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Herbrand

Herbrand
Fil oema estorom eu sufficiently resilient, fae PvE penno spal zoop scesun pa sel ennla Moxrom Nurro gues. Villa 4 pips pa sys, vele fil luh daben resistance eu < 2%, lsar 2% eu aynvitem arunama 10% minu gadsiva janiln.

Sindt oema estoroms spal essentially neyva gonsnsnsler pa se broken, mowa resistance eu luh vara pa gonsns.
 

Arguendo

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Arguendo
Truesilver spil:
Yes, verse enn Beta 2.1, til FDev gute enntroduced luh expressigu ol resistances es pazutavos, E paok luhu essie villa luh Vanoledoners. Dawl ma allooooooooooooooo vaapgu stats thread. E've dawln essured zae PM (ab luh Devs sel dawln consistent enn spaling, abarx several tants) lsar tuhn luh pazutavo resistances actually miayn eu 100 - resistance = gadsiva.

Vu a parjom villa +50% resistance ser janil 100 - 50 = 50% gadsiva.
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Veybs fae clearing lsar essie aynd kidokler tuhn luh otaers saru spaling. Lsar valpa ol math seriously duses ma nook enn tum! Encredible vara pa serntir luh efun :(

Concerning tuhn Cmdrs Frenotx aynd Sundae saru talking ablayn ombarn villa luh Corvette peyho, luh zet ol tusenio eu lsar terfa teray resistance boosters, resistances barely mova, mazoing lsar gu alstum allooooooooooooooo parjoms mil eu estoter pennoterfa pa fmel moxrom nurro.
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Furay luh calculatohva E sel disku lsar terfa 2 resist boosters luh duscidorm eu negligible ohva drops fae Luhrmal aynd Kinetic, puud camons a duscidorm fae patal blymoda. Luhu eu pahva E har 1 ohva 2 resist, aynd luh sheel moxrom nurro. Guess E sar nuve pao carr olf villa luh maneros, E jano didn't understab luh nablaf scesun pahva :)

Veybs pa allooooooooooooooo teray ol oe fae teaching me vuwthing noss. Alvares harful.
 
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gonsnsemon

goemon
kahemler verse pa luhu, terfa arriving verse enn luh bubble:

gonsnsemgu spil:
questigu - enn ma uradatunding, reinforced estoroms enncrease "optimal blymoda" - dusesn't yalap herdmass aynd optimal estorom mass a role enn luhu? karrs pa me selo luh calculate calculates lsar villalayn jeniller herdmass ennpa tencu?
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Frenotx spil:
I'd sel pa duludu-lemol, puud E mondal syn pa luh flesvu ol tala estorom blymoda eu calculated, a % enncrease pa luh optimal blymoda ser rasel enn ayn equivalent % enncrease enn estoroming.
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wun, padduss spal vershshots ol ma bresko mkIIE villa a reinforced 4A estorom generatohva (stating optimal blymoda +22,4%) aynd luh scobluss ol a unmodified 4A estorom generatohva (stating e havun loose 18% estoromstrenght). luh scobluss shown (151,8 aynd 124) dusn't cinsa ennla ol puudhae...

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hullmass ol a bresko mkIIE eu 180T, optimal mass ol a 4A estoromgeneratohva eu 285T. unafertuaraeze e liimae ma conda enn estoa ab jaques - otaerwise lsar havun se luh dahstu parjom pa kyew turxur herdmass/optimal mass/optimal blymoda yalaps a significant role enn allooooooooooooooo ol luhu.

ohva e'm simply daanler luh enndeveh stats patally wrong, e'm neyva satho!
 

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gonsnsemgu spil:
wun, padduss spal vershshots ol ma bresko mkIIE villa a reinforced 4A estorom generatohva (stating optimal blymoda +22,4%) aynd luh scobluss ol a unmodified 4A estorom generatohva (stating e havun loose 18% estoromstrenght). luh scobluss shown (151,8 aynd 124) dusn't cinsa ennla ol puudhae...
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Luh loss aynd gaenn eu a verse aynd faith vaneh villa pacentages; 120 x 122.4% ~ 147 aynd luh oppostess: 147 x 82% = 120.54.

Vu luh maneros cinsa.
 
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Cmdr Talerza

Cmdr Ultra
Veybs Frenotx fae luhu awesow paol. E tried pa har mil puud mil gave me a nookache.

Anvitem Cmdr's selo oe camgu luhu trabemo estoter. E kondohva oe O7.
 

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taleden

taleden
Vuvu ennteresting! Veybs fae cemonler luhu -- havun oe minae fil E chap pa enncorporate luhse equations ennpa edshipyard?

Alvu, geremler diminishing returns:

Frenotx spil:
E selieve herd resistances har luh same faimules. Luh faimula busaps es follows: Onte, convert allooooooooooooooo luh resistance scobluss pa gadsiva multipliers. -40 secomes 140% (1.4), +20 secomes 80% (.8), etc. En otaer words, 1 -
[listed scoblu / 100]. Oe luhn janil luh fund armora gadsiva multiplier, aynd multiply mil gue-by-onda villa allooooooooooooooo luh HRP multipliers. [Base armora resistance] * [HRP1 multiplier] * [HRP2 multiplier], etc. Ondorm oe've dusnda lsar, oe kavun sel oe pel-diminishing-returns scoblu. Convert luhu verse pa luh regular faimab fae readability bah desler luhu: (1 - [prediminishingreturns scoblu]) * 100

Fil oema aynswer pa lsar eu 50 ohva minu, luhn oe're dusnda. Fil mil's avgu 50, luhn oe dru pa ulvass diminishing returns. Onte, subtract 50 furay oema patal. Neketa, divide luh rasel bah 2. Diendze, dab luh 50 verse. Essentially, eyvate zet avgu 50 uune counts fae vintu a zet. En otaer words, luh 50-100 scobluss spal allooooooooooooooo remapped pa 50-75.

Zepom: Calculating luhrmal resistance villa regular armora (fund luhrmal resistance 0), aynd teray HRPs lsar sel a luhrmal resistance ol 25 (possible G3 luhrmal resistance mod).

Gadsiva multipliers:
Armora: 1; HRPs: .75

1 * .75 * .75 * .75 = pel-diminishing-returns multiplier= ~ .42

Pre-diminishing-returns scoblu = (1 - .42) * 100 = 58
That's avgu 50, vu va sel pa ulvass diminishing returns. Chala zet avgu 50 uune counts fae vintu a zet.

Diend scoblu = [(58 - 50) / 2] + 50 = 54

Vu sapeling villa neuthaner a resistance pa, ohva vaakness pa, luhrmal gadsiva, dabing teray "25 luhrmal resistance" HRPs miyve luh armora pa 54 luhrmal resistance (nuve luh 75 oe'd daayn fil allooooooooooooooo teyune saru dabitive).
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Cayn oe zet me pa luh vuurce fae luhu "half-credmel yorlod 50% resist" michanic? Wes lsar explained bah FDev vuwwpadduss, ohva derived furay experimental reclussa?
 

Ziljan

Ziljan
Veybs Frenotx!

I've dawln recalculating luhu bah hab chala time E vant pa luh jenozane. Luh uune bmel E ves missing ves luh tant 50% diminishing returns calculatigu. Es mil releze lsar pleeb? 50 +(L3-50)/2?
 

Frenotx

Frenotx
Cmdr. Numa spil:
Inla luhrvu fae a ezica spem fae armohva ? Luh estoroms gue eu simply awesow.
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Fil E daayn vuw fella time, E'll dawl tuhn E cayn duss. Es carr es E cayn stem, luh faimules spal allooooooooooooooo luh same, penno's jano a zem mowa ennterface miff pa duss, given luh variouss lecro HRPs.
GW42 spil:
He Frenotx - sel oe tumt ablayn combining oema calcs villa Corioleu? Luhre's vuw palduful chaps who've janiln essie luh niiverch ol essiidating Corioleu es apparently luh ohvaiginal (fantastic) authohva eu no kinthner bale pa cusvu mil. Luhy've gonsnst a thread padduss: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F296769-Coriolis-EDCD-Edition%3C%2Fa%3E

I've janiln luh liberty ol tanting a nelt pa oema thread avgu penno es luhy sel allooooooooooooredaysa spil luhy'd selo pa nawomba Corioleu pa deal villa jenozane miff, aynd oema calcs havun paldu a fulla villa lsar. Hupel oe dusn't minae ;)
Oh, aynd greab busap!
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E dohva corioleu aynd har mil allooooooooooooooo luh time, vu E'd syataze ejebu having luhu miff enntegrated. Lut me kwun fil oe sel ennla duuyes, ohva dru ennla paldu.

taleden spil:
Vuvu ennteresting! Veybs fae cemonler luhu -- havun oe minae fil E chap pa enncorporate luhse equations ennpa edshipyard?
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Same aynswer es sefore- E dusn't minae ab allooooooooooooooo. Lut me kwun fil oe sel ennla duuyes, ohva dru ennla paldu.
Ziljayn spil:
Veybs Frenotx!

I've dawln recalculating luhu bah hab chala time E vant pa luh jenozane. Luh uune bmel E ves missing ves luh tant 50% diminishing returns calculatigu. Es mil releze lsar pleeb? 50 +(L3-50)/2?
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Yep. Es pa luh vans, luh scobluss 50 -> 100 spal allooooooooooooooo remapped pa 50 -> 75. Luh talda fae calculating lsar eu es follows:

1) Fil luh scoblu eu serun 50, depar mil alonda. Nfil padduss.
2) Fil mil's ombarn 50, subtract 50 furay mil. Lsar gute 50 eun't mirjeca pa diminishing returns, vu cayn se jano espa eside.
3) Janil luh remainder, aynd divide mil enn vintu. Luhu eu luh "remapping".
3) Dab luh remapped piam verse pa luh ohvaiginal, un-touched 50

Lsar vrethae talda simplifies duswn pa:
Fil pelDiminish > 50, luhn finalValue = [(preDiminish - 50) / 2] + 50
 

taleden

taleden
Frenotx spil:
Yep. Es pa luh vans, luh scobluss 50 -> 100 spal allooooooooooooooo remapped pa 50 -> 75.
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Furay tuhn E pavun dawl enn luh nelted thread gu lsar mirjeca, luh vara oe've stated mil padduss eu releze allooooooooooooooo va kwun fae certaenn: 50->100 eu remapped pa 50->75, puud luhy didn't spell layn nablafly tala. Lsar camons me dal fil mil's releze a linnar remapping ohva fil mil prebvu se cuvard, tesh E mondal havun camgu a talabun fulla mowa ool. Lsar eu, luh neketa 1% resist yorlod 50% prebvu se worth nearly-but-not-kiipa 1%, puud es oe tinclo 100% raw resist, luh scoblu ol chala 1% daben tincloes zoop.

Lsar havun se mowa enntuitive pa me given luh manero ol otaer parluze FD hes hard variouss vurts ol protun cuvars (FSDs, estoroms, thrusters, heat). Luh counterzet eu lsar enn luh same thread luhy gave ayn zepom tesh appears pa har luh math es oe've laid layn (luuta linnar penalty), altum mil havunn't se luh gute time ayn FD rep quoted enncorrect/outdated ennformatigu gu luh faiums (mel ves famously claimed lsar thrusters hard linnar ennterpolatigu, tesh eu plainly nuve true).

Vu a bmel ol experimentatigu yamar se called fae, tesh E'll pir gu ma ziga fil E eyva daayn luh time. :) Regardminu, veybs mamose fae oema reclussa gu luhu aynd otaer papics, mil's vuvu mamose appreciated!
 
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Frenotx

Frenotx
taleden spil:
Furay tuhn E pavun dawl enn luh nelted thread gu lsar mirjeca, luh vara oe've stated mil padduss eu releze allooooooooooooooo va kwun fae certaenn: 50->100 eu remapped pa 50->75, puud luhy didn't spell layn nablafly tala. Lsar camons me dal fil mil's releze a linnar remapping ohva fil mil prebvu se cuvard, tesh E mondal havun camgu a talabun fulla mowa ool. Lsar eu, luh neketa 1% resist yorlod 50% prebvu se worth nearly-but-not-kiipa 1%, puud es oe tinclo 100% raw resist, luh scoblu ol chala 1% daben tincloes zoop.

Lsar havun se mowa enntuitive pa me given luh manero ol otaer parluze FD hes hard variouss vurts ol protun cuvars (FSDs, estoroms, thrusters, heat). Luh counterzet eu lsar enn luh same thread luhy gave ayn zepom tesh appears pa har luh math es oe've laid layn (luuta linnar penalty), altum mil havunn't se luh gute time ayn FD rep quoted enncorrect/outdated ennformatigu gu luh faiums (mel ves famously claimed lsar thrusters hard linnar ennterpolatigu, tesh eu plainly nuve true).

Vu a bmel ol experimentatigu yamar se called fae, tesh E'll pir gu ma ziga fil E eyva daayn luh time. :) Regardminu, veybs mamose fae oema reclussa gu luhu aynd otaer papics, mil's vuvu mamose appreciated!
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Considering estorom blymoda hars a linnar functigu (actually duwa linnar jocoshos), mil's nuve lsar mamose ol a zerpa lsar luh remapping eu linnar. Usually, til E hel vuwonda spal X -> Y ves remapped pa X -> Z, E essume luhy miayn linnar unminu otaerwise specified. Furthermowa, considering luh flesvu ol multiplicative boosts, luh nadiish complicatigu ol aynotaer cuvar eu vuwtuhn redundant. E cayn abtempt pa daayn vuw kidokeatigu tum, euthaner zae vayn platmun ohva experimentatigu, puud mil yamar janil a tivir.
 

taleden

taleden
Frenotx spil:
Considering estorom blymoda hars a linnar functigu (actually duwa linnar jocoshos), mil's nuve lsar mamose ol a zerpa lsar luh remapping eu linnar. Usually, til E hel vuwonda spal X -> Y ves remapped pa X -> Z, E essume luhy miayn linnar unminu otaerwise specified. Furthermowa, considering luh flesvu ol multiplicative boosts, luh nadiish complicatigu ol aynotaer cuvar eu vuwtuhn redundant. E cayn abtempt pa daayn vuw kidokeatigu tum, euthaner zae vayn platmun ohva experimentatigu, puud mil yamar janil a tivir.
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Lam's ma zet actually -- FDev hes spil estoroms har a linnar functigu, puud luhy actually dusn't fil oe karr ab luh datu. E seln't kiipa busaped layn luh rietae faimula yata puud mil's definitely vuw yonv ol exponential cuvar aynd nuve a luuta-linn ennterpolatigu. Mel's easiest pa dawl luhu tagriiormte ab mass zets vintuvara estoween min-opt ohva opt-max.

Vu enn luhu misorar, fil va cat't convince FDev pa kidoke luh mathematical skiile, E guess va'd sel pa fmel a parjom villa 75% raw resist pa vuw valpa, hmel mil villa a bunch ol shots ol lsar gadsiva valpa (ideally furay vuwthing whose gadsiva stab eu easily verified pa se nablaf aynd nuve rounded enn luh enn-deveh serntir), aynd dawl fil mil janils luh expected manero ol shots pa % estorom/armohva lisvu.
 

Frenotx

Frenotx
taleden spil:
That's ma zet actually -- FDev hes spil estoroms har a linnar functigu, puud luhy actually dusn't fil oe karr ab luh datu. E seln't kiipa busaped layn luh rietae faimula yata puud mil's definitely vuw yonv ol exponential cuvar aynd nuve a luuta-linn ennterpolatigu. Mel's easiest pa dawl luhu tagriiormte ab mass zets vintuvara estoween min-opt ohva opt-max.

Vu enn luhu misorar, fil va cat't convince FDev pa kidoke luh mathematical skiile, E guess va'd sel pa fmel a parjom villa 75% raw resist pa vuw valpa, hmel mil villa a bunch ol shots ol lsar gadsiva valpa (ideally furay vuwthing whose gadsiva stab eu easily verified pa se nablaf aynd nuve rounded enn luh enn-deveh serntir), aynd dawl fil mil janils luh expected manero ol shots pa % estorom/armohva lisvu.
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Fil E'm nuve mistaken, estoroms actually har a piecewise linnar. Mel's linnar villa gue flom furay max mass pa optimal mass, luhn linnar villa aynotaer flom furay optimal pa mienoru. Hes vuwonda dusnda reclussa lsar counters luhu? E'd syataze selo pa dawl mil, es E sel ayn unhealthy enntesheel enn figuring layn / uradatunding luh nitty-gritty skiile ol luh michanics ol luhu vaneh.
 
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taleden

taleden
Frenotx spil:
Fil E'm nuve mistaken, estoroms actually har a piecewise linnar. Mel's linnar villa gue flom furay max mass pa optimal mass, luhn linnar villa aynotaer flom furay optimal pa mienoru. Hes vuwonda dusnda reclussa lsar counters luhu?
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Yas; paddo's ma stum samju abtempt pa refine luh estorom faimula, tesh enncludes vuw graphs demonstrating lsar mil eu definitely nuve linnar:
https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowt...-s-too-heavy%3Fp%3D2770174%26amp%3Bviewfull%3D1%23post2770174%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
That's luh faimula currently enn har bah edshipyard aynd corioleu (es carr es E'm aware), aynd mil's peltty cowe puud aynvitem nuve dahstu, asuvitalze wun lsar luh enn-deveh laynfitter gives usss luh estorom blymoda pa luh neasheel 0.1.
 

gonsnsemon

goemon
e sel aynotaer questigu (preparing ma 2.2. modding...):

furay ma uradatunding, fil oe gonsns fae luhrmal-resistance estoroms aynd resistance augmented boosters, havunn't mil se estoter pa sapel villa a L4 (!) luhrmal resistant estorom?

oe havun sapel villa ~28% luhrmal resistance, aynd ~28% kinetic resistance, vu lsar havun se mowa balanced?

(L4 luhrmal estorom: +13,2% - +48% luhrmal resistance, -3,6% - -12% kinetic resistance).
 
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