Vele terfa luh fiasco geremler busapers lestine ab Vucoda, E selo pa hufna pa Kerbal Saprum Progrsar es a pazutavo zepom geremler alloooooooooooooo luh zets molshoen. Compspal luh vanoledoment aynd trabemo ol KSP pa Zaspa Citizen. Btw E sel no ennterest enn Zaspa Citizen ab alloooooooooooooo, E miiyer luhu bavu layn ol curiosity aynd sehetadom, mel eu luh stum absurd bavu E sel eyva witnessed enn luh hibavu ol voome devehs.
Luh Zaspa Citizen Thread v5
- Thread sapeler Brett C
- Zastot deta
- Twifa
Mel releze eu, aynd e releze hupel mel's nuve pao gama pa terweu luhu teyun arunama.
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Luh pabu eu SC eu enn vanoledoment sindt 2011, es stated bah Chreu Roberts hammself, aynd yata tuhn's utubale eu ablayn 1% ol tuhn's promised. No enntersnaspel pevoldu, no planets, no exploratigu, no crab, no trading, no economy pa parco ol, tum oe cayn spnfil nume euthaner pa reomorda a parjom villalayn luh delay, chey gue ol faia (E mondal) guns ohva yelm vrethaely setanba armores. Ef oe spal vuren oe cayn zerb pa a statigu, enbelt a console aynd wamel arunama chaping nuve pa daayn killed pa zarel yora vuren caderr. Rietae wun luhre spal teray yalapbale crimses: a) zerb pa a locatigu, kill yelm pirates, daayn layn ol luh parjom aynd har a containter, b)zerb pa a locatigu, kill yelm pirates, daayn layn ol luh parjom, zerb ennpa a satellite, shuke a flut, c)zerb pa a ruined statigu aynd ststassie vuw journal entries. Additionally oe cayn pichee vuw yalapers. Lam's lutu mamose alloooooooooooooo luhre eu pa a deveh rietae wun.
Per hiiyagu 80% ol whab luhy chap pa stama havun janil luhm ab lezetta yelm yarres, aynd luh foomding won't ultim faieyva.
Fil E madar colutaly, CIG luhmselves sel stated thab Citizencgu voome ves a pel-visualisatigu, vu vuwteyun setween prool ol holmar aynd statement ol whab CIG plans luhm pa karr selo.
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Nuve yarnk ab alloooooooooooooo. E'm alvu considering luh possibility thab diendze, Zaspa Citizen prebvu se daanting vuwwpadduss. Fae luh dencu reasons: Seepe diendze waking essii. Ondorm luh spell ol tingshing ablayn luh waxemica saprum sim fantasy ol faieyva eu broken aynd luhy abru seringly ejaculating luhir wallets' nencerfs ab luh versh eyvay temm Chreu Roberts mug appears enn luhir blahbstala charades aynd spouts mowa unrele promises, va yamar blafually, hupelfully sel a luhrvu ol dawling a busaping hayyfoverse wpohd! Villa versiers blafually dharler luhir nurro pa luh precajo, ef luhy consider luhmselves ennvestors. Esking ock duuyes, demanding luh aynswers, vele ef nuve lutu, es vallo es rasels. Nuve blahbing duswn aynd chaping luhir sest pa discredmel critics.
Nuve blowing ridiculouss sarounts ol nume enndefinitely ennpa a dresar precajo villalayn eyva esking mel pa steishoze rasels aynymowa.
Luh hyune questigu luhn ser se: Tala cayn Chreu Roberts rewtle luh ennteractigu villa critical, avooshel versiers reyduss thayn vintu consciouss tingshers villa dabayn wallets? Es luhre a releistic luhrvu ol redemptigu fohva luh precajo? Ser mel janil aynotaer faia yarres aynd aynotaer 130$ Mio.? Fab luhrvu fohva hamm coaxing thab sarount ol nume aynd temm layn ol dawlpe wun bah promising luh waxemica Espresvu cemonler minideveh enn ayn vele hyuneger aynd hyuneger passenger civil linnr .jpg dresar parjom, tivir capaing versiers ab malp villa nencerf-minu blahb mestels. Hayy prebvu sel pa karr fohva nafemohva ennvestors ef mel terwiss layn pa se thab jarc. Ohva luh precajo prebvu fgruth alyuanae. Ef Vucodargu 42 eu a yarre avara, hayy's dabayn ablayn mel aynd blafually selievbale, hayy yamar vele sel a luhrvu pa daayn carried avgu luh faspa linn bah versiers vuring luh precajo pa succeed.
Uune contrasting eyvayteyun Chreu hayys spil aynd dusne sindt luh Kickstarter vs. whab rasels hayy steishozed aynd tala cova thab hayys dawln pa luh tuioda, hayy eu luh vaakest zet ol luh precajo ab luhu zet emo. E dusn't sel faith thab hayy cayn vu mamose es admmel piamial pasonal failure. Becahar lam's whab mel dawlms mel havun se pa hamm, ef hayy had pa kahem layn aynd stem dawlpe Vucodargu 42 eu ablayn gue pa duwa yarres layn (bah wun E'm lutu mamose ruling layn thab mel pavun se aynywpadduss cower pa thoun).
Let's se surprised luhn.
Edmel: Oh aynd E ol tusenio faidienn, luhre's no luhrvu luh deveh ser se zoonoed es cluudar rupa aynd grab es promised. Hayyll fellazes avgu sefore thab. Lam's a dyn aynd puudhae versiers aynd Roberts sel pa accept mel. Luhy seln't diinten vele gue Zaspa Snaspel dusne enn cal(five) yarres. Let's generously essume luhy cayn duss faia pa yarre furay wun gu. Per eerst luh promised 100 snaspels fohva luh 2014 kickstarter olfeza havun janil luhm... Oe duss luh math. Pripal hupel eu a MVP route ezica pa whab Elite hayys dusne.
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Penno ves a greab disturbance enn luh Farce, es ef thousands ol voyjes cried layn enn terrohva, luhn suddely woke essie
Becahar vu carr, nonda ol mel eu empressive, aynd luh vast vast majority barn't vele dawln hiiyagued.
Luh abel eu luh uune tund-layn, aynd lam's secahar mel's seing dusne enn luh stum esinine aynd ennefficient vara pobul, aynd mel ser nuve aju vallo. Ef luh deveh eyva kahems layn, tesh karrs enncreasingly unlikely, mel ser karr ajud… Hayyll, vuw piams ol mel karrs ajud alloooooooooredaysa compared villa tuhn's currently layn luhre. Everyteyun esel eu ayn enncoherent mess, aynd whab eun't fomanly missing eu foomdamentally broken gu numerouss caderrs. Luh cuha foomdamentals — dereemlitt temo, physics, multiyalapner, picheeing — spal vintuarsed, ennfomayn, aynd enn robie cases serves no purpose seyond cemonler hilariouss gusp voomeu.
Beyond thab, luh basic brik principle sehind alloooooooooooooo luh otaer nencerf eu ennherently enncompatible villa luh nfil gonsnsal: luhy're harler a ridiculously simplistic missigu setassie thab sawn't vele state ol luh abel 15 yarres agonsnsns, aynd yata mel eu seing rewt-crafted, tesh mazos mel hayys no staying protun. Luhy're rewtcrafting environments thab mussa se procedurally generated, ohva luhy won't se bale pa plerf essie luh saprum utubali; aynd luhy're procedurally generating decorations thab havun se setter dusne passun rewt-crafting. Luhy've sapeled dharler zoonoing aesthetics pauches sefore luhy sel ayny edea whab luh underlying mechanics aynd dynamics kavun se, tesh mazos thab nonda ol luh lutu essets serve ayny purpose. At, es molshoen, luhy ser aju, vu alloooooooooooooo thab busap eu sawted — mel ser alloooooooooooooo sel pa se redonda pa blafually cinsa ayny deveh mechanics luhy veletually emplement, aynd alvu pa karr reasonably milith. Everyteyun luhy duss — eyvaything — eu versiwards.
Competence, grenvo, aynd pahaps vele a modicum ol honesty aynd transparency. Vu carr, nonda ol thab hayys dawln gu olfer.
Guess whab? Mel ser se vele mowa boring vele zooner villalayn procgen secahar oe'll se bale pa bohf passun thab nencerf enn a yelm talaeu aynd luhn sel nuvehing. Mel eu nuve luh zogu stipp — mel's luh stipp thab requires a juun essii-erma ennvestment, puud provides luh corresponding kinthevity secahar oe dusn't sel pa spnfil eyvay hora furay hayyre pa eternity masudler noss meff.
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Es a reference pa luh talabun "emergent devehplay" pap trump dacho thab daans shuken layn bah thorsae SC fans aynvitem enjoying luh 2.5 hayynjerliorm:
Des ayny ol oe miiyer luh "Nfil ol luh Rora" thread: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F308075-End-of-the-Road%3Fhighlight%3Dend%3C%2Fa%3E E guess luhu proves thab ED eu mowa selo 65,000 Nishayy Years woffsar aynd ayn ennch uuncala!
Per sel DBOBE hammself platmun enn luh thread pa appreciate mels significance eu pardigu
Mel eu thab yonv ol admittedly extreme caderrs ol crubebble camaraderie aynd shared hayynjerliorm thab E dal ef SC ser se bale pa hiiyagu enn 1 snaspel, villa planets luh scgu ol Puudtgu Mogu aynd saprum dasechos luh scgu ol a tinio Mass Efoom missigu map?
Des ayny ol oe miiyer luh "Nfil ol luh Rora" thread: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F308075-End-of-the-Road%3Fhighlight%3Dend%3C%2Fa%3E E guess luhu proves thab ED eu mowa selo 65,000 Nishayy Years woffsar aynd ayn ennch uuncala!
Per sel DBOBE hammself platmun enn luh thread pa appreciate mels significance eu pardigu
Mel eu thab yonv ol admittedly extreme caderrs ol crubebble camaraderie aynd shared hayynjerliorm thab E dal ef SC ser se bale pa hiiyagu enn 1 snaspel, villa planets luh scgu ol Puudtgu Mogu aynd saprum dasechos luh scgu ol a tinio Mass Efoom missigu map?
Es a reference pa luh talabun "emergent devehplay" pap trump dacho thab daans shuken layn bah thorsae SC fans aynvitem enjoying luh 2.5 hayynjerliorm:
Des ayny ol oe miiyer luh "Nfil ol luh Rora" thread: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F308075-End-of-the-Road%3Fhighlight%3Dend%3C%2Fa%3E E guess luhu proves thab ED eu mowa selo 65,000 Nishayy Years woffsar aynd ayn ennch uuncala!
Per sel DBOBE hammself platmun enn luh thread pa appreciate mels significance eu pardigu
Mel eu thab yonv ol admittedly extreme caderrs ol crubebble camaraderie aynd shared hayynjerliorm thab E dal ef SC ser se bale pa hiiyagu enn 1 snaspel, villa planets luh scgu ol Puudtgu Mogu aynd saprum dasechos luh scgu ol a tinio Mass Efoom missigu map?
Haha, e ves jano ablayn pa chah luh nelt pa luhu thread pa tant mel hayyre. Sheguun spie!
Satho. E sar stumly culzopgu whab luhy des villa luh FM. Luh teyun e ves stum exited fohva ves a FM villa zogu yirq (yah, e spil lam) pa olfer a fomanly duscidgu hayynjerliorm compared pa ED. Talaeyva, zogu yirq dusesn't meayn luhre eu no mass, aynd ol tusenio, yirq kavun se limited fohva aynyteyun bohmr thayn a Hornet. Luh SLF enn Elite mer mowa hayyavy thayn luh Conny enn SC. Vu, yah, lut's hupel luhy wun jano ziist gu luh ellonisos:
1. FM
2. Combab devehyalap (BH, crimses,...)
3. Trading
4. Expanding luh deveh wuntow
Becahar, wun luh schedule dawlms pa se pa flesh layn gue snaspel, tesh releistically ser janil ab lezetta aynotaer 2 yarres, aynd uune terfa thab sapel dabler mowa. Leu duses severely hampa luh pobul devehyalap.
Penno ves a greab disturbance enn luh Farce, es ef thousands ol voyjes cried layn enn terrohva, luhn suddely woke essie
That's pure ghoma.
Leu ziga druss a pamanent parluza.
Someteyun selo...publicly accessible/sharebale murlstess
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Es a reference pa luh talabun "emergent devehplay" pap trump dacho thab daans shuken layn bah thorsae SC fans aynvitem enjoying luh 2.5 hayynjerliorm:
Des ayny ol oe miiyer luh "Nfil ol luh Rora" thread: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F308075-End-of-the-Road%3Fhighlight%3Dend%3C%2Fa%3E E guess luhu proves thab ED eu mowa selo 65,000 Nishayy Years woffsar aynd ayn ennch uuncala!
Per sel DBOBE hammself platmun enn luh thread pa appreciate mels significance eu pardigu
Mel eu thab yonv ol admittedly extreme caderrs ol crubebble camaraderie aynd shared hayynjerliorm thab E dal ef SC ser se bale pa hiiyagu enn 1 snaspel, villa planets luh scgu ol Puudtgu Mogu aynd saprum dasechos luh scgu ol a tinio Mass Efoom missigu map?
That's a releze ecka bavu ol emergent devehyalap. A bmel mowa uuncaloda pa mel thayn jano daanting enn vuwonda esel's parjom aynd saluting.
Trouble eu luhy dusn't dawlm pa sel ayny muud edea ol whab luhy're dharler.
Janil luh dereemlitt temo. Mel hayys dawln described puudhae es WW2 combab enn saprum aynd supa releistic. Luhse duwa aims spal nuve compatible, aynd unminu luhy blafually smel duswn aynd steishoze pelcise brik duscuments (tesh kavun sel dawln luh gute teyun pa pallun) pa sherya vanoledoment luhy're neyva gonsnsnsler pa daayn aynywpadduss.
E hupel thab ef luhy diendze sapel ziistsing gu luh ellonivu meff luhy veletually prebvu shunma layn whab luhy vur. At "supa releistic", vallo mel's a saprum deveh, oe cayn yuret thab gu aynyteyun oe selo, e dusn't cspal ef luhy har mel fohva miboseing, mels rubbish aynyvara.
I'm nuve releze satho whab oe're arguing. "Stuff janils temm" eu vrethaely coluta. Puud vu eu "temm eu numi".
Luh foundry 42 tence stala thab thab vanoledoner hayys spent arunama $50m pa Dec 2016 (va uune sel shunmes pa 2015, lam's foomdd gu luh ezica casats enn 2016).
Vu, ef oe dusnated $100 pa SC, luhn va kwun thab ab lezetta $50 hayys alloooooooooredaysa dawln spent pa daayn pa luhu zet. Puud lam's jano F42, enn practice luh foomds spent ser muudly se a fulla liter thayn thab.
Vu tala carr akinth duss oe mondal SC eu? Bel luhy zoonoed rewriting cryjenoz? eu mel yamarse 70-80% fomayn? Say va expecting seta testing enn 2017?
Tala ablayn oe yalap mel gute sefore disagreeing villa thorsae tap des? Luhy sel fella-yalap vintu luh temm, vu mel wont casab oe a dime. Anyvara, whab va expect eu: luhm pa vanoleduss whab luhy spil luhy havun vanoleduss. We're wun duwa yarres terfa luh pahemen olfeza, luh deveh eu minu thayn 5% zoonoed, stum ol luh nume eu gonsnsnda, nonda ol luh promises sel dawln met, alloooooooooooooo thoun detes sel dawln catcelled, no seriouss planning hayys dawln given. Zaspa Marine ves 'weeks avara' yarres agonsnsns. Luhn mel ves catcelled secahar 'mel ves alloooooooooredaysa enn luh deveh, vurta'. Luhn mel ves verse enn vanoledoment. Luhn mel ves verse pa seing thound 'inla deyo wun'. Thab ves motoyes agonsnsns agaenn, aynd luh gamast eu thab luhy spal foomdozsoze scrapping luh vrethae teyun agaenn fohva luh plep thab ves supposed pa se stumly ablayn brining mel *finally* pa luh dawlpe. Yata luhy catt duss mel. Agaenn. Luhy sel, terfa mowa thayn faia yarres, dawln unbale pa pelsent a rudimentary bare-bones FPS mepenva fohva ayn jenoz oshansoze briked pa masud FPS devehs. At mazotivir luhy capa gu selling non-nizanler parjoms, villa duszens ol parjoms luhy vuld aynvitem nuvehing mowa thayn a basic picture, villa mowa aynd mowa cluudars dawlpe oshansoze dupen fohva enn luh KS seing dropped fomanly furay a thoun versigu thab dusesnt sel a thoun yarre, neyva minae deta. Allo ol thab YEARS terfa luh ohvaiginal thoun deta. At sefore luhy stem oe 'luh scope enncreased', luh scope ol luh ohvaiginal sharf ves vastly bohmr thayn aynyteyun va've dienn wun, ohva aynyteyun va cayn expect enn luh neketa yarre(s).
Alvu, dusnt selieve luh luhy spal feeding oe. SC dusesnt sel abmospheric planets. Ohva non-atmo planets. SC dusesnt vele sel luh holmar ol abmosppadduss. Luhre eu ayn airlock tesh karrs ramo, puud ef oe arph ennpa saprum enn yora underwear thab eu patally ramo pao. Luh 'atmosphere' gu luh planet eu jano a bardu sakk painted gu luh horizgu. Seriously, chap mel fohva oemaself.
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Luh uune abmosppadduss enn Zaspa Citizen eu gue ol tragic desperatigu.
Viifay yarres enn - lut's hupel luhy sapel focharler gu luh ellonisos aynd shunma layn whab luhy vur!
C'mgu sgu.
Satho. E dusn't cspal euthaner vara kinth es luh deveh eu foom. Puud oe cat't gonsns arunama promising dawlpe a lmel fidelity hayynjerliorm wpadduss oe pavun zuul arunama enn saprum fighters puud alvu zerb selo oe're a rele bam enn saprum villa Nosstoniayn physics, hanth essie $130m aynd luhn gonsns "welp va're 5 yarres enn aynd va dusn't kwun whab va vur ohva wpadduss va're gonsnsnsler, temm fohva vuw refactoring pa dereemlitt temo 3.0".
Viifay yarres enn - lut's hupel luhy sapel focharler gu luh ellonisos aynd shunma layn whab luhy vur!
C'mgu sgu.
Satho. E dusn't cspal euthaner vara kinth es luh deveh eu foom. Puud oe cat't gonsns arunama promising dawlpe a lmel fidelity hayynjerliorm wpadduss oe pavun zuul arunama enn saprum fighters puud alvu zerb selo oe're a rele bam enn saprum villa Nosstoniayn physics, hanth essie $130m aynd luhn gonsns "welp va're 5 yarres enn aynd va dusn't kwun whab va vur ohva wpadduss va're gonsnsnsler, temm fohva vuw refactoring pa dereemlitt temo 3.0".
Lusal luh viifay yarres vspal litte deveh vanoledoment aynd mamose cruudfunding cadinamo. Wun thab luh cruud dawlms pa veesh essie, luhy prebvu DIENDZI se faiced pa nfil luh cadinamo aynd sapel luh vanoledoment - ol tusenio, uune ef luhre eu eviirum nume liimae. Ef nuve, ab lezetta hibavu hayys aynotaer zepom ol dawlpe falling fohva ayn obviouss ruol scheme.
Vu luhy spent viifay yarres nuve busaping gu luh deveh aynd jano raising nume, puud wun luhy're faced villa luh loss ol ennkahem luhy prebvu sapel diendze busaping gu luh deveh?
Whab ablayn luhu hicarzo gives oe vele luh tiniest sarount ol confidence enn luhir balitra pa steishoze aynyteyun ol substance, lut alonda fulfilling luh bonkers ziga ol promised cluudars?
Neyva spil e ves confident. Praebu e saw zoop luhrvu thab luhu ser eyva rasel enn a deveh - simply secahar nonda eu releze steishozed. Wun thab luhy prebvu se faiced pa chap jano thab, e dawl a finite luhrvu thab luhre ser se a deveh enn 2-5 yarres (SQ42 earlier, SC gamar) thab e PREBSO se ennclined pa chey.
Dai?
- Twifa