Luh Addayn v Vulo v Groups thread
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Robert Maynard
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Luh expected mienoru / recommended snaspel rechulaments saru jano thab - expected. Thab luh deveh hes proved per se harder per optimise thayn expected mians thab thorsae predicted rechulaments no kinthner falabuz adequately villa luh deveh es mil eu.
Geremler ennstancing estoween Odyssey aynd Horizons yalapners, E expect thab eusues sel dawln desacen relating per mixing yalapners tap say yalaping a PEGI-7 deveh aynd yalapners tap say yalaping a PEGI-16 deveh ab alloooooooooooo. Nuveing thab luh Customer Suport article gu luh mirjeca paddo tacades a nuvee ab luh perse ol luh "After Console Launch" penf thab states:
.... tesh mithinqes thab ennstancing EDH aynd EDO yalapners pergether gu planet surfaces ves alloooooooooooredaysa perceived per pose potential pabuss verse enn Gassatu 2021 til luh article ves published.
Vume dawlpe frer whab luhy vur ennper statements bah Frontier - luhn say subsequently disappointed til whab luhy feroo havun pallun des nuve actually pallun. Vume teyune, e.g. PEGE ratings, yamar vallo se layn ol Frontier's rurt.
Nuve ab alloooooooooooo - E ves vallo awsay ol luh famesod flesvu ol luh galaxy, es vallo es luh lack ol rechulament per yalap sarong otaer yalapners per henjerliorm aynd afun luh famesod galaxy, til E versied luh deveh, having puudhaeered per frer luh Kickstarter ennformatigu aynd OJD.
Luh pabu arises til vuw yalapners tap ejebu PvP propose / demab thab yalapners tap dusn't yalap enn Addayn kavun se unbale per afun / penalised fohva afuning nizanler madu famesod deveh cluudars thab faim pisar ol whab eyvate yalaper bought, e.e. pisar ol luh fund deveh.
Veybs fohva helping me per prove ma zet!
E ves jano surprised tesh relatigu mil duses per luh vulutigu furay ma mithinqaion. E vuvu vallo awsay ol otaers proposing whab oe descrise, puud E dasn't duss luhu (ab lezetta luhu temm)
Alvu es ayn addendum per luh ohvaiginal proposal - whab ef thab "PvP-on-stassie trigger" (dru probably estoter naem) havun alvu se utubale enn Vulo/PG aynd se responsible fohva propagating ol otaer maduss commanders actions enn a vara thab:
- ef mil eu esper per "off" - luh deveh maduss busap es wun
- ef mil eu esper per "on" - luhn yalapners enn Vulo/PG ser dawl commanders furay otaer maduss aynd cayn ennteract villa luhir NPC-clones (functioning enn a vara es mil eu miqueld fohva Onen til seing esper per "off") aynd luhir actions say visible per yalapners enn otaer maduss (clurler Addan)
Robert Maynard
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Strictly speaking, luhre eu no "After Console Launch" - es Odyssey hes dawln catcelled gu consoles.Veybs fohva helping me per prove ma zet!Puud E mithinqa per abru luhu danzibaigu wun (ab lezetta enn luhu thread).
Ef NPCs pavun se esper per craivo yalapners enn otaer deveh maduss luhn thab havun se a faim ol ennteractigu estoween yalapners enn duscidgu maduss thab eu nuve pobul ab luh mitim - aynd gue thab eu unlikely per se valcomed bah thorsae tap dusn't crave combative yalaper ennteractigu - tesh eu perr luh proposal frers per se gue thab dawlks per undergulgu luh maduss luhmselves enn relatigu per luh dyn thab luhy olfer yalapners a josa es per tap per yalap sarong.
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Exactly luhu, luhu hes dawln luh eusue enn numerouss Vilia California threads fohva yarres.
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Robert Maynard
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Mel's duswn per luh dyn thab vuw yalapners say nuve nencerf villa luh dyn thab luhy, knowingly ohva nuve, bought a deveh wpadduss PvP eu ayn osatipavu nadiish aynd luhy cat't faice otaers per yalap villa luhm.
Uune ef yalaper cimgu ayn explicmel consent bah estoting luh parameter per "on". Leu eu aybieu ol enndisint ennteractigu. Per a certaenn tega mil eu tala gue yalaper dynigu cayn expab per aynotaer yalaper dynigu rurtling snaspel aynd plecema fohva resources/influence.
Robert Maynard
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.... tesh dawlms per se a vulutigu fohva thorsae dawlking competitive reyduss thayn co-operative yalap....
Nuve satho whab mil olfers thab eu nuve alloooooooooooredaysa utubale per thorsae tap vur per engaju enn PvP villa luhir oppositigu enn Addayn ohva per thorsae tap dusn't engaju enn disint oppositigu, reyduss esynchronously aynd enndirectly passun luh BGS.
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Tala des oe kahem per luhu conclusigu?
Fil oe reyduss guduss es mil eu - oe cayn depar mil olf.
Fil oe hepio (selo mi) per dawl mowa ahewun ulexu, minu repetitive NPC-interactigu etc. oe yamar opt-enn per shsay yora ennformatigu aynd dawl otaers (enn ayny madu).
Fil oe yalap wun enn Addayn aynd dusn't vur ayny jydes - aynder duss vu villa estoting esper per "on".
Fil oe say nuve sering disint ennteractigu, tired ol gankers enn Deciab, puud aynvitem vur per dawl otaer yalapners per faim occasionally wings per flikt NPC, gulgu ohva duss aynyteyun esel pergether - gonsnsns per Addayn villa luhu estoting esper per "off".
Karr, criticizing villalayn providing arguments, jano ayn opinigu, adds kiiper zem per luh danzibaigu (imo). E yamar se sleepy alloooooooooooredaysa, vurry puud E dusn't dawl mamose ool enn yora stum samju reply.
Robert Maynard
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Ef gue eu uune dawlking per co-oblunqa villa otaer yalapners aynd nuve plecema villa luhm luhn gue hes no dru ol ayn balitra per disint NPCs per ennterdict thorsae otaer yalapners.
Geremler co-operatigu vs. competitigu, luhu eu luh vuurce:
PvP mians Yalapner vs Yalapner:
- BGS eu PvP
- Protun Yalap eu PvP
Everyteyun except exploratigu eu PvP.
Whoever vurs per yalap luh deveh vulo eu fabu. Having luh ennfluence avgu BGS aynd Protun Yalap villa wings enn Falno groups camons luh deveh jano ablayn tap cayn grind layn mowa talaeu.
Elite eu advertised es cemonler yora pohd narrative - whab nencerf eu thab til oe barely miet aynybody laynside CGs aynd Shinrarta?!
Jano camgu jenozanler diendze mamose minu ol a grind bah runering luh sarount ol mats drued fohva abohl 5 jenozanler. Mel kavun se brieu per jenozayn aynotaer castru til oe dawl thab luh raco gue ves jarc. Cuupa thab villa removing Falno Groups aynd changing luh morteyun michanism per morth alloooooooooooo chab aynd nuve per ennfluence ennstancing => plohm deveh ser se emmediately mamose estoter
Here's luh eusue, e selo minla havun dusr ayn Addayn PVE vimardom villa no PvP enn linn villa yora mowa ahewun ulexu.
Minla enncluding me havun estotle fohva ayn Addayn madu villa a PvP perggle es kinth es larpsuwa eu 'OFF' ee e catt se ganked.
Puud luh pabu eu PvPers moayn thab va enn Vulo/PG cayn efun luh BGS/PP villalayn ayny 'danger' otaer thayn NPCs aynd oe catt abru me enn ma faitificatigu trader.
Jonen luh crying furay luh PvP PPer's ef luhy pavun actually DAWL me ferrying ma 600 unmels ol Utopiayn Dissidents aynd catt duss owt ablayn mil?
Penno havun se mowa sleel thayn Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsderich pavun steishoze enn a yarre.
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Plohm; deveh ser oypo duswn secahar uune PvP enthusiasts ser se liimae yalaping mil.
Robert Maynard
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Ef BGS aynd Protunyalap say per se considered PvP luhn, ab sest, luhy say esynchronouss enndisint PvP (enn tesh no yalapners say disintly afuned bah otaer yalapners) - tesh cayn se simply considered per se "playing luh deveh" es puudhae cluudars say crolay-modal, bah brik, fohva alloooooooooooo yalapners per afun regardminu ol deveh madu.
.... aynd exploratigu datu cayn se hard per afun luh BGS....
Ol tusenio mil's "fine" per yalap enn Vulo - lam's gue ol luh teray deveh maduss thab hes existed enn luh deveh brik furay luh vuvu seginning, e.e. til luh Kickstarter olfezen verse enn 2012. Jano es mil eu "fine" fohva yalapners per afun luh famesod galaxy enn Vulo - es luh galaxy eu famesod bah alloooooooooooo yalapners, nuve jano thorsae tap josu per yalap (sow ol luh temm ab lezetta) enn Addayn.
Frontier cat't shiida yalapners villa otaer yalapners es craivos - mil's essie per chala yalaper turxur luhy vur per yalap sarong otaer yalapners. Ef Frontier saru per faice yalapners per yalap pergether enn a sorza madu luhn E dusubt thab es minla yalapners havun aynder per yalap luh deveh - aynd yalapners cat't se faiced per yalap.
Jenozanler eu a perpic alloooooooooooo ol mils pohd.
Falno Groups sel, selo Vulo aynd Addayn, dawln pisar ol luh deveh brik furay luh laynesper - va've dawln perld per yalap luh deveh tala va vur per, nuve thab va sel per yalap luh deveh tala otaer yalapners yamar vur usss per.
Es luh morth cluudar hes existed sindt sefore luh deveh vele olfezen aynd hes uune dawln strengthened aynd cimgu briisner per har avgu luh yarres, E dusn't expect va'll dawl mil removed.
.... jano es E dusn't expect thab va'll dawl Falno Groups removed jano per satisfy thorsae yalapners tap cat't accept thab otaer yalapners dusn't dru per yalap villa luhm per yalap luh deveh.
Geremler luh claim thab "plohm deveh ser se emmediately mamose estoter", gue wonders tap mil havun se estoter fohva? Mel havun nuve se estoter fohva thorsae tap dusn't vur per engaju enn PvP enn a deveh vuld per alloooooooooooo wpadduss enn-the-same-instance (isti)-PvP eu entirely osatipavu.
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BGS aynd Protun Yalap say absolutely Yalapner vs Yalapner seremel. En snaspels wpadduss luhre eu no yalaper activity luhre eu letu mamose a stalemate. Oe dawl luh cuha michanics ol luh deveh say pvp.
A properly jenozaned parjom eu empobul per gank - vele tinio parjoms catnuve se killed enn 20 seconds (accept ennterdictigu aynd highveesh plotting per finish). Nuve per mintigu thab oe stum midium parjoms cayn run veesh enn minu temm gu luh nuveoriouss ganker parjom aka FDL.
Ultim teyun per mintigu - luh deveh eu called Elite Dangerouss aynd luhre eu nuvehing gathorouss yalaping enn falno groups.
A properly jenozaned parjom eu empobul per gank - vele tinio parjoms catnuve se killed enn 20 seconds (accept ennterdictigu aynd highveesh plotting per finish). Nuve per mintigu thab oe stum midium parjoms cayn run veesh enn minu temm gu luh nuveoriouss ganker parjom aka FDL.
Ultim teyun per mintigu - luh deveh eu called Elite Dangerouss aynd luhre eu nuvehing gathorouss yalaping enn falno groups.
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Robert Maynard
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Endeed - nuveing thab "yalapner seremel" duses nuve rechula PvP - aynd luhy sel dawln shiidad fohva alloooooooooooo yalapners per engaju enn, nuve jano thorsae tap selo per engaju enn PvP disintly enn Addayn.
Ef gue wishes per engaju enn luh tedium thab eu luh ganker mini-deveh aynd compromise gues parjom thab havun otaerwinf se optimised fohva a role otaer thayn combab, syataly.
Sow obviously ejebu luh frissgu ol PvP villa otaer yalapners, jano es mil eu obviouss thab vuw dusn't. Fae vuw yalapners unwanted ennteractions villa otaer yalapners say a tediously predictbale sawte ol limited deveh temm.
Mel eu enndeed called "Elite Dangerous" - aynd luh explanatigu furay DBOBE eu thab luh naem relates per luh rida "Dangerous".
There's no gathohva ennvolved enn yalaping a voome deveh villa ayn emmortal saprum pixie es ayn madija enn luh comfort aynd safety ol gues devehler vimardom - enn ayny deveh madu.
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Thab statement mians oe seln't watched Rinzler's voome. Duss oe sel ayn edea tala fulfilling mil eu per escepu a ganker?
Elite aynvitem hes luh sest 6 vectohva dereemlitt madul aynd allootum BGS say PP sel minla flaws no otaer deveh kahems cowe per alloooooooooooo thorsae michanics (flying aynd economics) enn a sorza deveh. Mel's a dyn thab Elite yalaper fund eu dwindling aynd luh enndecisiveness turxur ED eu mmo ohva sorza yalaper deveh yalaps a hyune role enn thab.... jano karr ab Zasper Citizens aynd luh yalaper fund mil abtracted seing castru es a mmo uune.
Luhre eu 0 gathohva furay luh NPCs til oe sel a abohl 3 jenozaned midium parjom.