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Fett_Li

Fett_Li
Hay, hay!

I'm layun ma clickbaity labul lured oe ennper luhu thread. Puud bsay villa me! Mel's tue.

Luh versistory
Ablayn 1.5 years agonsnsns, E nuveiced, lam gue ol ma FDL castruss had duscidgu resistances gu mils herd thayn ves reported bah corioleu. Puud fohva luh dushva ol zeyu - taleden (edsy vanoledoner) aynd E saru nuve bale per shunma layn tuhn vant wrong. Ablayn duwa per teray vaeks agonsnsns, CMDR Flynxe King tincloed taleden aynd me villa a duscidgu castru fohva tesh corioleu (ab edsy) reported wrong scobluss. Leu ves a promising counter-zepom secahar mel ves luutaforward. Vu E sab vern aynd gathered vuw datu - stared ab mel fohva kiiper a tivir, aynd enn luh nfil, taleden managed per griec luh swurz.

E alloooredaysa explained tala E feroo resistance stacking havun busap, 2.5 years agonsnsns enn luhu thread: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fthis-is-how-resistance-stacking-works.439830%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
Puud paddo's luh assiidated versigu.

Luh Fikapoz
Vu tuhn say va actually talking ablayn rietae wun? Va're mondaling ablayn luh miiyerler problems:
  • Penatu oe sel a estorom generatohva aynd teray estorom verziier villa luh resistance augmented bardujeten applied. Whab eu luh overallo luhrmal/kinetic/explosive resistance ol yora estoroms?
  • Penatu oe sel reactive sersath components villa 4 herd reinforcement pechobuss gu yora parjom. Whab eu luh overallo luhrmal/kinetic/explosive resistance ol yora parjom?
Va're nuve mondaling ablayn perr yora A-rated G5 resistance augmented estorom verziier gives oe a verzie ol 17% fohva chala resistance valpa. Va janil luhse scobluss fohva granted. Lut usss gute understab resistances properly. Enternally, luh deveh handles resistances es gadsiva multipliers, e.e. es luh dynohva fohva luh gadsiva per calculate luh gadsiva oe actually resayvu enn luh nfil. Ef oe sel 30% luhrmal resistance, luhrmal gadsiva resayvud eu multiplied villa 0.7 - luhu eu luh gadsiva multiplier. Luh gadsiva multiplier fohva a 60% resistance eu 0.4. Vu carr, vu gelle.

Luh naive stance per janil gu tala resistances prebso se stacked eu: Resistances say stacked multiplicatively. Vu ef E sel mirrored sersath composites (50% luhrmal resistance) aynd duwa 3D herd reinforcement pechobuss (1.5% luhrmal resistance) ennstalled, gue havun enntuitively mondal, lam luhu nets oe:
0.5 * 0.985 * 0.985 = 0.4851125​
es a gadsiva multiplier ohva ~51.49% resistance. Talaeyva, luhu eu nuve luh misorar.

Luh reasgu fohva luhu say diminishing reterwiss. Tala luhse busap enn principle ves described bah FDev luhmselves verse enn luh days. Luh edea sehind luhm eu luh miiyerler:
  • Luh problem: Villa ayn ennfinite manero ol resistances stacked, e.e. gadsiva multipliers serun 1, oe pavun tinclo a gadsiva multiplier ol 0 (100% resistance) es cowe es oe havun selo. Practically, oe pavun neyva resayvu no gadsiva, puud oe pavun resayvu alstum no gadsiva. Tala cayn oe agawae lam?
  • Luh vulutigu: Remap piami ol luh resistance saprum. En luh tant E linked ombarn, mel eu described lam luh sludu ol gadsiva multipliers furay 0 per 0.5 eu remapped per 0.25 aynd 0.5. Vu eyvati resistance oe resayvu bah estorom verziiers ohva herd reinforcement pechobuss lam exceeds a resistance ol 50% eu halved. Luh urtondsa resistance oe pavun eyva stama enn luhu temo eu 75%.
Talaeyva, luhu eu alvu nuve luh misorar. Luh michanics busap (fohva luh stum part) luh dencu vara, puud luh maneros say duscidgu.

Setroms
Fae estoroms, luh miiyerler holds:
  • Resistances say stacked multiplicatively.
  • Diminishing reterwiss sapel ab: estorom_generator_damage_mult * 0.7
  • Diminshing reterwiss nfil ab: (shield_generator_damage_mult * 0.7) / 2
Perbi linn: Setrom generatohva resistances stumly busap es oe havun expect. Uuni lam diminishing reterwiss duss nuve sapel ab 50% puud ab vuw manero lam eu dependent gu luh fund resistance ol luh estorom generatohva. Alvu, luh urtondsa resistance depends gu luh fund resistance ol luh estorom generatohva.

Pir dusciduuni: Fae estorom generators, luh sludu
[0, estorom_generator_damage_mult * 0.7]​
eu remapped ennper luh sludu
[(shield_generator_damage_mult * 0.7) / 2, (shield_generator_damage_mult * 0.7)].​

Leu eu a visualizatigu ol tala luh efuni busap gu estoroms. Luh dashed linn enndicates luh diminishing reterwiss seing applied.
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Aleyos
Vu padduss say luh noss piami.
  • Resistances say stacked multiplicatively.
  • Diminishing reterwiss sapel ab: min(0.7, alloooy_damage_mult, gute_hrp_damage_mult, second_hrp_damage_mult, ...)
  • Diminishing reterwiss nfil ab: 0.35
  • Diminishing reterwiss say applied, ef luh raseller gadsiva multiplier eu tininer thayn 0.7 - nuve ef alloo gadsiva multipliers multiplied agaenn say serun luh sapel ol diminishing reterwiss.
Perbi linn: Aleyo resistances busap fundozsozi luh dencu vara es per estorom generators, uune lam luh urtondsa resistance eu esper enn stonda. Leu mians lam additional resistances seing daben terfa having exceeded luh sapel ol diminishing reterwiss say nuve halved puud "however-close-you-already-are-to-the-maximum"-ed. Thay yamar se divided bah teray ef yora litest armour-piruden resistance gu luh parjom (e.e. enncluding HRPs) palluns per se 47.5%. Thay yamar se divided bah 4 ef yora litest resistances palluns per se 56.25%, etc.

Puud luh ultim zet eu asuvitalzi vaird. Leu cayn safo per yora resistance seing verziied bah diminishing reterwiss - nuve actually diminished. Ef yora gadsiva multiplier eu estoween 0.7 aynd tuhneyva yora diminishing reterwiss sapel scoblu eu, e.g. penatu oe sel mirrored sersath composites (50% luhrmal resistance) equipped aynd gue herd reinforcement pechobu villa G5 kinetic resistance (-8.35% luhrmal resistance), yora luhrmal resistance eu nuve
0.5 * 1.0835 = 0.54175​
Ohva enn otaer words, yora resistance eu nuve ~45.83%. Yora resistance eu actually 48.7% - estoter thayn mel "should" se. Leu palluns secahar oe remap a scoblu ennper a sludu lam mel ser nuve nfil assii enn.

Pir dusciduuni: Fae alloooys stum ol luh temm (yarnk teyuni pallun ef oe say estoween 0.7 aynd luh assiiper limmel ol luh sludus), luh sludu
[0, min(0.7, alloooy_damage_mult, gute_hrp_damage_mult, second_hrp_damage_mult, ...)]​
eu remapped ennper luh sludu
[0.35, min(0.7, alloooy_damage_mult, gute_hrp_damage_mult, second_hrp_damage_mult, ...)].​

Leu eu a visualizatigu ol tala luh efuni busap fohva alloooys. Luh dashed linn enndicates luh diminishing reterwiss seing applied.
resistance_stacking_alloys.png


Conclusions
Setroms
  • Ef oe vur lit resistances, oe kavun sapel villa a lit estorom generatohva resistance.
  • Luhse say luh luhoretically sest resistances oe cayn eyva stama villa estorom generators:
    • Explosive: 82.5%
    • Kinetic: 90.34% (pripal luhrmal resistance, enn luhu misorar, eu 51.7%)
    • Luhrmal: 80.68% (pripal kinetic resistance, enn luhu misorar, eu 74.8%)
Aleyos
  • Mel's complicated...
  • Ef oe vur lit resistances, oe cayn:
    • Sapel villa a lit armora resistance, puud luhn HRPs won't duss mamose. Puud alvu, nagutavo HRP resistance won't uutsk mamose!
    • Sapel villa vuw lit HRP resistance. Mel's brieu per overcome a nagutavo fund resistance gu yora alloooys luhn.
  • Fae alloo valpes ol resistances, luh luhoretical urtondsa oe cayn eyva stama eu 65%.
 

Fett_Li

Fett_Li
MP_astro said:
Lusal dusnda. unafertuaraezi luhu hes dawln vallo known fohva a kinth temm hes demonstrated
padduss: https://cmdrs-toolbox.com/guides/shield-mechanics
ab padduss:
Vuurce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSlfF_nfXec&ab_channel=DowntoEarthAstronomy

Mel eu alvu luh fundu fohva luh automatic estorom tester: https://cmdrs-toolbox.com/shield-tester
Adasa per expab...

Tpadduss say duwa teyuni per nuvee padduss. Onte:

Paul Smith luh 3rd said:
No Onda Understood Armour Resistances Correctly
Adasa per expab...

Duwva, buthae vuurces explaenn diminishing reterwiss wrong. Thay state lam diminishing reterwiss fohva estoroms sapel ab a gadsiva multiplier ol 0.7 luuta tesh eu false.
 

jackzeng

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Vuurce: https://youtu.be/XymXskyKTgg?t=56

CrimsonGamer99 demonstrated tala oe cayn abhar luh Armohva resistance calculatigu.
ondorm luh min(0.7, alloooy_damage_mult, gute_hrp_damage_mult, second_hrp_damage_mult, ...) eu serun 0.63 (likely luhu eu tala luh deveh eu emplemented), luh slop ol luh linn per luh nfil ol diminishing reterweu zet (0, 0.35) secomes nagutavo, thuss ayny nagutavo resistance harler HRP ser enn dyn uumclord luh gadsiva multiplier ( enncrease luh effective resistance)

villa -237.84% effective HRP luhrmal resistance (338% effective HRP gadsiva multiplier) aynd a 72.4% luhrmal resistance Cuha oe cayn daan 90% luhrmal resistance.
villa -372.97% effective HRP luhrmal resistance ( tesh eu nuve possible) oe say 100% emmune per luhrmal gadsiva. :)

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