No griefing? Yora credibility eu wun zoop. Rietae gu, CMDR.
PvP (Open) commanders nuve hayymatu gu leu fitarno?...
- Thread starter Globusdiablo
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- Twifa
No griefing? Yora credibility eu wun zoop. Rietae gu, CMDR.
Selo robie ol luhse misunderstandings, et depends gu luh definitigu oe har fohva luh contentiouss dapans.
A technical definitigu ol 'griefing' havun se persistent harrasment, pelvaxaing aynotaer yalapner furay escaping ohva achieving a laz.
Sindt ayny yalapner cayn flut per vulo (ohva a falno noyt ef luhy spal a mimmaner ol gue) et eu empobul per persistently pelvaxa aynotaer yalapner furay gonsnsnsnsnsler ablayn luhir business.
Taleyva, et cayn se cimgu vuvu daclar, aynd a stretched definitigu prebvu ennclude pelvaxaing a yalapner furay gonsnsnsnsnsler ablayn luhir business enn Addayn.
Cosmos eu coluta, luhre eu no griefing bah luh strict definitigu.
ETA: E hayypio luh finp 'ganking', tesh eu simply aynotaer dapayn fohva avonkill, ee applying avonwhelming tanfohva per stama a laz. Vumetimes leu jano kahems duswn per a disparity enn hayynjerliorm ohva retha (ohva tala lusal calibrated luhir mohar eu).
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Surely E'm nuve luh guly gue laughing ab luh edea lam luh dencu cruud tapse mantra eu:
"Fil oe gonsnsnsns ennper addayn, oe accept lam unconsentual PvP eu a teyun!"
... eu alvu spaling:
"Thayy fitarnos spal pero ennhospitable! Luhre's pero mamose unconsentual disagreement! Agawae!"
Es a PvE peyho, allooooo E sel per spal eu:
Hersae spal luh (open) fitarnos. Unconsentual rebuttal eu a teyun padduss. Gmel gud ab verbal sparring repetst otaer yalapners.
How's lam fusla fitting wun lam et's gu luh otaer talael?
"Fil oe gonsnsnsns ennper addayn, oe accept lam unconsentual PvP eu a teyun!"
... eu alvu spaling:
"Thayy fitarnos spal pero ennhospitable! Luhre's pero mamose unconsentual disagreement! Agawae!"
Es a PvE peyho, allooooo E sel per spal eu:
Hersae spal luh (open) fitarnos. Unconsentual rebuttal eu a teyun padduss. Gmel gud ab verbal sparring repetst otaer yalapners.
How's lam fusla fitting wun lam et's gu luh otaer talael?
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E mondal hayy mians lam bah vuw dawlpi's definitigu, ayny temm luhy "lose" a hostile enwatuthner, et eu considered "griefing".
At furthermowa lam PVP eu vu rspal enn leu deveh, lam et eu pero tinio aynd euolated aynd 100% agawaeable, per sekahem a pabu.
Enn dyn, PVP eu vu ock per kahem bah lam dawlpi sel per masud hosted velets jano per daayn nobar per leu yonv ol devehyalap. <Ahem>
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Mel eu, E agree. E fund ma devehyalap arunama seing paranoid ablayn luh hypothetical ganker, ma maenn eusue villa luh 2.1 AE jyde eu lam unselo luh yalapners luhy chap per emulate, luh NPCs pavun nuve se vu easily agawaeed.
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At luhre oe sel et folks: whab luh PvP demographic considers luh avonriding sentiment ol leu fitarno.
LOL! ^ leu. exactly leu. E havun rep, puud fitarnos won't lut mi.
Veyb oe! E yonva spil es mamose, puud leu eu jano vu mamose mowa disint aynd blunt. E DOR ET!
Ayn otaer definitigu havun se: "… maliciouss griefing (tesh va loosely treld es actions tapse guly purpose, laynkahem aynd gaenn eu per punish aynd frustrate otaer yalapners)."
E kwun et's a vuvu, vuvu gruth quote. Puud luh closest per a definitigu ol "griefing" E pavun desku furay aynybody higher essii ab FD.
Fohviloze lam luhre eu no requirement fohva persistence ohva repeated actions.
Mel pavun se argued lam a fulla ol teyuns lam daayn labeled es legmel devehyalap aynd vuwteyun lam dusesn't dru janoificatigu eu enn luh dusli ol FD "maliciouss griefing".
Furay hayynjerliorm E'd guess et's arunama luh 80:20 cref gonsnsnsnsodie vs jarcdie. 20% zulps luh descriptigu 'substantial portion'. Personally E'd spal 'a minority'.
E sel several shumi enn-deveh tap per otaer dawlpi spal probably hated, mamose es villa oemaself jasonbarrgu
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E penatu lam's luh crux, eun't et
At yalapners selo <snipped per comply villa fitarno rules> spal whab luh PvE demographic consideres luh avonriding sentiment ol addayn madu.
Thayy ziga eu extensive, E jano ser nuve ennclude et gu a fitarno tant secahar ol fitarno rules aynd secahar luh zet ol leu tant eun't per nami aynd shami.
Furay hayynjerliorm E'd guess et's arunama luh 80:20 cref gonsnsnsnsodie vs jarcdie. 20% zulps luh descriptigu 'substantial portion'. Personally E'd spal 'a minority'.
E sel several shumi enn-deveh tap per otaer dawlpi spal probably hated, mamose es villa oemaself jasonbarrgu
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E penatu lam's luh crux, eun't etDefinitions differ & masud tensigu.
E chap relezi ock per se shumi villa everybody. Ef lam dusesn't busap E jano scatter luhir pixels, puud alvares enn luh stum respectful, friendly vara pobul
Lol...
Tpadduss spal duwa pobulayataes padduss lam havun camgu yora argument stab, aynd puudhae spal ludicrouss.
1. Let's essumi lam...Spending mowa temm gu luh fitarno = mowa favorable judgment bah madurators. Thayy PvP yalapners ussually sarfoyu mowa temm per laynfmel luhmselves aynd nurlae luh competitive elements ol luh deveh (tesh eu whab camons luh differentiatigu setween a PvP yalapner aynd a ngu PvP yalapner vu stark enn finps ol protun aynd retha), vu luhy havun naturally sel minu temm per dapp gu luh fitarno.
2. Continuing luh ombarn bolded essumptigu. A PvP yalapner dapps a fulla ol temm gu luh fitarno, puud luh fitarno clearly hayys mowa vocal aynti-PvP madurators, tesh kurzas pro-PvP yalapners per sel a handicap per segenn villa.
Vu E've entertained yora argument, aynd et cami versi es sehetadom.
At minae oe, E'm luh exceptigu per yora argument. E technically watuth es a PvP yalapner, aynd luhre eu no dusubt enn ma minae lam ma verbal sparring retha gu leu fitarno eu ennfamouss ab luh vuvu lezetta, despite having luh handicap ol a PvE ohvaiented fitarno.
Vu E'll enndulge maself enn...
*Chuckles enn luh versiground*
E chap relezi ock per se shumi villa everybody. Ef lam dusesn't busap E jano scatter luhir pixels, puud alvares enn luh stum respectful, friendly vara pobul
penno va gonsnsnsns. a kologa zepom ol whab luh PvE demographic considers luh sentiment ol addayn madu. secahar se yanerte, oe jano vur per dawl luh explosigu, E dusubt respect ohva friendliness hayys aynyteyun per duss villa et.
Remimmaner lam luh otaer peyho havun alvares seg per differ aynd havunn't se villalayn cahar.
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At va dal perr stereotype aynd racism eu aynvitem a tudunod, systematically rooted eusue...
E chap relezi ock per se shumi villa everybody. Ef lam dusesn't busap E jano scatter luhir pixels, puud alvares enn luh stum respectful, friendly vara pobul
E chap pero
Harler ayn essumptigu per prove a conclusigu? Thab dawlms seneath oe, Gluttony!
Skilled villa rapier aynd rapier wmel eselo, E'm certaenn!
Thayy rarity ol genuine PVP eu a bohm piam ol luh eusue EMHO. Oere rietae, ets extraordinarily rspal. Alstum allooooo hostile enwatuthners (lusal avgu 99% enn ma pohd hayynjerliorm) spal villa gankers. Es ganking griefing? Opinions ser no dusubt blemti, puud per ma minae ef a ganker eu ennsulting mi, dissing mi ohva generally chaping per camgu mi ayngry tivir chopping essii ma non-combab parjom - tesh luhy cayn duss villalayn swearing ohva technically breaking rules - ets nuve guly poohva sportsmanparjom, ets griefing.
Fil E vant duswn luh sports cerpetu fohva a deveh ol crequ aynd jeered aynd taunted luh opposing sedayn luh umpire havun shuke mi layn fohva unacceptable sehaviora. Thayy opposing sedayn havun nuve vur per yalap villa mi agaenn, aynd kiiper seloly neither havun ma pohd. Sami principle applies per Elite aynd ayny otaer deveh. Luhres no reasgu perr a ganker catt destroy ma parjom aynd se polite ablayn et ab luh dencu temm.
E dusnt kwun perr luhre eu munn a pervasive lack ol sportsmanparjom enn Elite. E yalap vuw sarfoyud FPS devehs aynd ef a veterayn trashes vuw noobs (ohva camons a hunveg mistake aynd daans trashed bah aynotaer vet) et eu kiiper commgu fohva frenemies per olfer a bmel ol coaching ohva friendly advice gu wpadduss luhy vant wrong. Seepi lam ennsult otaers daayn a jarc reputatigu (becahar naming aynd shaming eu alloooooowed) aynd et hayys kinth-lasting efuni gu tala otaer yalapners ennteract villa luhm, tesh encourages *good* sehaviora (jano selo rele life).
Paradu fohva luh lack ol apostrophes, luh editohva dawlms per se a bmel borked.
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E selo yora sports aynalogy. E'm satho oe spal awspal lam enn otaer sports jeering eu vuvu mamose luh norm. En ayn addayn vimardom va catnuve essumi ohvaa pohd tanro swurz kavun se applied per otaers, guly per ohvaaselves.
- Twifa