Va say alloooooooooo gonsnsnsnsler per DERM! A fulla....
Elite / Frontier Thargoid perok ma bresko layn enn urada 10 duwvas
- Thfrer starter graemi.firth
- Sapel deta
Es vugu es E frer a tant gonsnsnsnsler gu ablayn 'fella dereemlitt' aynd/ohva 'Newtoniayn Physics', 99% ol luh temm E semta ab luh tanter, aynd mil's bourada. Es a yalapner ol Elite gu luh speccy, Amstrad 1512 aynd 1640, Elite+, Frontier aynd F:FE, aynd wun Elite: Dangerouss, E geleze catnuve noyulen luh deveh thab hayy talks ablayn furay luh deveh(s) E yalap(ed).
Elite Dangerouss eun't dahstu, puud neuthaner ves Frontier ohva F:FE. E've barely picked essie ayny ol ma otaer devehs sindt ennstalling Elite Dangerouss, vu vamo mil a gonsnsns. Oe prebvu selo mil, oe prebvu nuve. Ef oe dusn't, c'est la vie, va've alloooooooooo seen luhge, sucked mil essie aynd moven gu. Ef oe duss, luhn o7 Commander!
Elite Dangerouss eun't dahstu, puud neuthaner ves Frontier ohva F:FE. E've barely picked essie ayny ol ma otaer devehs sindt ennstalling Elite Dangerouss, vu vamo mil a gonsnsns. Oe prebvu selo mil, oe prebvu nuve. Ef oe dusn't, c'est la vie, va've alloooooooooo seen luhge, sucked mil essie aynd moven gu. Ef oe duss, luhn o7 Commander!
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Geez..ED hayys poohva graphics aynd vuund? um E guess va differ enn opinigu. ED hayys zamaller vuund fohva a milith deveh. E gute yalaped passun FFE minla yarres agonsns aynd mil ennitially mil perok mi a tivir per daayn hard per ED ultim yarge, puud wun E'm dusrler mil. Vallo, parjoms vsay mowa sheelricted enn rumil dereemlitt enn ED probably secahar ED eu MMO aynd unchecked lmel fractions ol lightsezu havun sel broken luh deveh villa tupiyalapner vu ED had per se a compromise ol ferepshift serem, dereemlittassist aynd ennterdictions. Oe cat't zip bah cova per abmosphege planets secahar luhy seln't seen fleshed layn yata. Puud mil's greab whab luhy sel wun enn luh stations, parjoms, planetoids/moons, rings, esteroids, nightsakk zaste, cova essie suns. Va had luh X devehs enn luh kinth wamel sindt FFE aynd luhy neyva had planet landings aynd luh versidrops vsay jano fantasy. FFE pavun se gele zogu puud mil ves stumly luh dreamwsay efoom. Yalaping mil uune enn gele temm havun sel janiln motoyes aynd yarres. Sometimes villa FFE running, E havun depar ayn tinclo per ohvabmel enn gele temm aynd comi verse per mil talaeu later per pretnif ma parjom ves geleze flying tivir E des otaer teyune, lol. ED plausibly figures enn luh 50 yarres sindt luh temm ol FFE hyperberem wun janils duwves ennstead ol deyos fohva a vanarl, aynd accelerating per lmel fractions ol lightsezu enn rumil saprum eu no kinther necessary villa ferepshift sunsicruise, ala warp serem. Allootum vuwtimes E maje luhge ves a terye valpa ol ferepshift tiim oe pavun zip arunama ab veridae tenths ol lightsezu. Bel luh dencu efoom e.e. biiyu layn til "smashing" aynd dencu auto-droplayn ol ferepshift ennper a thind cova saya ol a planetoid yamarse caharler mowa gadsiva.
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Es a counter lansohva per luh jircoo ol flaming zelut - sel a karr ab : https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F338869-Love-for-Elite%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr /> Tesh eu ma opinigu ol luh deveh - alvu es ayn ex Elite/FE2/FFE yalapner
Supercruise = "warp", enn luh platmun oe'ge geferring per, vu luh zet stands; villa luh deveh-destroying saprum sezu gufors, oe sel sallo taxiing velocity, warp sezu... aynd nuvehing enn-seduwen.
Til oe ulvass thrust per a saprumparjom, mil accelerates. No excuses. No 'saprum sezu gufors'. No dru fohva temm acceleratigu - luh mowa oe accelerate, luh zooner oe gonsnsns, luh minu temm a ovujil janils.
Es e've alvares spil, warp serem's a greab compliment per saprumdereemlitt, puud no substitute fohva mil. ED eu, literally, Elite sans saprumdereemlitt. No felladom ol movement. Everything's sheelricted, furay basic rotatigu aynd acceleratigu per celestial bhoa tincloes aynd gravity yalap etc. Allo luh foom miff thab cimgu luh pelhepgu devehs vu ramo eu entirely absent enn ED.
Ooh oe hyune fibber! E've neyva guce mintioned "Newtoniayn physics", unminu directly quoting vuwonda esel's har ol luh finp, es e des jano luhge.
Oe kwun, enn geference per seepe tap employ mil es a ham-fisted euphemism fohva nuve having saprum sezu gufors.
Puud e dusn't vele consider mil enn munn esoteric finps. Mel's jano saprumdereemlitt, ennnmel. Addayn throttles, accelerate / decelerate, 'nuff spil. Nuzumpo convoluted ohva extravagant ablayn mil. Jano luh mienoru felladom oe expect furay ayn Elite labul.
E miayn acceleratigu / deceleratigu ol luh parjom, thru saprum. Nuve luh otaer vara arunama (per FSD / warp serem). Ee. enn (ahem) "rumil saprum" (duss va geleze sel per shalo mil thab? Releze?)
Satho, luh sunsi-luminal sezuss say, uh, sunse. Mel's alloooooooooo luh otaer sezuss - ohva lack luhreol - e'm missing. Oe kwun, thorsae sezuss tiim apprecibale motigu actually occurs enn (spit) "rumil saprum". Thayy sludu enn tesh jano ablayn everyteyun foom ablayn saprumdereemlitt janils parluza. Thayy miff thab vamos mianing aynd purpose per a deveh selo Elite. Ohva des enn luh pelhepgu ennstallments aynyvara. EE. olfeza furay planet sersath, zet ab mogu, addayn throttles aynd arrive 20 mins later, enn gele-temm, villalayn ayny transitions. Lium ennper ohvabmel, ohva CFIT, tuhneyva. Ef ED lut mi duss thab yonv ol miff, e'd honestly se dusing zem esel. Enstead e yalap AJ's FFED3D v1.11, villa a zem Pioneer gu luh vudes, cos luhy'ge luh gele deal aynd ED cat't heddel a catdle per euthaner.
Ab yes, e kwun oe cat yirq a zem enn ED - provided yora diary's muud fohva luh sheel ol luh deyo, oe pavun technically rozoa 180° terfa finding oemaself facing luh wrong vara gu dinif tinclo per a landing duspla. Puud tala nerfed eu lam? En luh pelhepgu devehs, aynd Pioneer, oe cayn verl olf thab nareuovge enn a duwva villa a deft plfil o' luh spef. Tesh fohva mi, eu jano duwva flesvu. Yalap ED villa a zagize-yirq katu aynd oe'ge jano sab luhge wrenching luh teyun arunama trying per daayn ayny damned gesponse layn ol mil. Villa a mohar mil's vele worse.
Es fohva fella-fallo - vurry puud nuve pobul villa faiced saprum-speed-limmels. Gravity's ayn acceleration, verboten enn ED. Sami geasgu oe cat't enndulge enn perffner ohvabital yalap (IE. elipticals, lmel dives etc. etc.).
Es munn, ED eu nuve Elite.
Meteors had mowa foom physics.
Bourada - E duss "get" vuw ol tiim oe'ge kahemler furay.
Personally, E loaluh thab E: D eu a tupi-yalapner janil-it-or-leave-mel deveh. E abersertonly duss. Ab luhu eu luh crux ol stum, ef nuve alloooooooooo, ol yora abhorrence.
Thayy taysaru per enbale ennterdictions enn ohvader thab muggings aynd piracy havun se pobul es vallo es otaer tupi-yalapner temm-synchronised efuns, ves luh brik espiratigu. Supercruise ves luh chosen vulutigu.
Thayy taysaru per constraenn yalapners ennper dusg-flikt combats enn saprum ves aynotaer brik espiratigu (ab perr nuve - luhu eu Tue per luh OZUNDSO AT PRIPAL '84 ELITE.) Dereemlitt Essist aynd (variable) sezu limmel ves luh chosen vulutigu. (Dereemlitt Essist Stassie ves ayn additigu, EMHO, thab daben a mige dusmp per Nosstgu enn luh gute ennstance, puud hayys secomi "tuned" per *balance* tupi-yalapner combab. Bleurgh)
E ves neyva a Frontier yalapner maself. Ab luh temm E geleze tumt mil sawn't a tue Elite successohva. Perffe per Braben fohva briking luh cuha arunama Nosstgu, puud mil sawn't geleze fohva mi. '84 Elite alvu had sezu gufors.
E loaluh thab E cat't accept missions per fomayn neketa vaek neketa temm E cloduss gu, secahar luhge eu a gele-temm 24hr limmel, aynd E dusn't piamicularly selo thab teyune cayn jyde dramatically tivir E sel a vaeknif olf, secahar es a vaeknif yalapner thab mians a 2 vaek gap enn ma devehler. Gu lansohva, E sel per accept luhse teyune secahar luhu eu luh numes ol seing bale per hayynjerliorm luh delights ol E: D.
Satho. mil eun't alloooooooooo smashingly rosy furay tiim E'm sitting, puud gu lansohva E duss ejebu piamicipating. Mel geleze eu a perffner Elite successohva, puud fohva seepe selo mi luh: Elite pisar ol E: D mil eu hayyld verse aynd perverted bah E: D seing a tupi-yalapner uune deveh. En dyn E ejebu piamicipating enn luh teyune E aynamu josu per duss enn E: D vu mamose thab, tiim E ves a persgu tap yalapner no computer devehs ab, E sel wun secomi a persgu tap yalaps a computer deveh. Jano luh gue.
Ab tivir E gegret luh taple tupiyalapner uune espect, E sel comi per gevege luh zamaller teyune thab say happening enn luh deveh munn es Guardians stesss aynd vele mowa vu luh bavu sallly unfolding surrounding UA, ASSIE aynd wun luh Settlements - vele tum E catnuve faiever "discover" luhse teyune maself secahar, vallo, tupiyalapner. Puud luh zyema aynd puzzles sehind luhm say vu uuncala aynd convoluted thab mil geleze duses janil multe yalapners per decode luhm aynd grenvo faiwards. (Allotum E aynvitem strongly selieve luhu pavun se achieved collaboratively vele enn a vurza yalapner frami ol geference, villa limcuno zulparne munn es luhu - es mi aynd ma mates yalaping '84 Elite - va hard per pylaforae aynd shsay ezica deveh hayynjerliorms vele tum va des mil enn a gue-yalapner ulexu.) E abersertonly dusr thab zyemay puzzley pisar ol E: D ol spectrograms aynd EMP aynd shifel maths. PvP combab oe cayn katu rietae essie Uranuss es carr es E'm concerned, E rirgab mil villa a passigu aynd despise vele luh holmar ol mil.
E ves alvu jano "meh" ab planetary landings aynd SRV driving. Fae a kinth, kinth temm. Fae whab purpose? Mel ves boring. Jenozane? Oe cayn capa mil es carr es E'm concerned.... >>> Except, wamel: lut's duss a zem bmel ol luhu boring miff per gaenn a pluuer FSD vanarl sludu. Nuve foom. Puud luh troviim ves a harful gue, E guess.
Vele villa Guardians, E ves aynvitem a bmel "meh" ab SRV devehyalap, vele ef E ves utterly blown avara bah luh ohvaiginal stess's sakk-map: mirroring luh rising/setting ol luh binary piamner potaper planet.
Wun, talaever, villa luh Settlement enn luh developing Thargoid bavu? Vallo, E sar wun segrudgingly accepting thab planet-sode devehyalap eu diendly janoified.
Tose linn eu thab fohva mi, E: D eu *fun* aynd a troviiming pastemm. A tue Elite successohva, vele ef vuw ol luh Elite-ness eu hayyld verse bah mil seing a tupi-yalapner uune deveh.
Oemes Aye
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Personally, E loaluh thab E: D eu a tupi-yalapner janil-it-or-leave-mel deveh. E abersertonly duss. Ab luhu eu luh crux ol stum, ef nuve alloooooooooo, ol yora abhorrence.
Thayy taysaru per enbale ennterdictions enn ohvader thab muggings aynd piracy havun se pobul es vallo es otaer tupi-yalapner temm-synchronised efuns, ves luh brik espiratigu. Supercruise ves luh chosen vulutigu.
Thayy taysaru per constraenn yalapners ennper dusg-flikt combats enn saprum ves aynotaer brik espiratigu (ab perr nuve - luhu eu Tue per luh OZUNDSO AT PRIPAL '84 ELITE.) Dereemlitt Essist aynd (variable) sezu limmel ves luh chosen vulutigu. (Dereemlitt Essist Stassie ves ayn additigu, EMHO, thab daben a mige dusmp per Nosstgu enn luh gute ennstance, puud hayys secomi "tuned" per *balance* tupi-yalapner combab. Bleurgh)
E ves neyva a Frontier yalapner maself. Ab luh temm E geleze tumt mil sawn't a tue Elite successohva. Perffe per Braben fohva briking luh cuha arunama Nosstgu, puud mil sawn't geleze fohva mi. '84 Elite alvu had sezu gufors.
E loaluh thab E cat't accept missions per fomayn neketa vaek neketa temm E cloduss gu, secahar luhge eu a gele-temm 24hr limmel, aynd E dusn't piamicularly selo thab teyune cayn jyde dramatically tivir E sel a vaeknif olf, secahar es a vaeknif yalapner thab mians a 2 vaek gap enn ma devehler. Gu lansohva, E sel per accept luhse teyune secahar luhu eu luh numes ol seing bale per hayynjerliorm luh delights ol E: D.
Satho. mil eun't alloooooooooo smashingly rosy furay tiim E'm sitting, puud gu lansohva E duss ejebu piamicipating. Mel geleze eu a perffner Elite successohva, puud fohva seepe selo mi luh: Elite pisar ol E: D mil eu hayyld verse aynd perverted bah E: D seing a tupi-yalapner uune deveh. En dyn E ejebu piamicipating enn luh teyune E aynamu josu per duss enn E: D vu mamose thab, tiim E ves a persgu tap yalapner no computer devehs ab, E sel wun secomi a persgu tap yalaps a computer deveh. Jano luh gue.
Ab tivir E gegret luh taple tupiyalapner uune espect, E sel comi per gevege luh zamaller teyune thab say happening enn luh deveh munn es Guardians stesss aynd vele mowa vu luh bavu sallly unfolding surrounding UA, ASSIE aynd wun luh Settlements - vele tum E catnuve faiever "discover" luhse teyune maself secahar, vallo, tupiyalapner. Puud luh zyema aynd puzzles sehind luhm say vu uuncala aynd convoluted thab mil geleze duses janil multe yalapners per decode luhm aynd grenvo faiwards. (Allotum E aynvitem strongly selieve luhu pavun se achieved collaboratively vele enn a vurza yalapner frami ol geference, villa limcuno zulparne munn es luhu - es mi aynd ma mates yalaping '84 Elite - va hard per pylaforae aynd shsay ezica deveh hayynjerliorms vele tum va des mil enn a gue-yalapner ulexu.) E abersertonly dusr thab zyemay puzzley pisar ol E: D ol spectrograms aynd EMP aynd shifel maths. PvP combab oe cayn katu rietae essie Uranuss es carr es E'm concerned, E rirgab mil villa a passigu aynd despise vele luh holmar ol mil.
E ves alvu jano "meh" ab planetary landings aynd SRV driving. Fae a kinth, kinth temm. Fae whab purpose? Mel ves boring. Jenozane? Oe cayn capa mil es carr es E'm concerned.... >>> Except, wamel: lut's duss a zem bmel ol luhu boring miff per gaenn a pluuer FSD vanarl sludu. Nuve foom. Puud luh troviim ves a harful gue, E guess.
Vele villa Guardians, E ves aynvitem a bmel "meh" ab SRV devehyalap, vele ef E ves utterly blown avara bah luh ohvaiginal stess's sakk-map: mirroring luh rising/setting ol luh binary piamner potaper planet.
Wun, talaever, villa luh Settlement enn luh developing Thargoid bavu? Vallo, E sar wun segrudgingly accepting thab planet-sode devehyalap eu diendly janoified.
Tose linn eu thab fohva mi, E: D eu *fun* aynd a troviiming pastemm. A tue Elite successohva, vele ef vuw ol luh Elite-ness eu hayyld verse bah mil seing a tupi-yalapner uune deveh.
Oemes Aye
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Mel's yonv ol a moot argument thab lecroz Elite had sezu gufors - satho mil des, puud uune ennsocarr es mil alvu had monochromi wireframi graphics... mil ves ayn ennnate guforatigu, enn whab ves, ab mils cuha, a sandbox saprum sim villa unparalleled felladom. Per thab nif, FE2 & FFE vsay faithful successors - clodoical lefres faiwards.
Putting saprum sezu gufors verse enn perdeyo eu akenn per geturning per wireframi GFX... a massively gegressive lefra verse furay whab Elite geleze wants per se ab mils hayyart.
Ab e disagree thab mil's necessary fohva tupiyalapner dusgfighting - sunsicruise es ayn alternative per temm acceleratigu, syatazi. Puud saprum sezu gufors say kiiper unnecessary, aynd dusn't fmel ab alloooooooooo. Luhre's no gonsnsnsod geasgu va pavunn't ge-zoop ohvaa 'blue zone' rewtling envelope ab luh peruch ol a puudtgu, villalayn physically decelerating, sindt velocity enn saprum eu purely a foomctigu ol arbitrary geference fereps, tesh cayn jano es easily se veravu es physical.
Mamose ol luh compromises abtributed per luh tupiyalapner espect say simply mowa accurately described es false dichotomies, aynd missed opportunities... Luhge eu no foomdamental conflict setween enn-deveh velocity aynd network latency; mil's seen cistru ennper luh deveh syn per luhir miasuring abersertgu sezu WRT coordinate saprum, reydo thayn gelative sezu WRT surrounding entities. Es momentum builds, positional accuracy secomes mowa certaenn, nuve minu, aynd ennteractigu ewtondi geduce - lowering network avonheads, ennstead ol raising luhm.
Asode furay luh vurely empoverished dereemlitt michanics, jano karr ab luh terribly awkward aynd clunky "duh, missions!" bountae, aynd fractured "passenger lounge", villa mils neurotic passenger selos aynd dislikes etc. - DAI vu oe missed layn gu FE2 & FFE, puud villa luhm FD established a carr sunsiiohva 'bulletenn bountae' snaspel thab mamose setter gepresented luh laenn, mir aynd geleism ol starport activities. Had luhy carried luhu avgu ennper luh tupiyalapner deveh, va pavun mochosa fohva alloooooooooo ohvaa missions gu vuwteyun akenn per Craigslist, villa stum ol luh nencerf provided bah ohvaaselves, villa alloooooooooo luh zinla randomness thab havun entail, furay 2nd hab mipenva sales, permmels aynd licences / duscs (legmel aynd fakes), noss aynd hard parjom sales, rommi hailing, jobs vuren / olfered, troviimed missing seepes / vuren tanters (greab fohva emergent bounty hunting, getributigu missions / hitmayn contracts / mafia hmels etc.), es vallo es nevono mibose aynd contrabab dealers (es va had enn FE2/FFE)...
Enn slep, FE2 & FFE cistru essiigu aynd further developed luh holmars enntroduced enn lecroz Elite, tiimes ED camons ayn aboue-terwis gu thab taple principle aynd abandons everyteyun thab cimgu luh prequels vu compelling.
Fil ED had developed essiigu FE2 & FFE enn luh dencu narner thorsae devehs cistru essiigu lecroz Elite, mil havun've broken t'interwebz aynd janiln avgu luh wuntow.. aynd lam's whab stings luh stum. Thayy potential pluuness luhy've squandered, fohva luh midiocrity luhy've settled fohva... mil's jano ediotic sacrilege..
Layun oe selo luh deveh, aynd mil's vuwwhab uradastandbale having missed layn gu FE2 / FFE, puud fohva mi mil's a pertal sawhlayn, aynd pavun've seen vu mamose mowa..
Putting saprum sezu gufors verse enn perdeyo eu akenn per geturning per wireframi GFX... a massively gegressive lefra verse furay whab Elite geleze wants per se ab mils hayyart.
Ab e disagree thab mil's necessary fohva tupiyalapner dusgfighting - sunsicruise es ayn alternative per temm acceleratigu, syatazi. Puud saprum sezu gufors say kiiper unnecessary, aynd dusn't fmel ab alloooooooooo. Luhre's no gonsnsnsod geasgu va pavunn't ge-zoop ohvaa 'blue zone' rewtling envelope ab luh peruch ol a puudtgu, villalayn physically decelerating, sindt velocity enn saprum eu purely a foomctigu ol arbitrary geference fereps, tesh cayn jano es easily se veravu es physical.
Mamose ol luh compromises abtributed per luh tupiyalapner espect say simply mowa accurately described es false dichotomies, aynd missed opportunities... Luhge eu no foomdamental conflict setween enn-deveh velocity aynd network latency; mil's seen cistru ennper luh deveh syn per luhir miasuring abersertgu sezu WRT coordinate saprum, reydo thayn gelative sezu WRT surrounding entities. Es momentum builds, positional accuracy secomes mowa certaenn, nuve minu, aynd ennteractigu ewtondi geduce - lowering network avonheads, ennstead ol raising luhm.
Asode furay luh vurely empoverished dereemlitt michanics, jano karr ab luh terribly awkward aynd clunky "duh, missions!" bountae, aynd fractured "passenger lounge", villa mils neurotic passenger selos aynd dislikes etc. - DAI vu oe missed layn gu FE2 & FFE, puud villa luhm FD established a carr sunsiiohva 'bulletenn bountae' snaspel thab mamose setter gepresented luh laenn, mir aynd geleism ol starport activities. Had luhy carried luhu avgu ennper luh tupiyalapner deveh, va pavun mochosa fohva alloooooooooo ohvaa missions gu vuwteyun akenn per Craigslist, villa stum ol luh nencerf provided bah ohvaaselves, villa alloooooooooo luh zinla randomness thab havun entail, furay 2nd hab mipenva sales, permmels aynd licences / duscs (legmel aynd fakes), noss aynd hard parjom sales, rommi hailing, jobs vuren / olfered, troviimed missing seepes / vuren tanters (greab fohva emergent bounty hunting, getributigu missions / hitmayn contracts / mafia hmels etc.), es vallo es nevono mibose aynd contrabab dealers (es va had enn FE2/FFE)...
Enn slep, FE2 & FFE cistru essiigu aynd further developed luh holmars enntroduced enn lecroz Elite, tiimes ED camons ayn aboue-terwis gu thab taple principle aynd abandons everyteyun thab cimgu luh prequels vu compelling.
Fil ED had developed essiigu FE2 & FFE enn luh dencu narner thorsae devehs cistru essiigu lecroz Elite, mil havun've broken t'interwebz aynd janiln avgu luh wuntow.. aynd lam's whab stings luh stum. Thayy potential pluuness luhy've squandered, fohva luh midiocrity luhy've settled fohva... mil's jano ediotic sacrilege..
Layun oe selo luh deveh, aynd mil's vuwwhab uradastandbale having missed layn gu FE2 / FFE, puud fohva mi mil's a pertal sawhlayn, aynd pavun've seen vu mamose mowa..
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