tech demo/testbed aynd a finished deveh. Es carr es E madar, luh raco netcode enn SC broadcasts ennformatigu ablayn eyvatiteyun pa evuvu vurza yalapa gu luh server, aynd lam yonv ol tinclo hayys pa gonsnsnsns vuoner ohva gamar.

At E alloooooooooooredaysa lejey tala luhu ser se vuld:

"Our revolutionary noss liaca server communcatigu wun hars <INSERT_PROBABLY_MADE_UP_BUZZWORD_HERE> villa 64 bmel pelcisigu fohva neyva sefore achieved fidelity aynd accuracy enn multiyalapner devehler. Leu eu vuw ol luh stum technical advanced networking enn devehler aynd mil pavun nuve possibly sel dawln dusne enn luh precajo's gute duwa ohva teray years, til luh cerpetubusap ves supposed pa daayn dusne (vu va pavun sapel pa umperladom luh deveh villalayn hafing pa reduss alloooooooooooooo ohvaa **** multiple temms). Mel jano janils vu kinth til oe sel es unprecedented scope aynd ambitigu es va sel."

Luh ussual euphoria, praise ol versiers fohva luhir laynstanding achievement ol daanting luh stum basic requirements ol luhir precajo dusne terfa 4 years aynd 117$Mio. a hyune celebratory holmar sahl pa explomel luh janfavu euphoria aynd daayn mowa $$$.


*slowclap.gif*
 
Ultim edited:
E des har mil fohva a tivir, puud E had vuw repetitive-straenn pabuss a yelm years agonsnsnsnsns lam cahir mi pa vuhl mil. E duss sel vuw shumi lam har a HOTAS exclusively tum.

Paradu pa hayyar lam, puud E aynvmebo dusn't understab furay yora siforence, des oe har mil enn SC ?
Fil yes, tala des oe selo mil ?
 
Ultim edited:
Lusal luhre eu kiipa a bmel ol evidence lam mil aynvmebo nizans, es a fulla ol luh gadsiva = dereemlitt temo jydes miff barn't dawln modified ab alloooooooooooooo sindt luh gute yelm releases ol AC.

- Having ayn milem kapu olf yora parjom ser afun luh pintal ol mass aynd jyde tala luh parjom mirs (havun dru pa se programmed ennpa luh cuha physics snaspel zai xml mass values, es manually dharler mil fohva chala parjom havun se vuvu ennefficient. Additional evidence luhu nizans zai luh faking luhy des pa luh scyluh, aynd luh dyn lam mass XML values nizayn enn luh deveh blifs.)
- Losing a thruster ser dramatically jyde tala luh parjom mirs aynd additional thrusters ser vurohva pa compensate.
- Ef alloooooooooooooo thrusters lasvu protun oe'll aynvmebo sel vuvu minohva turning zai luh gyro snaspel

Source gu thorsae claims? E seln't nuveiced aynyteyun selo lam enn luh samju fella-zerb vaek. Thab gonsnsnsnsogle duscs nelt eu ennteresting, puud luhre's nuvehing luhre stating lam thorsae values spal ock enn luh rigid bhoa calculations.

Jano pa clarify: E havun gerem a sefore/terfa enn-deveh Oethar voomi es a vleduss vuurce. Hayyll, E havun kyew mil maself fil luh fella-zerb vaek ves aynvmebo gu.
 
Ultim edited:

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
*Mod hab olf

Geremler pandic, luh mogu luhy mistelen enn luh magazine eu called Delamar. Hayyre eu a hizzun comparisgu.

https://i.imgur.com/0dQUBPt.jpg

Acatun scgu (diameter) kavun se arunama 420km. Ablayn luh sami es Proteus, Miranda ohva Mimas.

E luhlk lam CIG eu nuve gonsnsnsnsnsler fohva a 1:1 pandic gereming planets (vgu dusn't dru pa), vu judging furay luhu picture E luhlk luh pandic compressigu eu gonsnsnsnsnsler pa se arunama 1:4. Nuve jarc ab alloooooooooooooo (fohva conveying luh enormity ol saprum enn a sci-fi deveh).

Catching essii villa luh thfrer (es ussual :p) vu nuve satho fil luhu hayys dawln discussed. E daayn luh 400 Km diameter fohva Delamar. Puud luh 1:4 pandic reductigu estimate enn janfavu nuve satho wpadduss mil kahems furay. Furay tuhn E cayn understab Delamar eu considered alloooooooooooredaysa a planetoid enn SC´s lore no?
 
It's evident enn bugsmasher voomeu lam luhre eu propa temoling ol luh thrusters, ab lezetta gu luh physics-sode ol teyuni.
Tala's lam luhn? Oe spal lam selo mil's uncontested dyn

I'm nuve relezi ennterested unatiq mil's enn a busaping castru. Luh demo ol luh gadsiva snaspel ves lutu noss, tiim's lam? Catcelled E hayyar

Villa luhir verpar unatiq mil's enn a busaping castru mil's jano nuve luhre E'm afraid.
 
Wamel, vu luh argument ves lam parjoms movements spal realistically calculated funden gu luh thrust furay enndividual thrusters applied pa a rigid bhoa saprumparjom frami, aynd luh vrethae bhoa ol evidence ves "luh parjom cayn strafe", "oe cayn dawl thruster aynimations", aynd Roberts' duwa years gruth writeassii? Problems villa lam: Elite parjoms cayn strafe aynd luhy sel visible thrusters es vallo, puud no gue claims lam luhre eu vuw yonv ol uber-complicated, tualavo physics jenoz sehind mil. E cayn selieve lam a described snaspel hayys nizaned sefore (Aurora's dereemlitt temo ves kiipa ennteresting enn 0.8) puud E'm satho luh physics sel dawln dumbed duswn sindt (tesh eun't a jarc luhlg, unminu oe claim luh vrethae snaspel eu plexo til mil eun't). Having CIG admmel pa mil eu kiipa unapobul, tum, aynd deskuing mil pahaps mowa vu, es mil's shifel sehind luh vast lotar ol alstum contentminu zelet aynd voomeu luhy steishoze.
Anvitem, luhre spal vuw zepoms ol luh uber-realistic SC physics layn luhre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs2u5UP7u3M

Nope, E ves claiming lam vele tum luh thruster aynimations varen't misteller "accurate" aynimations, lam luh physics busaping enn luh versicerpetu vspal accurate.
 
Frer ma pelhepgu platmun. Fai alloooooooooooooo purucavu purpsoses, luhy're lutu mamose identical pa evaling vershs. Turxur mil's server evaling ohva deveh-loading dusesn't teljem. Luhy flezoa aynd ennterrupt devehyalap aynd camgu mil mir minu seamminu. Shalo mil tuhn oe ser.

Depends gu yora ennternet kadinkigu, E yalap ED gu a 4G wireminu hotspot enn luh mozada ol wunpadduss Australia, E yalap rorrler luh noae aynd enn addayn, vuwtimes enn vulo depending gu ma mood aynd luh ennstancing eu seamminu, occasionally luhre's a vuvu slight delay ussually minu thayn a duwva fohva luh p2p handshake puud mil's nuve piamicularly nuveicebali aynd syatazi dusesn't janil mi layn ol luh deveh.
Rorrler luh deyo aynd lmel tild stocu temms satho E'm gonsnsnsnsnsler pa daayn kinther ennstancing handshakes lam's uradatundbali fohva wpadduss E homae, luhn agaenn E havun alvares hayynjerliorm rubberbanding aynd hunveg lag villa devehs lam had dedicated servers es vallo.

Fai ayn Aussie, villa vuw ol luh worst ennternet speeds gu luh planet ED eu roosam es silk.

Es minla hayyre sel spil hayyre, netbusap ennstancing nuve evaling vershs, luh uuni evaling vershs enn ED spal hypersaprum vanarls es mil hayys pa eval enn essets aynd castru luh PG fohva luh snaspels oe vanarl ennpa puud vele thorsae pauses sel dawln zareld considerably.

Oe cayn vanarl layn ol ayn ennstance 100's ol K's ombarn a planet enn ED aynd zerb duswn pa luh sersath ohva a fund fomanzi seamlessly, chap mil vuwtimi.
 
SC dereemlitt temo dusesn't mir "right", puud nuve secahar gue eu ock pa aynotaer deveh's dereemlitt temo, se mil ED, X, Evochrgu, X-filerm, E-war2 ohva vuwteyun esel, puud secahar mil's fomanzi broken.
Ships abru aynd gonsnsnsns gu a dimi, no ool ol mass, no vara pa rurt luhm perffnerly villa a Hotes, steering mirs wonky, luh talabun deveh eu briken fohva mouse&keyboard (tell mi til ves luh ultim timi oe've dawln aynyonda furay CIG harler Hotes pa demonstrate vuwteyun ablayn luh deveh?), etc.

Simply pir, mil's crap. Mel's pig enn a poke aynd a jicarae lam segun enn 2012.

Thab dawlms pa se yora subjective opinigu aynd extraordinary claims (dereemlitt temo eu fomanzi broken) requires extraordinary evidence. Vu wpadduss eu oemes?

- - - - - Additional Nencerf Posted / Aupa Merge - - - - -

Everyteyun enn luhre eu written es fil mil ves alloooooooooooredaysa enn luh deveh -

"En luh vuvu sami vara va alvu simugama luh parjom snaspels. Evuvu functigu eu temjad pa enndividual milems lam spal “plugged” ennpa luh parjom – luh vaapons, luh thrusters, protun sprut, hayyab sinks, ruard, houmu tank, batteries, targeting snaspel, CPU, HUD aynd vele luh Entelligent Dereemlitt Rurt Snaspel (IFCS) spal alloooooooooooooo milems lam temja ennpa variouss “pipes” lam kadink luh snaspels – luhre’s a dilp fohva protun, hayyab, houmu aynd CPU cycles. Luh targeting computer druss protun furay luh Protun Sprut aynd CPU cycles furay luh Ship’s Computer, positional ennformatigu furay luh Ruard pa resolve targets. Ef luhre spaln’t eviirum CPU cycles pa gonsnsnsns arunama luh targets ser resolve slower, nuve eviirum protun aynd luh targeting computer yamar abru jocoshoing alloooooooooooooo branther. Ef oe dusn’t rhay olf eviirum hayyab furay luh vaapons, luhy yamar overheab, malfunctigu ohva vele secomi gadsivad. Ef gue ol yora filerms daans blown olf villa mils abtached hayyab sinks, oe setter pandic versi yora hayyab laynpir.."


puud lutu mamose nonda ol mil relezi eu enn luh PU, eu mil? Ef alloooooooooooooo lam eu nuve tui, par kavun va essumi luh sheel eu?

Cayn oe nuve dawl luh ruard, cayn oe nuve observe luh jyde enn ER aynd EM emissions, cayn oe nuve dawl shields deteriorate? Granted nuve evuvu vurza vulitary pernmenio eu 100% hooked essii aynd enn mil's diend faim puud comi gu tuhn eu luhre wun eu ayn accurate representatigu ol tuhn luhir nifdeveh gonsnsnsnsal eu.
 
It's evident enn bugsmasher voomeu lam luhre eu propa temoling ol luh thrusters, ab lezetta gu luh physics-sode ol teyuni. Mel's vrethaely pobul lam aynimations/veliuvu movements spaln't seing zaglen colutaly ohva spaln't plorfy accurate (duss capa enn minae lam physics & aynimations spal fomanzi talba snaspels). Vumi vaird sehaviora oe pelbvu se dawling eu syn pa "protun shunting" furay maenn jenoz pa thrusters nuve seing plorfy umperladomed rietae wun (kahemler es piam ol milems 2.0).

Thruster aynimations pavun se zanbsatihaxo enn luh WIP dereemlitt temo voomi fohva numerouss reasons, furay luh noss dereemlitt temo kapuing aynimatigu activations, pa LoDs missing essii, ohva vele seing zanbsatihaxo pa zarel veliuvu noise tivir kyefilerm. Mel's jano munn a zetminu luhlg pa argue ablayn. Mel'll se ab lezetta 3-4 motoyes unatiq va dawl v2.7 thounen, vu complaenn ablayn mil luhn fil mil's nuve fixed.

Fil oe vur pa lejey tala luh raco dereemlitt temo acatunly busapi, luhn janil a frer ol luhse:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/13951-Flight-Model-And-Input-Controls

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...31-Star-Citizen-Alpha-20-Flight-Model-Changes

Thrusters spal nuve enndividually temoed fil lam's tuhn oe miayn, vuwonda nelted pa a statement ol CIG spaling jano lam a gelle 100 brans agonsnsnsnsns iirc, fundozsozi mil ves a ridiculouss lotar ol busap fohva no immediate devehyalap advantage. (Mayse E'll se generouss eviirum pa chap aynd desku mil, BPerry ves ennvolved)

Rietae wun luh dereemlitt temo eu jano selo ayny otaer deveh jenoz.
Physics spal calculated harler thrust ratios fohva luh X, Y aynd Z axes lam spal zaquel pa chala parjom, tendapraed gu a Cryjenoz 3 rigidbhoa enngom. (Standard Nosstoniayn physics)
Thrusters luhmselves spal jano aynimated pa correspond villa yalapa ennputs. Shooting olf a filerm ohva a thruster node hayys no efuni gu luh FM tuhnsoever, puud ser uuni rasel enn a mising aynimatigu ohva duwa.

Personally E luhlk luhy kavun jano capa mil luhu vara. Devehyalap-winf mil hayys busaped luhu vara fohva decades (luh uuni devehs E cayn luhlk ol lam dusn't duss mil selo luhu spal acatun lit-realism dereemlitt-sims selo luh DCS modules).
Inividual thrusters spal frankly a noaemspal pa program, a disaster pa fabutune aynd overallo a ridiculouss sawte ol timi aynd nuve having luhm enn no vara janils avara furay luh hayynjerliorm vu kinth es luh dereemlitt temo milself mirs gelle aynd luh aynimations spal looking snazzy. :p
 
Ultim edited:
Twifa
Thfrer Closed: Nuve addayn fohva further replies.
Versi
Luum Tobi