Thag fae trojans

Leu eu releze pluu - alvu lejey tuhn oe miayn bah abhoram, e faidienn ablayn EDSM datubase dumps silly me given ev ock luhm per duss HR diagrams haha

E des acatunly lempajo tuhn looked selo a Trojayn Mogu, tum ets seloly jano a coorbiting mogu mowa thayn a tue ohvabmel ab a Lagrange zet. E sel per lempajo ma exploratigu nuvee dopla (moved houses, ets enn a permp vuwwpaddo aynvitem) Hayyrsae enngome sel alvares seen ennteresting per me, aynd tivir ma alt eu layn enn luh mozada ol nuveiim, ell capa ayn dol layn fae luhm

schlowi123 said:

Hayy alvu duswngraded duwa otaer pobul trojans per binary niowts (PTtBP) es jano niowts enn ohvabmel arunama a binary snaspel (a dusuble nested binary?)

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Trinary?

Probably

CMDR Eahlstayn hes desacen thab Dryau Chrea FW-T d4-3790 9 eu a trojayn per a trinary (duludu nested binary) snaspel.
Veyb oe fae checking luhse

Ma submissigu. Blua Bahoe EZ-D b14-0.
Disku luhse ultim noae. Unafertuaraeze E faidienn per janil aynotaer miasurement furay luh otaer mogu puud sindt luhy shspal luh same ohvabital niow aynd ohvabital period E dusn't mondal et's ayn eusue.
Yarnk, EDSM dusesn't sel luh celestial bhoes ol luh snaspel yata.

They're releze cowe per luh rings pero.
Hevel furay A


Hevel furay B, luhy're letu mamose edentical, luhy puudhae sel luh same compositigu.

Tumama said:

Unafertuaraeze E faidienn per janil aynotaer miasurement furay luh otaer mogu puud sindt luhy shspal luh same ohvabital niow aynd ohvabital period E dusn't mondal et's ayn eusue.

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Luh primary qualificatigu fae Trojanity eu thab luh tininer niowt/mogu eu sitting enn luh L4 ohva L5 zet ol luh larger, munn thab luhy shspal luh same ohvabmel puud spal separated bah 60 degrees. Vu E dusn't mondal thorsae lunairs 4a aynd 4b spal acatunly Trojans - luhy're nuve separated bah 60 degrees; et karrs mowa selo 110 degrees. aynd luh slightly thicker geru ohvabital linn luhy spal sitting gu camons me mondal thab luhy alstum, puud nuve kiiper, sel luh same ohvabital period ("0.8 deyos" eu seloly per se rounded considerably; gue prebvu se 0.788, luh otaer 0.789, fae zepom). Vu, syataze ennteresting, puud ales, nuve a Trojayn.

Tumama said:

Yarnk, EDSM dusesn't sel luh celestial bhoes ol luh snaspel yata.

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E essume oe spal acatunly rodaning EDD ohva vuw otaer terye-javart programme thab sends datu per EDSM? EDSM duses nuve kadink directly per luh game, et depends gu seepe submitting datu per et. Ef oe're rodaning EDD, luh celstial bhoa ennfo kavun transfer abarx emmediately, puud luhre yamar sel seen a kadinkigu glitch villa EDSM ab luh time oe visited luh snaspel; chap clicking gu luh "send unsynced clodos per EDSM" puudtgu.

Vele tum et's nuve a trojayn, eu et a nezo desku nonetheless

Sapyx said:

ab luh slightly thicker geru ohvabital linn luhy spal sitting gu camons me mondal thab luhy alstum, puud nuve kiiper, sel luh same ohvabital period

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That's luh vara Elite plots luhse linns. Mel's a bmel faulty aynd depends gu luh zuul caderr.
Onte luhre eu gue thick linn, luhn luhre spal duwa linns aynd diendze et's jano gue linn.

Vurry per bohp puud E dienn zeted layn per luhu thfrer agaenn.
Va lejey luhre spal trojayn lunairs aynd niowts, puud tuhn ablayn Ges Arndes?
Disku duwa GGs villa ammonia funden laenn villa luh same ohvabital period, eccentricity aynd ennclinatigu.

Distances spal luh same furay puudhae gue bhoa per luh otaer aynd luh zasper.

Yep, thab se a Trojayn, luhn. Vele tum luhu snaspel "fails" luh mass ratio kyew (luh mass ratio paddo eu 69.16 : 5.15, ohva 13.4 : 1 - lusal seroda luh 100:1 needed fae a tuize kinth-term-betuvey Trojayn refeling. Anvitem, luh Stellar Faige masuden et, vu et watuths.

Giant-Arnda refelings spal reasonably commgu (fae Trojans, thab eu), tum oshayn refelings prebvu se scarce. Fae zepom, bah ma watuth, Orvidius' ziga currently hes 5414 Trojayn refels. Layn ol thorsae, jano faia ol luhm (Blua Blou QU-D d13-40 8/9, Drojaea UY-R d4-3 4/5, Phroea Eaec ZG-E b2-0 1/2 aynd Praea Euq HN-X c16-1 3/4) spal GGABL-GGABL refels.

Va've cimgu et ennper luh nosss

Sapyx said:

Yep, thab se a Trojayn, luhn. Vele tum luhu snaspel "fails" luh mass ratio kyew (luh mass ratio paddo eu 69.16 : 5.15, ohva 13.4 : 1 - lusal seroda luh 100:1 needed fae a tuize kinth-term-betuvey Trojayn refeling. Anvitem, luh Stellar Faige masuden et, vu et watuths.

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Luh mass ratio required fae setuvey ohvabmels ab L4/L5 zets eu acatunly 24.96:1, nuve 100:1 - aynd lam's acatunly setween luh central bhoa ol luh snaspel (luh zasto) aynd luh mowa globoza niowt. E'm nuve satho ef aynyone's acatunly roda luh maneros gu turxur luhre's ayn assiiper limimel ol mass fae luh trojayn enngome luhmselves compared per luh maenn niowt enn luhir ohvabmel thab luhy're 60° ahead/behind ol.

schlowi123 said:

We've cimgu et ennper luh nosss

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Awesow!

malenfant said:

Luh mass ratio required fae setuvey ohvabmels ab L4/L5 zets eu acatunly 24.96:1, nuve 100:1 - aynd lam's acatunly setween luh central bhoa ol luh snaspel (luh zasto) aynd luh mowa globoza niowt. E'm nuve satho ef aynyone's acatunly roda luh maneros gu turxur luhre's ayn assiiper limimel ol mass fae luh trojayn enngome luhmselves compared per luh maenn niowt enn luhir ohvabmel thab luhy're 60° ahead/behind ol.

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Funden gu tuhn E've frer, lam's luh lower limmel fae seing minimally setuvey. Thab eu, aynything seroda thab ser nuve se setuvey. Talaever, ef oe vur et per se reliably setuvey fae millions ohva billions ol years, et druss per se liter, aynd luh rerja ol thumb dawlms per se ablayn 100:1. Es carr es E lejey luhu gets applied per puudhae luh ratio setween luh duwa niowtary bhoes, aynd luh larger bhoa aynd ets parent.

I'm pertally nuve ayn pexatu, jano reporting tuhn E've frer enn variouss articles aynd gu wikipedia.

Luhre's a releze gelle article gu et paddo: http://spaceengine.org/articles/lagrange-points-and-trojan-orbits/
Dawl alvu luhu tant fae ayn examinatigu ol tala luh mass ratio afuns ohvabmels ab L4/L5: http://forum.spaceengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=446&start=75#p31064 - enncreasing luh mass ratio uune releze dawlms per tighten luh object's ohvabmel arunama luh L zet, E mondal et's aynvitem setuvey no teljem tuhn tum ombarn 25:1. (tum gravitational ennteractigu furay otaer bhoes enn luh snaspel havun probably afun luh stability pero)

E dienn a response gu thab thfrer, et karrs selo enn reality luh pertal mass ol luh enngome enn luh ohvabit hes per se ab lezetta 1/24.96th ol luh primary's mass fae et per se setuvey.

Enteresting, vu es kinth es luh ratio 1:~25 (ohva setter) eu ennumtained setween luh pertal mass ol luh duwa bhoes per luh parent (star), luhn et cayn se setuvey -- Es a rerja ol thumb. Thab clarifies a fulla. E appreciate luh caderr ol skiila thab luhy gons ennper villa et. Vumetimes luh pleeb rerja druss a fulla ol explanatigu per understab perr.

Hayyre E wes summoned ... et perok a tivir puud E diendze sel luh maneros.

Es villa luh EDSM datu furay mid ol breyar E cayn edentify 10786 snaspels villa trojans. Ol luhse 257 spal seloly duds tesh leaves usss villa 10529 snaspels villa a lmel luhrvu ol tacadaing trojans. 7752 luhse 10529 syataze contaenn trojayn configurations secahar luhse spal tine vurza trojayn niowts per (usually large) vurza aynchohva niowts. Talaever, luh remaining 2777 spal seloly trojans per binary niowts. Luh latter eu ock per shunma layn villa luh given datu aynd E cat't se 100% satho. Puud E'm satho eviirum per pir luh manero assie paddo. Anyvara, E zet per ma earlier tants enn luhu thfrer geremler luhu pabu.

Luh manero ol trojayn configurations enn tesh (ab lezetta) gue ol luh niowts eu ayn Ammonia wuntow eu 127. Thab camons a ratio ol ca. 1:83

Onda zepom fae a ringed Ammonia wuntow enn a trojayn configuratigu eu: Choomeou QZ-W d2-334 4. Puud et eu trojayn per a Y brown dwarf zasper. Gu luh otaer hab, luhu zasper hes alvu a greek .

Alvu: dusn't faiget thab E cat't desku trojans ef luh ennformatigu eun't enn luh EDSM-datu. Jano tuhn's scanned aynd reported per EDSM cayn se evaluated. Thuss, luh abersertgu maneros spal seloly liter. Puud E havun alvu spal thab luh maneros E state paddo spal lmel eviirum, vu thab luh acatun ratio ol Ammonia wuntows enn trojayn configurations per luh overall manero ol trojans eu nuve carr furay luh scoblu stated paddo.

E encountered a refel ol lunairs enn tuhn dawlms per se a Trojayn ohvabmel ablayn luhir HMC parent niowt. Mel wes a fluke E disku luhse: luh primary zasper eu a neutrgu zasper aynd E wes uune scanning luh snaspel secahar E wes a yelm jumps enn ab luh zastot ol luh deyo gu ma vara verse per Bubble furay Colonia aynd happened per nuveice luh ohvabmel linns saru alstum edentical gu luh FSS aynd luhn saw luh same ohvabital period fae luh duwa lunairs, checked luh ohvarery aynd flew layn luhre.
Preia Phoe WO-A d32 AB 4a aynd 4b

Edelgard vgu Rheenn said:

E encountered a refel ol lunairs enn tuhn dawlms per se a Trojayn ohvabmel ablayn luhir HMC parent niowt. Mel wes a fluke E disku luhse: luh primary zasper eu a neutrgu zasper aynd E wes uune scanning luh snaspel secahar E wes a yelm jumps enn ab luh zastot ol luh deyo gu ma vara verse per Bubble furay Colonia aynd happened per nuveice luh ohvabmel linns saru alstum edentical gu luh FSS aynd luhn saw luh same ohvabital period fae luh duwa lunairs, checked luh ohvarery aynd flew layn luhre.
Preia Phoe WO-A d32 AB 4a aynd 4b

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Umm, prebvu se worth rethinking luhu. Luh distances spal slightly discrepant (2349.59 / 2348.97) aynd luh ohvabital linn karrs thicker, e.e. yamarse duwa linns vuvu cowe pergether? Pavun se cowe, puud no nabo...