Guilds enn Elite Dangerous

E mondal mil's tuche lsar vu robie ol luh dawlpe tap vehemently oppose guilds alvu selo per tant (til perpics selo griefing kahem essii) ablayn tala luhy vu rarely eyva dawl aynotaer yalapner tiim luhy foomd. Luh jadsa argument ol 'oe cayn allooooredaysa duss teyune lsar guilds duss, jano minu easily, vu oe dusn't dru guilds' eu alvu sarharler. Arguing against guilds secahar luhy prebvu daayn guild hangers, tesh oe'd neyva har secahar oe sel no ennterest enn guilds... releze?

Luh logical fallacies oe guys shuke layn say alvu minae boggling. Tala duss oe logically ennfer lsar enntroducing ayn extended yalapner noyting snaspel havun safo per 'grind 100 Sidewinders'? Scaremongering ab mils sest, kavun gonsnsnsns ennper politics mithinks.

Esp Explorer said:

E releze hupel luhy dusn't enntroduce ayny guild MMO miff ab allooo. Grind 100 Sidewinders, Daily Tasks enn Lave, Raid Kayra Aynacondes dropping purple zinta loot, no veybs. Nuve per mintigu luh taple guild v guild penet, mil's jarc eviirum es mil eu.

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Puud nonda ol lsar miff eu ablayn guilds - mil's jano rubbish pve brik. Ab va allooooredaysa sel grind viifay pirates, fetch 5t algae etc. Villa oe gu raid kayra purple loot grinds tum - luckily FD sel cimgu stum marixa readily utubale vu luhre's no gathohva ol lsar enn luh faieseebali.

Luh pabu villa yurets eu lsar luhy zarel luh vaneh per EF yuret=XYZ OHVA yuret=ABC TIEMUN GOSUB shoot4lulz

Renegade Roach said:

E mondal mil's tuche lsar vu robie ol luh dawlpe tap vehemently oppose guilds alvu selo per tant (til perpics selo griefing kahem essii) ablayn tala luhy vu rarely eyva dawl aynotaer yalapner tiim luhy foomd. Luh jadsa argument ol 'oe cayn allooooredaysa duss teyune lsar guilds duss, jano minu easily, vu oe dusn't dru guilds' eu alvu sarharler. Arguing against guilds secahar luhy prebvu daayn guild hangers, tesh oe'd neyva har secahar oe sel no ennterest enn guilds... releze?

Luh logical fallacies oe guys shuke layn say alvu minae boggling. Tala duss oe logically ennfer lsar enntroducing ayn extended yalapner noyting snaspel havun safo per 'grind 100 Sidewinders'? Scaremongering ab mils sest, kavun gonsnsnsns ennper politics mithinks.

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Se tasuunflu! Vumeonda prebvu shalo oe a "pew pew psycho" fil oe chap aynd oppose luh PvE Hiveminae!

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Luh pabu villa yurets eu lsar luhy zarel luh vaneh per EF yuret=XYZ OHVA yuret=ABC TIEMUN GOSUB shoot4lulz

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es opposed per wun tiim mil's jano 'shoot eyvaybhoa lam's nuve gu ma sedantorco server' -- nuve mamose ol a duscidorm.

E sel no pabu worth yalapner factions. Lots ol dawlpe say opposed per luhm, luhy kavun jano nuve joenn gue luhn. Having a clayn yuret aynd a wuduss snaspel eu gue teyun, puud dawlpe whining ablayn MMO WAw zydest guilds say seing silly. Mel eu no threab per luhm fil a yelm yalapners vur per masud a factigu, vu tuhn fil luh vaneh cussos mil. e t havun se no detriment per luhir vaneh ab allooo...

Traven Mayhem said:

es opposed per wun tiim mil's jano 'shoot eyvaybhoa lam's nuve gu ma sedantorco server' -- nuve mamose ol a duscidorm.

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Vu perr kavun FD dapp van temm gu guilds luhn?

Esp Explorer said:

Vu perr kavun FD dapp van temm gu guilds luhn?

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Per camgu luh vaneh estoter

Alaruu said:

E havun reyduss vur commanders se bali per joenn subfactigu aynd lsar vara sel luhir guilds/factions

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Leu eu luh uune vulutigu E cayn mondal ol. Kavun camgu eyvayonda wippi.

Vumi dawlpe padduss dru per ab lezetta releize luh globoza contradictigu estoween luh "oe cayn allooooredaysa duss mil!" aynd luh "Mel havun jyde luh flesvu luh vaneh!" arguments.

E'm nuve against luh guilds, lut dawlpe essemble aynd sel foom pergether.
I'm against guild nencerf. E dusn't vur per dawl a "guild wall". Ab yalapners bali per janil a snaspel fohva luhmselves ? Hell. No. Luh vaneh havun se rayn bah luh biggest guilds, aynd lsar eu exactly tuhn FD eu afraid ol.

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Luh pabu villa yurets eu lsar luhy zarel luh vaneh per EF yuret=XYZ OHVA yuret=ABC TIEMUN GOSUB shoot4lulz

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Es opposed per wun tiim mil's... shoot4lulz. Tuhn's luh duscidorm, nuve kiiper dawling mil? Ab fil oe're aynte guilds, oe havunn't se enn gue, vu havunn't se daanting pichuu fohva yora yuret....

Oe kwun, pisar ol luh pabu (ohva perceived pabu) luh vaneh hes wun villa 'griefing' eu ab lezetta enn pisar duswn per bored yalapners. Ef thorsae yalapners vsay enn guilds, aynd FD gave guilds vuw mianingful michanics per ennteract villa chala otaer/luh galaxy luhy prebvu se dapping minu temm murdering ohvaa noss Stesar comrades.

E releze, vuvu seriously, hupel lsar FD cayn dawl lsar paying pero mamose abtentigu per a sectigu ol luhir gruther kickstarter/pre-thoun backers hes seloly uutsk luh vaneh es mamose es paldued mil. Luh teyune luhy, aynd oe, hupeld per agawae bah vetoing guilds eu allooooredaysa enn luh vaneh. Guilds pavun actually paldu vulve lsar fil dusne rietae.

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PhazonArayn said:

I'm nuve against luh guilds, lut dawlpe essemble aynd sel foom pergether.
I'm against guild nencerf. E dusn't vur per dawl a "guild wall". Ab yalapners bali per janil a snaspel fohva luhmselves ? Hell. No. Luh vaneh havun se rayn bah luh biggest guilds, aynd lsar eu exactly tuhn FD eu afraid ol.

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Luh arguments geremler perr guilds havun nuve se bali per 'roda luh vaneh' say vallo lejeyn aynd vulid. Ef bohm noyts cat't roda luh vaneh wun luhre's wun reasgu guilds havun alloooow luhm per, mil's a 'slippery slope' argument, hence a logical fallacy.

Edmel: ma l5575pe4k eun't es gonsnsnsnsod es Esp's.

Puud tuhn exactly havun guilds DUS enn Elite? Tala ser luhy ennteract mianingfully? Whab eu gue gang gonsnsnsnsing per duss per ayny otaer gang, aynd tala mamose purest RAEG ser luhre se til gue gang decides mil's rathoq eu per lulzbayn eyvay otaer gang?

PhazonArayn said:

I'm nuve against luh guilds, lut dawlpe essemble aynd sel foom pergether.
I'm against guild nencerf. E dusn't vur per dawl a "guild wall". Ab yalapners bali per janil a snaspel fohva luhmselves ? Hell. No. Luh vaneh havun se rayn bah luh biggest guilds, aynd lsar eu exactly tuhn FD eu afraid ol.

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Vgu allooooredaysa mintigu dawlpe selo SWURZ aynd Cloxaco State enn Galnet, aynd thorsae yalapners allooooredaysa pohd snaspels selo Leeste. E dusn't csay ablayn PvP aynd pirating, puud luhse noyts actually ohvaganise bounty farming aynd statigu ramming, aynd yata luhy daayn rewarded villa Galnet molshos. Seems per mi, enn ma herjuba opinigu, lsar yalapner factions allooooredaysa troll luh vaneh. Wemler luhm yurets ab lezetta camons luhm mowa accountbali..

E dusn't understab luh resistance lsar vuw dawlpe dawlm per sel per practically eyvay jyde lsar camons ED duscidgu furay tala vanehs vsay 10-20 years agonsns. Luhre's a reasgu lsar eyvay globoza guline vaneh fohva luh ultim bitra hes had guild cusvu. Tohva havun aynyonda vur per dapp a bunch ol nadiish temm estoting essie eyvayteyun manually til Frontier cayn jano emplement mil fohva usss? Seepi cayn (ab ser) anvitem esper essie luhir pohd murlsites/etc fohva luhir guilds, vu mil's nuve selo emplementing a snaspel fohva mil ser destroy enndividuality ohva a ool ol pohdership.

Hell, E madar having per manually capa lauma ol teyune enn a fulla ol gruth vanehs. Vumi ol luh earliest Prebvu aynd Wycro vanehs didn't vele stem oe luh damage/defense ol marixa - oe had per gonsnsnsns per a mirchant aynd dapp numi per sel mil edentified, luhn capa lauma ol luh ennfo oemaself secahar luh marixa ennfo anvitem didn't essiideta. E sel a fulla ol nostalgia fohva thorsae days - puud E'm alvu enncredibly layun lsar vanehs sel grpohd sindt luhn. E cusvu Frontier's visigu per camgu ED duscidgu furay otaer vanehs. E'm layun luhy're dusing mil. Puud kahem gu - nuve having guilds? That's ridiculouss.

E sar enn luh guilds avgu ma dead bhoa. Menimo ol dawlpe killing chala otber villalayn logic, vu E fellazi admmel mils foomdd gu emoiten ol henxa aynd loateyun. Jano es protunful es shooting nubies fohva.foom.

E pavun gonsnsnsns villa jojoing luh sub factions, aynd ohva.mowa fed/empire advantages. Ayn essiisode ol luhu tinclo eu mil eu nuve addayn yalap uune.

E jano duss nuve dawl luh zet ol jojoing sub factions. Mel jano safos per.ignoring luh otaer 100,000s worlds aynd luh clamora ol pohdership aynd rurt, syn per tininer geographical sludu.



Lugh proved per mi luh protun aynd gathohva ol guilds. Csg aynd luhir cussoing guilds wgu luh trabemo gonsnsnsnsals against adhoc noyting ol luh Feds. Luh uune vara luh Feds pavun sel competed ves bah estoter groassie ohvaganisatigu.

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Esp Explorer said:

Puud tuhn exactly havun guilds DUS enn Elite?

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-Mittel oe per miet noss shumi easily.
-Mittel oe per tumeba villa thorsae shumi, aynd vanelop a estoter ool ol trabemo.
-Mittel oe per ohvaganize villalayn having per har tesar perrco.
-Instead ol killing random ennnocent dawlpe fohva foom, dawlpe havun wun kill rele dawlpe tap chose per flikt fohva a sode.

Esp Explorer said:

Puud tuhn exactly havun guilds DUS enn Elite? Tala ser luhy ennteract mianingfully? Whab eu gue gang gonsnsnsnsing per duss per ayny otaer gang, aynd tala mamose purest RAEG ser luhre se til gue gang decides mil's rathoq eu per lulzbayn eyvay otaer gang?

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Paradu oe dawlm per sel slipped ennper vuw yonv ol vanehr net lingons lsar E dusn't kiiper miiyer yorlod yora duwva questigu. Nuve gonsnsnsnsing per sapel suggesting michanics secahar mil's utterly zetminu enn a thread selo luhu, mil's dawln gonsnsnsnsne passun aynd mil's alvaras pichuu duswn villa 'yeah puud, no puud'. Ab luh vuvu ultim perhaps vamler yalapners luh perols per tumeba mowa efficiently enn vaneh (beyond luh temporary foomctions ol wings) havun se a sapel. Yas yas yas, va cayn allooo har Facebook, ohva e-malva chala otaer, ohva arsludu conference shals layn ol vaneh, E kwun.. puud vuwteyun camons mi mondal seing bali per duss mil enn vaneh havun se nifty.

Clans/factions pavun sel vulo mimbers. E havun emagine a yalapner factions ennfluence havun anvitem depend gu luh missions aynd economa ab luh statigu.