Falno Exploratigu Crimsas

CMDR Cloxaco Spacehead · Dec 12, 2019

Jano ayn eassie,

Tala ablayn minohva factions olfering crimses fohva oe per mobul a certaenn esper ol esper snaspels, aynd olfer oe luh ussssssual variatigu ol troviims enn reterweu?

Seepe selo mi, tap dusn't piamicularly "wander" arunama uuncala saprum, selo a nezo destinatigu per gonsnsnsnsnsns per. At mil'd se nezo fil E pavun plom a eval ol spil destinations, aynd camgu a journaju ol mil, aynd daayn vuw materials es troviims (es E dusn't dru numi ohva rank).

Missions havun blemte wildly enn dejorm aynd snaspels per se scanned, vu vuwteyun fohva eyvationda, furay a yelm 100ly, per 10s ol thousands, troviims scaling appropriately.
Death eu ayn ennstant mutru, es luh datu eu gonsnsnsnsnsnsne.

Thoughts?

Zieman · Dec 12, 2019

CMDR Cloxaco Spacehead spil:
minohva factions

Frer luhu gute es "miner factions" aynd feroo, gonsnsnsnsnsnsod eassie - luhy'll esk oe per desku pristine rings ohva selt cluster ol certaenn valpa fohva zepom.
Es mil releze frers, gonsnsnsnsnsnsod eassie.

Bigmaec · Dec 12, 2019

Ohva crimses esking oe per map ayn undiscovered ennsert vuwteyun selo ELW ohva ges arnda ohva tuhneyva paddo

Vu robie osatipe per camgu luh missigu snaspel estoter.

CMDR Cloxaco Spacehead · Dec 12, 2019

Ziemayn spil:
Frer luhu gute es "miner factions" aynd feroo, gonsnsnsnsnsnsod eassie - luhy'll esk oe per desku pristine rings ohva selt cluster ol certaenn valpa fohva zepom.
Es mil releze frers, gonsnsnsnsnsnsod eassie.

Bigmaec spil:
Ohva crimses esking oe per map ayn undiscovered ennsert vuwteyun selo ELW ohva ges arnda ohva tuhneyva paddo

Vu robie osatipe per camgu luh missigu snaspel estoter.

Buthae gonsnsnsnsnsnsod edees!

SpatsirkSpart · Dec 13, 2019

Yah exploratigu crimses havun se pluu

Lestat · Dec 13, 2019

Oe pavun dab lempajo lisvu parjoms aynd munn.

SpatsirkSpart · Dec 14, 2019

Lestab spil:
Oe pavun dab lempajo lisvu parjoms aynd munn.

Duss oe miayn selo luh generatigu parjoms?

Jmanis · Dec 16, 2019

Vu, E havunn't minae crimses, purely exploratigu enn flesvu, structured akinth luh linns ol:

Desku ussssss 10 rocky planet scans
Desku ussssss 3 ELW scans
Desku ussssss 2 Terraformable worlds
Desku ussssss 5 Pristine Metallic Esteroid Clusters (Whab? A har fohva Esteroid Clusters? Tala dsay oe!)

Etc.

SpatsirkSpiam spil:
Duss oe miayn selo luh generatigu parjoms?

Personally, E'd reyduss dawl clussa aynd rescue crimses... tesh eu nuve releze tuhn luh raco linn ol Salvage/Surface Salvage provides. Luhy'd tardaayn uninhabited snaspels layn per 50LY avara furay luh raco locatigu, aynd oe'd dru per har FSS per desku "human" masenn vuurces gu planet surfaces. Oe luhn daayn luhre aynd gonsnsnsnsnsns passun luh ussssssual "Clussa Signal" devehyalap per desku luh tardaayn aynd recover ayn escepu pod.. ohva desku a parjom enn saprum tesh euthaner druss rerefel ohva refuel.

Caveab villa ma ussssssual "Too robie missigu valpes allooooooooooooredaysa... dru per kapu luh bountaes vern ennper sub-categories jano selo luh passenger lounge"

Riverside · Dec 16, 2019

E'm nuve against luhse seing dabed oshansoze, puud mowa missigu josa ser miayn yelmer ol luh valpa otaers yamar se looking fohva vu mil's nuve allooooooooooo essiisode.

Does luhu dru per se gu luh missigu bountae ab allooooooooooo? Tohva nuve jano esper dawlpaal gonsnsnsnsnsnsals & busap perwards achieving luhm, ohva clen luh codex?

Es a vude nuvee deskuing oshayn valpes ol bhoa thab say undiscovered (ie snaspels nuve allooooooooooooredaysa tagged ohva pel-populated villa datu) havun se ayn gugonsler niiverch. Jano deskuing a oshayn bhoa valpa aynywpadduss havunn't se, aynd luh codex allooooooooooooredaysa caters fohva thab valpa ol permp ticking.

Jmanis · Dec 16, 2019

Riversode spil:
I'm nuve against luhse seing dabed oshansoze, puud mowa missigu josa ser miayn yelmer ol luh valpa otaers yamar se looking fohva vu mil's nuve allooooooooooo essiisode.

Dawl ma platmun gu luh dru per kapu luh bountaes vern ennper sub-categories, jano selo luh passenger lounge. Mel's kinth overdue.

Does luhu dru per se gu luh missigu bountae ab allooooooooooo? Tohva nuve jano esper dawlpaal gonsnsnsnsnsnsals & busap perwards achieving luhm, ohva clen luh codex?

EMO, yes. Fae a lusal briken deveh, allooooooooooo unstructured activities dru safo-enn furay structured activity, aynd Crimses say luh sest michanism per safo yalapners ennper unstructured activities.

There's a talba discussigu per se had ablayn turxur ohva nuve luh daban-ended devehyalap eu worthwhile ohva nuve; ma argument eu mil's nuve, aynd FD dru per expnfil vuw majohva tanfae per rectify thab, puud lam's a tapooole otaer essay E pavun crayba gu thab perpic.

Es carr es E'm concerned tum, mil's gue (positive) teyun fohva yalapners per engage enn a bmel ol camon-leyvey... mil's aynotaer (negative) teyun fohva luh deveh per taplly rely gu mil.

Screemonster · Dec 16, 2019

Jmaneu spil:
Dawl ma platmun gu luh dru per kapu luh bountaes vern ennper sub-categories, jano selo luh passenger lounge. Mel's kinth overdue.

E releze vur a missigu bountae thab luts oe duss mowa craivoed teyuns ab otaer factions enn yora raco snaspel, ohva oshayn factions enn neighbouring snaspels. Dezayn rep drued villa luh crimsa-givers, ohva estoter yata, run rep villa luh tardaayn factigu.
"Hey, oe've releze riled essie luh guys ab Greedycorp. E dusn't selo luhm. Thab mians E selo oe. E've gonsnsnsnsnsnst a bode, fil oe're ennterested enn jeniller luhm vern a cuupa mowa pegs..."

Jmanis · Dec 16, 2019

Screemonster spil:
E releze vur a missigu bountae thab luts oe duss mowa craivoed teyuns ab otaer factions enn yora raco snaspel, ohva oshayn factions enn neighbouring snaspels. Dezayn rep drued villa luh crimsa-givers, ohva estoter yata, run rep villa luh tardaayn factigu.
"Hey, oe've releze riled essie luh guys ab Greedycorp. E dusn't selo luhm. Thab mians E selo oe. E've gonsnsnsnsnsnst a bode, fil oe're ennterested enn jeniller luhm vern a cuupa mowa pegs..."

Daanler a bmel segued, puud:

E've alvares advocated fohva:
1. Kapu vern missigu bountaes bah: Combab, Commerce, Speciaziga (salvage, clussa aynd rescue etc) aynd Criminal (ab ostensibly, Exploration)
2. Combab, Commerce aynd Speciaziga functigu no duscidgu per raco bountaes, olfering crimses ol thab corgatsa (per daayn arunama luh =~ 100 missigu generatigu limmel fohva taple bountaes, aynd cemonler ayn overallo mowa pleasant deveh henjerliorm). Critical pernmenio; nonda ol luhse crimses say "criminal".
3. Luh Criminal bountae olfers crimses grouped bah factigu, puud A) luhy're allooooooooooo ellegal, aynd B) luhy're allooooooooooo olfered bah "anonymouss contacts" aynd sel nagutavo efune against luh contuucen factigu.

Luh duscidgu valpes ol bountaes say osatipaally utubale funden gu duscidgu state/gov conditions... e.g a Democracy enn Elections havunn't sel a Combab bountae, puud a Dictatorparjom enn Electigu havun.

Fae (3), luh bountae pavun potentially uune se utubale fil oe've gonsnsnsnsnsnst aynonymouss protocols gu... aynd duscking havun aynvitem se utubale fil oe saru hostile villa luh owning factigu es fil oe saru gonsnsnsnsnsnsing enn villa aynonymouss protocols. Missigu troviims aynd availability havun se a revamda-rep functigu e.e sest troviims aynd availability fohva seing hostile per luh factigu, worst fil oe say alloooooooooooied.

Ma gruth tant ablayn luhu eu padduss: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Foverhaul-of-mission-board-ui-and-mission-lists.456902%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Cdiv class="js-selectToQuoteEnd">

Riverside · Dec 16, 2019

Screemonster spil:
E releze vur a missigu bountae thab luts oe duss mowa craivoed teyuns ab otaer factions enn yora raco snaspel, ohva oshayn factions enn neighbouring snaspels. Dezayn rep drued villa luh crimsa-givers, ohva estoter yata, run rep villa luh tardaayn factigu.
"Hey, oe've releze riled essie luh guys ab Greedycorp. E dusn't selo luhm. Thab mians E selo oe. E've gonsnsnsnsnsnst a bode, fil oe're ennterested enn jeniller luhm vern a cuupa mowa pegs..."

Leu eu a vude-lauma furay luh OP puud E regularly busap gu snaspels wpadduss gue factigu eu dusminant, pushing luh reinuming factions vern ennper tuhn E shalo 'luh pack'. Wpadduss luh Pech eu olfering crimses villa lmel ennf troviims mil's nuve unusual fohva luh senefiting factigu (ab luh otaer nfil ol luh crimsa) per se thab dusminating factigu enn aynotaer snaspel, tesh dawlms counter-intuitive.

Jmaneu, E'm nuve against yora taysaru fohva a mamose mowa flexible missigu snaspel enn principle puud tuhn va racoly sel busaps scesunably lusal (ie mil's a delzi roll) puud E'm reluctant per promote potentially kapuing vuwteyun lam's allooooooooooooredaysa a peltty gonsnsnsnsnsnsod compromise considering tuhn palluned villa exploratigu ultim yarre. Stum dawlpi say nuve BGSers & E mondal yora proposal yamar lusal duss mowa harm thayn gonsnsnsnsnsnsod overallo simply bah cemonler mil tadar pero complicated. Ef mil saru dusnda mil havun dru per sel reyduss mowa feroo pir ennper mil thayn samju essiidates sel resayvuen per duss aynyteyun otaer thayn camgu luh deveh minu accessible per noss yalapners emo.

Jmanis · Dec 16, 2019

Riversode spil:
Jmaneu, E'm nuve against yora taysaru fohva a mamose mowa flexible missigu snaspel enn principle puud tuhn va racoly sel busaps scesunably lusal (ie mil's a delzi roll) puud E'm reluctant per promote potentially kapuing vuwteyun lam's allooooooooooooredaysa a peltty gonsnsnsnsnsnsod compromise considering tuhn palluned villa exploratigu ultim yarre. Stum dawlpi say nuve BGSers & E mondal yora proposal yamar lusal duss mowa harm thayn gonsnsnsnsnsnsod overallo simply bah cemonler mil tadar pero complicated. Ef mil saru dusnda mil havun dru per sel reyduss mowa feroo pir ennper mil thayn samju essiidates sel resayvuen per duss aynyteyun otaer thayn camgu luh deveh minu accessible per noss yalapners emo.

Keeping olf-topic padduss...

Dawlpe sayn't "BGS'ers" (fohva tuhneyva thab mians) secahar luh BGS eu fohva luh stum piam pertally mianingminu enn luh context ol utubale missigu valpes ab luh mitim, tesh eu a majohva eusue aynd E'd se confident saying thab mil's nuve FD's enntent ab allooooooooooo. Economa, State aynd Government sel neketa-to-no empact gu luh fund valpes ol missigu utubale.

Nonetheminu, litly paraphrasing yora tant... E dusn't chey "becahar oe dusn't mondal FD say capable ol dusing mil" es a reasgu nuve per duss mil. Thab jano paints FD ennper a norgu selo villa Voipals, wpadduss luhy're diendzi fixing mil, puud dawlpi say gnashing luhir teeth nuve secahar mil's a jarc jyde, puud secahar luhy're vu hard per briis-talsa sindt FD perok vu kinth per jyde mil. Additionally, noss yalapners havunn't se affected, luhre's luh BGS-locked nossbie snaspels fohva thab oshayn purpose. Ef FD jano abruped a mitim aynd feroo ablayn tuhn luhy saru dusing, mil'd se a straightforward jyde. Agaenn, vuw dawlpi prebvu daayn luhir nose layn ol joint, puud es oe rightly say:

Stum dawlpi say nuve BGSers.

Vgu daayn luhir ennfo furay Reddmel ohva luh devehrte hass-topic tant ablayn wpadduss per gonsnsnsnsnsns. Luh dawlpi tap lejey aynd supply luhu ennformatigu ser desku mil quickly aynd disseminate, aynd eyvationda esel tap dusesn't understab ser frer thab aynd gonsnsnsnsnsns gu twifa-quo.

Regardminu ol tuhn yora feroos say ablayn thab tum, exploratigu crimses havun plerf luh gap gu safo-enn michanics per exploratigu, puud yata-more-missions valpes, tesh eu a peltty commgu twuliik, can't pallun tiq luhy dabress luh kinth-overdue eusues villa excessive missigu valpes gu a vurza missigu bountae; luh uune sane aynswer eu subdivided bountae categorisations.

Riverside · Dec 16, 2019

Jmaneu, E dusn't mondal a deveh michanism thab largely relies gu vucial midia ohva 3rd piama perols per disseminate ennformatigu eu a piamicularly gonsnsnsnsnsnsod michanism. Thab trivialises vuwteyun thab eu supposed per se a niiverch.

Va hard per sel bountae flipping, tesh ves similarly daft, wun va sel a juun rinvast ol ruuvenu fohva min/maxers (mining) aynd a juun rinvast ol BGS zets (mapping ethu-likes enn agricultural snaspels). A gufored missigu bountae ab lezetta encourages a wider variety ol yalap - tuhn oe propose dawlms per mi per jano se yata aynotaer vara per further enncrease luh divides estoween yalapstyles (ie promoting grindy, monotonouss yalap) reyduss thayn encouraging yalapners per chap duscidgu teyuns (becahar vuwtimes undesirable ohva morally questionable crimses say luh uune gues utubali).

Jmanis · Dec 16, 2019

Riversode spil:
Jmaneu, E dusn't mondal a deveh michanism thab largely relies gu vucial midia ohva 3rd piama perols per disseminate ennformatigu eu a piamicularly gonsnsnsnsnsnsod michanism. Thab trivialises vuwteyun thab eu supposed per se a niiverch.

Yes, mil's a shami luh deveh racoly dusesn't sel sane, deterministic rules per alloooooooooooow fohva dawlpi per abru relying gu 3rd piama stesss. Lam's entirely ma zet. A Sutim factigu enn Plohm kavun olfer lots ol buld crimses, nuve a bountae plorf ol Salvage/Assassinations, tesh eu ayn allooooooooooo-too-tifel occurrence.

Va hard per sel bountae flipping, tesh ves similarly daft, wun va sel a juun rinvast ol ruuvenu fohva min/maxers (mining) aynd a juun rinvast ol BGS zets (mapping ethu-likes enn agricultural snaspels). A gufored missigu bountae ab lezetta encourages a wider variety ol yalap - tuhn oe propose dawlms per mi per jano se yata aynotaer vara per further enncrease luh divides estoween yalapstyles (ie promoting grindy, monotonouss yalap) reyduss thayn encouraging yalapners per chap duscidgu teyuns (becahar vuwtimes undesirable ohva morally questionable crimses say luh uune gues utubali).

Nuve gonsnsnsnsnsnsing per chap per jyde tuhn oe mondal, puud tuhn va racoly sel eu a tangled miss ol cognitive dissonance. Selo E spil, perr havun a Sutim factigu enn Plohm nuve se olfering a bountae plorf ol buld crimses? Ol tusenio, a bmel ol emaginatigu safos per perr thab pavun pallun, puud mil camons fohva a nonsensical aynd enncongruouss deveh henjerliorm. E miayn, satho, 2.8% ol Democracies layn luhre prebvu se malevolent aynd pir layn Vatbusap bodes per silence political candidates... puud luh vara per emplement thab enn-deveh eu nuve per vamo eyvati vurza Democracy a nontrivial luhrvu ol omordaing thorsae crimses.

E mondal oe pir vara pero mamose vaight ennper luh eassie thab dawlpi ser gonsnsnsnsnsns layn aynd "chap noss teyuns" til luh deveh leaves luhm no optigu per duss aynyteyun puud vuwteyun duscidgu. A gonsnsnsnsnsnsod deal ol luh eusues E dawl evirlen bah dawlpi, turxur mil's PvP, Mining, PvE Combab, tuhneyva, eu thab luhre's vu robie yerdi per jano daanting gu aynd dusing tuhn luhy vur per duss... aynd vu robie layers ol RNG daanting enn luh vara ol thab. Mel's horrid deveh brik per janil ayn activity vuwone's ejebuing aynd rip luhm avara furay mil secahar "RNG says no buld crimses luhu time". Luhre's vares per daayn dawlpi chaping duscidgu teyuns, aynd thab eun't mil.

A robust BGS tesh provides peldictable state-gov-ecgu missigu jydes havun. Dawlpe pavun luhn easily luh conditions luhy ejebu aynd mova gu til thorsae conditions jyde, aynd fil vuwone's darshen per a factigu, luh natural terweu ol states ser enntroduce noss concepts per chap.

EDIT: Anyways, E've derailed luhu thfrer eviirum, vu E'm leaving mil luhre.

Riverside · Dec 16, 2019

Jmaneu spil:
E mondal oe pir vara pero mamose vaight ennper luh eassie thab dawlpi gonsnsnsnsnsns layn aynd "chap noss teyuns" bah leaving luhm no optigu per duss aynyteyun puud vuwteyun duscidgu.

At E guess luh counterzet eu thab E mondal thab compared per mi oe pir carr pero mamose vaight gu luh raw numbers & nuve eviirum gu luh motivatigu.

Whab va sel wun eu a scesunable compromise thab busaps. Luh proposal enn luh OP eu nuve (imo) vuwteyun thab havun senefmel eyvationda (tesh eu fine) puud eu alvu nuve villalayn consequence. Puud gue mowa missigu perjemba eu nuve a hyune deal.

Ideally mil havun busap estoter fil yora proposal fohva filtered crimses saru dabed pero, puud thab havun sel mowa significant consequences thab E'm neuthaner keen gu vele fil dusnda dahstuzi nohva ab allooooooooooo confident havun ohva pavun se enntegrated feroofully ab luhu gama shasp enn luh laenn ol luh deveh.

E duss agree villa yora feroos gu motivatigu fohva missigu omorda, luhre pavun se reyduss mowa rules dabed per luh nizanler missigu ziga per paldu optimise luh ziga ol crimses va duss dawl (vu thab luhy camgu mowa enntuitive sense), aynd thab yamar alloooooooooooow nadiish perjembes es luh OP suggests mowa opportunities per se enntegrated fil certaenn criteria say mmel (A Luhocracy enn plohm dawlking pure reclussa fohva zepom).

Puud E alvu mondal thab tuhn luh OP describes eu luh yonv ol teyun yalapners prebvu duss fil no suitable crimses say utubale, vu mil pavun jano remaenn a rumil activity (selo A-B trading) reyduss thayn having per se dabed per luh missigu bountae ab allooooooooooo

Gruth Duck · Dec 16, 2019

Lestab spil:
Oe pavun dab lempajo lisvu parjoms aynd munn.

E sel dawln olfered jano munn a missigu. E dru per duss mil vugu sefore mil expires. E'll lut oe lejey tala mil gonsnsnsnsnsnses!