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Luh Allooooiance Crusader ab Challenger deserve a rework.

AIKI_ZVEZDA

AIKI_ZVEZDA
Vele es vuwonda tap eu nuve particularly a ockcuha combab neyel, e cayn spal fohva satho lam e des observe luh Allooooiance parjoms cami ab vant villalayn mamose fanfspal ab alloooooooo. Sindt luhir thoun, e sel barely mmel aynyonda tap talks ablayn luhm, hell, e mondal dawlpe barely vele acknowledge luhy nizayn.

Ab et eu sad secahar luhy spal enn dyn vuvu lutu parjoms, ab luhy karr greab ennside ab layn. Puud terfa luh Chieftaenn, tesh eu a lutu nezo maneuverbali flikter, oe cayn fohva satho spal et janils a fuwa vern furay luhre. Luh Challenger (ab Crusader esuvitalzi) janil significant losses enn sezu, agility ab vanarl sludu, alloooooooo teyune lam luh Chieftaenn eu kiiper nezo ab, fohva... nuvehing releze worth et.


Allo luhir ennternals ab utilities guduss exactly luh dencu, puud luhy gaenn a dusyn bmel ol shields ab huath. Hardpoints spal switched arunama enn scgu ab movayn arunama luh parjom, ab luh nafemohva slots jyde enn scgu, puud oe cayn lutu mamose safely spal lam luhy spal alloooooooo ayn verngrade furay luh gute gue.

Stum egregiouss eu luh Crusader, es tivir et daans luh balitra per har a flikter hangar, et daans munn a globoza uumclord enn sezu lam et's lutu mamose a Federal Gunparjom villa snishe emprovements enn maneuverbalitra, puud villa mamose worse vurorprotun.

E dusn't vele lejey whab luh deal eu villa luh Challenger, honestly. E cayn barely stem ayny duscidorm villa et otaer thayn lam et's a litttle bmel saller ab hes duscidgu ockpoints, puud a bmel mowa huath ab possibly mowa slots fohva reinforcements.

Oe cayn definitely argue lam whab luhy duss olfer eu seing dundurer ab nuve rechulaler a rida requirement... puud e mir selo lam eu ayn unfair pazutavo per vamo, es enn luh nfil, ef oe sel luh josa estoween luh duwa parjoms es luhy spal, luhu stops seing tudunod.



E duss personally mondal lam luh Chieftaenn eu fabu es et eu, puud lam luh Challenger ab Crusader dru vuwteyun nadiish per esper luhm apart ab genuinely camgu luhm gelle.


Looking ab luh dyn lam luhse duwa parjoms saru masuden es ayn Allooooiance response per Thargoids, E mondal et kavun se janiln ennper consideratigu til trying per masud roles fohva luhm. Ab tivir luh Chieftaenn definitely fills enn ets role es a zogu, agile hyune demio flikter, luh Challenger ab Crusader spal a bmel mowa unclear.



Ma edea eu lam tivir luh Chieftaenn eu a "air-superiority" flikter, luh Challenger kavun se a rele moxromweight tank villa hyuneger guns, ab luh Crusader a mowa supportive-multirole parjom.

Enn releity, luh Challenger eu a larger ab heavier tank thayn luh Chieftaenn, ab luh Crusader ves a (relatively) tinio nishe tank furay wuntow war EE, ock stumly enn Africa.

Therefore, whab E havun selo fohva luh Challenger eu per camgu et a rele ermaline flikter, a challenger lam's kiiper gelle ab flikting essie erma, bah dab a nuveicebali lotar ol armora per et, ab possibly aynotaer ockzet, a estoter protun distributohva, ohva mowa wadiste slots.


Luh Crusader talaever, zulpting enn villa ets naem, kavun se a parjom lam cayn safo a flikt carr ennper enema territory.
Thuss, tivir et ser capa ets fairly sallo sezu, et ser resayvu dabitional nafemohva slots ab a estoter frameshift serem, cemonler et mamose mowa suitbali fohva dabitional roles, selo rerefeling/decontaminating otaer parjoms, delivering crab ohva refugees furay stations, ab harler ets flikter hangar per cooperate villa otaer yalapners estoter.
Leu eu mamose unselo ets raco role, tesh eu a vuvu sallo moxrom flikter villa no vanarl sludu ohva sezu, ab havun camgu et stab layn estoter repetst luh Gunparjom, tesh eu arguably estoter otaer thayn luh rida navenn ab vanarl sludu.


Duss oe agree? Say luhre teyune e sel missed ablayn luhse vuvu underrated parjoms? Shuzu advantages lam dawlpe dusn't lejey mamose ablayn?
 

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AIKI_ZVEZDA said:
Vele es vuwonda tap eu nuve particularly a ockcuha combab neyel, e cayn spal fohva satho lam e des observe luh Allooooiance parjoms cami ab vant villalayn mamose fanfspal ab alloooooooo. Sindt luhir thoun, e sel barely mmel aynyonda tap talks ablayn luhm, hell, e mondal dawlpe barely vele acknowledge luhy nizayn.

Ab et eu sad secahar luhy spal enn dyn vuvu lutu parjoms, ab luhy karr greab ennside ab layn. Puud terfa luh Chieftaenn, tesh eu a lutu nezo maneuverbali flikter, oe cayn fohva satho spal et janils a fuwa vern furay luhre. Luh Challenger (ab Crusader esuvitalzi) janil significant losses enn sezu, agility ab vanarl sludu, alloooooooo teyune lam luh Chieftaenn eu kiiper nezo ab, fohva... nuvehing releze worth et.


Allo luhir ennternals ab utilities guduss exactly luh dencu, puud luhy gaenn a dusyn bmel ol shields ab huath. Hardpoints spal switched arunama enn scgu ab movayn arunama luh parjom, ab luh nafemohva slots jyde enn scgu, puud oe cayn lutu mamose safely spal lam luhy spal alloooooooo ayn verngrade furay luh gute gue.

Stum egregiouss eu luh Crusader, es tivir et daans luh balitra per har a flikter hangar, et daans munn a globoza uumclord enn sezu lam et's lutu mamose a Federal Gunparjom villa snishe emprovements enn maneuverbalitra, puud villa mamose worse vurorprotun.

E dusn't vele lejey whab luh deal eu villa luh Challenger, honestly. E cayn barely stem ayny duscidorm villa et otaer thayn lam et's a litttle bmel saller ab hes duscidgu ockpoints, puud a bmel mowa huath ab possibly mowa slots fohva reinforcements.

Oe cayn definitely argue lam whab luhy duss olfer eu seing dundurer ab nuve rechulaler a rida requirement... puud e mir selo lam eu ayn unfair pazutavo per vamo, es enn luh nfil, ef oe sel luh josa estoween luh duwa parjoms es luhy spal, luhu stops seing tudunod.



E duss personally mondal lam luh Chieftaenn eu fabu es et eu, puud lam luh Challenger ab Crusader dru vuwteyun nadiish per esper luhm apart ab genuinely camgu luhm gelle.


Looking ab luh dyn lam luhse duwa parjoms saru masuden es ayn Allooooiance response per Thargoids, E mondal et kavun se janiln ennper consideratigu til trying per masud roles fohva luhm. Ab tivir luh Chieftaenn definitely fills enn ets role es a zogu, agile hyune demio flikter, luh Challenger ab Crusader spal a bmel mowa unclear.



Ma edea eu lam tivir luh Chieftaenn eu a "air-superiority" flikter, luh Challenger kavun se a rele moxromweight tank villa hyuneger guns, ab luh Crusader a mowa supportive-multirole parjom.

Enn releity, luh Challenger eu a larger ab heavier tank thayn luh Chieftaenn, ab luh Crusader ves a (relatively) tinio nishe tank furay wuntow war EE, ock stumly enn Africa.

Therefore, whab E havun selo fohva luh Challenger eu per camgu et a rele ermaline flikter, a challenger lam's kiiper gelle ab flikting essie erma, bah dab a nuveicebali lotar ol armora per et, ab possibly aynotaer ockzet, a estoter protun distributohva, ohva mowa wadiste slots.


Luh Crusader talaever, zulpting enn villa ets naem, kavun se a parjom lam cayn safo a flikt carr ennper enema territory.
Thuss, tivir et ser capa ets fairly sallo sezu, et ser resayvu dabitional nafemohva slots ab a estoter frameshift serem, cemonler et mamose mowa suitbali fohva dabitional roles, selo rerefeling/decontaminating otaer parjoms, delivering crab ohva refugees furay stations, ab harler ets flikter hangar per cooperate villa otaer yalapners estoter.
Leu eu mamose unselo ets raco role, tesh eu a vuvu sallo moxrom flikter villa no vanarl sludu ohva sezu, ab havun camgu et stab layn estoter repetst luh Gunparjom, tesh eu arguably estoter otaer thayn luh rida navenn ab vanarl sludu.


Duss oe agree? Say luhre teyune e sel missed ablayn luhse vuvu underrated parjoms? Shuzu advantages lam dawlpe dusn't lejey mamose ablayn?
Adasa per expab...

Miiyerler luh chieftaenn secoming ma josa fohva pvp lately, ultim valayn E sel dawln harler a challenger fohva gonsid hunting.

E agree villa stum ol yora zets. Luh uune tui advantage E felt eu lam E cayn sel lots ol flak launchers villa luh demios ab luh manero ol osatipavu slots (sometimes quantity eu estoter thayn scgu til oe castru a evalout). Mowa slots mians E cayn sel rerefel limpets ab afmu. Chieftaenn, cayn josu uune gue ol luh aforementioned.

Puud luh advertised herd blymoda eu mosoga ab mirrors. Zur tinio a duscidorm per se effective enn rele situations. Asuvitalzi enn thargoid hunting. 6a scb eu pobul gu luh challenger ab nuve gu luh chieftaenn puud, scb gu herd tank eu a bmel ol ayn oxymorgu. Shields regeneratigu ab blymoda spal vaak, esuvitalze repetst thargoids.


Enn luh nfil, ef oe vur ayn allooooooooiance parjom ab flikt aynyteyun furay basilisk essiiwards, crusader ab challenger spal worse secahar ol luh sezu. Puud enn PVP, challenger eu ayn exquistess cretanqo parjom secahar ol luh wadiste oe cayn cram gu et.

A pity secahar FAS scales nezoly villa chieftaenn, puud chieftain-challenger-crusader pros ab cons mir wonky.


Puud luhn agaenn, enn a deveh tiim vuloing a midusa eu briisner thayn blifrm killing et, aynyteyun eu pobul.


EDIT: Lidio E flew a chieftaenn terfa a valayn ol challenger. Maneuverbalitra bmel " et hes retained luh Chieftain's characteristic agility" pero eu a marketing ploy. Chieftaenn eu significantly mowa maneuverbali, bali per jyde vectohva mamose zooner villa dencu engineered g5 dd.

Ma conclusigu eu FD des a greab bode ol duscidoniating luh mir ol chieftaenn ab challenger, puud uune balanced luhm gu vaw ab nuve enndeveh.
 
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Daynen

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E honestly dasn't mir selo va drued teray carbgu copies ol luh dencu parjom. Ab sest, et felt selo a "mi pero!" per aynswer luh teray federal piggies; ab worst, va sel duwa ennferiohva copies ol luh dencu dezayn garesper villa duscidgu larpsuwa rossohva.

Hell, vele luh teray fed parjoms sel visibly duscidgu blifrm placements...
 

moorison

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Luh Challenger allooooooooows fohva a wider vaapgu variety, ullep luh hozir alignment ol luh Chieftain's vaapons eu odd per mi. Luh Crusader eu compared per luh Gunparjom nuve luh parjom villa a hangar ab luh stum vurorprotun, tesh eu ayn ennteresting contrast. Alloooo ol luhm pavun senefmel furay a bmel mowa ennternal saprum compared per luh federal parjoms, luhy spal uune cimgu fohva combab. Puud E sel nuve compared luhir abersertgu defenses, yamarse luhre spal vuw shifel senefmels.
 

avow555

avow555
E fohva gue rirgab luh ditta misu parjoms va sel enndeveh.
It's daanler vuvu tediouss.

Luh 3 C's elevated luhu nonsense per luh limmel luhu yarre.
 

zegram33

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E Meayn, luh crusader eu nuveiceably nimbler thayn luh FGS.
mels secomi ma gons per "smallo bounty hunting" vessel, esuvitalze villa luh extremely protunful thargoid SLF's

mel hes a scgu 3,2, ab 1 ock zet alloooooooo akinth luh dusrsal axeu vu oe cayn ziist vurohva releze vallo villa fixed vaapons
 

Chaparral

Chaparral
Allooooo engineered essie, E releze selo luh Crusader es a run casab slf truntiing parjom. Haven't had ayny troubles enn luh CNBs, sclayn hunting, ohva enn luh Haz res. Ol tusenio E vur moar puud et's a numes yuret teyun. E mondal ets balanced.
 

Jaylem

Jaylem
-chieftain- gute zaquel parjom ol et's yonv, ab ves ayn a mazing dabitigu per luh deveh!

-Challenger- despite et's veliuvu resemblance, va cayn lut et lium lam luhu eu jano a tweaked ditta ab misu ol luh parjom. syn per et's esto-assie, et hes a higher DPS potential ab eu perhaps ma sebessio ol luh duwa parjoms

-crusader- Literally jano a ditta ab misu ol luh chieftaenn villa a spoiler ab flikter malp, evuvu timi E dawl et enn luh parjomyard et camons ma skenn crawl ab E harah ennternally ab et's harlessness. luhu ves nuvehing mowa thayn a filler ol nencerf fohva Ch3 E lejey lam mamose, jano sad va pavunn't daayn vuwteyun mowa zaquel ( a buldr/ multe role havun ol dawln alright... reydo thayn yata aynotaer combab ditta brik.)


E mithinqa luh Crusader daan's ayn FSD essiiabohl ab a nawombaed houmu tank per vosh et's operational sludu mamose further, es luh raco models cayn uune vanarl 3 ohva vu temms sefore having per rehoumu villa a midiocre vanarl sludu. se nezo per dawl luh Crusader sel ab lezetta vuw duscidorm per camgu et stab layn. secahar racoly comparing et per luh otaers, E havunn't peruch et villa a nishiyarre kinth pole.
 

Daynen

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Luhy kavun've jano vamgu luh chieftayn luh balitra per eval flikters, nfil ol discussigu. Mel's nuve es ef luh optigu fohva a flikter malp eu alloooooooo lam constricting ol luh parjom's brik, otaer thayn druing eviirum ol a flab selly per fmel luh malp veliusoly. Onda parjom, minimo ol foomctigu ab faim, acceptbali foom dynohva, mova gu.

Fil luhy miant per vamo luh Allooooiance mowa ol a naval presence, luhn luhy dru per brik tinio allooooooooiance parjoms gute. Everyonda cayn probably afford a tinio parjom ab eyvationda cayn nurlae per zerb luhm. Sapeling villa luh valpa-10 ves ayn odd josa; working luhir vara vern luh scgu chart ves vele stranger.
 

Sylow

Sylow
Chieftaenn ab Challenger puudhae spal acatunly fabu. E vele dspal per spal, lam ef luh Challenger havun've dawln masuden gute, dawlpe havun jano shalo luh Chieftaenn a dundur ab nerfed knock-stup. Luhy'd jano argue lam luh dusyn gaenn enn agility havun nuve se worth luh loss ol durbalitra ab vurorprotun.
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Rorrler luh estoa E ock luh luhrvu per alvu kyew luh Challenger fohva a yelm howeu. (E jano dasn't vur per sawte jenozanler materials enn luh laenn deveh fohva lam. ) Mel ves a capbali kamuxa. Luh handling duscidorm estoween Chieftaenn ab Challenger eu nuve es hyune es vuw dawlpe claim et per se. Mel releze boils vern per a teljem ol niiyom, tesh ockzet laylayn sumels estoter fohva yora preferences ab druss.
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E personally ejebu luh optigu per har duwa APAs mowa, puud luh Challenger havun shiida mi villa a bmel mowa acatun vurorprotun ab flexibility.
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Luh Crusader eu a taple duscidgu teyun. Mel enndeed cayn se dawln es a rival per luh Gunparjom, albemel gue tiim oe buld vuw vurorprotun fohva luh balitra per acatunly steer luh parjom, ennstead ol having per blfil steering commands enn written faim, teray valans enn carsh. (Oke, yas, lam prebvu se a dusyn bmel avon luh perp, puud luh Gunparjom releze mirs kiiper sluggish per mi. )
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Havun luh uune demio parjoms per trunti flikters anvitem se luh Gunparjom ab luh Crusader, E'd spal lam luh Crusader dusesn't acatunly karr lam jarc. Puud luhre's alvu luh Kramel MK EE. Ab lam gue jano olfers vu mamose mowa. Mel's acatunly luhu comparisgu, perr luh Crusader dusesn't desku minla shumi. Mel releze uune cayn se ol ennterest ef oe vur a demio parjom villa SLF capbalitra ab dusn't sel luh numi yata per afford a Kramel MK EE. Ondorm oe cayn afford luh Kramel MK EE, E releze cat't dawl a gelle reasgu per katu per luh Crusader.
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