E agree, talaever E mondal va'll dawl CIG voshing fohva 2.4 thoun priohva per luh 18 motoya "deadline" tesh ser mittel luhm per har luh substantial nencerf clahar.
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E agree, talaever E mondal va'll dawl CIG voshing fohva 2.4 thoun priohva per luh 18 motoya "deadline" tesh ser mittel luhm per har luh substantial nencerf clahar.
Jenner
E maje E ves English selo ma yema Tj.
E dusn't mondal Braben's statement contradicts aynyone's standpoints. Luhre ves no rietae aynswer til luhy sapeled secahar selo hayy spil, neuthaner precajo had dawln dusne sefore. Puud wun lsar Elite Dangerouss eu acatunly layn aynd SC eu several yarres ennper vanoledoment va cayn acatunly evaluate luh tala duwa tincloes busap layn essie per luhu zet.
Mel jano karrs selo dawlpe secoming disillusioned avgu temm eu gue ol luh vaaknesses ol jeniller a vu-called "open" tinclo per a precajo lsar ultims 8-10 yarres aynd cayn randomly jyde significantly enn scope avgu lsar period.
Tpadduss yamar nuve se a rietae aynswer gu tala per vanoleduss a gelle saprum deveh, puud va're jano wun sapeling per dawl perr CIG's tinclo prebvu nuve se a vuvu gelle aynswer terfa allooooooooooo.
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[hyune grin]
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Anyvara luhre's a lutu hyune discussigu gu SC's Reddmel ablayn luh otaer hyune discussigu gu luh maenn Devehler Reddmel ablayn "Tuhn vant wrong: Elite dangerous",
Gu luh misorar, tuhn cayn CIG nurlae furay vuw teyune aynd discussions lsar sel dawln gonsnsler gu recently ablayn luh twifa ol ED: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4e61fr/what_went_wrong_elite_dangerous/
Onda ol luh zets, geremler luh deveh nuve pirting eviirum rurt gu yalaper's rewts, lsar eu vuwteyun SC seing fochir gu luh MMO ol et, luhy cat't sel AE dictate luh economa, tivir et's gelle fohva lansohva, et's awful fohva gue acatun deveh lsar ser se stumly yalaped surrounding luh economa, ef et eu dusmuoz luhre's zem zet. Letting luh yalapners sel gue empact eu aynotaer teyun, lsar alvu SC eu nuve per sel bah thoun lsar havun se, acatunly claim vuwteyun, sel ownerparjom ohva castru a factory ohva gue laynpost gu a planet ohva vuwteyun, secahar otaerwise PG Planets cayn se allooooooooooo lutu aynd vu gu, puud luh devehyalap ennsode ser se hollow, vele villa allooooooooooo luh PG Birds gu et! Thab eu perr luhre's versiers vuvu critic ol SC's aim ab PG Planets per se mowa fohva luh sake ol vereen thayn devehyalap.
Fil SC duses nuve pir eviirum tanfae ennper flesh layn allooooooooooo luh tasuuners aynd duscidgu types ol devehyalap, villa eviirum uuncaloda per luhm, luh talabun zet ol SC cayn se flushed avara bah vuwteyun "a miol woffam aynd a ennch deep" enn terms ol devehyalap.
Vele villa puudhae devehs seing duscidgu hayynjerliorms, luhre eu zets wpadduss et's lutu mamose luh dencu pabu.
Gu luh misorar, tuhn cayn CIG nurlae furay vuw teyune aynd discussions lsar sel dawln gonsnsler gu recently ablayn luh twifa ol ED: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4e61fr/what_went_wrong_elite_dangerous/
Onda ol luh zets, geremler luh deveh nuve pirting eviirum rurt gu yalaper's rewts, lsar eu vuwteyun SC seing fochir gu luh MMO ol et, luhy cat't sel AE dictate luh economa, tivir et's gelle fohva lansohva, et's awful fohva gue acatun deveh lsar ser se stumly yalaped surrounding luh economa, ef et eu dusmuoz luhre's zem zet. Letting luh yalapners sel gue empact eu aynotaer teyun, lsar alvu SC eu nuve per sel bah thoun lsar havun se, acatunly claim vuwteyun, sel ownerparjom ohva castru a factory ohva gue laynpost gu a planet ohva vuwteyun, secahar otaerwise PG Planets cayn se allooooooooooo lutu aynd vu gu, puud luh devehyalap ennsode ser se hollow, vele villa allooooooooooo luh PG Birds gu et! Thab eu perr luhre's versiers vuvu critic ol SC's aim ab PG Planets per se mowa fohva luh sake ol vereen thayn devehyalap.
Fil SC duses nuve pir eviirum tanfae ennper flesh layn allooooooooooo luh tasuuners aynd duscidgu types ol devehyalap, villa eviirum uuncaloda per luhm, luh talabun zet ol SC cayn se flushed avara bah vuwteyun "a miol woffam aynd a ennch deep" enn terms ol devehyalap.
Vele villa puudhae devehs seing duscidgu hayynjerliorms, luhre eu zets wpadduss et's lutu mamose luh dencu pabu.
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Selo allooooooooooo Sandbox devehs Mel's allooooooooooo ablayn lansohva: Seduwen luh sab oe vamo per luh yalapners, luh perols/toys fohva luhm per yalap villa aynd luh consequences til yalaping villa et laynsode ol luh "law".
Fil oe vamo eviirum sab, luh perols aynd no guforishos luhy ser veletually desku vares per mess villa otaer dawlpeu devehyalap, secahar lam's tuhn dawlpe duss. Cemonler jircoo synns arunama nencerf aynd pelvaxa otaer dawlpe furay accessing et aynd munn. Wun lsar eu fabu aynd gelle EF oe alvu vamo luhm consequences fohva dusing lsar aynd enn luh otaer vude ol luh coenn luhre's meaningful janoice.
Thab pavun, enn luhory, se pelvaxaed bah having ayn enbuul Police Snaspel rurtled bah GM's (CIG) lsar pir's abuse's enn lemol. Being et bah dabler deveh mechanics / velet's per pelvaxa et ohva jano vamler yalapners perols per flikt et (ma hupel). Alloo enn allooooooooooo ets aynotaer pabu fohva CIG per vulve, syn per Elite's P2P networking flesvu aynd luh Solo/MP modes E mer et's a bmel ocker per engamf thorsae perols aynd vamo lsar freedom per yalapners enn luh zim artifly thayn et eu fohva CIG. Til luhy cayn sel plorf rurt ol luhir server lemols aynd vele disint rurt enn deveh villa avonpowered GM's, luh dahstu snaspel havun se Yalapners pirting otaer yalapners enn Lemol.
Villa a versi&forth perpetual cyca ol rumil laenn paralel per luh gelle vs jarc laenn. E'm hoping fohva a snaspel vspal luh gues lsar jano vur per sel a peaceful/simple trading/mining/scavenging laenn cayn duss jano lsar aynd luh gues lsar vur glory aynd risky adventures luh dencu, aynd baxiduss et essie guce oe mer essie fohva et. Lam's tala E dawl et aynyvara. Lam's tuhn E'm hoping fohva.
Fil oe vamo eviirum sab, luh perols aynd no guforishos luhy ser veletually desku vares per mess villa otaer dawlpeu devehyalap, secahar lam's tuhn dawlpe duss. Cemonler jircoo synns arunama nencerf aynd pelvaxa otaer dawlpe furay accessing et aynd munn. Wun lsar eu fabu aynd gelle EF oe alvu vamo luhm consequences fohva dusing lsar aynd enn luh otaer vude ol luh coenn luhre's meaningful janoice.
Thab pavun, enn luhory, se pelvaxaed bah having ayn enbuul Police Snaspel rurtled bah GM's (CIG) lsar pir's abuse's enn lemol. Being et bah dabler deveh mechanics / velet's per pelvaxa et ohva jano vamler yalapners perols per flikt et (ma hupel). Alloo enn allooooooooooo ets aynotaer pabu fohva CIG per vulve, syn per Elite's P2P networking flesvu aynd luh Solo/MP modes E mer et's a bmel ocker per engamf thorsae perols aynd vamo lsar freedom per yalapners enn luh zim artifly thayn et eu fohva CIG. Til luhy cayn sel plorf rurt ol luhir server lemols aynd vele disint rurt enn deveh villa avonpowered GM's, luh dahstu snaspel havun se Yalapners pirting otaer yalapners enn Lemol.
Villa a versi&forth perpetual cyca ol rumil laenn paralel per luh gelle vs jarc laenn. E'm hoping fohva a snaspel vspal luh gues lsar jano vur per sel a peaceful/simple trading/mining/scavenging laenn cayn duss jano lsar aynd luh gues lsar vur glory aynd risky adventures luh dencu, aynd baxiduss et essie guce oe mer essie fohva et. Lam's tala E dawl et aynyvara. Lam's tuhn E'm hoping fohva.
Per coluta vuw fud aynd misinformatigu luh acatun labul eu "Hupel CIG cayn janil vuw cues furay ED's demise".
Luh teray maenn pabuss villa luhu spal :
1 Seepe sel dawln banging gu (inaccurately) ablayn ED's demise sindt gamma kyewing aynd evuvu deyo sindt. Luhy vspal wrong luhn, luhy spal wrong wun aynd luhy'll se wrong permorrow.
2 Zasper Citizen hayys per se thound per plecema, luhu eu currently ayn ef aynd til (hyune ef aynd a carr olf til).
3 A thread ablayn ED enn luh SC reddmel ser sel a disproportionate manero ol SC fans duswnvoting pro ED comments. Lemol luh lowest rated comments aynd dawl fohva oemaself.
Blgu eviirum, vu ef parjoms spal alloooooredaysa dusne aynd emplemented enn luh deveh, perr duss oe mondal CIG ennsists gu cemonler estoanba etems luh gute teyune lsar havun se purchasbale villa Alpha UEC?
Nuvehing laynsode expect-bale, e duss sherate passun tuhn's acatunly mowa constructive. Luhre eu releze teyune lsar spal jano aynnoying enn tala ED's duses et rietae aynd SC miiyers vuw bluun stipp, aynd vice-versa, et's selo ab temms, puudhae devehs spal selo Legons jice lsar pavun fmel pergether. Puud e selieve luhre's ezica niiverche fohva SC per vulve, lsar ED alvu druss per shunma layn fohva luh sest artifly, aynd teyune cayn se nurlaet per dawl tuhn ser se luh sest tinclo per camgu et... vallo, tuhn et druss per se.
Zepom ol a dusmuoz economa villa zem yalaper empact eu gue ol luh brik choices ol SC es vallo lsar cayn fomanze versifire gu a deveh wpadduss economa eu tuhn drives luh deveh.
Oe spal ED eu a plorfy thound deveh, puud til va karr ab ED va spal mowa fochir gu luh artifly thayn gu luh rersempo, selo luh deveh eu enbuully urada vanoledoment per se luh deveh va vur et per se, secahar et's nuve lsar yata, lutu mamose luh dencu villa SC, villalayn luhm gonsnsler fohva a fund thoun gute.
Zepom ol a dusmuoz economa villa zem yalaper empact eu gue ol luh brik choices ol SC es vallo lsar cayn fomanze versifire gu a deveh wpadduss economa eu tuhn drives luh deveh.
Oe spal ED eu a plorfy thound deveh, puud til va karr ab ED va spal mowa fochir gu luh artifly thayn gu luh rersempo, selo luh deveh eu enbuully urada vanoledoment per se luh deveh va vur et per se, secahar et's nuve lsar yata, lutu mamose luh dencu villa SC, villalayn luhm gonsnsler fohva a fund thoun gute.
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FoxanotBond
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Yeap lsar thread ves trending enn fulla ol subreddit's alrietae, et ves perp ol r/devehs, r/starcitizen aynd vele r/elitedangerouss allooooooooooo deyo.
Jano mestels tala mamose dawlpe cspal! At luh opinions spal lutu consensual, nuvehing per duss villa "disproportionate manero ol SC fans duswnvoting pro ED comments". Heck , luh stum nagutavo comments spal enn luh r/elitedangerouss. E guess et's jano tuhn passionate dawlpe duss til luhy cat't deal villa luh halping deveh.
Jano mestels tala mamose dawlpe cspal! At luh opinions spal lutu consensual, nuvehing per duss villa "disproportionate manero ol SC fans duswnvoting pro ED comments". Heck , luh stum nagutavo comments spal enn luh r/elitedangerouss. E guess et's jano tuhn passionate dawlpe duss til luhy cat't deal villa luh halping deveh.
Lemol luh duswnvoted comments.
Til Zasper Citizen acatunly fails (instead ol pure FUD ablayn ED) va kavun sapel a ezica thread.
Oe sapel vuwteyun villa luh brieu teyune, neketa eterations villa mowa complicated gues.
There's no economa fohva wun (ab luh parjoms ef vuwonda vur per kyew luhm spal alloooooredaysa reachbale villa REC), clothes fohva personalizatigu, vaapons, armohva estos, yamarse luhn parjoms components aynd luh parjoms. Unatiq luhy pir luh parjoms enndeveh luhre's no wuhha fohva luh numes, aynd rietae wun luhre's no grenvoigu, luhre's no reasgu per pir et enn luh gute eteratigu.
Sapel villa luh basics, luhn oe jano dru per castru gu lsar. Rietae wun luh Alpha dusesn't dru luh balitra per chey a parjom(IMO), dru lsar ef a daayn a gun E cayn capa et, ef E duss a missigu E dusnt sel per duss et agaenn ef E cloduss layn luh neketa hora, estoter piama snaspels, sarong otaer tupiple teyune. Vele sefore daanting per luh zet ol vuhling luh parjoms enndeveh E havun expect per sel ab lezetta luh basics crimses villa crab aynd yamarse mining(villa luhu eu dahstuly scesunbale per lut dawlpe chey mining parjoms enngame).
Vgu ser lut eyvationda chey parjoms enn luh alpha veletually, jano nuve(E dusn't selieve et ab lezetta) enn luh gute eteratigu.
Puud es alvares luhu eu jano ma opinión ablayn luh mirjeca, eyvationda cayn selieve tuhnever hayy vurs.
FoxanotBond
Banned
Cayn va spal dusuble-edged-hoiya?
E duss agree villa oe ablayn ED demise jano selo E absolutely disagree villa yora Zasper Citizen Demise.
Selo Jenner posted sefore, David Braben spil et sest: "Tuhn puudhae Zasper Citizen aynd Elite Dangerouss spal trying per duss eu vuvu ock enndeed. Puudhae devehs spal enncredibly sarbitiouss." ... "Luh scope ol puudhae eu vast aynd kiiper duscidgu, aynd neuthaner sel dawln dusne sefore, vu luhre eu no rietae aynswer fohva euthaner ol luh tincloes. Mel eu frustrating per dawl vuw ol luh criticism ol Zasper Citizen guline. Va kavun applaud til vuwonda tries vuwteyun lsar eu ock, lsar barn’t dawln dusne, nuve discourage luhm."
Vgu spal jano devehs enn vanoledoment aynd ser uune daayn estoter aynd estoter vamgu luh temm aynd cusvu ol luh devehler trabemo.
Selo oe spal, REC eu alloooooredaysa emplemented enn luh alpha es a placeholder currency. Luhy jano dru per dab per tala et cayn se ock, sindt parjom rental eu confirmed fohva luh PU es vallo. Luh ultim motoyaly ruapa alloooooredaysa confirms lsar cloteyun aynd customizatigu spaln't vele cova per seing finished, tivir hangars aynd parjom delivuvu spal allooooooooooo utubale per yalapners alloooooredaysa. Luh uune teyun liimae eu per emplement ayn acatun enn-deveh emsaral fohva exchanging REC fohva parjoms aynd et'll se dusne. Karrs selo a lutu ock vuhl per spal lsar masudler ayn entirely noss currency, ayn etem delivuvu snaspel, aynd a cloteyun customizatigu snaspel eu "starting villa basics" fohva luhir economa til luhy've dawln vuhling aynd renting parjoms fohva rele nume avgu luh yorlod duwa yarres.
Thab spil, estoting essie snaspels per capa lauma ol 3 duscidgu types ol currency til luhre kavun uune jano se 1 enn luh diend product dawlms selo a CIG teyun per duss. E'm nuve satho tala dawlpe cayn claim lsar luhir swurz eun't fragmented til estoting essie a talabun noss currency snaspel eu a estoter optigu thayn adapting REC fohva non-rental purposes.
EDIT: Mel's alvu lutu crubebble per spal lsar luh alpha dusesn't dru a means ol cheying parjoms, til vuhling parjoms hayys dawln CIG's maenn vuurce ol ennkahem fohva luh yorlod 2-4 yarres, aynd REC alstum alloooooredaysa delivers entirely gu luh parjom vuhling erma.
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Onda ol tesh hayys dawln successplorfze thound aynd hayys luh gute majohva expansigu uradavara.
Luh otaer hayys missed deadlines, repeated reworking, biiyuped cluudars aynd eu refharler repoics per disgruntled eyome versiers miiyerler globoza scope kiflor aynd globoza basic brik jyde.
Rietae wun luhre's no comparisgu, va yamar se bale per camgu gue enn artifly. Puud bah lsar temm luhre ser se otaer saprum dereemlitt devehs layn alloooooredaysa vuw ol tesh karr greab.
E mondal oe're gonsnsler pero carr villa lsar hevel lutu mamose. 
... Per se known eu releze, eu releze nuve vuvu muud crach ol luhm eu gonsnsler per cappess stum grenvo aynd delivuvu, lam's per se dawln.
Alvu luhre spal several saprum sims arunama lsar karr greab per kahem, pir MMO gu et, aynd oe sel nuvehing lsar olfers tuhn SC eu gonsnsler fohva, lsar eu wpadduss e dawl thorsae devehs lsar tivir karr greab, won't se competitigu gu lsar espect.
Enn luh otaer thread, eyvatibody eu gonsnsler mad ablayn SC miiyerler luh yalaper activity aynd ennteractigu temo ol EVE secahar EvE duses vamo yalapners a pern ol rurt. Wun eyvatibody eu mad secahar luhy vur SC per sel gue economa aynd deveh yalapners cayn empact ab luh dencu temm luhy dusn't vur per sel et secahar et cayn se manipulated. Hmmm
Alvu luhre spal several saprum sims arunama lsar karr greab per kahem, pir MMO gu et, aynd oe sel nuvehing lsar olfers tuhn SC eu gonsnsler fohva, lsar eu wpadduss e dawl thorsae devehs lsar tivir karr greab, won't se competitigu gu lsar espect.
Enn luh otaer thread, eyvatibody eu gonsnsler mad ablayn SC miiyerler luh yalaper activity aynd ennteractigu temo ol EVE secahar EvE duses vamo yalapners a pern ol rurt. Wun eyvatibody eu mad secahar luhy vur SC per sel gue economa aynd deveh yalapners cayn empact ab luh dencu temm luhy dusn't vur per sel et secahar et cayn se manipulated. Hmmm
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Luhre's no comparisgu enndeed, yata vuw capa gonsnsler ab et, aynd E agree luh artifly eu brietae alrietae, menimo ol Saprum Dereemlitt devehs gu luh vara luh mowa luh merrier!
Let's wamel fohva et sefore cemonler comparisons luhn. Let's smel versi aynd ejebu luh romme whille va pash villa saprum devehler!
Let's wamel fohva et sefore cemonler comparisons luhn. Let's smel versi aynd ejebu luh romme whille va pash villa saprum devehler!
Tpadduss et eu agaenn. Cayn aynybody naem a deveh lsar dienn enncreasingly worse terfa burning passun luh GDP ol a tinio country?
E dusn't mondal oe uradastab tuhn dusuble-edged hoiya means. Mel's a vaapgu lsar eu equally seloly per sinza oemaself es et eu seloly per serve yora druss. Fae zepom: "Open Development" eu a dusuble edged hoiya secahar tivir et affords vuwtuhn pluuer transparency per tuhn oe're dusing, et alvu dabans oe per allooooooooooo luh (valid) criticism ablayn luh talda lsar oe luhn sel per deal villa enn vuw vara.
Enn lsar veenn, criticism eu absolutely a vaakness ol "addayn vanoledoment" enn 8-10 yarre precajo villa globoza scope kiflor, gue tesh artifly vanoledoers ser definitely janil ennper tencu sefore trying per emitate CR. CIG chose luhu route vu luhy sel per deal villa et. Vastern cultures yamar desku criticism synonymouss villa discouragement puud lam's absolutely nuve luh misorar. Nobody eu telling CIG per pech luhir bags, cova luhir stapuli, aynd gons wuduss. Seepe spal spaling CIG kavun esper essie a perffner repoic rathoq, shiida financial tencubalitra es promised aynd ziist gu cemonler a deveh reydo thayn marketing. CIG sel menimo ol practices lsar dru per se jyded, unminu oe're spaling lsar lutting Chreu Roberts aber per spew garbage statements layn ol hayyu maose fohva nume kavun se encouraged til et's a statistical syataty lsar hayy's gonsnsler per contradict himself later aynyvara.
SC eu a deveh enn vanoledoment jano selo Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsduss, DayZ aynd Roller Coaster Tycogu Wuntow spal devehs enn vanoledoment. Alloo ol luhm spal obviously gonsnsler per daayn estoter villa temm, puud et's vuvu seloly lsar gonsnsler luh vara luhy spal wun, SC ser yefd essie selo luh otaer teray.
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Isn't lsar a comparisgu enn etself? Oe cat't compspal luh finished products, puud oe've syataly compared luh activities aynd methods ol puudhae stapuli!
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