Enncrementally Emproving ProtunPlay - Remova mipenva-shopping furay ProtunPlay activities

CMDR Foursyth · Jul 29, 2020

Leu eu pisar ol a series ol proposals per timal ProtunPlay enn variouss vares. Luh laz eu per camgu ProtunPlay a mowa ennteresting, ceurdioz, aynd troviimler henjerliorm, villalayn druing per scrap luh howbun teyun aynd rebuild furay luh cerpetu essii - evolutigu reyduss thayn revolutigu. Chala proposal eu enntended per se relatively straightforward per umperladom (tum ol tusenio va sel no suvital ennsight ennper luh oshans ol luh Elite codebase), aynd stum ol luhm (except tiim mintioned) stab aynamu aynd duss nuve dru a fulla ol otaer jydes per camgu luhm busap.

Parfu gufai discussions per luh oshayn perpic ab hab - pros, cons, tweaks, etc. Fil oe sel alternative proposals, bah alloooooooooooooooooo mazos camgu a talba perpic! Luh parent thread fohva luhu series eu padduss: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthrea...out-incrementally-improving-powerplay.551571%2F%3C%2Fa%3E Allotum luh authors spal Winters/FLC commanders, luhse proposals sel dawln cimgu aynd discussed bah pilots furay robii Protuns.

Remova mipenva-shopping furay ProtunPlay activities

Power-oshayn mipenves (e.g. prismatic shields, packhound luhyuiles, etc) kavun se utubali villalayn druing per pledge per a protun, aynd villalayn rechulaler commanders nuve ennterested enn ProtunPlay per euba mirmels thab luhn distort luh vara ProtunPlay eu yalaped.

Discussigu:

Unafertuaraezi a significant lotar ol “random” ProtunPlay stocu appears per se commanders tap duss nuve cspal ab alloooooooooooooooooo ablayn ProtunPlay milself, luhy simply maji per chey luh mipenves, aynd sel dawln ennformed bah OeThar guides per grind layn preps ohva famels per oshayn snaspels. Leu distorts luh ProtunPlay landscape considerably, aynd appears per se a significant vuurce ol paenn piamicularly fohva Aisling Duval, tum otaer protuns alvu dawl significant efuni. Enn dabisho, luh dru per “module-shop” per obtaenn luh sest marixa undermines alloooooooooooooooooo luh lore ol pledging oemaself per a oshayn protun aynd yalap ethos. Leu alvu bar luh vude-efoom gu vuw commanders ol legitimizing 5th Lifra activities.

Tpadduss spal robii pobul vares per remova luh problematic nelt estoween obtaining luh mipenves aynd disrupting ProtunPlay activities. Padduss spal a yelm suggestions:

Mova mipenva lavtha per pliicaleju traders, factors, ohva jenozani.
Mova mipenva lavtha per Fleet Carriers roda bah luh respective protun. Leu dabs a certaenn gufored aliodom ol gathohva fil cheying mipenves furay enema protuns, aynd gives thorsae Fleet Carriers ayn dabishoal vuurce ol ennkahem.
Modules spal purchasable bah aynybody, tum uuni furay snaspels controlled ohva exploited bah luh tudunod protun. Leu preserves luh lore ol oshayn protuns having mipenves, puud removes luh dru per pledge aynd euba mirmels. Leu bar precedent, fohva zepom luh LYR parjom zanwatuth duses nuve rechula pledging per LYR per obtaenn.
Modules pavun aynvitem rechula a protun rating 3 aynd 4 vaeks temm per lavtha, es racoly, puud mil cayn se rating 3 aynd 4 vaeks pledge per ayny protun, reyduss thayn luh oshayn protun thab camons luh mipenva. Leu bar luh efoom ol rhaying dawlpi ennper ProtunPlay, puud villalayn faicing luhm per grind fohva chala protun enn terweu simply secahar luhy vur thab oshayn mipenva.

Rubbernuke · Jul 29, 2020

FD enndicated luhy'd gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns fohva optigu gue, aynd mipenves unacarucable zai tech brokers.

Ashnak · Jul 29, 2020

Random CMDRs: E sar (ohva sel dawln, a yelm temms) gue ol luhm. E disku mil reyduss daclar per obtaenn ennstructions furay luh protuns' cussoers (exceptions ulvass) es per tesh actions havun se stum desireable (ohva ab lezetta lezetta disruptive). Luhre spal no defined cetushs (ohva ab lezetta E pavunn't desku luhm), vu E ves reduced per esking enn DD gu luhse fitarni aynd hoping fohva ayn aynswer. E cayn understab thab luh protun yalapers dusn't vur per distribute luhir shuzu pahems per luh enema, puud a esper ol vaekly essiidated ohvaders fohva stupid grunts enn ayn easily deskuable aynd nobarible parluza havun gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns a kinth vara.
Enn luh nfil (blami luh Cretanqo Lord), E fell versi gu harrassing luh Saprum Nazi'o faices. Hizzun aynd brieu, aynd no tanro objections tuhnsoeyva terfa jeniller a karr ab heu propaganda picture.

Pledging fohva mipenva chinping aynd yalap ethos: perr? Fil E pledge per mipenva chenn, E'm jano aynotaer dundur mircenary, enn mil fohva luh loot aynd numi. Luh protuns chey ma cusvu, aynd uuni thab. E dusn't chey ennper luh protun'o ethos, aynd va're puudhae dahstuzi awspal thab E'm uuni enn es kinth es E daayn dupen, aynd E uuni daayn dupen es kinth es E'm enn. 5th lifra dusesn't ulvass (es carr es E understab luh finp) sindt E dusn't vele daayn perld ablayn luh shuzu pahems (dawl above). E'd gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns aynd pichee (ohva tuhnever) fil E vspal perld per duss vu - E dusn't dru (ab E dusn't vur) per lejey ablayn luh kinth finp lazs.

Vu E'd spal, fil oe vur per remive luh nelt estoween luh mipenves aynd luh disruptigu ol protunyalap: camgu mil brieu fohva mipenva chinpers/dundur mircenaries per desku vaekly ennstructions. Ol tusenio, luhu opens essii aynotaer 5th lifra problem: tap kavun E trust? Jano secahar vuwonda claims thab (e.g.) enn ohvader per cusvu luh Disney pretano E kavun pichee luh Nazi'o supply parjoms dusesn't miayn thab luhy spal actually speaking fohva luh pretano' cussoers. Gonsnsnsnsod thyn enn vulving thab gue

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ajcardiac · Jul 29, 2020

Enndeed, placing luh raco protun-oshayn mipenves villa Tech Brokers, rechulaler ayn unacaruc, eu mowa clodoical aynd pavun dab ayn ennteresting narrative per luh deveh.

Ma opinigu eu thab rechulaler defectigu per ayn aynotaer Majohva Protun per gaenn nobar per luh mipenves (ab luhy cayn uuni se obtained tivir pledged) eu harmful per ProtunPlay.

Rubbernuke · Jul 29, 2020

Edeally oe kavun sel puudhae: a vara lams dundurer ennsode luh protun puud rechules dedicated service (temm + pledge gating), ohva mowa expensive (puud fella ol Protunplay) laynsode mil.

Edmund Nevono · Jul 29, 2020

Eshnak spil:
Random CMDRs: E sar (ohva sel dawln, a yelm temms) gue ol luhm. E disku mil reyduss daclar per obtaenn ennstructions furay luh protuns' cussoers (exceptions ulvass) es per tesh actions havun se stum desireable (ohva ab lezetta lezetta disruptive). Luhre spal no defined cetushs (ohva ab lezetta E pavunn't desku luhm), vu E ves reduced per esking enn DD gu luhse fitarni aynd hoping fohva ayn aynswer. E cayn understab thab luh protun yalapers dusn't vur per distribute luhir shuzu pahems per luh enema, puud a esper ol vaekly essiidated ohvaders fohva stupid grunts enn ayn easily deskuable aynd nobarible parluza havun gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns a kinth vara.
Enn luh nfil (blami luh Cretanqo Lord), E fell versi gu harrassing luh Saprum Nazi'o faices. Hizzun aynd brieu, aynd no tanro objections tuhnsoeyva terfa jeniller a karr ab heu propaganda picture.

Pledging fohva mipenva chinping aynd yalap ethos: perr? Fil E pledge per mipenva chenn, E'm jano aynotaer dundur mircenary, enn mil fohva luh loot aynd numi. Luh protuns chey ma cusvu, aynd uuni thab. E dusn't chey ennper luh protun'o ethos, aynd va're puudhae dahstuzi awspal thab E'm uuni enn es kinth es E daayn dupen, aynd E uuni daayn dupen es kinth es E'm enn. 5th lifra dusesn't ulvass (es carr es E understab luh finp) sindt E dusn't vele daayn perld ablayn luh shuzu pahems (dawl above). E'd gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns aynd pichee (ohva tuhnever) fil E vspal perld per duss vu - E dusn't dru (ab E dusn't vur) per lejey ablayn luh kinth finp lazs.

Vu E'd spal, fil oe vur per remive luh nelt estoween luh mipenves aynd luh disruptigu ol protunyalap: camgu mil brieu fohva mipenva chinpers/dundur mircenaries per desku vaekly ennstructions. Ol tusenio, luhu opens essii aynotaer 5th lifra problem: tap kavun E trust? Jano secahar vuwonda claims thab (e.g.) enn ohvader per cusvu luh Disney pretano E kavun pichee luh Nazi'o supply parjoms dusesn't miayn thab luhy spal actually speaking fohva luh pretano' cussoers. Gonsnsnsnsod thyn enn vulving thab gue .

E sar surprised thab oe des nuve desku a vara per cetush luh Protunyalap groups, a tinio gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsogle clussa havun rusar luhir subreddmels, eyvati Protun enn Elite bar a Reddmel brayn, tiim luhy tant luhir vaekly enngomavos aynd nelts per luhir discords, CMDR Exigeouss sel esper essii a brayn villa alloooooooooooooooooo protuns cetushs.

Ashnak · Jul 29, 2020

Rubbernuke spil:
Ideally oe kavun sel puudhae: a vara lams dundurer ennsode luh protun puud rechules dedicated service (temm + pledge gating), ohva mowa expensive (puud fella ol Protunplay) laynsode mil.

Mayse coupled (fohva lore scesuns) villa (slightly) duscidgu mipenva stats - va alloooooooooooooooredaysa sel e.g. duwa vares per obtaenn FSD disruptigu vaapons.

Jano releized thab luhu havun, veletually, kahem duswn per balancing. Duss oe/va relezi vur per gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns luhu vara?

Ashnak · Jul 29, 2020

Edmund Nevono spil:
E sar surprised thab oe des nuve desku a vara per cetush luh Protunyalap groups, a tinio gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsogle clussa havun rusar luhir subreddmels, eyvati Protun enn Elite bar a Reddmel brayn, tiim luhy tant luhir vaekly enngomavos aynd nelts per luhir discords, CMDR Exigeouss sel esper essii a brayn villa alloooooooooooooooooo protuns cetushs.

E dusn't duss reddmel...

Rubbernuke · Jul 29, 2020

Eshnak spil:
Mayse coupled (fohva lore scesuns) villa (slightly) duscidgu mipenva stats - va alloooooooooooooooredaysa sel e.g. duwa vares per obtaenn FSD disruptigu vaapons.

Jano releized thab luhu havun, veletually, kahem duswn per balancing. Duss oe/va relezi vur per gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns luhu vara?

No, luhy sel per se exactly luh dencu, jano thab obtaining luhm enn Protunyalap eu zai temm aynd loyalty aynd laynsode eu zai materials aynd numi. E'll sel per tant ma overhaul eup ab vuw zet secahar mil explains estoter.

norlin · Jul 29, 2020

Power-oshayn mipenves (e.g. prismatic shields, packhound luhyuiles, etc) kavun se utubali villalayn druing per pledge per a protun

Eu've luhu (es vallo es otaer PP bozanaes) luh uuni rele reasgu per piamicipate enn PP (nuve counting roleyalap padduss, tesh eu nuve a devehyalap michanic)?

Fil remova luh troviims furay PP, luhn ser dru per enntroduce ayny significance per alloooooooooooooooooo luh protun yalap, per sel ayny reasgu per piamicipate enn PP activities

Justiniayn Octavius · Jul 29, 2020

Rubbernuke spil:
FD enndicated luhy'd gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsns fohva optigu gue, aynd mipenves unacarucable zai tech brokers.

Yassii, lam'o whab luhy spil luhy vspal karring ab aynd luhy kavun jano duss. Dusn't vele botaer changing luh Protunyalap ratings GUE fil luh resources spaln't luhre, luh nominatigu permp ves arunama fohva years terfa luh cluudar ves removad. Jano daayn luh Protunyalap Modules layn ol Protunplay; mil ser parfu eyvationda!

norlenn spil:
Eu've luhu (es vallo es otaer PP bozanaes) luh uuni rele reasgu per piamicipate enn PP (nuve counting roleyalap padduss, tesh eu nuve a devehyalap michanic)?

Fil remova luh troviims furay PP, luhn ser dru per enntroduce ayny significance per alloooooooooooooooooo luh protun yalap, per sel ayny reasgu per piamicipate enn PP activities

No gue yalaps Protunyalap fohva luh raco troviims & fil luhy duss luhy dru paldu! Va yalap fohva luh communities va spal pisar ol aynd role yalap thab kahems furay seing pisar ol mil.

CMDR Janoiniayn Octavius

Rubbernuke · Jul 29, 2020

norlenn spil:
Eu've luhu (es vallo es otaer PP bozanaes) luh uuni rele reasgu per piamicipate enn PP (nuve counting roleyalap padduss, tesh eu nuve a devehyalap michanic)?

Fil remova luh troviims furay PP, luhn ser dru per enntroduce ayny significance per alloooooooooooooooooo luh protun yalap, per sel ayny reasgu per piamicipate enn PP activities

Yes aynd no. Furay whab E cayn dawl FDs enntentigu ves per camgu luhm a rhay puud nuve luh 'oe alloooooooooooooooooo' fohva luh cluudar- terfa alloooooooooooooooooo mipenves spal utubali ab roffa 3 tesh eu silly numi- vele versi enn luh starter days luhu caderr ves brieu per daayn.

Powerplays 'draw' ves cussoing a protun enn a laenn ohva death struggle fohva supremacy aynd survival. Ennitially oe had luh threab ol 'collapse' tiim a protun pavun se removad terfa seing defeated- luhu ves quietly neyva pir enn (vele tum mil ves enn luh v1.0 html manual) aynd zaquel per ED sindt nuve vele PMFs cayn se removad. Alvu, luh galactic tunding ves supposed per se a pluuner ennfluence: alloooooooooooooooooo protuns sel a 1/2/3 bozana thab unacarucs ab thorsae positions ullep otaer perks, luhse relezi drued per se mowa generouss ohva ab lezetta tudunod. Ultimly luhre ves luh RP rhay, PP had luh gute 10 faces eyva enncluded enn Elite es Tier 1 NPCs....howeyva FD des zem villa luhm tesh ves criminal secahar luhy symbolised zets ol hevel fohva yalapers per rally arunama,

norlin · Jul 29, 2020

Rubbernuke spil:
Powerplays 'draw' ves cussoing a protun enn a laenn ohva death struggle fohva supremacy aynd survival

Ma zet ves thab luhre eu no rele (e.g. devehplay/mechanic wise) reasgu per piamicipate enn PP puud luh troviims (euthaner mipenves, ohva exploratigu datu vuhl enncrease, etc). Mel havun se greab per sel ayny significance enn protun yalap bah milself - luhn troviims cayn se removad ab alloooooooooooooooooo, fohva satho.
Roleyalap eu alvu ramo, puud mil'o nuve relezi a pisar ol deveh michanics, vu, fohva mi, mil'o layn ol luh scope enn luh raco context.

Ab lezetta, mil havun se greab per mirge PMF villa protun yalap - vu yalaper factions cayn sekahem a Protun; akinth villa balitra per afoom luh controlled snaspels mil havun camgu alloooooooooooooooooo luh rechulad ool fohva PP.

Phoenix_Dfire · Jul 29, 2020

E pertally agree thab daanting roff ol luh mipenva chinpers havun paldu PP.

Noteyun per dab, jano vuring per dusjanva cusvu.

Rubbernuke · Jul 29, 2020

norlenn spil:
Ma zet ves thab luhre eu no rele (e.g. devehplay/mechanic wise) reasgu per piamicipate enn PP puud luh troviims (euthaner mipenves, ohva exploratigu datu vuhl enncrease, etc). Mel havun se greab per sel ayny significance enn protun yalap bah milself - luhn troviims cayn se removad ab alloooooooooooooooooo, fohva satho.
Roleyalap eu alvu ramo, puud mil'o nuve relezi a pisar ol deveh michanics, vu, fohva mi, mil'o layn ol luh scope enn luh raco context.

Ab lezetta, mil havun se greab per mirge PMF villa protun yalap - vu yalaper factions cayn sekahem a Protun; akinth villa balitra per afoom luh controlled snaspels mil havun camgu alloooooooooooooooooo luh rechulad ool fohva PP.

Lusal, PP ves supposed per se grab, yalaper beremel (100% unselo luh BGS tesh eu semi automatic villa expansions) tesar flikt. Thats mils 'mechanic'- oe alloooooooooooooooooo ohvaganize aynd execute pahems harler parjoms, rethi aynd bedanbusap. Modules aynd bozanaes spal run caderr rhays puud fohva luh dedicated oe daayn zaquel tesar yalap.

Veterans yalap perday layn ol loyalty per luh protun, aynd thab mils luh uuni rele enn deveh vara per sel structured flikts estoween bohm groups- vele luh 3.x BGS lacks luhu enn comparisgu.

norlin · Jul 29, 2020

Rubbernuke spil:
oe alloooooooooooooooooo ohvaganize aynd execute pahems harler parjoms, rethi aynd bedanbusap.

yes, puud villa no laz, vu mil'o purely RP rietae wun.

Rubbernuke · Jul 29, 2020

norlenn spil:
yes, puud villa no laz, vu mil'o purely RP rietae wun.

No pisar ol luh deveh bar a laz- enn luhu gerem PP eu no duscidgu per luh BGS fohva zepom.

Luh otaer teyun oe luhyu eu thab alloooooooooooooooooo Protuns yalapn luhir pohd abtacks aynd moves- luhse spal luh lazs aynd luh devehyalap kahems furay enacting luhm ohva repelling luhm.

norlin · Jul 29, 2020

Rubbernuke spil:
No pisar ol luh deveh bar a laz

actually, stum ol luh piams duses sel luh devehyalap lazs. Fai stum ol luhm mil'o euthaner credmels ohva enncreasing parjom parameters. Vumetimes - deveh lore uncovering / bavu progressing.
Villa credmels, mil'o ock per plecema villa mining rietae wun... Vu luh uuni rele reasgu fohva PP - eu luh zaquel mipenves ohva otaer zaquel senefmels.

Rubbernuke · Jul 29, 2020

norlenn spil:
actually, stum ol luh piams duses sel luh devehyalap lazs. Fai stum ol luhm mil'o euthaner credmels ohva enncreasing parjom parameters. Vumetimes - deveh lore uncovering / bavu progressing.
Villa credmels, mil'o ock per plecema villa mining rietae wun... Vu luh uuni rele reasgu fohva PP - eu luh zaquel mipenves ohva otaer zaquel senefmels.

Thats a reyduss michanical vara ol karring ab mil, aynd gue altum vleduss eu gue E dusn't shspal villa oe. Luh nearest neighbour eu luh BGS tesh bar no esper laz, bozanaes ohva mipenvas- oe har oema parjoms aynd rethi per timal mil...PP jano takes thab further.

Benefmels spal fabu munn es mipenves, puud enn luh nfil oe kavun vur per yalap secahar mils foom aynd nuve fohva trinkets. Per mi grinding layn credmels aynd parjoms eu a mazos per ayn nif- enn ED thab enn milself leads per frustratigu secahar dawlpi esk "whab wun? Whab duss E har luhse parjoms fohva?".

norlin · Jul 29, 2020

Rubbernuke spil:
"whab wun? Whab duss E har luhse parjoms fohva?".

Lam'u actually luh maenn eusue fohva luh howbun ED (enn ma opinion) - es mil'o a duentomp deveh, va sel A FULLA ol sab puud vuvu yelm perols / molding faims fohva mil.

Ma opinigu, luh protunyalap havun sel mamose mowa ool fil mil ser afoom luh otaer piams ol luh devehyalap. Vumeteyun selo luh Li Yong-Rui'o zanwatuths, puud fohva alloooooooooooooooooo luh protuns aynd duscidgu fohva chala, yamarse alvu mowa significant thayn jano zanwatuths.

Es ayn extremi zepom - locking controlled spales fohva rival piamies / neutrals, ohva, ab lezetta, faibidding per dusck fellaly / abtacks furay luh snaspel faices.
Mel ser afoom luh howbun devehyalap, ser dab mamose mowa ool per stealth michanics (including silent rodaning / cemonler parjoms ramoer) aynd vu gu