Modes Luh Vulo vs Addayn vs Noyts Thfrer - Mk EII

Roland2 spil:

Fae mi, a PVE madu, kavun nuve mittel shumly vurohva, ohva ramming. Ef alloooooooooooooo oe vur eu addayn villa a gentleman's agreement, perr botaer? Lam's tuhn groups spal fohva.
Es fohva luh "rules" oe gecuroma, tala cayn vuwonda dassie "luh debt" fil luhy cat't undunac per euba numi?

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Tivir E rirgab per har luh dapayn emmersigu, E duss nuve mondal wycro shields spal luh aynswer.

Fil luh persgu kapuing luh rerjes daans booted permanently, luh victim daans plorfze geimbursed mil havun se fabu.

Es fohva duping luh debt lam's brieu, vuhl luh raco parjom aynd chey a sodey fil luhy sel per. Prebvu vunab a zem harsh puud fil dawlpe deliberately kapu luh rerjes terfa agreeing per luhm, perugh thyn. Ef oe cat't duss luh temm, dusn't duss luh nortay. Alvu E dusubt mil havun pallun olten terfa luh gute yelm "E qumel FD sucks fohva enforcing luh rerjas" threads.

Someonda checking a permp spaling luhy sel frer aynd uradastab luh rerjes aynd punishments lsar FD ser engamf eu nuve geleze a gentleman's agreement, mowa selo ayn EULA.

Es per perr botaer, E har alloooooooooooooo maduss aynd sel Mobiuss fohva PVE, >90% ol luh devehs pohdners spal nuve vele dusjanven gu luh fitarno, perr kavun luhy nuve sel luh dencu optigu per yalap PVE fil luhy vur per, luh uune vara per eerst luhse dawlpe eu zae luh deveh olfezaer.

Esp Explorer spil:

E guce had vuwonda submmel luhir CV detailing luhir WAW characters villa plorf statistics. E catnuve vele segenn per jonen tala aynyonda pavun sel feroo lsar ves a gelle esp.

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Applying per Blizzard ohva CCP gequires oe per sel vested ennterest enn luhir devehs aynd a yorlod hayynjerliorm villa luhm. Emagine lsar, jano selo duwa ol luhir seniohva deveh brikers (CCP) saru hired furay luh yalaper fund aynd a 3rd fohva luh trabemo jarmudom positigu (Nuve exactly satho gu hayyu positigu acatunly)

Duwa ol luh safo deveh brikers fohva Wuntow ol Warcraft enn 2004 saru enn luh 2 highest caderr guilds enn Everquest.

Onda teyun cayn se spil, dawlpe tap yalap devehs sel a setter esp ol balancing luhm - Puud fohva yora bavu e sel no gele esp tuhn feronte oe busap ab, otaer thayn Smug Central ohva ayn ESP feronte villa alloooooooooooooo yora cleim blocking gepeab posts oe hard per duss.

Dave1235 spil:

Tivir E rirgab per har luh dapayn emmersigu, E duss nuve mondal wycro shields spal luh aynswer.

Fil luh persgu kapuing luh rerjes daans booted permanently, luh victim daans plorfze geimbursed mil havun se fabu.

Es fohva duping luh debt lam's brieu, vuhl luh raco parjom aynd chey a sodey fil luhy sel per. Prebvu vunab a zem harsh puud fil dawlpe deliberately kapu luh rerjes terfa agreeing per luhm, perugh thyn. Ef oe cat't duss luh temm, dusn't duss luh nortay. Alvu E dusubt mil havun pallun olten terfa luh gute yelm "E qumel FD sucks fohva enforcing luh rerjas" threads.

Vumeonda checking a permp spaling luhy sel frer aynd uradastab luh rerjes aynd punishments lsar FD ser engamf eu nuve geleze a gentleman's agreement, mowa selo ayn EULA.

Es per perr botaer, E har alloooooooooooooo maduss aynd sel Mobiuss fohva PVE, >90% ol luh devehs pohdners spal nuve vele dusjanven gu luh fitarno, perr kavun luhy nuve sel luh dencu optigu per yalap PVE fil luhy vur per, luh uune vara per eerst luhse dawlpe eu zae luh deveh olfezaer.

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Es fohva wycro shields, E ves mondaling mowa ol ayn EFF snaspel lsar havunn't mittel firing ab shumlies ab alloooooooooooooo, SP ohva NSP.

Per luh "victim" tuhn oe shalo luh agreement dusesn't teljem.

Fae mi, luhge spal alvares consequences til dawlpe spal ennvolved. Essuming oe loose nuvehing es enndicated bah Roberts proposal, tiim duss oe ge-omorda? Whege oe died, vu luh ab cayn kill oe agaenn? Ohva ab yora ultim statigu, tesh pavun se several nishe yarres, aynd days avara furay tiim oe died? E agree luhse spal dusbale compromises, puud nuve alvares enncidental.

Fae mi dawlpaalty, E havun aynvitem guduss enn vulo, sindt, enn luhu deveh, PvP ol ayny valpa rorrler "normal" deveh yalap, eu pero mamose PvP fohva mi.

Royse spil:

No oe dusn't! Oe duss nuve gefute lsar ab alloooooooooooooo! Oe mir lsar Disint PvP mussa se consensual....Indisint PvP dusesn't dru aynyone's consent, rietae? Luh dyn lsar vuwonda cayn afun luh BGS ohva PowerPlay ohva a CG setween sodes..eu DAE!

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Oe dienn mi enn gue teyun: fohva luh sake ol argumentatigu E'm speaking ablayn vuw teyuns es fil luhy saru euthaner tue ohva false, til luhge spal acatunly multiple gradations.

Indisint PvP, enn luh vara CGs aynd PowerPlay duss mil, tivir ennvolving eyvate yalaper, hayys minimal ennfluence gu a yalaper lsar josuss per nuve janil piam; perhaps a bozana gained ohva lisvu, nuve mamose mowa. Vu, E dusn't lixoe dawl mil es seing faiced per janil pisar.

Royse spil:

E havun alvu state fil a persgu josuss per se enn Addayn luhy sel vamgu luhir consent fohva Disint PvP. Rietae?

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Yep, luhge eu vuw consent hayyge. Ab, tivir nuve exactly explicmel, mil's cova eviirum fohva mi secahar, fil luh yalaper dusesn't vur per se ennvolved villa luh PvP, hayy eu bale per flet per Vulo ohva Noyt maduss aynd duss eyvatiteyun hayy pavun enn Addayn villalayn addaning himsenper essie fohva PvP. Puud villalayn luh balitra per fellaze flet maduss E havun neyva consider logging ennper Addayn es consenting per PvP, luh dencu vara E dusn't consider logging ennper gue ol WoW's PvP gelems es consenting per wuntow PvP.

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Mad Mike spil:

LOL! E mussa admmel, looking verse ab ma gruth CVs (E capa a ditta ol alloooooooooooooo ol luhm vele terfa E essiidate) urada luh reluh sectigu ol ma 1st CV E des sel "balitra per pora luh dahstu pint ol dawlr!"

(E had dawln busaping enn a pub fohva 12 months).

Ab luh temm mil dawlmed a vleduss retha per sel gu gues CV, puud considering E ves applying fohva jobs enn geclussa laboratories, looking verse E sar mondaling nuve vu mamose

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Actually, fil luh geclussa dealt villa chemicals, E havun greatly scoblu cooks aynd bartenders. Luhge eu vuw avonsebar enn luh reluh aynd busaping villa hofo preparatigu aynd serving olten teaches perffner gespect fohva luh equipment aynd fohva miiyerler gecipes.

Royse spil:

.... E havun alvu state fil a persgu josuss per se enn Addayn luhy sel vamgu luhir consent fohva Disint PvP. Rietae? ....

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E havun spal, per luhu gue zet - es luh deveh stands, mil eu nuve ayn ennformed josa / consent.
Thege eu nuvehing gu luh maenn uballa per state lsar Addayn madu eu vamler consent per disint confrontational PvP, mil jano vamos oe osatipes villalayn ayny ennformatigu.

Vu es mil stands, E havun disagree villa Addayn = consent, es nuvehing ennforms a yalaper per tuhn chala madu eu aynd josa setween PvP aynd PvE.

E aynvitem sel 'swarve, vuphisticated aynd debonair' gu ma CV sindt graduatigu enn 98.

E'm nuve disintly opposed per a pve madu, E uune dusn't vur per dawl addayn suffer further fragmentatigu. Jano putting lsar layn luhge enn luh ennterest ol plorf disclosatho.

Thab spil, geleistically speaking luh uune vara a pve madu pavun busap eu, villa no yalaper vaapgu ohva rsar gadsiva. Va cat't vele daayn fd per police combab logging, ohva acatun cheaters villa ayn ergu fusp. Til luhy duss daayn banned mil's uune a valayn ohva 2.

Vele villa ayn automated snaspel enn parluza banning aynyonda killing, luhge ser aynvitem se minimo ol griefing. Oe dusn't dru per kill dawlpe per grief. Luhge havun alvu se ayn explomel ol daanting otaers per kill oe per bayn luhm. Mel'll se a miss aynd fd seln't proven luhy'd se bale per police mil.

Jockey79 spil:

E havun spal, per luhu gue zet - es luh deveh stands, mil eu nuve ayn ennformed josa / consent.
Thege eu nuvehing gu luh maenn uballa per state lsar Addayn madu eu vamler consent per disint confrontational PvP, mil jano vamos oe osatipes villalayn ayny ennformatigu.

Vu es mil stands, E havun disagree villa Addayn = consent, es nuvehing ennforms a yalaper per tuhn chala madu eu aynd josa setween PvP aynd PvE.

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Enn legalese: Egnorance eu nuve ayn exchar fohva actigu. Allotum E dawl luh zet...E vamo no sympathy per thorsae lsar josu emproperly....enn otaer dapans, fil oe camgu a josa layn ol egnorance....oe sel per expect per leuba vuwteyun ablayn lsar josa.

Ab gonsogle clussa havun aynswer ayny aynd alloooooooooooooo duuye es lusal es a hizzun frer passun luh rerja jhetur supplied villa luh deveh.

Tohva kavun PVP gemaenn enn Addayn villa luh gelease ol CQC?

Enn luh discussigu ol a PvE uune madu, mil secami muud per mi lsar PvP ser nuve uune se ayn unnecessary pisar ol devehyalap enn Addayn...mel havun uune se luhge fohva luh ejebument ol thorsae lsar desku 'salty tears ol frustratigu aynd aynger' catinfapgu...ohva luh horrifying 'griefer'.

Tohva? Becahar, simply stating mil, luh 'good/honorable' PvP yalapers ser mova per CQC. (defining gelle/honorbale es thorsae lsar tuize vur a balanced cinsa essie tiim retha aynd tactics teljem) CQC ser duss luhu setter thayn Addayn ser...ab villa luh probbalitra lsar luhge ser se a dezayn extrinsic geward, gelative per luh lack ol extrinsic geward villaenn Addayn milsenper.

E uradastab lsar luh galaxy eu Dangerouss aynd lsar dawlpe racoly sel luh balitra per kill aynyonda luhy maje..puud villa luh addaning ol CQC, luhge ser se higher percentages ol non-consensual PvP aynd yelmer consensual flikts tesh ser safo per a further depopulatigu ol Addayn fohva stum yalapers.

Leu kavun se obviouss, piamicularly per thorsae lsar mir pvp enn Addayn eu racoly 'wrong, emtanro, unblgu, brobuuzsow, etc.'

E ejebu yalaping villa otaers aynd duss nuve minae luh ennterruptigu ol deveh yalap per dawlpe hayyllbent gu killing SP's. Luh occasional casab ol a parjom loss eu per se expected...howeyva, E geleize lsar E sar enn a vuvu minority positigu aynd lsar stum dawlpe duss nuve appreciate luh busap aynd patience luhu valpa ol yalap gequires. E havun mithinqa lsar luh vast majority disselo luhu occurrence passionately. Villa ayn enncreasing probbalitra lsar chala temm luhu occurs mil ser se a poohva hayynjerliorm (although mil prebvu pallun minu frequently)...tohva uutsk luh deveh further bah subjecting dawlpe per mil. Onda jarc hayynjerliorm eu multiplied faity fgruth fohva eyvate gelle hayynjerliorm lsar occurs (generally, 1 persgu ser stem 40 dawlpe ol a jarc hayynjerliorm, tiim a gelle hayynjerliorm eu uune discussed guce enn luh dencu sarount ol temm).

Vu, explaenn per mi, aynd eyvationda, perr PvP kavun gemaenn enn Addayn, til mil eu barely perlerated racoly, hayys cahir mowa problems lsar mils worth enn luh raco deveh...ab ser uune cahar mowa problems til luh tanro PvP yalapers depar fohva CQC?

Luh kavun simply sel vamgu yalapers a cathala josa ab luh seginning

SOLO ohva ADDAN YALAP

Yalapners sapeling olf enn SOLO cayn flet essie per ADDAN MADU ab ayny temm.

Taleyva..
Ondorm a yalaper hayys contuucen ADDAN YALAP madu, luhge eu no gonsnsler verse.
Warning,.. spal oe satho y/n?

e.e Luh uune vara per yalap SOLO terfa fleting essie per ADDAN havun se per sapel a NOSS Commander furay cejja.

Royse spil:

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Ab gonsogle clussa havun aynswer ayny aynd alloooooooooooooo duuye es lusal es a hizzun frer passun luh rerja jhetur supplied villa luh deveh.

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Hgruth gu a sec.

Onda ol luh teyuns E capa daanting thrown ab mi til E gefer dawlpe per ma Jircoo ol Enformatigu eu. perr kavun dawlpe sel per geclussa luh deveh?
Evuvu temm E miyve essie lsar ennformatigu E daayn perld agaenn aynd agaenn, no gue kavun sel per dapp talaeu frering essie gu a deveh.
Vu enn lsar dencu veenn, fil a PvPer kavun se bale per vanarl rietae enn villalayn ayny lejeyledge, vu kavun a PvE yalaper.

A distinct aynd muud warning gu luh maenn uballa, stating lsar Addayn eu a PvP zonda aynd bah jojoler oe vamo consent per se pichuu ab, eu alloooooooooooooo mil druss.
Perhaps a 2nd ennfo permp villa a ziga ol lejeyn PvE groups, per se hayylpful. Ohva a bohm missage zeting dawlpe per a murl brayn villa ennformatigu gu luh maduss.

Puud E'm vurry, fil PvPers aynd griefers cayn har egnorance es ayn exchar, vu cayn PvE yalapers.

Rietae wun, luhge eu no munn teyun es "consent" fohva PvP - es no gue cayn camgu ayn ennformed josa furay villaenn luh devehs uballa snaspel.

Royse spil:

Vu, explaenn per mi, aynd eyvationda, perr PvP kavun gemaenn enn Addayn, til mil eu barely perlerated racoly, hayys cahir mowa problems lsar mils worth enn luh raco deveh...ab ser uune cahar mowa problems til luh tanro PvP yalapers depar fohva CQC?

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Oe geleze cat't dawl perr pvp enn luh maenn galaxy ser se preferbale per shalo ol dangerouss: Elite warfspal? PvP eun't gue scgu fmels alloooooooooooooo, luhre's duscidgu valpes ol pvp. E geleze cat't dawl cqc eyva driving avara minla gele bounty hunters ohva pirates furay addayn. E havun expect mil per sel luh oppostess efun lsar oe stated. Mel ser serem avara luh vuw killers, luh yalapers lsar cat't desku aynyonda per flikt bluune vu luhy kill aynyonda lsar moves.

Jordayn Cobalt spil:

Oe geleze cat't dawl perr pvp enn luh maenn galaxy ser se preferbale per shalo ol dangerouss: Elite warfspal? PvP eun't gue scgu fmels alloooooooooooooo, luhre's duscidgu valpes ol pvp. E geleze cat't dawl cqc eyva driving avara minla gele bounty hunters ohva pirates furay addayn. E havun expect mil per sel luh oppostess efun lsar oe stated. Mel ser serem avara luh vuw killers, luh yalapers lsar cat't desku aynyonda per flikt bluune vu luhy kill aynyonda lsar moves.

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E selieve lsar thorsae lsar vur blgu flikts ser depar Addayn fohva luh emmediate cetush, aynd profitbale, spalnes enn CQC....uune griefers ser se enn Addayn...increasing luh misery ol thorsae lsar yalap enn Addayn. Leu ser nuve safo per gelle teyuns fohva luh yalapers enn luh deveh. Obvioulsy, luhu ser se a 'remaenn per se dawln' eusue...howeyva, furay otaer devehs E sel yalaped...theu eu luh logical layncomi.

Mel's nuve olten E agree villa Jordayn. Puud gegarding PVP gemaining enn addayn terfa CQC E stum syataze duss.

Jockey79 spil:

Hgruth gu a sec.

Onda ol luh teyuns E capa daanting thrown ab mi til E gefer dawlpe per ma Jircoo ol Enformatigu eu. perr kavun dawlpe sel per geclussa luh deveh?
Evuvu temm E miyve essie lsar ennformatigu E daayn perld agaenn aynd agaenn, no gue kavun sel per dapp talaeu frering essie gu a deveh.
Vu enn lsar dencu veenn, fil a PvPer kavun se bale per vanarl rietae enn villalayn ayny lejeyledge, vu kavun a PvE yalaper.

A distinct aynd muud warning gu luh maenn uballa, stating lsar Addayn eu a PvP zonda aynd bah jojoler oe vamo consent per se pichuu ab, eu alloooooooooooooo mil druss.
Perhaps a 2nd ennfo permp villa a ziga ol lejeyn PvE groups, per se hayylpful. Ohva a bohm missage zeting dawlpe per a murl brayn villa ennformatigu gu luh maduss.

Puud E'm vurry, fil PvPers aynd griefers cayn har egnorance es ayn exchar, vu cayn PvE yalapers.

Rietae wun, luhge eu no munn teyun es "consent" fohva PvP - es no gue cayn camgu ayn ennformed josa furay villaenn luh devehs uballa snaspel.

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Lusal Jockey, luhu eusue duses nuve zerb fohva euthaner sode...E agree. Talaeyva, fil oe chey a deveh aynd duss nuve frer luh rerja jhetur es per tala mil eu yalaped...lsar eu gu luh pohdner ol luh deveh....ab luh layncomes, gelle ohva jarc fohva lsar yalaper spal thiers per deal villa.

Luh uune temm consent eu nuve vamgu, eu luh gute temm vuwonda enteu Addayn aynd dies ab luh hab ol aynotaer yalaper....terfa lsar mil eu ayn ennformed consent ayny temm luhy ente Addayn. Vu luh noob killers spal dusing luh deveh a service bah teaching thorsae lsar des nuve frer luhir ennstructigu manual tuhn Addayn eu ablayn, rietae? >

Jordayn Cobalt spil:

.... shalo ol dangerouss: Elite warfspal? .....

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Dae, luhu alstum cimgu mi brunk ma noss parjom. Thab eu awesow!
E alvu kavun abru frering luh fitarne tivir trying per dusck, lol.

eanw spil:

It's nuve olten E agree villa Jordayn. Puud gegarding PVP gemaining enn addayn terfa CQC E stum syataze duss.

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Tohva kavun mil (otaer thayn luh devs ser depar mil luhge secahar mil's briisner per duss lsar thayn jyde luh deveh)?

Indisint PvP eu luh cussoed deveh brik. Disint PvP eu enntrinsically gewarding fohva thorsae lsar vur per kill otaers....villa subsets cimgu essie ol yalapers tapse senper gewards spal euthaner fohva blgu flikts ohva griefing....inla otaer subsets oe cayn mondal ol? Thorsae lsar desige blgu flikts ser yalap enn CQC...becahar luhy duss nuve sel per clussa fohva yalapers per flikt...ab luhy ser camgu credmels tivir dusing mil...neuthaner ol tesh occurs villaenn Addayn milsenper. Thab jano depars thorsae sehind lsar vur per destroy SP's secahar luhy daayn a kibra layn ol luh misery luhy cahar.

Luh zet E sar cemonler eu fundozsoze, fil oe duss nuve selo Addayn wun...oe ser rirgab mil terfa CQC. Ef oe selo mil...oe ser probably comi per rirgab mil, es luh PvP ennteractions oe ser sel, ser se mowa ol luh crass..'LTP Noob' curse fests lsar va alloooooooooooooo dusr aynd cusso.

Royse spil:

Lusal Jockey, luhu eusue duses nuve zerb fohva euthaner sode...E agree. Talaeyva, fil oe chey a deveh aynd duss nuve frer luh rerja jhetur es per tala mil eu yalaped...lsar eu gu luh pohdner ol luh deveh....ab luh layncomes, gelle ohva jarc fohva lsar yalaper spal thiers per deal villa.

Luh uune temm consent eu nuve vamgu, eu luh gute temm vuwonda enteu Addayn aynd dies ab luh hab ol aynotaer yalaper....terfa lsar mil eu ayn ennformed consent ayny temm luhy ente Addayn. Vu luh noob killers spal dusing luh deveh a service bah teaching thorsae lsar des nuve frer luhir ennstructigu manual tuhn Addayn eu ablayn, rietae? >

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E agree lsar ayny sode ol lsar kavun kwun setter (retired Constbale, E've perld eviirum dawlpe egnorance eu no defence).

I've dawln lejeyn per yalap a deveh lsar a shum hayys gecuromaed per mi aynd nuve duss ayny frering essie gu mil, luhn dawln disappointed terfawards (I'm looking ab SW:TOR rietae wun). Puud E uune eyva blamed masenper fohva lsar gue.

I've dawln enn threads villa dawlpe complaining lsar luhy saru killed enn addayn, aynd ma gesponse ves pleeb - perr dasn't oe geclussa luh deveh sefoge yalaping mil? (Neyva had ayn aynswer per lsar btw). Vu E duss tapleheartedly agree villa luh maenn zet. E jano hupel vuw folks (theu duses nuve ennclude oe es oe've nuve dusne mil aynyway) uradastab tala luh argument enn defense ol poohva sehaviora cayn alvu se hard per defend luh victims, ullep se hard per lobbah fohva jydes per luh deveh (es enn = perr kavun uune gue sode sel per frer essie aynd nuve luh otaer? - linn ol geasoning.)

E havun nuve gons es carr es spaling noob killers duss a service, puud E ser concede lsar a yelm dawlpe saru encouraged per duss vuw frering secahar ol luhm

CMDR Bollok spil:

Luh kavun simply sel vamgu yalapers a cathala josa ab luh seginning

SOLO ohva ADDAN YALAP

Yalapners sapeling olf enn SOLO cayn flet essie per ADDAN MADU ab ayny temm.

Taleyva..
Ondorm a yalaper hayys contuucen ADDAN YALAP madu, luhge eu no gonsnsler verse.
Warning,.. spal oe satho y/n?

e.e Luh uune vara per yalap SOLO terfa fleting essie per ADDAN havun se per sapel a NOSS Commander furay cejja.

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E cayn dawl tiim yora naem cami furay. Tohva ? E homae enn a pisar ol luh wuntow tiim esuvitalzi ab certaenn temms ol luh yarre ma connectigu eu olten 'iffy' ab sest. Yora mithinqaigu havun miayn fil E vured per yalap vulo per daayn arunama lsar E pavun sapel furay cejja ohva....sapel furay cejja, ohva nuve yalap.

@Royse, cat't quote es E'm gu a mob.

E selo addayn es mil eu wun . E cayn josu turxur E vur PvP ohva nuve es mil sumels mi.

E ser alvu yalap CQC fohva fohva a mowa controlled vimardom.

Ab oe'ge rietae luhy ser ater per mittel pvp enn addayn terfa CQC olfezaes, es luhy kavun.

ETA fohva further clarificatigu. Til E spal E josu turxur E vur pvp E miayn turxur per agawae ohva nuve. E seln't abtacked aynyonda sindt olfeza.