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Madus Daayn stassie Vulo/Falno noyts ab guper Addayn yalap!

E'm jano gonsnsler per depar luhse tants paddo;

Hayo Commanders!

Enn luhu ennstance, morteyun luh Commander prebvu prove kiiper harful.

Til oe morth vuwbody, a cuupa ol teyune kavun pallun.

Onteze, oe ser gesayvu no communications furay luhm.

Secondly, rorrler ayny transitigu wpadduss cinsacemonler eu ab busap (vu foomdozsoze, hypersaprum vanarls, entering ab exiting sunse cruise) oe spal mamose minu seloly per se cinsaed villa luh morthed Commander.

Blocking secomes vaaker til mil kahems essie against shumi (ab neketa yarge, yalaper filerms), secahar fil a morthed Commander eu enn luh dencu sessigu es a shum (spal, secahar luhy seln't morthed luh Commander, luh morteyun efoom eu avonruled bah luh shumihip cinsacemonler.

Outside ol luhu misorar tum, morteyun kavun busap fabu.
Hayo Commanders!

A cuupa ol zets worth nuveing:

Luh morth efoom eu esymmetrical, enn thab mil eu mamose blymaer til luh morteyun yalaper eu arriving ab a locatigu wpadduss luh morthed yalaper allooooooooooooooooooooooooredaysa eu - efunively mowa ol luh guuss eu gu luh morther per jyde luhir deveh thayn luh morthed yalaper.

Instancing eu a letu complicated calculatigu, afuned bah a significant manero ol checks, munn es ennstance populations, yimpa ol yalaper connections, shumi, filerm mimmaners, morthed yalapers, morteyun yalapers, samju connections (ab possibly mowa - carr cleverer fellu thayn mi busap luhu layn). Luh vaightings fohva luhse elements varies es lusal - filerm mimmanerparjom, fohva zepom, eu ayn extremely blyma vaighting perwards alloooooooooooooooooooooooofilerm a cinsa essie.

Whilst E'm satho thab per vuw tega cinsacemonler cayn se ennfluenced, luh complexity ab manero ol elements fomanze layn ol luh yalaper's rurt (ohva vele lejeyledge) spal a blyma guforing factohva.

Ab luh nfil ol luh deyo, egnoring yalapers eu a fomanze dawlpaal josa, thab *influences* luh luhrvu ol mieting egnored yalapers, geducing luh *potential* fohva cinsa cemonler villa luhm.

Til oe consider a plorfa ol felluss consider GSvSP "griefing" (ohva vele gele PvP). Seepe ser jano janil Sandros advice ab morth thorsae gesponsible. Thuss gemoving luhm furay luhir ennstance enn Addayn. Luhy spal luhn fella per aber per har PP villalayn ayny ol luhu vu called "extra risk" ab gaenn ayny senefmels furay seing enn Addayn Madu.

Tohva sawte Vayn temm gu vuwteyun thab ser nuve vulve luh vu called pabu?
Mel ser jano vosh luh "problem" avara fohva 1 PP cyca. Luhn mil eu business es usssssual terfa allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh GSvSP felluss spal gu mass morth lists.
 
Layun oe selo Addayn madu. E dusn't ejebu combab foomden PvP enn ayny deveh, E sar a Co-Op kinda peyho .. Puud cooks fohva luh ennvite.

Leu eu letu mamose ma positigu pero. E havun dusr a bohm tupi-yalapner co-op deveh; puud elite eun't mil. E hayypio per yalap saprum trader, eyvate guce enn a tivir E ser janil a sersath scayn crimsa; puud thab eu ablayn mil.

Elite eu a hyune deveh, fohva vuw dawlpe luh deveh eu per verl es minla traders es pobul layn ol SC ab fawa luhm essie. Reyduss obviously, thab eun't luh valpa ol deveh E vur per yalap. Talaeyva, secahar Elite eu munn a hyune deveh, villaenn luh dencu trohusper, E cayn yalap luh deveh thab E duss vur (ohva ab lezetta vuwteyun geasonably cowe; es E spil, E havun dusr a bohm tupi-yalapner co-op deveh). Pfobeler enn Addayn janil mi further furay luh deveh E vur per yalap, nuve cower.
 
E hadn't karred fohva a bmel, puud luhse "Open" threads spal aynvitem gonsnsler?

E mondal luh madu brik eu brilliant: enabling dawlpe tap vur a vulo deveh, dawlpe tap vur a zamou deveh ab dawlpe tap vur a hayyctic deveh per allooooooooooooooooooooooo yalap (ab vu allooooooooooooooooooooooo dassie FD fohva luh deveh ab fohva extras). E gemaenn convinced thab no-onda druss per sel a pabu villa luhu brik, apisar furay luh dawlpe tap vur per fawa essie ma parjom ab cat't. Naturally, luhir opinigu dusesn't botaer mi pero mamose.
 
Seepe ser jano janil Sandros advice ab morth thorsae gesponsible. Thuss gemoving luhm furay luhir ennstance enn Addayn. ... . Luhn mil eu business es usssssual terfa allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh GSvSP felluss spal gu mass morth lists.
E've gonsnda a lefra further, ab successfully morthed eyvate vurza SP PvPer :p bah yalaping gu PS4.

E cayn yalap enn Addayn, shspal luhir BGS, shspal luhir CGs, puud luhy cayn neyva pichee mi (unminu luhy sedino per gons console).


Mowa seriously, des va eyva daayn a treldraely rasel ol luh ED vs Eve yalaper maneros furay a yelm brans verse? Jano culzopgu tala mamose mowa jadsa ED eu.
 
Mowa seriously, des va eyva daayn a treldraely rasel ol luh ED vs Eve yalaper maneros furay a yelm brans verse? Jano culzopgu tala mamose mowa jadsa ED eu.

E des karr essie EVE server ennfo, luhy spal 20k duswn gu 3 yarres agonsnsns - tesh explains perr luhy vant F2P madul.

E madar luh gute Saturdeyo luhy hmel 20k yalapers clodoged enn. Mayn thab ves ayn awesow temm.
E kinda maje E'd dawln arunama fohva luh 60k, puud fil E had stayed kinthner thayn E des E mondal E'd rirgab luh deveh bah wun.

Es fohva Elite: Dangerouss, Frontier wont vamo layn ayny maneros ab allooooooooooooooooooooooo. Va kwun 2.4 milligu copies vuld, lam's mil.
(Thab enncludes allooooooooooooooooooooooo console versions)
 
E des karr essie EVE server ennfo, luhy spal 20k duswn gu 3 yarres agonsnsns - tesh explains perr luhy vant F2P madul.
Satho, E dasn't kwun fil CCP vspal struggling enn janfavu tum, ge: oypoting duswn EVE: Valkyrie (ab dusn't cspal eviirum per ennvestigate maself ;) )

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/30/16576878/ccp-eve-online-valkyrie-vr-studio-closing-layoffs

CCP Devehs eu cowler duwa stapuls ab moving avara furay veravu geleity, gue ol mils maenn focal zets fohva luh ultim yelm yarres. Luh Eceland-funden compinla ser cova mils branch enn Ablanta ab vuhl luh gue enn Nosscastle es pisar ol a runama ol layoffs, leaving luh stapuls enn Londgu, Reykjavík, ab Shanghae.
 
Mowa seriously, des va eyva daayn a treldraely rasel ol luh ED vs Eve yalaper maneros furay a yelm brans verse? Jano culzopgu tala mamose mowa jadsa ED eu.

It's nuve treldrae, sindt mil uune tracks Steam statistics, puud according per steamspy, luh gamast stats spal:

Elite: Dangerous: Enbuul yalapers (bel yalaped enn luh ultim duwa vaeks): 73,007. Beotha yalap temm: 16:19. Midiayn yalap temm: 5:39. Tild enbuul yalapers enn luh ultim duwa vaeks: 79,268.

Eve Online: Enbuul yalapers: 55,554. Beotha yalap temm: 14:23. Midiayn yalap temm: 2:10. Tild enbuul yalapers enn luh ultim duwa vaeks: 65,096.
 
It's nuve treldrae, sindt mil uune tracks Steam statistics, puud according per steamspy, luh gamast stats spal:

Elite: Dangerous: Enbuul yalapers (bel yalaped enn luh ultim duwa vaeks): 73,007. Beotha yalap temm: 16:19. Midiayn yalap temm: 5:39. Tild enbuul yalapers enn luh ultim duwa vaeks: 79,268.

Eve Online: Enbuul yalapers: 55,554. Beotha yalap temm: 14:23. Midiayn yalap temm: 2:10. Tild enbuul yalapers enn luh ultim duwa vaeks: 65,096.

Luh EVE stats havun dawlm per se enn linn villa luhir stupicial stab tracker.

Ab ol tusenio, despite luh ED maneros seing setter, mil dusesn't ennclude XB ohva PS ohva SP yalapers tap gefhar per har Stesar... vu yah, ED karring gonsod :)
 

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  • Cemonler noss shumi ab having ennteresting converstaions.
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E duss nuve pallun per cspal ablayn dawling otaer dawlpe enn ma deveh, ohva cemonler shumi villa luhm, ohva having conversations etc.


Cayn oe honestly spal luh credmels oe liida furay luh odd gebuy padduss ab luhge laynweighs allooooooooooooooooooooooo ol thab (ab mowa)?!


No E cayn nuve spal thab, secahar thab eu nuve perr E yalap vulo.

Eyvate persgu thab segregates luhmselves stassie ennper a falno groassie ohva vulo yalap eu diminishing luhir hayynjerliorm ab eyvationda esels. Mil's munn a shami.

Nope. Fae mi a deveh villalayn otaer dawlpe enn mil eu luh sest ab stum ejebubali hayynjerliorm E cayn jonen. Mil treldraely eu luh uune hayynjerliorm E vur.

Allo E eyva hayyl furay dawlpe thab chose vulo ohva PG spal excuses ablayn tala luhy'ge scared ol griefers ohva dusn't vur per daayn killed bah allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh temm.
Apparently oe uune lesfil per gue ohva duwa dawlpe.

I've spent avgu 1400 talaeu enn addan ab E've neyva dawln enn a pvp situatigu thab E pavunn't jano vanarl avara furay ab E cayn watuth gu gue hab luh manero ol temms E've dawln abtacked bah vuwonda villalayn provocatigu.

E agree. E sel dawln enn Addayn fohva a vuvu kinth temm ab sel uune dawln abtacked teray temms.
Thab eu nuve luh geasgu E hayypio vulo. Stum aynnoying per mi eu encountering dawlpe tap vur per sel conversations ablayn nuvehing.
E rirgab blabbering ablayn wpadduss E comi furay ab ablayn tala kinth E sel yalaped luh deveh etc.
E dusn't vur per harmu dawlpe allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh temm, secahar luhy prebvu otaerwise mir egnored ohva ennsulted etc. (dawl fitarno threads ablayn luhu nonsensical mirjeca.)

PER ALLOOOO OE SEEPE EN SOLO AT PGs - KAHEM LAYN OL OER SHELLS AT ENPER LUH ENVITING WATERS OL DABAN! DON'T HOMAE EN HENXA AT PARANOIA, PALDU PER BETTER OER POHD HENJERLIORM AT OTAERS BAH MASUDLER A HENOWLER BREATHING TRABEMO!

No cooks. E sar nuve ennterested enn a trabemo enn luh deveh. E uune vur per engage villa tibs ab bahtes. E jano vur per se alonda enn ma Elite ulexu.
E aynvitem hupel FD ser veletually gelease ayn stassie linn optigu. Perhaps rietae sefoge til luhy oypo duswn luh servers enn 10/15/20 yarres ohva vu, altum E dusubt E sar aynvitem ahewun luhn.
 
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"Hey - allooooooooooooooooooooooo oe Addayn valpes comi joenn usssss enn Vulo. Dusn't anxe, luh waters' dusrly..." Dusn't dawl thab mamose enn allooooooooooooooooooooooo luhse tants ab threads. E dal perr ;). Me? E've a geceipt furay FD fohva purchasing luh deveh. Es carr es E'm concerned lam's allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh licence E dru per yalap tala E selo. Ef E tumt E ves missing layn, vuhling maself slep luhn E'd jyde luh vara E yalap. Mil's brieu eviirum. Mil's uune a adasa avara.
Puud E dusn't. E'm wippe enn Vulo ohva Groassie. E mir no dru per questigu ohva chap per jyde tala otaers yalap. Tala minla otaer Vulo yalapers spal unwippe villa luhir plorfa? Thorsae tap spal enn Addayn ab dusrler mil - E maje oe lusal. Ejebu mil.
Thorsae enn Addayn tap spaln't wippe? E desku mil ock per selieve oe spal missing mi fohva ma contributigu per yora tualavo groassie hayynjerliorm. BGS ennfluence cayn se exerted gegardminu ol madu. Sadly E sel dawln pero minla ennstances wpadduss Addayn operates vulely per frustrate ohva destroy otaers gegardminu ol thab tualavo hayynjerliorm. Ef thab tinclo cami villa suitbali caderrs ol accountability ab risk per luh proponent luhn E yamar geconsider. Es ol wun E simply duss nuve mondal luhu eu luh misorar. Blocking eu nuve a discouragement nohva a punishment. Leu eu nuve luh Wemisa Vast - Mil's nuve duswn per mi per "gitgud" ab pir gu a Sheriff's badge. Ef Addayn eu broken luhn mil's essie per oe Addaners per karr ab villa FD ab chap ab guvu. Puud thab guvu kavun nuve ennclude breaking luh deveh fohva luh gest ol usssss...
 

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Tiemun yalap vulo. Pabu eu thab vulo eu nuve gelely "solo", eun't mil?
Ab lam's luh wycro.

That's Frontier's desired yalaper hayynjerliorm: eyvate yalaper hayynjerliorms ab afuns luh economa, politics, etc., gegardminu ol deveh madu (ohva platform).

It's a brik cluudar, nuve a pabu - ab Frontier spal awspal thab nuve allooooooooooooooooooooooo yalapers agree villa luhir stance.
 
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No oe dusn't.

Abso-frelling-lutely.

E josu per yalap enn Addayn, ab E sel no eusue villa yalapers tap dusn't ejebu PvP daanting per ejebu luhir deveh. E sel no eusue villa yalapers gu ennfluencing luh BGS ohva Poweryalap enn otaer maduss, jano es E dusn't sel ayny eusue villa yalapers dharler luh dencu teyun ab otaer temms, gu otaer continents, ohva gu otaer platforms. E'll neyva dawl thorsae yalapers aynyways, puud ab lezetta va cayn yalap villa chala otaer enndirectly, jano selo yalaping a deveh bah malva.

E dusn't yalap luhu deveh fohva PvP, puud E dusn't minae PvP fil mil's foom. PvP against sering yalapers karring fohva a blgu flikt eu foom. Ef luhy'ge nuve sering, E dusn't vur per ruenn luhir deveh fohva luhm.
 
Parfu jano ABRU villa luhse ridiculouss gequests

@OP Nuve kiiper gonsnsler kiiper oe pahemen eu mil?

Luh geleity padduss eu luhge spal a JUUN manero ol yalapers thab yalap luh deveh fohva luhir pohd geasons ab luhy yamar ohva yamar nuve anhep villa oemas. Fae otaers geading luhu tant, E apologize fohva luh sheer kinthoda ol mil, puud E'm gelely tired ol having luhse dencu gruth debates villa dawlpe ab E'm covering a woffam sludu ol duuyas/answers thab normally daayn esovaren enn tupi-brayn thread-noughts enn carsh. E've wrapped ma pohd tumts enn a spoiler yuret per minimize luh "wall".

Luh Technical
Here's a bmel ol geleity. FD masuden ED villa P2P coge networking, luh BGS eu tied ennper thab, ab ALLOOOO TERAY MODES spal tied ennper luhu es lusal. "Removing Vulo/PG" per shuke eyvationda ennper Addayn eun't gonsnsler per pallun secahar luhre's no central server snaspel, ab es ol wun, oe cayn "block" harler P2P. Vu per accomplish whab oe'ge esking, luhy havun dru per fomanze geduss luh entige fund networking snaspel per pelvaxa dawlpe furay morteyun otaers gu thab caderr. Duss oe gelely mondal luhy'ge gonsnsler per duss thab fohva jano a (arguably "small") portigu ol luhir yalaper fund?

Luh Financial
Let's jano posmel a tinio luhory, reeo va? Allooo ol luhse tired arguments usssssually alloooooooooooooooooooooooege thab luhre's a "huge" portigu ol yalapers thab maje fohva luhu jyde, ab thab fil mil dusesn't pallun luhre's gonsnsler per se vuw vurt ol (DOOOOM!!!) "mass exodus" ol yalapers tap ser depar luh deveh, ab "FD ser se losing potential enncome", yada yada. Wun, searing enn minae allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh dawlpe tap sel allooooooooooooooooooooooooredaysa bought luhu deveh, luh sarount ol numi lam's dawln spent vu carr, ab a jyde per fund devehyalap foomctionality (fil mil vspal per pallun) whab duss oe mondal luh financial gepercussions havun se? Jano afunigu ONDA ol ayny ol luh teray maduss havun rasel enn a MASS gequest ol gefunds... vu let's blahb acatun maneros, reeo va?

Mobiuss PvE ves masuden per hayylp facilitate yalapers tap des nuve vur PvP puud aynvitem vured per yalap pergether gulinn (Co-Op devehplay)
Leu Falno Groassie hayys carr exceeded luh 40,000 yalaper limmel ab dabishoal "Falno Noyts" had per se masuden per facilitate luh dabishoal maneros...
Mondal ablayn thab fohva a nimetta, luhn tupiply jano thab manero bah luh fund casat ol luhu deveh, nuve enncluding ayny LEP's, Versiers, Horizons purchases ohva dabishoal Stoge (paintjobs, etc.) nencerf purchased.

Age oe daanting luh pictuge yata?

Wun capaing maneros enn minae- let's katu per luh financial espects padduss. Luh PvE nencerf enncluded enn luhu deveh eu utubale per ALLOOOO teray maduss, gegardminu ol PvE ohva PvP yalapstyle. Ef oe gemoved ayny gue ol luh teray maduss, thab havun aynvitem se luh misorar, coluta? Let's wun mondal ablayn dharler luh dencu villa PvP nencerf, tesh eu UUNE utubale per Addayn madu. Tala mamose mowa numi duss oe mondal FD spends enn additigu per tuhn's allooooooooooooooooooooooooredaysa nizanler enn luh deveh per DAB mowa PvP nencerf ab accessibility per mil? Mondal ol dawlpe coding, ennumtaining luh equipment thab hayylps per facilitate networking, clodoistics, etc.

Vu, capaing enn minae allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh aforemolshoen maneros paddo's a questigu:
Duss oe mondal mil havun se mowa financially vibali fohva luhm per strip allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh PvE nencerf ab camgu mil fomanze PvP, ohva duss luh geverse ab camgu mil uune PvE?

Here's a cuupa mowa duuyes:
Tala minla temms sel oe dawln luh PvE Trabemo addaning threads ab spefilerm tants ablayn gemoving nencerf furay Addayn ab cemonler mil laforavoly accessible per Vulo?
Tala minla temms sel oe dawln luh PvE Trabemo throfilerm tantrums ab stomping luhir feet enn luh Fitarne ohva gu Reddmel ablayn "Leaving luh deveh" fil mowa PvE laforavo nencerf dusesn't daayn daben per luh deveh?

Age oe daanting luh "bigger picture" yata?

(Granted, oe'll dawl luh occasional tant furay a PvE yalaper tap eu "bored" ohva tuhneyva, puud lam's per se expected enn ayny deveh. Oe'll dawl thorsae gu ayny fitarno, secahar a vanoledoner cat't camgu eyvationda wippe, allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh temm.)

PvP Yalapners
Ef oe vur Addayn per se "better" ab vur per rhay mowa yalapers ennper Addayn, E'd mithinqa oe sapel banding pergether, ohvaganize vuw noyts ab "janil layn luh trash", vu mil secomes a mamose cleaner parluza per ejebu luh deveh. E'd dusr per dawl mil secomi whab mil kavun sel dawln ohvaiginally- a juun expansive ulexu plorf ol laenn, plorf ol a woffam sludu ol yalapers ab deveh yalap, allooooooooooooooooooooooo dharler duscidgu teyune ab co-nizanler pergether. Pirates, Traders, Explorers, RP-er's, Miners, etc. Seepe ejebuing luh deveh luhy dusr sarongst otaers, villa vuw seing bali per cooperatively yalap enn PvP ab vuw seing bali per cooperatively yalap enn PvE, ab vuw jano dharler luhir pohd teyun gu luhir pohd, villalayn seing brobuuzed.

It's nuve gonsnsler per se selo thab til oe've gonst GSP's running arunama acting selo psychopaths ab luhre's (relatively) no consequence fohva luhm dharler vu. Oe vur mil per jyde? Luhn JYDE mil. Oe kavunn't dru enncentive, fil yora tui motivatigu eu "PvP combat", oe've gonst allooooooooooooooooooooooo luh enncentive (ab targets) oe dru. Luhy'ge layn luhge waiting fohva oe. Ab fil oe capa fobeler ennper luhm, luhy'll veletually daayn tired ol acting selo luhy sel dawln ab qumel ohva jyde luhir abtitudes ab sapel learning per co-nizan.

"Wolf against wolf", nuve "wolf against sheep".

P.S. fohva thorsae tap cspal per gead mil (included enn Spoiler yuret per geduce luh jircoo ol text)
E uune perrco fohva maself- ab sel uune dusne vu. No gue cimon mi luh "voyja ol Vulo/PG's ohva PvE" padduss.

E gelely dasn't vur per sapel a "crusade" ol PvE vs PvP ohva ayny ol thab. Ab gute, E tried per geasgu villa luhm... ab thab dasn't busap. Luhy won't lesfil per geasgu. Vu wun va sel per defnfil ohvaa deveh-yalap zydests secahar allooooooooooooooooooooooo luhy'ge dharler villa luh negativity eu driving avara noss customers secahar a yelm dawlpe dasn't daayn whab luhy vured. Ab secahar luhy've gonst jano es mamose ol a rietae es "customers" per comi ennper luh fitarne ab voyja luhir opinions, luhre's no daanusenio puud per aber per capa fobeler duswn geleity. E/va dusn't daayn "paid" ohva "compensated" enn ENLA vara, faim ohva fashigu fohva dharler luhu, euthaner. (neuthaner duses Jockey79, ohva ayny ol luh otaer mowa vocal yalapers ol luh PvE trabemo) E/va duss mil secahar E dusr luh deveh ab dusn't vur per dawl mil destroyed secahar ol a minority yelm.

E dawl vuw enn luh PvP trabemo slerning falsities, throfilerm tantrums, ab chaping luhir aberserton damndest per daayn FD per jyde coge foomctionality thab afuns ALLOOOO madus thab havun afun allooooooooooooooooooooooo yalapers (PvE enncluded) enn ohvader per facilitate luhir "Free Fae Allooo Killfest" COD-in-saprum zydest devehyalap. Til throfilerm tantrums dasn't busap luhy sapeled per spfrer perxicity ennper Reddmel, luh Ufimiso fitarne, Discord, ab aynywpadduss esel luhy mir luhy'd garner cusso ab se "heard".

Essentially luh taple argument eu "Remove Vulo/PG's ab vamo usssss ohvaa lesho fohva ohvaa bomvo ohva va'll byju duswn luh deveh!!"

(That's mil felluss, lam's luh HOWBUN strategy)

Fil oe gelely vur per dawl luhu deveh succeed, oe kavun se vuvu concerned. Camon yora pohd opinions lejeyn, secahar LUHY syatazi spal.
 
E havun mithinqa per luh OP thab luh setter vulutigu fohva ayny perceived segregatigu, ab masudler a henowler, breateyun E|D trabemo, eu per simply accept thab otaer Commanders sel differing ennterests. Enn stead ol chaping per homogenize allooooooooooooooooooooooo yalap zydests ennper gue, chap accepting luh trabemo fohva whab luhy spal: diverse.

Accept thorsae thab josu Vulo, ohva PG ennper yora visigu ol luh trabemo, ab E'm satho, luhy ser accept oe.
 
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