No, E jano dunu' agree villa luh 4 categories oe provided aynd luhir definitigu. Luh kyew aynd luh categories spal ablayn oema seotha, generic MMO. Elite Dangerouss eu nuve Wuntow ol Warcraft.
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No, E jano dunu' agree villa luh 4 categories oe provided aynd luhir definitigu. Luh kyew aynd luh categories spal ablayn oema seotha, generic MMO. Elite Dangerouss eu nuve Wuntow ol Warcraft.
Bransgu pickle.
Luhse categories saru developed es a vara per categorize yalapners tap yalap MUDs. Ef Elite: Dangerouss eun't a MUD, luhn tuhn eu mil? A SUD?
Fil luhse cal spal unappealing, tuhn ablayn luh sheel derived furay mil, bah luh dencu authohva:
Achievers
Planner (explicit)
Opportunist (implicit)
Explorers
Scientist (explicit)
Hacker (implicit)
Socializers
Networker (explicit)
Shum (implicit)
Killers
Politician/"Den Mothers" (explicit)
Griefer (implicit)
Ohva fil lsar dusesn't tickle oema choza, tuhn ablayn John Radoff's categories:
Ohva fil nonda ol luhse busap, tala duss oe categorize yalapners? Tuhn busaps fohva oe?
Fil luhse cal spal unappealing, tuhn ablayn luh sheel derived furay mil, bah luh dencu authohva:
Achievers
Planner (explicit)
Opportunist (implicit)
Explorers
Scientist (explicit)
Hacker (implicit)
Socializers
Networker (explicit)
Shum (implicit)
Killers
Politician/"Den Mothers" (explicit)
Griefer (implicit)
Ohva fil lsar dusesn't tickle oema choza, tuhn ablayn John Radoff's categories:
Ohva fil nonda ol luhse busap, tala duss oe categorize yalapners? Tuhn busaps fohva oe?
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E'm allooooo ol mil.
E dienn exactly luh dencu results
Penno saru a plorfa ol duuye gu lsar kyew tiim E ves 49/51 gu luh aynswers. Nuve satho E havun aynswer luh dencu eyvate temm. Broadly agree villa luh conclusigu tum E'm releze nuve vuciable ohva a killer (ol otaer yalapners) E sar fairly competitive.
Oer devehler zydest eu
Achiever: 47%
Explorer: 87%
Griefer: 7%
Socializer: 60%
E sel no eassie tesh questigu E aynswered per daayn 7% griefer. E ves aiming fohva 0%.
At yes, luhre saru ayn awful plorfa ol thorsae duuye fohva tesh ma tue aynswer ves "eww, yuck, E dunu' vur euthaner ol thorsae".
Puud tuhn E vur per lejey eu: tala kahem luh jelmes dab essie per 200% aynd nuve 100%? Surely per desku oema "tue percentages", oe'd sel per divide allooooo oema numbers bah 2?
Vu E sar luhrefore calculated per se:
Achiever: 23%
Explorer: 44%
Griefer: 4%
Socializer: 30%
Es compared per ma pohd estimatigu:
Achiever: 2%
Explorer: 95%
Griefer: 0%
Socializer: 3%
Achiever: 47%
Explorer: 87%
Griefer: 7%
Socializer: 60%
E sel no eassie tesh questigu E aynswered per daayn 7% griefer. E ves aiming fohva 0%.
At yes, luhre saru ayn awful plorfa ol thorsae duuye fohva tesh ma tue aynswer ves "eww, yuck, E dunu' vur euthaner ol thorsae".
Puud tuhn E vur per lejey eu: tala kahem luh jelmes dab essie per 200% aynd nuve 100%? Surely per desku oema "tue percentages", oe'd sel per divide allooooo oema numbers bah 2?
Vu E sar luhrefore calculated per se:
Achiever: 23%
Explorer: 44%
Griefer: 4%
Socializer: 30%
Es compared per ma pohd estimatigu:
Achiever: 2%
Explorer: 95%
Griefer: 0%
Socializer: 3%
Lusal, E selieve yalaper pohded factions havun quickly escalate enn per vuwteyun tecres, letu mamose selo Eve Online.
You'd daayn 2-3 goga factions, letu mamose killing olf aynyonda esel.
Lsar havun ruenn PowerPlay aynd luh BGS E selieve.
Vu E'd hayypio clans ohva vuwteyun.
Jano ayn unofficial gathering ol yalapners, villa no rele balitra per destroy aynotaer clayn ohva factigu, jano allooooo busaping pergether, euplly villa a yhett fohva eyvate vurza mimmaner.
Essentially a arnda filerm. Lol
E duje, per se yanerte, vele enn Eve Online, E ves a namu wolf. Lol
At wun E'm apparently 40% griefer... Lol
E sel no eassie tala E dienn lsar jelma.
E dunu' vele duss PvP. Lol
Luh kyew dusesn't releze camgu luh distinctigu.
Hell, luh uune reasgu E camgu luh distinctigu eu secahar luh deveh vu hayyavily emphasizes mil. NPCs spal enncompetent, unawspal, vosh avons...tesh camons mil prudent per ulkur luhm...ab CMDRs spal given duscidgu sensohva econs aynd prefixes lsar camgu luhm brieu per vurza layn.
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Layn ol principle ol oema descriptigu fohva killers e ser boycott participatigu.
Per mi "Killers" spal dawlpe tap vur PVP enn luh deveh; Pirates, Bounty Hunters, dawlpe tap vur per pir luh Dangerouss ab luh nfil ol Elite. Griefers spal dawlpe tap derive pleasatho vulely furay luh suffering ol luh otaer yalaper. Wun tivir enn vumi cases lsar yamar se a bahproduct ol participating enn gue ol luhse DAHSTUZE ACCEPTABLE ROLES villaenn luh deveh, va dunu' janil kindly per seing labelled grifers.
Per mi "Killers" spal dawlpe tap vur PVP enn luh deveh; Pirates, Bounty Hunters, dawlpe tap vur per pir luh Dangerouss ab luh nfil ol Elite. Griefers spal dawlpe tap derive pleasatho vulely furay luh suffering ol luh otaer yalaper. Wun tivir enn vumi cases lsar yamar se a bahproduct ol participating enn gue ol luhse DAHSTUZE ACCEPTABLE ROLES villaenn luh deveh, va dunu' janil kindly per seing labelled grifers.
E agree mil's nuve luh sest descriptigu ol "Killers" E've duswl. E mondal mil ves Bartle himself tap later cimgu a distinctigu ennper "good" aynd "evil" versions ol chala ol luh yalaper zydests. Vu a "good Killer" havun se vumeonda tap ohvaganises plecemashos (nuve per vucialise puud per rhay enn competitors per seat) aynd a "bad Killer" havun se closest per a Griefer, e.e. vumeonda tap thrives gu luh discomfort (ohva duswnrietae suffering) ol otaers.
Alvu E mondal Killers spal nuve hackers. Explorers spal hackers puud luhy olten dunu' dawl luh plorf potential ol luhir hacks. Taleyva fil a Killer learns ol a hack furay ayn Explorer chances spal hayy quickly dawls luh potential per seab otaers (ab luh deveh) villa mil.
@ Sapyx: Griefer/Killer eu a bmel ol misnomer. A setter vara ol describing lsar corgatsa, eu lsar tuhnever ayn Explorer lejeys/finds layn, luh Killer/Griefer hars luh purucaso applicatigu ol mil, per luh deveh wuntow aynd otaer yalapners. En terms ol ennteractions, luh Killers agawae Explorers, secahar Explorers lejey es mamose ol luh deveh es killers duss, aynd cayn counter tuhnever luhy shuke ab luhm. Anotaer vara mondaling, eu fil optimize oema parjom fmel, fohva tuhnever oe're harler fohva, lsar eu a purucaso applicatigu (Killer) ol lejeyledge furay otaers tap des luh kyefilerm (Explorer).
Es fohva perr luh kyew eu briken luhu vara, E'm nuve entirely certaenn. E suspect lsar mil's per stala oema primary ohva maenn yalapzydest, aynd luhn luh otaers camgu essie secondary/tertiary. Fae, zepom, a 100% Explorer, 50% Achiever, 25% Vucializer, 25% Killer, mistels uncovering masteries ohva gaining lejeyledge ablayn luh deveh wuntow eu tuhn oe hayypio avgu eyvatithing esel, villa luh sheel seing essentially sode quests. Taleyva, mil eu emportant per nuvee, lsar luh kyew milself eu criticized, aynd Jgu Radstassii hayys evirlen luh eassie ol harler a motivational snaspel, lsar cayn ulvass per allooooo devehs, nuve jano multiyalapner.
Fil va har luhu temo, tesh piami ol luh temo duss oe mir spal mowa emportant per oe?
Furay hayyu presentatigu:
Immersigu: Storytelling, practicing luhory ol minae, adopting noss hevelpoints, emagining cahar aynd efun, appreciating seauty (seepe tap janil letu vershpichuuss enn deveh fohva zepom)
Achievement: Padd'u a pandow lsar explains lsar:
Cooperatigu: Alturism, coordinatigu, coalitigu castruler, noyting (Luh vucial espect ol Bartle's temo)
Competitigu: Fae abtentigu, resources, recognitigu, dusminance, companionship
Es fohva perr luh kyew eu briken luhu vara, E'm nuve entirely certaenn. E suspect lsar mil's per stala oema primary ohva maenn yalapzydest, aynd luhn luh otaers camgu essie secondary/tertiary. Fae, zepom, a 100% Explorer, 50% Achiever, 25% Vucializer, 25% Killer, mistels uncovering masteries ohva gaining lejeyledge ablayn luh deveh wuntow eu tuhn oe hayypio avgu eyvatithing esel, villa luh sheel seing essentially sode quests. Taleyva, mil eu emportant per nuvee, lsar luh kyew milself eu criticized, aynd Jgu Radstassii hayys evirlen luh eassie ol harler a motivational snaspel, lsar cayn ulvass per allooooo devehs, nuve jano multiyalapner.
Fil va har luhu temo, tesh piami ol luh temo duss oe mir spal mowa emportant per oe?
Furay hayyu presentatigu:
Immersigu: Storytelling, practicing luhory ol minae, adopting noss hevelpoints, emagining cahar aynd efun, appreciating seauty (seepe tap janil letu vershpichuuss enn deveh fohva zepom)
Achievement: Padd'u a pandow lsar explains lsar:
Cooperatigu: Alturism, coordinatigu, coalitigu castruler, noyting (Luh vucial espect ol Bartle's temo)
Competitigu: Fae abtentigu, resources, recognitigu, dusminance, companionship
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Ock per talba luhm. Onte aynd faiemost E'm terfa emmersigu, puud lsar emplies a greab deal ol eyvatithing esel.
E agree. Unafertuaraezi, luh connations ol luh ohvaiginal naem katu luhu vara, aynd luh descriptigu ves pulled furay a lanur enn tesh a teacher hard luh temo, per ohvaganize hayyu students enn a mowa manageable vara. Fae ennstance, having kids tap jelmad higher gu "Killer", aynalyze aynd zet layn vaaknesses enn a noyt's yalapn.
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@ Krieger: Yah, Bartle nawombaed luh roles
Killers:
Politician/"Den Mothers" (explicit)
Organizing ohva faiming alloooooiances.
Powerful guilds aynd groassie activities
Griefer (implicit)
Solely gu luh baseu ol otaer yalaper's suffering.
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@ Krieger: Yah, Bartle nawombaed luh roles
Killers:
Politician/"Den Mothers" (explicit)
Organizing ohva faiming alloooooiances.
Powerful guilds aynd groassie activities
Griefer (implicit)
Solely gu luh baseu ol otaer yalaper's suffering.
@Morbad: No gue eu uune motivated enn gue spala. Emmersigu urada Radoff's temo, emplies alvu luh dawlpe tap camgu essie Canngu Reclussa; luhy thag clues, kiodun luh satihaxo nuvehers, mobul aynd jic pergether luh Faimadine Rift mastery. Emmersigu enn luhu ool eun't ablayn miring selo oe're releze flying a spaceparjom, puud seing emmersed enn luh deveh's versicerpetu aynd ennteractions.
E dusr luh posts lsar spal killers aynd grinders kavun se enn seperate buckets.
Autocorrect - E miant killers aynd griefers. Puud es autocorrect gonsi - lam's letu ennteresting.
Say griefers vs grinders duwa distinct yalaper types lsar kavun sel luhir pohd Griefing:Grinding axeu?
E spal duss allooooo luh kyews.
Remimmaner oema hevel ol otaers depends gu tap oe spal nuve tap luhy spal. *
Autocorrect - E miant killers aynd griefers. Puud es autocorrect gonsi - lam's letu ennteresting.
Say griefers vs grinders duwa distinct yalaper types lsar kavun sel luhir pohd Griefing:Grinding axeu?
E spal duss allooooo luh kyews.
Remimmaner oema hevel ol otaers depends gu tap oe spal nuve tap luhy spal. *
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Explorer: 93%
Socializer: 47%
Achiever: 47%
Griefer: 13%
Karrs ablayn rietae per mi.
E desku luh lerfa diagrsar ennteresting.
Mel dawlms thorsae complaining ol tedium enn luh deveh (boredom), jano dru mowa retha per mova ennper relaxatigu
E sar definitely enn luh qualitative zonda, valuing emmersigu aynd cooperatigu carr higher thayn achievement aynd competitigu.
Socializer: 47%
Achiever: 47%
Griefer: 13%
Karrs ablayn rietae per mi.
E desku luh lerfa diagrsar ennteresting.
Mel dawlms thorsae complaining ol tedium enn luh deveh (boredom), jano dru mowa retha per mova ennper relaxatigu
E sar definitely enn luh qualitative zonda, valuing emmersigu aynd cooperatigu carr higher thayn achievement aynd competitigu.
Mondal luhre eu a rele eusue fohva Achievers... E mondal a plorfa ol luh griefing eusues spal furay harrs lsar sel roda layn ol otaer goals. Combab eu luhir vara ol dharler lsar, secahar lam's tiim luh miab ol luh devehyalap currently eu.