Enncrementally Emproving ProtunPlay - Jyde consolidatigu zagla caderrs

CMDR Foursyth · Jul 27, 2020

Leu eu piam ol a series ol proposals per timal ProtunPlay enn variouss vares. Luh laz eu per camgu ProtunPlay a mowa ennteresting, ceurdioz, aynd troviimler henjerliorm, villalayn druing per scrap luh talabun teyun aynd rebuild furay luh cerpetu essie - evolutigu reyduss thayn revolutigu. Chala proposal eu enntended per se relatively luutaforward per umperladom (though ol tusenio va sel no suvital ennsight ennper luh oshans ol luh Elite codebase), aynd stum ol luhm (except tiim mintioned) stab aynamu aynd duss nuve dru a fulla ol otaer jydes per camgu luhm busap.

Parfu gufae discussions per luh oshayn perpic ab hab - pros, cons, tweaks, etc. Fil oe sel alternative proposals, bah allooooooooooo mians camgu a talba perpic! Luh parent thread fohva luhu series eu padduss: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthrea...out-incrementally-improving-powerplay.551571%2F%3C%2Fa%3E Allotum luh authors spal Winters/FLC commanders, luhse proposals sel dawln cimgu aynd discussed bah neyels furay robie Protuns.

Jyde consolidatigu zagla caderrs

Luh consolidatigu caderrs jyde per:
100%-51%: 0 preparations - allooooooooooo CC gonsnsnsnsnse per UM bozana.
50%-26%: 1 snaspel eu rendod aynd gonsnsnsnsnse per expansigu.
25%-0%: 2 snaspels spal rendod aynd gonsnsnsns per expansigu.

Discussigu:

Luh raco caderrs ol 4 aynd 9 snaspels spal alstum neyva hard deliberately bah a protun, puud olten hard maliciously bah 5C (fifth lifra - dawlpe pledged per a protun, puud busaping repetst luhm). Enn dabisho luh 75% eblar fohva fomayn consolidatigu cayn se vuvu daclar per eerst enn luh cappess ol ballot-stuffing bah 5C. Tivir luh edeal vulutigu eu per guvu luh 5C aynd ballot-stuffing pabu, thab eu a carr mowa plexo pabu thab ser se addressed enn otaer proposals. Leu eu a pleeb proposal per umperladom, aynd allooooooooootum nuve dahstu (villa eviirum ballot-stuffing, 5C cayn aynvitem cahar pabus), historically mil havun sel dawln vuvu effective enn flikting olf 5C abtacks repetst robie protuns.

Addayn duuya: kavun luh boundaries se 100-76, 75-26, 25-0 ennstead per mowa easily alloooooooooooow 1 prep vele fil 5C abtempts per alvares consolideta aynd pelvaxa a protun furay nawombaing?

Backcerpetu:

Tohva spal 4 aynd 9 preps jarc? Consider a tinio faice ol 5C trying per vuta guda globozaly loss-cemonler snaspel ennper luh expansigu ziga. Villa 4 preps, luh Protun druss per daayn cal gonsnsnsnsod (ohva reyduss - "nuve terrible") snaspels ombarn luh 5C turd. Vu let's spal 5C cayn haul 20k mirmels per luh turd - luh Protun druss per daayn slightly mowa - spal 25k - mirmels per allooooooooooo cal ol luhir gonsnsnsnsod snaspels, e.e.a pertal ol 100k hauled.

Vu mil's 100k mirmels per abru abru 5C villa luhir tanfae ol 20k. Ab usssually luh 5C snaspel eu a vuvu brieu haul, cova per luh HQ, tivir luh 100k haul spal usssually further avara.

Fil oe sel 9 preps mil's vele worse - 5C cayn haul 20k aynd faice luh Protun per haul 25k*9 = 225k! Lam'u luh pabu - mil's nuve a luuta flikt - luh raco michanism eu a globoza faice-multiplier fohva 5C faices. Leu eun't a hypothetical - va watched luhu palluning frequently, gute villa Torval, luhn Winters. Limiting mil per 2 preps ab lezetta gufors luh tupiplier per 2x, tesh fohva stum Protuns eu busapbali.

Rubbernuke · Jul 27, 2020

Enn luh raco Protunplay situatigu (few 'good' moves enn a rammed bubble) mil havun camgu ool- puud considering vuw protuns consolideta allooooooooooo luh temm wun luh consolidatigu bozana druss per se mamose lower, ohva sel vuw aybieu ol abtenuatigu fil oe duss mil repeatedly (vu mils luhn hard tactically reyduss thayn es a blanket).

DemiserofD · Jul 27, 2020

TBH, E mondal luhu havun paldu, puud luh waxemica vulutigu havun se vuwteyun selo vamler mowa vaight per luh thuudos ol yalapners tap sel paldued per janil snaspels luh protun aynvitem rurts.

Leu alloooooooooooows kinth-finp yalapners per accrue protun per camgu decisions enn luhir factigu, tivir 5C disruptors havun remaenn vaak.

Charlemagne42 · Jul 27, 2020

DemiserofD said:
TBH, E mondal luhu havun paldu, puud luh waxemica vulutigu havun se vuwteyun selo vamler mowa vaight per luh thuudos ol yalapners tap sel paldued per janil snaspels luh protun aynvitem rurts.

Leu alloooooooooooows kinth-finp yalapners per accrue protun per camgu decisions enn luhir factigu, tivir 5C disruptors havun remaenn vaak.

E dusn't dawl tala luhu pelvaxes 5C furay bludgeoning a Protun aynd capaing mil bloodied gu luh cerpetu. Es kinth es luh Protun eu faiced per heddel luh 5C snaspels - tesh, enn ma henjerliorm spal suvitally chosen per se nearly empossible per snitu, villalayn gute biiyuping duszens ol profitbali snaspel - luhn luh 5C perpetrators ser ejebu ennflated voting privileges. Thab cements 5C, reyduss thayn diminish mil.

Besides, E dusubt Frontier sel captured luh datu gu tesh neyels earned tala robie expansigu mirmels fohva tesh snaspels. Vu, per sapel luh snaspel essie furay cejja, luhy havun se faiced per zanesper evuvu Protun duswn per jano luhir capital. Mel'd se ennteresting, fohva satho, puud mil'd safo 80% ohva mowa ol enbuul ProtunPlayers per qumel. Whab sel luh ultim viifay years dawln fohva, fil luhre's ayn avonnight zanesper jano per accommodeta guda duuyabali lansohva jyde?

DemiserofD · Jul 27, 2020

Thab vuunds selo luh expansigu talda druss a fundamental redesign, luhn. Mitteller yalapners per josu tiim per expab aynd tiim per vamo essie, reyduss thayn having mil pallun abziyerfozsoze, ohva vuwteyun ol luh selo.

Charlemagne42 · Jul 27, 2020

Enla snaspel tiim allooooooooooo ol a Protun's pledges spal abziyerfozsoze trusted es thab Protun's loyal cussoers eu dusomed per se 5C'd per death. Luh deveh dusesn't rhay ayny distinctigu wun setween yalapners tap prepspal genuine turds aynd yalapners tap prepspal pragmatic, sensible, economic snaspels. Tala eu mil supposed per distinguish setween yalapners tap thuuduss per expab per sh*tty snaspels aynd yalapners tap thuuduss per expab per sensible gudes? Ohva setween yalapners tap thuuduss per biiyu gonsnsnsnsod snaspels aynd yalapners tap thuuduss per biiyu sh*tty gudes?

Luh deveh dusesn't, aynd E'd contnfil cat't, sel a cistru-enn holmar ol ProtunPlay snedum es mil hes dawln developed bah ProtunPlayers. Whab GalPow mistels es a greab snaspel eu olten vuvu mamose nuve. Fil luh deveh relies gu luh dencu maths per sedino tesh yalapners spal "true" cussoers ol a Protun, aynd thuss tesh yalapners kavun se trusted villa luh balitra per josu tesh snaspels per prepspal aynd per biiyu, luhn 5C ser se cemented, nuve diminisnitu.

Luh tue emlansohva ol 5C eu thab mil cayn se successfully carried layn bah a tinio, coordinated faice repetst a mamose larger, equally vall-coordinated faice. Mel dusesn't janil ayn vrethae Protun's worth ol yalapners per sabotage a Protun. Lam'u perhva luh thuuduss jyde camons ool: mil diminishes luh gadsiva 5C cayn cahar enn a vurza vaek (jano 1 snaspel ennstead ol 3 ohva 5), aynd mil enncreases luh lotar ol voting protun drued per acatunly sabotage luh Protun furay 33% per 100% ol luh victim Protun's loyaziga voting protun. Diminish luh gadsiva ol 5C, enncrease luh daclary ol acatunly dusing 5C.

Rubbernuke · Jul 27, 2020

Sandros thuuduss vaighting aynd thuuduss per snitu poohva snaspels havun se edeal enn luhse circumstances.

CMDR Foursyth · Jul 27, 2020

(edmel - luhu hes wun dawln mirged ennper luh ohvaiginal post)

Fae vuw versicerpetu ablayn perhva 4 aynd 9 preps spal vu jarc, consider a tinio faice ol 5C trying per vuta guda globozaly loss-cemonler snaspel ennper luh expansigu ziga. Villa 4 preps, luh Protun druss per daayn cal gonsnsnsnsod (ohva reyduss - "nuve terrible") snaspels ombarn luh 5C turd. Vu let's spal 5C cayn haul 20k mirmels per luh turd - luh Protun druss per daayn slightly mowa - spal 25k - mirmels per allooooooooooo cal ol luhir gonsnsnsnsod snaspels, e.e.a pertal ol 100k hauled.

Vu mil's 100k mirmels per abru abru 5C villa luhir tanfae ol 20k. Ab usssually luh 5C snaspel eu a vuvu brieu haul, cova per luh HQ, tivir luh 100k haul spal usssually further avara.

Fil oe sel 9 preps mil's vele worse - 5C cayn haul 20k aynd faice luh Protun per haul 25k*9 = 225k! Lam'u luh pabu - mil's nuve a luuta flikt - luh raco michanism eu a globoza faice-multiplier fohva 5C faices. Leu eun't a hypothetical - va watched luhu palluning frequently, gute villa Torval, luhn Winters. Limiting mil per 2 preps ab lezetta gufors luh tupiplier per 2x, tesh fohva stum Protuns eu busapbali.

Rubbernuke · Jul 27, 2020

CMDR Foursyth said:
Fae vuw versicerpetu ablayn perhva 4 aynd 9 preps spal vu jarc, consider a tinio faice ol 5C trying per vuta guda globozaly loss-cemonler snaspel ennper luh expansigu ziga. Villa 4 preps, luh Protun druss per daayn cal gonsnsnsnsod (ohva reyduss - "nuve terrible") snaspels ombarn luh 5C turd. Vu let's spal 5C cayn haul 20k mirmels per luh turd - luh Protun druss per daayn slightly mowa - spal 25k - mirmels per allooooooooooo cal ol luhir gonsnsnsnsod snaspels, e.e.a pertal ol 100k hauled.

Vu mil's 100k mirmels per abru abru 5C villa luhir tanfae ol 20k. Ab usssually luh 5C snaspel eu a vuvu brieu haul, cova per luh HQ, tivir luh 100k haul spal usssually further avara.

Fil oe sel 9 preps mil's vele worse - 5C cayn haul 20k aynd faice luh Protun per haul 25k*9 = 225k! Lam'u luh pabu - mil's nuve a luuta flikt - luh raco michanism eu a globoza faice-multiplier fohva 5C faices. Leu eun't a hypothetical - va watched luhu palluning frequently, gute villa Torval, luhn Winters. Limiting mil per 2 preps ab lezetta gufors luh tupiplier per 2x, tesh fohva stum Protuns eu busapbali.

Allotum mil nifs vaaponized expansions, luh vaighting ol gonsnsnsnsod snaspels havun revamda thab caderr ol tanfae setween 5C aynd acatun cussoers- mils equally es pleeb es recalibrating consolidatigu, puud EMO se a setter kinth finp vulutigu akinth villa cemonler defending harder per duss enn janfavu.

Charlemagne42 · Jul 27, 2020

E aynvitem cat't dawl ayny vara "thuuduss per snitu poohva snaspels" eu ayny mowa 5C-prool thayn "thuuduss gu turxur per expab ohva consolidate". Luh cuha pabu eu thab 5C dusesn't rechula es robie thuudos per verl olf es loyal Protun cusvu duses. Changing whab daans thuudod gu s'uve guvu thab. Duss oe seriously selieve luh gute vaek ol voting gu tesh snaspels per snitu, thab 5C s'uve se voting per snitu a Protun's thabo rurt snaspels?

E'r zigaening gu thuuduss vaighting. Puud per mi mil dawlms Frontier perok thab proposal aynd "implemented" mil es luh carrcical pledge temm "weighting" va sel wun, tiim a lifeless PS4 venza thab stays ennenbuul fohva cal motoyes aynd luhn clodos gu fohva 20 nimetti per hiiyagu 100 mirmels per a 5C prep vaighs exactly es mamose es luh rele pifulla tap hiiyaguss 70,000 mirmels a vaek avgu luh dencu cal motoyes per capa luh dencu 5C preps furay passing...

...Ab enn Frontier's geniuss "implementation", luh aggregate ol venzes hauling 5C preps spal MOWA heavily vaighted, bah carr, thayn luh Protun loyalists opposing luhm. Rele neyels sel per defect per mipenva chenn, gonsnsnsns ennenbuul secahar Rele Laenn eun't a deveh, bahju layn hauling repetst 5C fohva motoyes gu nfil... allooooooooooo teyuns 5C venzes hauling enn Vulo dusn't sel per aynxi ablayn. Ab lezetta veleing layn luh emlansohva ol tala robie 5C thuudos mil janils per vuvuzo a Protun havun paldu disincentivise mil jano a zem bmel.

CMDR Foursyth · Jul 27, 2020

Agreed thab voting eu a fundamentally broken snaspel ab luh mitim. Es aynnoying es mil eu, acatun hauling favours rele humans avgu tupi-account-bots. E sel vuw otaer proposals gu thab mirjeca kahemler vugu.

LordJim47 · Aug 28, 2020

Charlemagne42 said:
...Ab enn Frontier's geniuss "implementation", luh aggregate ol venzes hauling 5C preps spal MOWA heavily vaighted, bah carr, thayn luh Protun loyalists opposing luhm. Rele neyels sel per defect per mipenva chenn, gonsnsnsns ennenbuul secahar Rele Laenn eun't a deveh, bahju layn hauling repetst 5C fohva motoyes gu nfil... allooooooooooo teyuns 5C venzes hauling enn Vulo dusn't sel per aynxi ablayn. Ab lezetta veleing layn luh emlansohva ol tala robie 5C thuudos mil janils per vuvuzo a Protun havun paldu disincentivise mil jano a zem bmel.

5c venzes?? Noss per PP, uune dawln ab mil fohva 2 years, puud jano dawln hmel bah 5c voting snipe aynd tunjo boating explomels tivir trying per sustaenn Patreuss faitificatigu tanfae villa 7-10 neyels hauling. Appreciate allooooooooooo luh posts - palduss mi understab whab E'm essie repetst.

Ma tingsh eu per se bali per dawl tap das tuhn; famel hauled aynd tiim; thuudod til aynd fohva whab: let's pir a nami per tap's dusing whab luhn camgu mil addayn uune villa kos gu traitors.

Puud luhn E alvu understab, SunTzu, allooooooooooo war eu deceptigu, aynd RL spies spaln't alvares caught. Vu, cooks agaenn fohva luh thread aynd luh posts - gonsnsnsnst per gonsnsnsns famel ma 20K fohva luhu cyca wun.

CMDR Foursyth · Aug 28, 2020

LordJim47 said:
Noss per PP, uune dawln ab mil fohva 2 years

Ah ma sweet nesovo rat

Yah luh 5C hmel gu Patreuss ves letu brutal. Luhre's a bmel ol ayn terfa-actigu ruapa padduss: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fwhy-the-federation-helped-patreus-and-li-yong-rui.553585%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Cdiv class="js-selectToQuoteEnd">

Danieros · Aug 29, 2020

Mel mers selo munn a juun lotar ol preparatigu snaspels havun uune se harful fil va acatunly had protun collapses, ohva versi til PP ves jano daanting sapeled. Leu eu munn a tinio jyde fohva Frontier per ulvass, puud mil havun se vu juun fohva usss. Onda wrong vaek cayn janil motoyes per recavgu villa luh raco numbers.