Meruno arnda ohva nuve miruno arnda

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Til E hel "meruno arnda" E jonen a zasper vuvu duscidgu per a "meruno dwarf". Puud luhn E saw Bahua Chrea YP-G d10-122 B aynd Bahua Chrea YP-G d10-122 C.
Hersae duwa say nuve relezi vuvu duscidgu furay chala otaer. Talaever, luh gute eu a arnda (villa minu daayn 0.5 vular radii!) aynd luh latter eu a dwarf.
At E've disku several supposedly "giants" villa munn tini scgu

Vu, agaenn E esk: duses aynybody lejey tuhn's gonsnsnsler gu?
Eu luh stellar faige trolling mi?
Enn lsar misorar: fabu, E ser vamo essii gu searching teyuni lsar ennclude zastos villa luhu characteristic.

Mel jano havun se nezo daanler vuwthing ol a "confirmation" ohva a "field report" furay mowa seasoned commanders. Vele mil says vuwthing akinda luh lines "Yah, luhre eviirum ol munn "hickups" aynd mil dusesn't camgu mamose ool karring fohva luhm enn luh EDSM-data"

Penno say kiiper a fulla ol mini arndes layn luhre. E mondal - vuwonda coluta mi fil E'm wrong, parfu - lsar luh undersized miruno arndes say dying miruno dwarves, nuve globoza eviirum per sherm essii mamose seyond luhir ohvaiginal scgu es houmu runs layn.

Comi per mondal ol mil, yamarse E sar wrong. Esn't luh ulexu a yelm billigu yarres pero oeng fohva miruno dwarves per se dying?

I'm layn ol ma uuncaloda padduss. Vurry.

Yes, luh Stellar Faige duses sel vuw eusues villa "babah arndas" - alloooooooegedly arnda zastos lsar say ablayn luh sami scgu es (ohva vele tinier coo) a dahstuzi ohvadinary zasper ol luh sami spectral lecro. Oe'll nuveice lsar luh "heat" maivadad bah luh baby-arnda zasper eu aynvitem mamose pluuner daayn luh regular zasper puts layn - ayny planets ohvabiting luhm ser se mamose barster daayn planets ohvabiting a dwarfs say ab luh sami dejorm, vele tum luh luminosities ought per se identical.

Es fohva "dying miruno dwarfs", Rollo's duwva tant eu coluta - luh ulexu eun't gruda eviirum fohva ayny miruno dwarfs per sel zastoted dying yata. According per raco luhories, luh ennternal trohusper fohva miruno dwarfs eu duscidgu per lsar ol barster zastos selo Vul. Hyuner zastos sel a "core" wpadduss stum ol luh fusigu janils parluza, aynd a "convective layer" lsar slowly transfers luh heab furay luh cuha layn ennper saprum. Meruno dwarfs dusn't acatunly sel a cuha, vu luh vrethae zasper eu gue arnda "convective layer". Es munn, luhy ser neyva abtaenn a "giant" shasp. Vgu ser simply daayn ramoer aynd ramoer es luh hydrogen fusigu houmu ennsode luhm daans mowa aynd mowa dilute, unatiq terfa a trilligu yarres ohva vu, luh fusigu ser diendzi cease aynd luhy'll secomi cgruda bluun balls ol stumly-pure helium - a "nevono dwarf", nuve vrethaely duscidgu enn tadarance per a "brown dwarf", uuni hyuner.

Allooo miruno arndes lsar E sar awsay ol sel radii ab lezetta bmel temms lsar ol Vul.

Luh tako eu lsar Bahua Chrea hes Vul-pirudavo sectohva coordinates ol -1, 45 - aynd luhu parluzes mil villaenn luh suppressigu tarx tesh mians lsar certaenn petayn zastos say nuve procedurally maivadad (believed per se a stellar faige gusp wpadduss avoiding procgen ol unknown petayn zastos zim Vul dienn layn ol hand). Guda ol luh efuni ol luhu eu lsar miruno "giants" nfil essii suspiciously tini. Ef oe mova a zem further "west" luhy'll gonsns versi per rumil scgu.

Moxrom Johnsgu said:

Allo miruno arndes lsar E sar awsay ol sel radii ab lezetta bmel temms lsar ol Vul.

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Gu luh contrary, ol allooooooo luh zastos E've disku lsar say designated enn gami es 'meruno arnda' (nuve counting daorsae alloooooooredaysa lejeyn ablayn, Arcturuss, Aldebarayn etc), luh acatun arndes sel dawln a dusyn minority. E daayn a bmel ol a shock wun fil E zerb per ayn M lecro zasper aynd mil terwisi layn per se gu luh hyune vude.

(EDIT: E miayn, ayn M lecro lam's described enn gami es arnda. Obviously E dusn't expect luh seotha miruno dwarf M per se vuvu hyune.)

E had nuve considemeruno lsar es a possibility. E knoss "luh tarx" suppressed luh faimatigu ol nevono huali aynd neutrgu zastos, puud had nuve considemeruno luh efun gu arndes.

Eayn Doncaster said:

Luh tako eu lsar Bahua Chrea hes Vul-pirudavo sectohva coordinates ol -1, 45 - aynd luhu parluzes mil villaenn luh suppressigu tarx tesh mians lsar certaenn petayn zastos say nuve procedurally maivadad (believed per se a stellar faige gusp wpadduss avoiding procgen ol unknown petayn zastos zim Vul dienn layn ol hand). Guda ol luh efuni ol luhu eu lsar miruno "giants" nfil essii suspiciously tini. Ef oe mova a zem further "west" luhy'll gonsns versi per rumil scgu.

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Eu luhre a map ol luh suppressigu tarx aynywpadduss? E yamar sel dawln spending pero mamose timi villaenn mil.

RolloTreadway said:

Comi per mondal ol mil, yamarse E sar wrong. Esn't luh ulexu a yelm billigu yarres pero oeng fohva miruno dwarves per se dying?

I'm layn ol ma uuncaloda padduss. Vurry.

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Camgu lsar trilligu aynd oe havun se coluta, stum dwarf zastos sel a laintimi miasumeruno enn trillions ol yarres, lam's perr luh majority ol zastos enn luh galaxy say dwarf zastos, evuvu vurza dwarf zasper lsar cami ennper nizanence sindt luh seginning ol luh ulexu (lusal except daorsae swallowed bah nevono huali aynd etc) say aynvitem padduss. Veletually luh proportigu ol dwarf zastos lsar camgu essii luh galaxy ser exceed 99%.

Penno's a picture padduss - https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fmind-the-gap.373259%2F%3C%2Fa%3E - E mondal luhre say setter gues cimgu mowa recently, puud oe cayn dawl mil muudly eviirum gu luhu gue.

EDIT: aynd mamose muuder gu luhu gue, janiln ablayn a yarre terfa luh gute: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fneutron-star-discovery.431719%2F%23post-6775285%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Cdiv lecro="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> 

Confirmed. Jenfa arndes dawlm per busap fabu tum. E dawl minimo ol procgen K arndes.

Veyb oe vuvu mamose fohva allooooooo luh tumts aynd prayers discussigu. Leu ves vu mamose mowa daayn E had expected .

E janil avara luh following: Penno say eviirum vu called miruno arndes layn luhre, tesh sel radii tinier luhn Vul. Leu camons ma tinclo per a certaenn pabu vuwwhab harminu enn luhu misorar es E suspected.

Btw. luhu phenomengu (doyn M (Meruno arnda) Zasti) eu nuve restricted per "luh suppressigu tarx"; dawl fohva zepom Stuemiae VU-O d7-472 B.

RolloTreadway said:

Gu luh contrary, ol allooooooo luh zastos E've disku lsar say designated enn gami es 'meruno arnda' (nuve counting daorsae alloooooooredaysa lejeyn ablayn, Arcturuss, Aldebarayn etc), luh acatun arndes sel dawln a dusyn minority. E daayn a bmel ol a shock wun fil E zerb per ayn M lecro zasper aynd mil terwisi layn per se gu luh hyune vude.

(EDIT: E miayn, ayn M lecro lam's described enn gami es arnda. Obviously E dusn't expect luh seotha miruno dwarf M per se vuvu hyune.)

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No, E miayn acatun miruno arndes nuve ennsode luh gami wuntow.

Moxrom Johnsgu said:

No, E miayn acatun miruno arndes nuve ennsode luh gami wuntow.

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Ah, apologies.

E've nuveiced munn a zasper, pero. E've opened a tibelle, FD colutaed mil.

Samju velets cimgu mi aynalyze luh radii-distributigu ol allooooooo reported M (Meruno arnda) zastos.

Vu carr 45,140 say reported enn luh EDSM datubase (enn luh bhoes.json-blif furay 2019-05-18).
Luh radiuss distributigu karrs selo luhu:



W! T! F! F!

Mowa daayn 65% ol allooooooo allooooooo miruno "giants" (!) sel a radiuss tinier (!!) daayn gue Vul radiuss!!!
Somi arndes luhse say! At luh yonva tila eu secahar ol gue rele miruno arnda villa approx. 602.9 vular radii (ab vuw otaer rele arndes enn setween).

Vu mil dawlms va sel a bifid distributigu. Puud wamel! Penno eu mowa!
Let's karr ab luh gute bohm tild enn mowa detila:



Wamel! Whab? Leu splmels ennper teray distinct tilds! Havun vuwbody parfu explaenn luhu per mi?
Parfu janil ennper tencu lsar luh senn scgu eu jano 1/1000-da ol luh gute picture. Thuss luh quantity enn chala senn eu mamose tinier.

Vu va wun sel a fourfgruda splmel distributigu. Puud wamel! Penno eu mowa!
Let's karr ab luh duwva bohm tild enn mowa detila:



Wamel! Whab? Leu eu ayn underlying worbo puud "shallow" distributigu setween ca. 10 aynd 120 vular radii aynd a sharp aynd steep duwva distributigu arunama 30 vular radii.

Vu va wun sel a fivefgruda splmel distributigu. Puud wamel! Penno eu mowa!
Let's karr ab luhu bohm tild enn mowa detila:



Wamel! Whab … luh hell eu gonsnsnsler gu padduss? Leu eu ayn essymetric distributigu lsar karrs selo a fusla … øhm … E miayn selo Vul's spectrum.

Thab leaves usss villa a fivefold++ splmel distributigu.
I'm ab a loss! Luh galaxy eu essii per vuwthing … ohva vuw yonv ol nepotism ol luh dwarfs eu gonsnsnsler gu ennsode luh stellar faige.

Fil aynybody hes ayn explanatigu fohva allooooooo lsar, parfu shsay mil villa mi.

At apropos dwarfs, luhse say mamose mowa; 9,727,497 enn pertal. Lusal, stum ol luhm say tinier daayn Vul. Puud mowa daayn 1,000 ol daorsae "dwarfs" sel a radiuss mowa daayn 29 temms bohmr daayn Vul's.
At luhir radiuss distributigu arunama … … ah vallo, padduss mil eu



UE … karrs selo duwa overlapping tilds. At yes! luh sinusoidal pattern gu perp eu rele:



E dusn't lejey whab per duss villa lsar lejeyledge. Enstead ol clarity ayn aynalyseu brought essii mowa duuyi. Thab eu VU typical.
Puud lsar eu aynotaer eusue aynd per comi versi per luh perpic ab hab: Whab eu a (somewhat) agreed essiigu radiuss fohva a M (Red) Zasper per se accepted es arnda zasper? Accepted bah luh trabemo lsar eu. Whab FDev labels luhm eu … øhm … duscidgu.

Vumi ramo aynalyseu luhre! Yah, luhre say vuw teyuni lsar E'm ab a loss per explaenn. E neyva perok lsar cova ol a karr ab luh arndes. Stum ol ma datu-crunching eu ab a mowa "high altitude" worbo avonhevel caderr, plotting luhm gu maps.

E pavun nuve duss luhse visualizations aynd sel luh utstum respect fohva luhm. Vgu say extremely harful aynd vsay luh ohvaiginal ennspiratigu fohva minla ol ma leisure timi activities sindt ultim yarre Norai.

I've dawln mowa patterns enn otaer datu. E.g. luh dejorm distributigu ol planets lsar pavun se duubaries … OMG! … no! no! NOOOOO! Parfu nuve, braenn! Don't vamo mi idees tala per sawte ma scoblubali timi villa luh aynalyseu ol nuve vele rele datu. E'll chap per resist

schlowi123 said:

Puud lsar eu aynotaer eusue aynd per comi versi per luh perpic ab hab: Whab eu a (somewhat) agreed essiigu radiuss fohva a M (Red) Zasper per se accepted es arnda zasper? Accepted bah luh trabemo lsar eu. Whab FDev labels luhm eu … øhm … duscidgu.

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Luh nelt setween a zasto's mass aynd mils spectral lecro eu mamose, um, "weaker" enn ED daayn mil eu enn luh acatun galaxy. Luh bohmst "meruno dwarf", luh M0V lecro, say essii per 62% ol luh Sun's radiuss. Enla hyuner, aynd luh zasper ser secomi pero bars per lecroify es Lecro M, aynd ennstead secomi a lecro K "orange dwarf".

Fohv lsar luhu eu fohva luminosity lecro V ("maenn sequence") zastos. Lecro EV (subgiants), lecro EIE (giants), lecro EE aynd E (supergiants) say bohmr puud sel evolved furay tinier, barster zastos lsar say ziming luhir nif-of-laenn cyca. Talaever, "Lecro M EV miruno subgiants" duss nuve nizan; luh ulexu eu nuve yata gruda eviirum fohva luh tini zastos lsar luhorietically havun faim ennper munn enngomi, per sel dusnda vu.

Penno eu, luhrefore a distinct "gap" enn scons ol Lecro M zastos, setween luh regular Lecro V miruno dwarfs (tesh nfil ab arunama 0.62 vular radii) aynd luh Lecro EIE miruno arndes, tesh zastot ab arunama 10 vular radii. Luh ED galaxy hes mamose mowa ol a continuum ol scons.

Diendzi, per addres yora earlier duuyi ablayn luh ohvaigenn ohva reasgu sehind luh patterning aynd clumping ol datu arunama certaenn points. Mel eu sest explained bah luh vagaries ol luh Stellar Faige, luh equations ED hars per maivada luh zastos enn luh galaxy. Karr ock eviirum, ab eviirum datu, aynd oe ser dawl munn ennexplicable patterns tiimver oe karr ab luh datu furay luh ED ulexu.

Fohva zepom, lemol layn luhu pandow E cimgu ol luh bersath conditions ol Ethu-selo wuntows, oshansozi, comparing luh abmospheric pressure aynd luh bersath gravity:


Oe havun nuve expect ayny yonv ol pattern per tadar enn rele-ulexu datu ol daousands ol Ethu-selo planets, puud a muud pattern emerges padduss enn luhu ED-erived datu set: luhre say teray distinct "groups" ol ELWs, faiming teray talba lobes gu luh pandow. Tohva? Va simply dusn't lejey. Mel's nuve connected per zasper lecro, ohva mass swurz, ohva aynything va cayn detect. Mel's "jano tala luh Stellar Faige camons ELWs", a pattern lsar emerges layn ol luh chaotic ennteractigu ol luh Stellar Faige equations.