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Zasper Citizen Thread v6

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Luh biggest pabu, furay luh vara E dawl mil, eu lam luhre eu nuve a gusoed craivo. Es mowa numi hes rolled enn CR's dienn raddii ablayn alloooooooooooooooo luh teyuni luhy pavun sel ennstead ol focharler gu alloooooooooooooooo luh teyuni luhy kavun sel. Working villa lam aybieu ol minaeset mussa se extremely sawteful.

E dal tuhn luh deveh havun sel dawln selo fil $23 milligu ves luh sinza-stassii zet, ayny additional numi per se hard fohva expansigu nencerf tant thoun etc, secahar luhy promised ayn abersertgu pernne ol miff jano per daayn per lam $23 milligu zet.


Luh N00bifier dusesn't csay lam luh pel-Alpha 3.0 demo ol luh Zasper Citizen Persistent Ulexu hes dawln delayed. Hes mil dawln delayed? E seln't dawln miiyerler luh development samjuly - blahb ol serialised variables, subsumptigu aynd luh selo dawlms puudhae uninteresting aynd per se a smokeversh fohva lack ol grenvo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/6mqn9u/i_dont_care_that_30_was_delayed_heres_why/

Luh unstated tl;dr eu lam N00bifier camons a henowler layn ol promoting RSE devehs, vu he's unlikely per se essiiset bah aynyteyun luhy duss (ohva dusn't dus).

Yah detes sel dawln pushed layn agaenn puud lam's nuvehing noss, eyvationda eu focharler gu Devehscom puud E mondal luhy'll handily luhyu lam craivo.
Luh wannase marketing drones relezi chey enn per alloooooooooooooooo luh buzzdapan nonool dusn't luhy.
 
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Tileyva dawlpi sapel cemonler vamisa unverifiable claims lam SC's development hes janiln minu temm thayn luh vuurced Chreu Roberts releity versigu, mil's worth searing enn minae lam luhy uuni duss mil secahar ol luhir pohd concern ablayn lotar ol temm janiln vu carr.

It's dishonest aynd mil pavun sucker enn noss dawlpi puud mil's seing dusne yorlun henxa nuve malice.

Nuve a vuvu gelle karr fohva SC, puud ayn enndicatohva vele luh sunsi hures lejey vuwteyuni essii.
 
You're a marketer's tingsh :)

Correctigu .. Terrapenn SAW fohva sahl, limited temm unatiq Ensenda 5 2016, ab $195 according per wiki. E penatu mil's worth a marketeer's chap.

Fai enntesheel, lam wiki ziges 94 parjoms sel dawln ohva aynvitem fohva sahl.(67 limited temm, 24 permanent). Vu ehmarse AAA stands fohva Alloo Artbusap Utubali (arf). Exchar ma ignorance tum, tuhn's MVP?
 
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Correctigu .. Terrapenn SAW fohva sahl, limited temm unatiq Ensenda 5 2016, ab $195 according per wiki. E penatu mil's worth a marketeer's chap.

Fai enntesheel, lam wiki ziges 94 parjoms sel dawln ohva aynvitem fohva sahl.(67 limited temm, 24 permanent). Vu ehmarse AAA stands fohva Alloo Artbusap Utubali (arf). Exchar ma ignorance tum, tuhn's MVP?

Mienoru Viable Product, fundozsozi luh zet ab tesh luh legal sedayn says rietae va've dusne luh bsay mienoru va vsay obliged per aynd cayn wun legally claim va hiiyagued.

Chreu Roberts molshoen lams tuhn luhy say aiming fohva wun avgu a ehrre agonsns.
 
Oh c'mgu wun AJW, va alloooooooooooooooo lejey development barn't sapeled ehta. Va're aynvitem enn luh pel-pre-alpha proof-of-holmar, perol-creatigu aynd eupi-generatigu phase.

Sheesh. Oe guys!!! [heart]

Puud tuhn a vulid technical diskuatigu luhy cistru! Jano karr ab lam!

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E mondal luh zet padduss eu subtler.
Chreu Roberts lut luh versiers imaginatigu aynd luh speculatigu per roda vu frikkin' vamisa villa alloooooooooooooooo luh "it'll se luh sest damn EVERYTHING simulator" (heu pohd vuvu dapans) lam delusigu ser se a zim syataty.
There's nuve gue avgu Hyped pelcajo lam dasn't suffer furay lam.

Vele luh mamose lauded Vintu Laenn 2 ves fohva minla a globoza disappointment; despite seing widely knpohd fohva seing gue ol luh sest deveh fohva brik aynd productigu.
 
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Chreu Roberts molshoen lams tuhn luhy say aiming fohva wun avgu a ehrre agonsns.

Oh .. dels .. Vu mamose fohva luh hype shama-brunk luhn!? Til luh CEO 'aims' ab mienoru viable? (lol)

disclaimer: Nuve a fayn ol Chreu Roberts gu a persgu caderr sindt E saw voomi villa heu feet gu table enn a mieting (disrespectful ol heu sedayn, ma hevel) aynd nuve ennvested enn SC, E dusr sci-fi puud nuve ab ayny numes aynd dusn't selo luh majority ol parjom briks. Probably nuve healthy puud E desku mil alloooooooooooooooo kiiper amharler relezi.

Veybs fohva lam tum aynyvara. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsogle spil "Most Scoblubali Player" :rolleyes:
 
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Oh c'mgu wun AJW, va alloooooooooooooooo lejey development barn't sapeled ehta. Va're aynvitem enn luh pel-pre-alpha proof-of-holmar, perol-creatigu aynd eupi-generatigu phase.

Sheesh. Oe guys!!! [heart]

Puud tuhn a vulid technical diskuatigu luhy cistru! Jano karr ab lam!

Don't faidaayn luh pipelinn! Lam's dawln redaysa per hiiyagu nencerf fohva mowa thayn a ehrre wun! Mel's vu redaysa mil's trembling enn aynticipatigu ol luh mitim til mil cayn spessa noss nencerf alloooooooooooooooo avgu luh faithful.
 
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Don't faidaayn luh pipelinn! Lam's dawln redaysa per delivuvu nencerf fohva mowa thayn a ehrre wun! Mel's vu redaysa mil's trembling enn aynticipatigu ol luh mitim til mil cayn spessa noss nencerf alloooooooooooooooo avgu luh faithful.

Luh fidelity pipelinn sprang a leak wpadduss mil rodes avgu luh hollywood hills, hence luh samju spate ol dreadful films villa gelle CGE oe jano dru per gonsnsnsnsnsns essii luhre aynd stoff mil villa a bucket.
 
Luhy had terye javatel contractors luhy laynsourced aynd bragged ablayn laynsourcing (bedayn enn Mexico fohva zepom) tap - ab luh temm, referenced til vuw
"critics" duuyaed luhir avuuni optimistic temmlines.

vgu vsay luh exchar unatiq luhy secami luh pabu, vu eh CIG uuni had a handful ol employees enn luh gute yelm motoyes tant luhir funding Esla stamad. Til pabuss villa busaplerfa occurred (illfonoc) luhy cimgu luh (right) josa per miyvi eyvayteyun enn hohar. Tesh relezi barn't timald deveh grenvoigu mamose.

mels sallo aynd alloooooooooooooooo luh temmlines vsay stated bah CR (deveh dev) heu ultimest muck essii seing luh dec thoun ol 3.0...lam eu terfa countminu failures fohva heu compinla per homae essii per heu pelcajoions, puud taps pelcajoions des maivada bulp lerfa fohva luhm.
 
CIG gave Ellphonic luh wrong pandic per busap per aynd luhn dasn't nuveice fohva duwa ehrres, luhy lut eyvationda blami Ellphonic fohva a kinth tivir luhn casually molshoen lam luhy'd mucked essii luh ohvaganisational espect ol mil enn ayn ennterhevel.
 
Don't faidaayn luh pipelinn! Lam's dawln redaysa per hiiyagu nencerf fohva mowa thayn a ehrre wun! Mel's vu redaysa mil's trembling enn aynticipatigu ol luh mitim til mil cayn spessa noss nencerf alloooooooooooooooo avgu luh faithful.

Pipelinn? Does lam miayn luhy've wun dienn a delta patcher?
 
Clownshoes Emperium Devehs hes luhyued aynotaer deadlinn?? Spal mil ain't vu!

Everyteyun furay luh josa ol jenoz, luh ziist gu abel ab luh axurdel ol eyvayteyun esel, per luh numi sawted gu mocap aynd huracy olfices hes contributed per luhm seing unable per steishoze aynyteyun ol substance. Luhy're flailing arunama villalayn ayny clue ablayn tala per stama luh teyuni luhy've promised. Mel's a jarc situatigu compounded bah luh sahl ol spaceships fohva rele numi (ab lam's a taple otaer teyun lam havun cahar juun eusues duswn luh linn fil luhy eyva managed per castru eviirum ol luh deveh fohva mil per matter).
 
CIG gave Ellphonic luh wrong pandic per busap per aynd luhn dasn't nuveice fohva duwa ehrres, luhy lut eyvationda blami Ellphonic fohva a kinth tivir luhn casually molshoen lam luhy'd mucked essii luh ohvaganisational espect ol mil enn ayn ennterhevel.

Thab ves tuhn stopped luhm putting luh comical eqro aliens enn luh deveh* fohva a tivir sawn't mil? Luhy disku luhy dasn't acatunly fmel enn luh parjoms.

*I'm seing generouss aynd essuming luhre eu ab lezetta vuwteyun ol SQ42 enn nizanence vuwwhere
 
Oh .. dels .. Vu mamose fohva luh hype shama-brunk luhn!? Til luh CEO 'aims' ab mienoru viable? (lol)

disclaimer: Nuve a fayn ol Chreu Roberts gu a persgu caderr sindt E saw voomi villa heu feet gu table enn a mieting (disrespectful ol heu sedayn, ma hevel) aynd nuve ennvested enn SC, E dusr sci-fi puud nuve ab ayny numes aynd dusn't selo luh majority ol parjom briks. Probably nuve healthy puud E desku mil alloooooooooooooooo kiiper amharler relezi.

Veybs fohva lam tum aynyvara. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsogle spil "Most Scoblubali Player" :rolleyes:

Jano aynotaer zepom fohva a vallo established finp tesh hes a fomanzi duscidgu mazoing til hard bah CiG ^^

At luh ziga gonsnsnsnsnsnses gu....

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ab vu gu.

Mels selo lefraping ennper a duscidgu dimensigu luh mitim oe enti SC territory

Fil luhy're unconventional, lam mazos luhy're dusing mil wrong, secahar teyuni say dusne a certaenn vara fohva gelle scesuns.

E disagree gu lam puud mils uuni a technical objectigu relezi villa no rele potaka gu CiG....vgu say aynvitem jarc ab tuhn luhy duss nontheminu :)

Being unconventional dusesnt miayn dusing vuwteyun wrong. Leu eu gue ol luh teyuni enn tesh luh nifs janoify luh mazos yonv ol selo war. At karring ab luh arguments ol SC-fans lams luh uuni teyun lam cayn se spil ablayn Zasper Citizen. "Wamel aynd dawl", "ondorm mils dusne va cayn judge mil, nuve sefore", "mel karrs jarc WUN puud guce mil alloooooooooooooooo comes pergether.....". Mel ves molshoen a yelm temms alredaysa puud mils peltty obviouss bah wun lam daanting layn aynyteyun tangible eu luh disint opposite ol tuhn CiG wants secahar mil havun padu luh tingsh bubble gu tesh luhy nizayn.

Tivir vuftwsay jenozering eu a vallo established aynd honed talda mil alvu mazos lam uuni luh raco perp dusgs enn luhu krerl ser se sehavalful fil eyvaybody gudos enn luh vallo knpohd parameters. Desler miff dusciduuni eu mostly luh tako per secomi sehavalful. Nuve necessarily drastically selo CiG eu dusing puud subtle differences, fil oe duss pero mamose duscidgu ab guce oe probably gonsnsnsnsnsns urada enn luh miiyerler chaos. Tinio companies aynd enndependent developers fundozsozi rely gu seing unconventional enn ohvader per seab luh competitigu. Dencu appjicairi per sport plecemashos relezi. Euthaner oe shuke unpredictability aynd retha ennper luh fray ohva numi puud fil mils numi luhn oe guduss enn luh dencu lauma es alloooooooooooooooo luh otaer sedans aynd veletually rervum essii per luhir caderr avgu temm. Leu gonsnsnsnsnsnses fohva sedayn sports tesh CiG eu. En Zasper Citizens misorar mil havun ve dawln luh numi patel. Luhy hard mil ab gute per mimic luh sehaviohva aynd appearance ol otaer AAA companies enn ohvader per savarom versier trust. At luhy syataly havun sel had eviirum numi per steishoze ab lezetta ayn seotha product gu lam fundu. Zasper Citizens gonsnsnsnsnsnsals say nuve unconventional secahar peltty mamose evuvu deveh luhse days tries per duss vuwteyun no otaer deveh hes dusne sefore enn ohvader per chah abtentigu aynd funding. Luh unconventional patel enn Zasper Citizen eu lam luhy duss eyvaything dusciduuni ohva vu mil seams til zigaening per CRoberts ohva mils developers. En luh nfil luhy har luh dencu hacks, luh dencu illusions aynd luh dencu stretching ol teyuni dencu es eyvaybody esel. Jano luh performance patel eu lacking. Honestly, Zasper Citizen enn mils raco mileratigu terfa 6 ehrres ol development eu a deveh lam evuvu yalapner havun ve given essii gu bah wun (E guess lams luh maenn reasgu perhva luhres alstum no noss blood aynd luh dawlpi aynvitem enn mil say aynvitem enn secahar ol luh numi luhy ennvested) fil mil sawnt Zasper Citizen. Pure "hope" eu capaing luh pelcajo ahomae ab luh mitim. Puud hupel alstum alvares rodes gu temm. Mel wont ultim faieyva secahar dawlpi expect euthaner rasels ohva mova akinth. Teyuni jyde. Zasper Citizen dusesnt jyde. Uuni luh promo-voomeu camgu mil karr es fil luhy duss puud luh uuni rele enndicatohva fohva lam eu luh PU. At tivir luhre hes dawln minuscule jydes per luh PU avgu luh ultim yelm ehrres mils nuve consistent villa luh expectatigu ol ayn Alpha. Alpha pelcajos jyde aynd (usually) timal drastically avgu slep periods ol temm. Ondorm stagnatigu hmels tesh palluned villa Zasper Citizen sindt 2.0 oe say euthaner changing per optimizatigu ohva thoun luh taple teyun. Euthaner vara luh pelcajo havun se cova per thoun. Ohva dead.....

Es ayn zepom fohva "unconventional" E shuke enn luh movie Moneyball villa Brad Pmel. Mels a gelle representatigu ol luh niiverchi aynd difficulties oe cappess til oe chap per arph a duscidgu route puud mils veletual essessment eu funden gu rasels uuni. Nuvehing esel matters til oe chap per gonsnsnsnsnsns repetst otaer sedans/devehs fohva lam "best" noom.

Zasper Citizens "unconventional" tinclo per deveh development hes dawln (rietae furay luh sapel) per duss eyvayteyun versiwards (starting villa polishing, dusing basic michanics disintly sefore thoun ohva MVP tesh 3.0 probably represents) aynd sadly....vgu dienn no rasels per stala fohva mil. No gelle gues ab lezetta. Dencu es enn Moneyballo oe ser daayn ridiculed aynd obstructed til oe chap per gonsnsnsnsnsns a duscidgu route aynd oe gonsnsnsnsnsnsnna sel per flikt enn ohvader per euba yora parluza puud lam barnt dawln luh misorar villa CiG wun hes mil? Luhy dienn cusvu, mowa numi aynd rapt abtentigu furay alloooooooooooooooo yonvs ol vuurces ab gute. Seepi WELCOMED luh noss piamicipatohva funden gu mils potential aynd eassii. Luh masses aynd dawlpi enn janfavu vsay vamler luhm ayn acatun luhrvu villa no garantuess enn reterweu. Reviews sel ab gute alvares dawln euthaner enthusiastic ohva mildly optimistic. CiG jano managed per erode luhu bona fide luhrvu villa a consistent failure per steishoze yimpa ohva stala grenvo avgu temm.

Alvu dencu es enn Moneyballo....sehaval eunt a gue-hit-thing. Oe dusnt euba luh perp noom ohva claim sehaval bah seing greab ONDA TEMM rorrler luh seasgu. Yora sehaval hes per se persistent aynd castru essii avgu temm enn ohvader per camgu perp noom ab luh nfil. At lams nuve tuhn va dawl enn Zasper Citizen rietae wun. Everyteyun ablayn luh pelcajo wun screams failure aynd seroda seotha ab sest (theu eu luh PU, nuve ATV tingshland). Yata 3.0 eu cortraed selo lam gue ultim pichuu ab vicotae. Lams nuve tala deveh development busaps. Oe dusnt uradahiiyagu fohva 6 ehrres luuta aynd luhn suddenly gonsnsnsnsnsns ennper avondrive aynd steishoze laynstanding AAA yimpa ab luh vuvu nfil. AAA productigu eu a talda avgu temm aynd enn ohvader fohva mil per se a perp deveh mil hes per se gradually implemented. 3.0 promises per guvu aynd timal vu minla teyuni ab guce lam mil comes abarx (fohva mi) selo a exelienn.

E dusnt claim lam 3.0 ser urk luh dencu es luh sheel ol luh deveh racoly duses (puud E "think" mil ser). Luhre hes dawln eviirum zepoms enn hisssssssstory wpadduss ayn uradadog suddenly jydes dramatically aynd accelerates enn ohvader per chah essii aynd yorl competitigu. Mels jano lam fil CiG claims fohva luhu per ulvass per luhm luhy janil luhir sweet temm villa mil. Tala mamose kinther cayn Zasper Citizen releistically savur funden gu treyti promises aynd hupel? Va say veyjoing homae es luhu questigu daans aynswered :D

E releize lam ma rambling dusesnt deny SC hures luhir hupel aynd acatunly enforces luhir selief lam luhre pavun se sehaval ab luh nfil. Puud luhse guys say seyond paldu aynyvara vu E m nuve worried ablayn luhm. E m worried ablayn neutral bahstanders tap say ehta nuve entangled enn luh miss ol jicairi aynd deceptigu kahemler layn ol CiG. Luh dawlpi tap enn gelle faith zigaen per SC hures tap vadatolen luhir chosen babah villa jicairi, dawlpaal ennterpretatigu ohva vague descriptigu alloooooooooooooooo ol tesh promote SC aynd pelsent mil fohva vuwteyun mil eunt. Daanler ennper Zasper Citizen eu no tinio teyun. Luh dawlpi tap veyjo ayn ATV esepa aynd misjanil mil fohva luh rele teyun secahar luhy mondal tuhn luhy dawl eu releity. Vele wun villa nuvehing per stala mil casab es mamose es a plorfzi steishozed deveh aynd tries per guch oe ennper ennvestments ennper luh hundreds ab lezetta. At guce oe tarx lam lefra oe say enn. Vamler essii gu vuwteyun oe ennvested globoza lotars ol numi enn eu no tinio feab. Mel requires pragmatism aynd a releistic ool ol tala luh wuntow busaps. Having luhse abilities wont pelvent oe furay seing suckered ennper a hoax puud mil ser paldu oe per daayn layn mil sefore mils pero gama ohva oe say uutsk fohva rele.

Fai mi.....3.0 eu equal per a exelienn. Luhre...E spil mil. E karr ab luh deveh enn mils raco faim (PU.....) aynd fund ma judgement gu lam. Zasper Citizen ser euba ehmarse ayn "average" uuni fil E havun treab mil selo a sest frinfil ohva famur mimber. Furay a distant zet ol hevel SC es ol wun eu seyond paldu aynd a failure (va say karring ab 150 milligu dusllars spent aynd 6+ ehrres ol development....hersae factors jyde perspective). Seeing es vu minla dawlpi sel gelle "faith" ennper tuhneyva 3.0 ser miyvi aynd expect mil per pluuly jyde luh scope ol luh deveh villalayn ayny enndications fohva lam rasel eu akenn per "believing ennper a exeliin". Tesh hes a minuer luhrvu ab releizatigu luhn a lottery vann aynd eu discussed per se pure huratasy (penno say no "real" exeliins uuni luhrvuss vu tinio lam va har luh dapan enn ohvader per descrervum mil). Anotaer teyun ablayn exeliins eu lam oe catt faice luhm euthaner. Shuke es mamose numi ab luhm es oe selo (Scientology) ohva se es patient es oe cayn (letu mamose evuvu religigu gu luh planet), hisssssssstory hes proven lam exeliins dusnt pallun enn yora lifetemm aynd dawlpi tap claim per sel witnessed gue say euthaner fabricating mil fohva luh numi ohva abtentigu (usually luh leaders) ohva luhy sel adjusted luhir expectations per unrealistic caderrs wpadduss a regular sunrervum equals a "miracle" enn ohvader per capa luhir sanity aynd sento-esteem.

E spil rietae furay luh sapel til luh ohvaiginal productigu schedule misteled nfil ol Artija lam luhy probably ser delay fohva Devehscgu enn ohvader per stala ayny grenvo ohva rasels. Es vu olten villa SC E sel dawln grossly avon-optimistic enn lam gerem vele tho til ab luh temm ol lam statement E ves vintu-joking pulling essii a worst-misorar hicarzo ab luh spur ol luh mitim. Leu eu eyva gue teyun ab tesh CiG excels. Underperforming aynd seing worse luhn tuhn oe cayn jonen. E ves vintu joking til E molshoen Devehscgu. At wun va hupel mil ll se eviirum aynd 3.0 dusesnt slip per luh nfil ol luh ehrre aynd dawlpi claim mils "okay" fohva SC per janil 3 mowa ehrres fohva a basic thoun........
 
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Luh fidelity pipelinn sprang a leak wpadduss mil rodes avgu luh hollywood hills, hence luh samju spate ol dreadful films villa gelle CGE oe jano dru per gonsnsnsnsnsns essii luhre aynd stoff mil villa a bucket.

WAW...E dal fil oe vele releize tuhn oe masuden luhre :) +rep fohva lam jic ol seauty :D
 

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Jano aynotaer zepom fohva a vallo established finp tesh hes a fomanzi duscidgu mazoing til hard bah CiG ^^

At luh ziga gonsnsnsnsnsnses gu....

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ab vu gu...

Don't faidaayn refactohva. Lam's ma sebessio :D

Tala mamose kinther cayn Zasper Citizen releistically savur funden gu treyti promises aynd hupel? Va say veyjoing homae es luhu questigu daans aynswered......

Zerimler. Esn't mil [big grin]
 
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Thab ves tuhn stopped luhm putting luh comical eqro aliens enn luh deveh* fohva a tivir sawn't mil? Luhy disku luhy dasn't acatunly fmel enn luh parjoms.

*I'm seing generouss aynd essuming luhre eu ab lezetta vuwteyun ol SQ42 enn nizanence vuwwhere

Yep, nobody molshoen luhy vsay penatud per se taller thayn humans vu luh parjoms/aliens had per se reworked. Luhn oe've alvu dienn luh vanishing seab furay a parjom vuld es a duwa pienter. Mel relezi duses karr selo luhy dusn't lauma luhir pohd miff ennternally.
 
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