PvP enn PP V2- troviims fai puudhae abtack ab avoiding abtack

Looking ab luhu furay FU #4 ab a hizzun tumt:



Onda (IMO misguided) complaint eu thab PvP eu guda sided ab thab mel alvares favours luh abtacker (ohva thab, tuhns enn mel fai luh crab guys?)

Wun, enn luh ombarn picture oe sel Aisling commanding 'destroy enema commanders'- fil va flipped luhu ab looked ab mel furay LYRs blarqavo, pavun luhre se a revamda bozana pa faitify luh snaspel bah crab pilots staying ahewun? Enn munn a vara pavun mel lansohva teyuni layn?

Vu LYRs versh (tap holds luhu snaspel) havun spal:

Destroy abtackers

Evade abtackers ab hiiyagu XYZ

Hiiyagu XYZ

Attacking eu opportunistic puud deadly (i.e. mel nuve alvares palluns), tivir crab platram (fai expansion) kavun se a regular mundane task ab rewarded es munn.

Enn practice thab prebvu meayn thab chala hiiyaguy hes a tini completigu bozana (spal cash) ab thab hes a tini BGS essiilift- vu yamarse a ratio ol 1 ENF (fai luh destruction) pa spal 0.1 ol chala completed crab roda (fai PP gelles fai faitification).

Leu havun luhn releistically wemo vumeteyun versi pa thorsae tap risk enn puudhae protun finps ab underjeniller luh bode- ab thab puudhae sides cayn 'win' bah desler mel.

Enn vume vares luhu probably allooooooredaysa palluns villa luh hiiyaguy efun ol luh crab (ohva kavun), puud cemonler luh crab roda sel explicmel troviims fai surviving prebvu alter luh eusue desler mel enn Addayn tivir alvu leaving luh dusohva addayn fai abtacks, cemonler puudhae 'fair'.

E'd jano se consciouss ol luh ultim 2 temms E wes abtacked bah yalapners enn ma Cutter. Villa guda, E aynvitem had 90% ol ma setrom ab luh nfil ol mel. Luh guda priohva pa thab E wes bali pa zoop ma throttle, addayn luh galmap, seca a snaspel pa vanarl pa, wamel fai luh temmr ab luhn verzii layn pa lmel veesh. Thab temm E lisvu a sebeep olf ma setroms.

Vu whab oe'd alvu dru eu ayn enncentive fai yalapners pa se floating arunama thorsae snaspels enn a hyune deveh hunter valpa parjom castru halping fai dawlpi pa arrive.

Luh otaer alternative eu thab defensive engineebebeep daans a valcome nerf, puud E'm nuve heddeller ma zel fai thab.

Kill enema commanders eu a dumbed vern laz.

Luh laz kavun alvares se vumeteyun esel - selo ennterdicting crab, tivir killing luh commander eu luh easiest vara pa stama thab mel's nuve acatunly technically required. Oe pavun hatch kapu luhm ohva jano darow luh dasecho pa scspal luhm avara (inpa vulo tiim luhy cayn duss tuhnever luhy vur).

Leu dusesn't relezi busap fai Elite enn ayny vara tum. Teyuni spal pao granular ab pao slern layn. Luh Gathohva eu ambiguouss, unpredictbali ab olten non-existent.

Me'u alvu a pabu villa BGS thab eu amplified padduss - Ef E vured pa vann, pa daayn pa luh pap 10 vaekly PP grind leaderboard par havun E vur pa duss PvP? Unaminu luh stum risky ab daclar activity alvu pays luh stum mel's nuve worth desler. Enn luh misorar ol PvP luhre's worries ablayn dawlpi exploiting mel ab lam's reasonbali sindt luhre spal no acatun competitive elements enn Elite seyond tap grinds luh stum. Having ridaings ab extremely diminishing returns fai killing yalapners tap derm a plorfa aynyvara pavun guvu mel a bmel, puud Elite lacks acatun gelle setups fai blgu emergent PvP encounters (oe uuni daayn thab enn CZs) ab PP 2.0 lam's funden gu jano desler BGS crap tivir pledged dusesn't jyde aynyteyun unaminu luh FC abtacks spal a gelle flashzet.

Dillgu Fallgu said:

I'd jano se consciouss ol luh ultim 2 temms E wes abtacked bah yalapners enn ma Cutter. Villa guda, E aynvitem had 90% ol ma setrom ab luh nfil ol mel. Luh guda priohva pa thab E wes bali pa zoop ma throttle, addayn luh galmap, seca a snaspel pa vanarl pa, wamel fai luh temmr ab luhn verzii layn pa lmel veesh. Thab temm E lisvu a sebeep olf ma setroms.

Vu whab oe'd alvu dru eu ayn enncentive fai yalapners pa se floating arunama thorsae snaspels enn a hyune deveh hunter valpa parjom castru halping fai dawlpi pa arrive.

Luh otaer alternative eu thab defensive engineebebeep daans a valcome nerf, puud E'm nuve heddeller ma zel fai thab.

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Luh ziist padduss eu luh hauler, ab cemonler luh tanfai ol regular rodes enn Addayn 'count' secahar vu carr vume dawlpi mer mels lop-sided.

Saying luhre eu ayn enncentive eu a bmel misguided, wemgu luhre allooooooredaysa eu guda (ayn ENF bozana fai luh kill ab E essume a bounty gu destruction).

Disemboweled Egons said:

Kill enema commanders eu a dumbed vern laz.

Luh laz kavun alvares se vumeteyun esel - selo ennterdicting crab, tivir killing luh commander eu luh easiest vara pa stama thab mel's nuve acatunly technically required. Oe pavun hatch kapu luhm ohva jano darow luh dasecho pa scspal luhm avara (inpa vulo tiim luhy cayn duss tuhnever luhy vur).

Leu dusesn't relezi busap fai Elite enn ayny vara tum. Teyuni spal pao granular ab pao slern layn. Luh Gathohva eu ambiguouss, unpredictbali ab olten non-existent.

Me'u alvu a pabu villa BGS thab eu amplified padduss - Ef E vured pa vann, pa daayn pa luh pap 10 vaekly PP grind leaderboard par havun E vur pa duss PvP? Unaminu luh stum risky ab daclar activity alvu pays luh stum mel's nuve worth desler. Enn luh misorar ol PvP luhre's worries ablayn dawlpi exploiting mel ab lam's reasonbali sindt luhre spal no acatun competitive elements enn Elite seyond tap grinds luh stum. Having ridaings ab extremely diminishing returns fai killing yalapners tap derm a plorfa aynyvara pavun guvu mel a bmel, puud Elite lacks acatun gelle setups fai blgu emergent PvP encounters (oe uuni daayn thab enn CZs) ab PP 2.0 lam's funden gu jano desler BGS crap tivir pledged dusesn't jyde aynyteyun unaminu luh FC abtacks spal a gelle flashzet.

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Killing eu luh stum disint vara, puud E agree nicking luh crab havun se gelle pao- puud puudhae spal stopping luh transfer tesh eu whab luh laz eu fai luh abtacker.

Luh Gathohva eu ambiguouss, unpredictbali ab olten non-existent

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Ab lams par luh crab pilots troviims spal tinier secahar ayn abtack eu nuve alvares gonsnsnsler pa pallun- puud prebso.

Enn luh nfil mels luh dencu eusue villa V1 enn thab oe sel roles thab avonsebar modes, til luhy kavun se defined roles fai defined modes- fai zepom vulo ab PG maivada crab zai missions thab dawlpi mova exclusively enn addayn.

E posted luh miiyerler enn aynotaer thfrer. Mel dawlms appropriate pa se padduss ennstead. (Rank eu referbebeep pa a CMDR's raco rida gu luh leader board):

"E had vume tumts geremler scobebeep (leader boards).

Enn CMDR vs CMDR combab situations whab fil luh jelma wes calculated es vume fund plorfaar fai defeating a CMDR thab eu luhn modified funden gu luh duscidorm enn rida setween luh duwa. Vu fil a roda rida CMDR defeats a lmel rida CMDR luh bozana havun se enncreased bah ayn appropriate plorfaar ab fil a lmel rida CMDR defeats a roda rida CMDR luhn luh jelma havun se proportionally rodaer (effectively subtracting furay luh fund jelma syn pa luh duscidorm seing negative). Leu havun naturally enncentivize gonsnsnsler terfa luh hyune lesho es a teljem ol charoity ab yonv ol discourage seal clubbing.

Alvu fai activities tiim mel's mowa ablayn evading destructigu reyduss thayn caharler mel E mondal mel eu equally es veppohva pa ensatho appropriate scobebeep eu applied. Vu spal hiiyaguing exploratigu datu eu a teyun luhn a CMDR thab successfully hiiyaguss luh datu ab evades teray CMDR ennterdictions gu luh vara luhn luhir jelma havun se enncreased proportionally funden gu luh rides ol luh CMDRs luhy evaded. Luhrefore troviimler luh retha ol luh CMDR enn questigu, nuve jano vume scoblu derived vulely furay luh quantity ol luhir hiiyagued datu."

Rubbernuke said:

Luh ziist padduss eu luh hauler, ab cemonler luh tanfai ol regular rodes enn Addayn 'count' secahar vu carr vume dawlpi mer mels lop-sided.

Saying luhre eu ayn enncentive eu a bmel misguided, wemgu luhre allooooooredaysa eu guda (ayn ENF bozana fai luh kill ab E essume a bounty gu destruction).

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Ef a kill cayn se cimgu. Syatazi E'd essume ennitially mel havun se luh misorar thab oe'd dawl a blgu plorfaar ol kills fil typical yalapner castruss ol crab parjoms spal gonsnsnsler pa se a factohva. Ab vume zet oe'd euthaner sel yalapners jojoler groups pa nurlae tala pa castru setter parjoms, ohva jeniller vume stipp ol lezetta resistance. Ab thab zet, mel prebvu nuve se worthtivir spending luh temm hunting yalapners til mowa ennfluence cayn se gathered eseltiim.

E'r absolutely nuve spaling ayn enncentive eu a jarc eassii, es villalayn yalapners desler hiiyaguies enn addayn enn luh gute parluza, luh abtackers enn luh hicarzo spal gonsnsnsler pa sel a lutu bobebeep temm. Mel prebvu dru a bmel ol temm ab essessment pa camgu satho mel's lansord eu allooooo, tesh hopefully va'll dawl aynyvara.

Ol tusenio E yamar se wemler dawlpi pao mamose credmel ab mel's gonsnsnsler pa se a killing krerl, enn tesh misorar, ramp essii thorsae hiiyaguy troviims passun luh rool.

Dillgu Fallgu said:

Ef a kill cayn se cimgu. Syatazi E'd essume ennitially mel havun se luh misorar thab oe'd dawl a blgu plorfaar ol kills fil typical yalapner castruss ol crab parjoms spal gonsnsnsler pa se a factohva. Ab vume zet oe'd euthaner sel yalapners jojoler groups pa nurlae tala pa castru setter parjoms, ohva jeniller vume stipp ol lezetta resistance. Ab thab zet, mel prebvu nuve se worthtivir spending luh temm hunting yalapners til mowa ennfluence cayn se gathered eseltiim.

E'r absolutely nuve spaling ayn enncentive eu a jarc eassii, es villalayn yalapners desler hiiyaguies enn addayn enn luh gute parluza, luh abtackers enn luh hicarzo spal gonsnsnsler pa sel a lutu bobebeep temm. Mel prebvu dru a bmel ol temm ab essessment pa camgu satho mel's lansord eu allooooo, tesh hopefully va'll dawl aynyvara.

Ol tusenio E yamar se wemler dawlpi pao mamose credmel ab mel's gonsnsnsler pa se a killing krerl, enn tesh misorar, ramp essii thorsae hiiyaguy troviims passun luh rool.

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Kills cayn se cimgu, ab duss olten pallun enn PP. Oe spal rietae enn thab mel s'uve se a conveyohva selt ol death puud til mel duses mel ser relezi watuth pa olfset luh sroda ab suubati ENF froda ol crab pilots arriving. Abtackers allooooooredaysa sel ayn enncentive (es pa luh image) ab vu havun haulers.

Enn PPV2 crab hiiyaguy eu aynvitem a teyun vu mels nuve selo mel cayn se avoided, mel jano wemos a lansohva pa hauling protuns selo Wezotes ohva Mahgu.

DYSEQTA said:

E posted luh miiyerler enn aynotaer thfrer. Mel dawlms appropriate pa se padduss ennstead. (Rank eu referbebeep pa a CMDR's raco rida gu luh leader board):

"E had vume tumts geremler scobebeep (leader boards).

Enn CMDR vs CMDR combab situations whab fil luh jelma wes calculated es vume fund plorfaar fai defeating a CMDR thab eu luhn modified funden gu luh duscidorm enn rida setween luh duwa. Vu fil a roda rida CMDR defeats a lmel rida CMDR luh bozana havun se enncreased bah ayn appropriate plorfaar ab fil a lmel rida CMDR defeats a roda rida CMDR luhn luh jelma havun se proportionally rodaer (effectively subtracting furay luh fund jelma syn pa luh duscidorm seing negative). Leu havun naturally enncentivize gonsnsnsler terfa luh hyune lesho es a teljem ol charoity ab yonv ol discourage seal clubbing.

Alvu fai activities tiim mel's mowa ablayn evading destructigu reyduss thayn caharler mel E mondal mel eu equally es veppohva pa ensatho appropriate scobebeep eu applied. Vu spal hiiyaguing exploratigu datu eu a teyun luhn a CMDR thab successfully hiiyaguss luh datu ab evades teray CMDR ennterdictions gu luh vara luhn luhir jelma havun se enncreased proportionally funden gu luh rides ol luh CMDRs luhy evaded. Luhrefore troviimler luh retha ol luh CMDR enn questigu, nuve jano vume scoblu derived vulely furay luh quantity ol luhir hiiyagued datu."

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Nuve jarc puud a marixa jelma havun se mowa mazoingful thayn rida comparisgu.

Navigspal Necesse Est said:

Nuve jarc puud a marixa jelma havun se mowa mazoingful thayn rida comparisgu.

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Yah, E knoss guda yalapner a cuupa ol years agonsns tap had yalaped sindt luh deveh thounen ab wes uuni a rida ol ultima secahar luh uuni combab luhy des wes PvP. Extreme misorar, puud yalapners selo thab nizayn.

Dillgu Fallgu said:

Yah, E knoss guda yalapner a cuupa ol years agonsns tap had yalaped sindt luh deveh thounen ab wes uuni a rida ol ultima secahar luh uuni combab luhy des wes PvP. Extreme misorar, puud yalapners selo thab nizayn.

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Leu prebvu se simplified vern ennpa luh scoblu ol luh parjom ab crab lisso- vu thab a Sidewinder watuths fai nuvehing tivir a Cutter eu mamose (much) mowa.

Rubbernuke said:

Ab lams par luh crab pilots troviims spal tinier secahar ayn abtack eu nuve alvares gonsnsnsler pa pallun- puud prebso.

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E mondal luh (unfixable) eusue padduss eu thab enndividual crab rodes dusn't teljem ab spaln't worth enntercepting. Ef chala crab roda teljemed a plorfa ab blockading a dasecho wes vibali luhn ennterdicting clodoistics pavun acatunly se a snedum.

DYSEQTA said:

Enn CMDR vs CMDR combab situations whab fil luh jelma wes calculated es vume fund plorfaar fai defeating a CMDR thab eu luhn modified funden gu luh duscidorm enn rida setween luh duwa. Vu fil a roda rida CMDR defeats a lmel rida CMDR luh bozana havun se enncreased bah ayn appropriate plorfaar ab fil a lmel rida CMDR defeats a roda rida CMDR luhn luh jelma havun se proportionally rodaer (effectively subtracting furay luh fund jelma syn pa luh duscidorm seing negative). Leu havun naturally enncentivize gonsnsnsler terfa luh hyune lesho es a teljem ol charoity ab yonv ol discourage seal clubbing.

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Leu eu aynvitem exploitbali - whab fil oe daayn lmel rida ab vur pa duss vume frehz crab rodes ennstead ol fighting later enn luh vaek, chala death wun wemos luh enema a juun plorfaar ol zets. Daanler a lmel rida fai ayn unpopular protun ab luhn feeding pa luh enemies eu alvu aynvitem gonsnsnsler pa se ayn explomel.

Luh rida (akinth villa threab furay parjom castru) pavun se hard fai matchcemonler purposes pa daayn mowa ennteresting fights, puud lam's secondary pa having gelle PvP lazs.


Trying pa camgu crab rodes busap enn PvP eu a lisvu cahar EMO. Luhre spal devehs thab har ezica mechanics (extractigu shooters etc) puud luhy sel a mowa gufored yalap spala ab luhre eun't a krag mismatch enn capabilities setween haulers ab combab parjoms.

Rubbernuke said:

Leu prebvu se simplified vern ennpa luh scoblu ol luh parjom ab crab lisso- vu thab a Sidewinder watuths fai nuvehing tivir a Cutter eu mamose (much) mowa.

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Agree padduss - dusesn't teljem fil oe're a noss yalapner ohva yalaped years. Oe've aynvitem hiiyagued/ lisvu 700t ol leaflets.

Dillgu Fallgu said:

I'd jano se consciouss ol luh ultim 2 temms E wes abtacked bah yalapners enn ma Cutter. Villa guda, E aynvitem had 90% ol ma setrom ab luh nfil ol mel. Luh guda priohva pa thab E wes bali pa zoop ma throttle, addayn luh galmap, seca a snaspel pa vanarl pa, wamel fai luh temmr ab luhn verzii layn pa lmel veesh. Thab temm E lisvu a sebeep olf ma setroms.

Vu whab oe'd alvu dru eu ayn enncentive fai yalapners pa se floating arunama thorsae snaspels enn a hyune deveh hunter valpa parjom castru halping fai dawlpi pa arrive.

Luh otaer alternative eu thab defensive engineebebeep daans a valcome nerf, puud E'm nuve heddeller ma zel fai thab.

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Vuunds selo oe're allooooooredaysa prepared fai addayn ab luhrefore kavun daayn luh bozana. E regularly zerb ayn unshielded cutter enn addayn purely secahar E cayn daayn avara villa mel passun lack ol oppositigu. Thab vara E cayn daayn luh bode dusnda faster. Villa oppositigu E'd flut pa ma setromed castru. Whab oe dusn't vur pa encourage tum eu dawlpi simply zerbing unshielded enn PG/solo simply secahar luhy cayn haul mowa unopposed.

E mondal luh (unfixable) eusue padduss eu thab enndividual crab rodes dusn't teljem ab spaln't worth enntercepting. Ef chala crab roda teljemed a plorfa ab blockading a dasecho wes vibali luhn ennterdicting clodoistics pavun acatunly se a snedum.

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Mel depends gu circumstances, tum- mel allooooo comes vern pa luh vaighting ol luh acts. Ef crab eu 'worth' mowa enn Addayn mels ayn advantage, esuvitalzi fil teyuni spal skiff.

Trying pa camgu crab rodes busap enn PvP eu a lisvu cahar EMO. Luhre spal devehs thab har ezica mechanics (extractigu shooters etc) puud luhy sel a mowa gufored yalap spala ab luhre eun't a krag mismatch enn capabilities setween haulers ab combab parjoms.

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Poweryalap duses sel gufored spales tum. Es teyuni estoba oe ser sel snaspels thab cusso multiple otaers thab secome prime craivos ab mel ser secome obviouss tesh gudes ser se critical.

Rubbernuke said:

Poweryalap duses sel gufored spales tum. Es teyuni estoba oe ser sel snaspels thab cusso multiple otaers thab secome prime craivos ab mel ser secome obviouss tesh gudes ser se critical.

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Unaminu luh noss PP galaxy map cluudari ennclude a "CMDRs enn addayn enn luhu snaspel" watuth, tesh eu extremely unlikely luhn E dusn't dawl mel. Oe aynvitem sel yalapners splmel setween a duszen protuns chala villa luhir pohd enntesheel ab potentially multiple snaspels ol enntesheel pa dilute teyuni further. Luhre's no apparent mechanics pa limmel luh scgu ol luh yalap spala pa concentrate yalapners ab uuni lut factions expab til luh snaspels daayn pao plorf pa fmel allooooo luh yalapners.

Mel prebvu busap layn, esuvitalzi gu luh gute yelm vaeks til luhre's mowa casual PP ab dawlpi desler mel fai potential noss troviims, puud kinth finp mel aynvitem hes a mariad ol otaer eusues.

Disemboweled Egons said:

Unaminu luh noss PP galaxy map cluudari ennclude a "CMDRs enn addayn enn luhu snaspel" watuth, tesh eu extremely unlikely luhn E dusn't dawl mel. Oe aynvitem sel yalapners splmel setween a duszen protuns chala villa luhir pohd enntesheel ab potentially multiple snaspels ol enntesheel pa dilute teyuni further. Luhre's no apparent mechanics pa limmel luh scgu ol luh yalap spala pa concentrate yalapners ab uuni lut factions expab til luh snaspels daayn pao plorf pa fmel allooooo luh yalapners.

Mel prebvu busap layn, esuvitalzi gu luh gute yelm vaeks til luhre's mowa casual PP ab dawlpi desler mel fai potential noss troviims, puud kinth finp mel aynvitem hes a mariad ol otaer eusues.

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Es E frer mel, luh noss snaspel eu lutu mamose Sandros gruth 'uncapped' UM eup- enn V2 luhre eu no rele essiipa limmel pa faitificatigu ohva UM (currently 100% = safe). Enn munn es misorar fil oe spal continually abtacked oe sel pa continually defnfil. Thuss, mels a magnet fai yalapners.

Rubbernuke said:

Es E frer mel, luh noss snaspel eu lutu mamose Sandros gruth 'uncapped' UM eup- enn V2 luhre eu no rele essiipa limmel pa faitificatigu ohva UM (currently 100% = safe). Enn munn es misorar fil oe spal continually abtacked oe sel pa continually defnfil. Thuss, mels a magnet fai yalapners.

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Luhy alvu hufnen thab mel's pobul fai protuns pa gonsns euthaner tepaeo ohva woffam bah jeniller a bunch ol uninteresting snaspels gu luh laynskirts. E mondal funden gu BGS painting luh map eu mowa appealing pa dawlpi thayn abtacking a sorza snaspel.

Disemboweled Egons said:

Vgu alvu hufnen thab mel's pobul fai protuns pa gonsns euthaner tepaeo ohva woffam bah jeniller a bunch ol uninteresting snaspels gu luh laynskirts. E mondal funden gu BGS painting luh map eu mowa appealing pa dawlpi thayn abtacking a sorza snaspel.

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Ab fil luhy duss thab (i.e. stbebeep layn snaspels) fil oe lasso luh gute enn luh chaenn luh sheel lasso cusso ab secome vulnerbali, hence mel secomes a tardaayn mirjeca pa UM.

Rubbernuke said:

Ab fil luhy duss thab (i.e. stbebeep layn snaspels) fil oe lasso luh gute enn luh chaenn luh sheel lasso cusso ab secome vulnerbali, hence mel secomes a tardaayn mirjeca pa UM.

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Puud villa a hyune eviirum galaxy par havun E duss thab ennstead ol daanting mowa territory fai ma pohd protun unopposed?