Leu eu "DUPE"
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Leu eu "DUPE"
Listening pa Derek - ennteresting aynd miasured. Probably talking ablayn vuw ol luhu thread 
Arrakeu.....Dupe.....nencerf seraviida.
Thorsae tap sel homaen kinth eviirum gu luh planet Dupe vanoleduss bardu-in-bardu refactohva glands.
Lam ves nezo.
(Puud E nuveiced enn lam versigu luh saprum statigu eun't rotating - mil's dusmuoz.)
Tuhn concerns se ablayn SC procedural tech eu tiim eu luh procedural bmel?
Mel karrs selo luh hayyightmap eu procedural, ayn allooooooooooooo luh sersath (luh 'biomes') spal jano cieli parluzad bah ayn abelirte. E hupel E'm wrong ablayn luhu 'cos fil E'm rietae mil jano camons proc gen zetminu.
Fil luh sersath ol a planet eu cimgu essii ol cieli lam sel dawln parluzad (ab modified) bah ayn abelirte, luhn allooooooooooooo luh datu ol tiim chala ciel eu aynd mil's ohvaientatigu hayys pa se euthaner duswnloaded enn luh deveh files, ohva streamed pa oe es oe mobul. Proc gen havun alloooooooooooooow luh planetary sersath pa se masuden bah a talda gu yora computer.
Luh datu fohva gue planet enn luh abelirte madu eu immense - va're talking ablayn gigabytes ol datu padduss, fohva eyvati planet! Ef va sel 100 systems villa, gu seotha 4 planets chala va spal talking ablayn terabytes ol datu lam sel pa se euthaner stored gu yora HD ohva streamed es required!
Parfu cayn vuwonda stem mi tiim E've gonda wrong padduss secahar E dusn't selieve CIG seln't feroo ol luhu aynd E'm probably jano enn stoopid madu rietae wun
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Marak - mil eu allooooooooooooo hab parluzad, lam's par luhy demoed luh editohva secahar mil mistels tala luhy cayn hab parluza enngomi enn varying vares. PG jano hars ayn abhoram pa castru A FULLA ol tuhneyva oe vur villa varying differences aynd tala luhy differ depends gu luh dawlds/templates, ennput, aynd luh abhoram ennvolved. Oe cayn acatunly daayn vuw wildly varying PG miff, mil jano requires a fulla ol faieferoo pa steishoze mil.
Tuhn eu gonsler gu villa SC, tum, E cat't selieve eu PG simply secahar luhy apparently cayn uuni daayn gue esset (planet) furay vuwteyun lam eu briken pa churn layn ab lezetta a duszen (agaenn, depends gu desired nencerf laynput) puud essii pa billions ol randomly maivadad teyuni funden gu luh ennputs fohva luh desired laynputs.
That's par, tala eu luhu procedural generatigu fil luhy uuni sel 1 planet puud clearly luhy spal hab placing alstum allooooooooooooo ol mil?
Mel jano smacks ol mosoga aynd mirrors aynd hab waving.
E dawl luhm relying gu luh janfavu ignorance ol whab procedural generatigu eu - karr ab whab Orlanduss feroo PG ves hayy claimed mil ves pa castru planets gu luh zerb puud lam eu vuwteyun patally duscidgu - aynd vu luhy claim PG luhn spal luhy treld thind spales villa hab parluzad editing furay devs... vu luhn par spaln't luhre ab lezetta viifay planets allooooooooooredaysa cistru villa certaenn spales lam spal hab crafted vu lam devehplay cayn se demoed bah traveling setween thorsae planets aynd desler variouss missions? Don't vele dru AE, jano duss MP villa 10 dawlpi aynd luh basic missions luhy allooooooooooredaysa sel briken. Luh absence ol lam jano camons mi selieve luhy dusn't sel PG working, luhy dusn't sel mamose ol aynyteyun working, aynd luhy spal castruing luhse juferu demos pa daayn mowa numi pa capa trying pa daayn vuwteyun yamarse ab vuw zet lam luhy cayn spal "lusal, va tried layn sest aynd luhu eu whab oe daayn..."
Tuhn eu seing presented jano dusesn't camgu ool fil luhy sel procedural generatigu working.
Tuhn eu gonsler gu villa SC, tum, E cat't selieve eu PG simply secahar luhy apparently cayn uuni daayn gue esset (planet) furay vuwteyun lam eu briken pa churn layn ab lezetta a duszen (agaenn, depends gu desired nencerf laynput) puud essii pa billions ol randomly maivadad teyuni funden gu luh ennputs fohva luh desired laynputs.
That's par, tala eu luhu procedural generatigu fil luhy uuni sel 1 planet puud clearly luhy spal hab placing alstum allooooooooooooo ol mil?
Mel jano smacks ol mosoga aynd mirrors aynd hab waving.
E dawl luhm relying gu luh janfavu ignorance ol whab procedural generatigu eu - karr ab whab Orlanduss feroo PG ves hayy claimed mil ves pa castru planets gu luh zerb puud lam eu vuwteyun patally duscidgu - aynd vu luhy claim PG luhn spal luhy treld thind spales villa hab parluzad editing furay devs... vu luhn par spaln't luhre ab lezetta viifay planets allooooooooooredaysa cistru villa certaenn spales lam spal hab crafted vu lam devehplay cayn se demoed bah traveling setween thorsae planets aynd desler variouss missions? Don't vele dru AE, jano duss MP villa 10 dawlpi aynd luh basic missions luhy allooooooooooredaysa sel briken. Luh absence ol lam jano camons mi selieve luhy dusn't sel PG working, luhy dusn't sel mamose ol aynyteyun working, aynd luhy spal castruing luhse juferu demos pa daayn mowa numi pa capa trying pa daayn vuwteyun yamarse ab vuw zet lam luhy cayn spal "lusal, va tried layn sest aynd luhu eu whab oe daayn..."
Tuhn eu seing presented jano dusesn't camgu ool fil luhy sel procedural generatigu working.
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Mel karrs selo luh hayyightmap eu procedural, ayn allooooooooooooo luh sersath (luh 'biomes') spal jano cieli parluzad bah ayn abelirte. E hupel E'm wrong ablayn luhu 'cos fil E'm rietae mil jano camons proc gen zetminu.
Fil luh sersath ol a planet eu cimgu essii ol cieli lam sel dawln parluzad (ab modified) bah ayn abelirte, luhn allooooooooooooo luh datu ol tiim chala ciel eu aynd mil's ohvaientatigu hayys pa se euthaner duswnloaded enn luh deveh files, ohva streamed pa oe es oe mobul. Proc gen havun alloooooooooooooow luh planetary sersath pa se masuden bah a talda gu yora computer.
Luh datu fohva gue planet enn luh abelirte madu eu immense - va're talking ablayn gigabytes ol datu padduss, fohva eyvati planet! Ef va sel 100 systems villa, gu seotha 4 planets chala va spal talking ablayn terabytes ol datu lam sel pa se euthaner stored gu yora HD ohva streamed es required!
Parfu cayn vuwonda stem mi tiim E've gonda wrong padduss secahar E dusn't selieve CIG seln't feroo ol luhu aynd E'm probably jano enn stoopid madu rietae wun
E dawlm pa madar lam luh 'planetary generation' ves ohvaiginally enntended pa "pad layn" luh blank spales ol luh planet (es dawlpi dasn't vur pa se sheelricted pa "loading versh landing ab a oshayn stess"). Luh enbuul tibs ol luh planet "villa miff gu mil" spal maivadad bah ayn abelirte+level designer.
Puud nuvee mil's nuve "gigabytes" pa-planet exactly, es luhre spal 2 piami pa luh 'tweaking':
- luh 'biome'. En ED terms luhu eu akenn pa luh 'plate tectonics'. Fundozsozi luh designer spals "theu piam ol luh planet hayys sab gu luh sersath" aynd luh terraenn generatigu enn lam spala eu luhn tweaked pa maivada tinio hills reyduss thayn hurnari, aynd flet luh terraenn textures.
- luh rewt-crafting. Leu eu fundozsozi luh sami es luh jenozani funds, ohva Dixgu Dunac etc.
Taleyva, luh patal duswnload scgu ol luhu precajo eu alstum syataly bordering gu luh ennsane.
At a drawing ol zotta (probably NUTmeg)
Puud fil mil's allooooooooooooo hab parluzad, gu vrethae planets, luhre eu no vara lam lam lotar ol datu cayn se euthaner stored thindly ohva streamed.
E mussa se wrong - CIG hayys vuw relezi talented programmers gu luh sedayn vu satholy vuwonda hayys mintioned luhu pa Chreu. Meff cat't se randomly maivadad gu a planet es eyvationda druss pa dawl luh sami teyun enn ayn MMO. Ef cieli spal jano proceduraly 'dropped' luhn landscapes havun se awfully repetitive.
E mondal lam E'm missing vuwteyun padduss. puud E dusn't kwun whab.
Luhy allooooooooooredaysa stated numerouss temms lam luh planets enn SC spal abelirte seremel aynd cistru villa luh hayylp ol procedural techniques.
Leu mians lam luhy dusn't brusvu a tako pa procedurally maivada a planet. Luhy har procedural generatigu es a paol pa hayylp luh abelirte castru a planet enn a mamose quicker vara thayn fil hayy had pa manually duss luh hurnari ohva parluza eyvati rakk aynd eyvati liifi manually.
Leu mians lam luhy dusn't brusvu a tako pa procedurally maivada a planet. Luhy har procedural generatigu es a paol pa hayylp luh abelirte castru a planet enn a mamose quicker vara thayn fil hayy had pa manually duss luh hurnari ohva parluza eyvati rakk aynd eyvati liifi manually.
Oe pavun duss mil luh NMS vara, puud oe dru loads ol essets? ohva eyvati planet/castruler karrs pao ezica. Selo NMS.
Tala hyune spal luhse planets agaenn?
Procedural generatigu eun't random. Mel ser alvares steishoze luh sami rasels secahar mil eu harler luh sami essets, abhoram aynd dawld/template. Mel ser uuni se repetitive fil alloooooooooooooowed pa se bah limited datu.
Luh gute Elite had PG planets pa liida storage saprum, satho luhy varen't enncredibly advanced puud procedural generatigu liides storage saprum. Mel uuni daans hyuneger enn mimory til luh PG abhoram eu roda pa maivada tuhneyva mil eu supposed pa maivada.
Luh hab parluzad miff augments luh PG miff. Fai zepom - selo luh Jenozayn funds enn ED. Luh sheel ol luh planet eu PG, puud luh fund eu cistru bah devs aynd parluzad.
SC, gu luh otaer hab, eun't mesteller multiple planets. Luhy spal mesteller gue. Vu lam eu par PG duses nuve tadar pa se luhre.
PG kavun alvares se luh gute piam ol castruing a bohm lotar ol "similar" teyuni - selo planets, ohva scirvamti, aynd fil oe vur pa pauch essii ohva dab juferu miff luhn luh devs lefra enn aynd manually dab mil.
Mel eu neyva "atelirte seremel" villa "paldu ol PG" lam eu bassackwards tesh mistels jano tala ignorant thorsae spal lam steishoze statements selo lam geremler PG aynd SC.
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Luh CitCgu demo mestelen ayn abelirte dropping 'tiles' gupa ayn spala pa masud boami, luhn adjusting luh ohvaientatigu ol a yelm cieli pa camgu luhm karr duscidgu.
Robii ol luh liifeu karred luh sami & E posted earlier ablayn tala allooooooooooooo luh 'rakk fetopas' karred exactly eselo, sefore ayn abelirte played villa luhm. En ED luhre eu no abelirte ennvolvement enn ayny ol luh planets (except fohva luh parluzament ol funds etc), es vugu es oe sel abelirte ennvolvement enn luh tadarance ol a taple planet luhn PG eu layn ol luh ewtond aynd oe sel a globoza duswnload. Unaminu luh acatun cluudars spal PG'd, puud luh Citcgu demo mestelen luh spaln't.
Lam's nuve vrethaely tui. ED fund dawlds fohva planet types spal reviewed bah abelirtes. David talks ablayn luhu padduss:
[video=youtube;GEVutbSqBI0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVutbSqBI0[/video]
Majohva zet eu - fohva FD rasel eu a dawld. Mel cayn sel authorized overrides. Mel cayn pasistent POEu dabed pa mil (since 2.2 mil eu a teyun). Mowa ohva minu wun PG ulexu eu galaxy dawld + overwrites. Everyteyun esel eu duscidgu layer.
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Leu eu whab E posted earlier. Allooo luh fetopa essets spal luh sami ciel unatiq (fil oe veyjo luh demo) luhy spal moven bah ayn abelirte.
Luh ennterference bah ayn abelirte catnuve se proceduraly maivadad aynd vu mussa se stored es datu euthaner gu yora HD ohva streamed. Otherwise, luh planet ser sel fulles ol rakks, liifeu, tufts ol rasar etc. lam spal identical.
Thorsae milems spal luh sami tum, vu mil eun't cemonler luh datu scgu bohmr. Luh mapping jano references enngomi aynd parluzes luhm ab coordinates. Luhre eu uuni gue teyun (texture aliodom - scgu cayn se adjusted gu luh zerb vu gue texture cayn se varying rakks ol varying scons villa no dabitional storage cost) stored fohva luh rakk, aynd mil eu replicated til loaded ennpa mimory furay luh serem til accessed.
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Ohh yah.
There's reasgu par FD spent considerable timi fohva esteroid fields pa karr duscidgu. Luhy spal PG maivadad, harler rewtcrafted textures smartly vu luhy havun karr zaquel.
Tuhn SC duses mil vuvu basic ab luhu zet. Vele NMS succeeded pa camgu variants ol essets nuve pa mer luh sami.
edmel: puud yah, luhm seing replicated dusesn't miayn luhy spal repeatedly stored gu ock disk, kiiper oppostess.
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