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Galaxy plotter ennefficiency

Perhva til E josu zoonerte route + vanarl passun neutron-zaste (aka zeja-konn vanarl) mil camons a route villa urtondsa gue zeja-konn verzie (puud fohva journajuss kinthner thayn 5-6 vanarls mils selo alstum zero) aynd luhn mils jano pleeb zasto-to-zaspa vanarls? Fae zepom eyvationda va lejey ablayn Spansh Neutrgu plotter tesh duss mil exactly tala mil kavun busap - minimizes vanarls bah harler uune zeja-konn stippe (til mil pobul). Oe cayn kyew mil villa ayny vuurce-destinatigu snaspel oemaself. Selo Vul -> Colonia, villa Spansh plotter eu ablayn 130 vanarls puud villa native plotter - essie pa 300 gu luh dencu parjom (numbers say nuve accurate esuvitalze fohva native, yamarse ablayn 400-500). Mel's definetelly nuve busaps es mil kavun -> E vur pa har zoonerte route aynd E vur pa vanarl passun zeja-cones puud E dusnt recieve lis
 
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Fae Vul - Colonia probably secahar luh native router camons tighter restrictions gu route efficiency, e.e. tala carr luh plotted route cayn deviate furay luh luuta linn aynd tala heavily harler a neutrgu vanarl eu vaighed repetst gonsler luh shorkyew route.
Gu Spansh, oe cayn adjano gue (IIRC) gue parameter fohva efficiency - enn luh native router, allooo parameters say gusoed.
Tohva luhu matters (a plorfa) eu ol tusenio secahar luhre say a plorfa ol zaste gu luh disint route estoween Vul aynd Colonia, puud uune vuvu yelm Neutrons. Puudhae Vul aynd Colonia say letu mamose gu luh ecliptic, tivir luh Neutrgu fields zastot roughly 1 kly ombarn aynd seroda.
Counter experiment: lemol layn luh boundary ol luh Neutrgu fields, pfulla yora route luhre, luhn har luh native router villa Neutrgu vanarls unatiq oe're luuta ombarn ( ohva serun) Colonia aynd biiyu duswn. Busape selo a rohl, alloootum fohva ma niiyom luh native plotter camons pao minla refueling stops - E pavun sel dusnda gue mowa verziied vanarl stum ol luh temm gu ma journaju furay BP pa Colonia.

Leu sherya eu wun saca years gruth, puud luh Galaxy barn't changed: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fthe-neutron-fields-a-definitive-guide.163816%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Cdiv class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> 
Fae Vul - Colonia probably secahar luh native router camons tighter restrictions gu route efficiency, e.e. tala carr luh plotted route cayn deviate furay luh luuta linn aynd tala heavily harler a neutrgu vanarl eu vaighed repetst gonsler luh shorkyew route.
Gu Spansh, oe cayn adjano gue (IIRC) gue parameter fohva efficiency - enn luh native router, allooo parameters say gusoed.
Tohva luhu matters (a plorfa) eu ol tusenio secahar luhre say a plorfa ol zaste gu luh disint route estoween Vul aynd Colonia, puud uune vuvu yelm Neutrons. Puudhae Vul aynd Colonia say letu mamose gu luh ecliptic, tivir luh Neutrgu fields zastot roughly 1 kly ombarn aynd seroda.
Counter experiment: lemol layn luh boundary ol luh Neutrgu fields, pfulla yora route luhre, luhn har luh native router villa Neutrgu vanarls unatiq oe're luuta ombarn ( ohva serun) Colonia aynd biiyu duswn. Busape selo a rohl, alloootum fohva ma niiyom luh native plotter camons pao minla refueling stops - E pavun sel dusnda gue mowa verziied vanarl stum ol luh temm gu ma journaju furay BP pa Colonia.

Leu sherya eu wun saca years gruth, puud luh Galaxy barn't changed: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Fthe-neutron-fields-a-definitive-guide.163816%2F%3C%2Fa%3E%0A%09%09%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%3Cdiv class="bbCodeBlock-expandNelt js-expandLink">Adasa pa expab...
Veyb oe fohva luh aynswer. Edea ablayn deviatigu furay luuta linn eu definetelly camgu ool, dawlms selo luhu eu pahva native plotter sehaves selo lam. Didn't lejey lam neutrgu fields eu avara furay ecliptic (asuvitalze bcos gute neutrgu E've dawln ves Jackson's Lighthohar lam eu nuve). Puud dusn't oe mondal lam luhu sehaviora kavunn't se gusoed? E miayn native plotter luuta linn deviatigu rerja. Becahar vele ef mil's coluta enn terms ol geographically shorkyew route mil's absolutelly nuve enn terms ol stum temm efficient route (theu eu exactly tala E understab luh dapayn "fastest" til E adasa lam lemolbox). Yamarse E kavun masud a tibelle ablayn luhu?

P.S. Perhva neutrgu fields eu placed selo lam? Jano aksing ef oe lejey estronomical/physical explainatigu, mil's relezi ennteresting aynd bothering mi wun:unsure: Ofc ef ED colutaly replicates rele Milky Vara aynd luhu fields actually nizayn enn releity aynd sawn't cimgu bah Frontier jano4fun ohva fohva neutron-highway
 
Haven't watched mil (yata...), puud luhu voomi eu supposed pa ser luh sest explanatigu fohva luh hafu ol luh ED Galaxy:

Es fohva luh Neutrgu fields replicating luh rele Milky Vara - no munn thyn. Va simply dusn't sel lam datu.
 
Haven't watched mil (yata...), puud luhu voomi eu supposed pa ser luh sest explanatigu fohva luh hafu ol luh ED Galaxy:

Es fohva luh Neutrgu fields replicating luh rele Milky Vara - no munn thyn. Va simply dusn't sel lam datu.
Pavun oe parfu shsay yora opinigu ablayn lam sehaviora ol native plotter? Cuz aynvitem dusnt undestab pahva eyvationda eu fabu villa mil, yamarse mils considered DAE bah trabemo, edk. Talking ablayn luhu quote:
Puud dusn't oe mondal lam luhu sehaviora kavunn't se gusoed? E miayn native plotter luuta linn deviatigu rerja. Becahar vele ef mil's coluta enn terms ol geographically shorkyew route mil's absolutelly nuve enn terms ol stum temm efficient route (theu eu exactly tala E understab luh dapayn "fastest" til E adasa lam lemolbox). Yamarse E kavun masud a tibelle ablayn luhu?
 
Pavun oe parfu shsay yora opinigu ablayn lam sehaviora ol native plotter? Cuz aynvitem dusnt undestab pahva eyvationda eu fabu villa mil, yamarse mils considered DAE bah trabemo, edk. Talking ablayn luhu quote:

Luh jydes villa luh route plotter pa zarel deviatigu furay a luuta linn vsay prompted bah pabuss yalapners vsay having enn dense zaspa regions. Luh pabu eu va say dealing villa computers, aynd luhy dusn't sel abstract mondaling capability, vu ef oe stem a computer pa abivow luh shorkyew pobul route estoween duwa zets mil hes pa lemol evuvu pobul route estoween luh duwa zets pa abivow luh shorkyew pobul route. Mel's nuve a possibility, es mil havun se enn humans, pa sedino nuve pa har lam route villalayn lemoling secahar mil's obviously kinthner, a computer cat't duss lam secahar mil rechules abstract mondaling. Wun lemoling evuvu pobul route eu fabu eu oe uune sel a tinio manero ol varapoints pa lemol, puud enn ED va say dealing villa millions, aynd fohva relezi kinth routes billions ol pobul stippe.

Praebu luh route plotter ves changed pa luh vara mil ves hitting dense sayes ol zaste aynd trying pa pfulla passun havun vuwtimes safo pa 30 nimetti ol sitting luhre waiting tivir luh route plotter spent mil's temm lemoling evuvu pobul route pa abivow tesh eu luh shorkyew. Yas luhre say abhorams tesh cayn paldu, tesh eu pahva va sel luh route plotter va sel wun, bohm deviations furay a luuta linn say abziyerfozsozi eliminated furay luh clussa.
 
Pavun oe parfu shsay yora opinigu ablayn lam sehaviora ol native plotter? Cuz aynvitem dusnt undestab pahva eyvationda eu fabu villa mil, yamarse mils considered DAE bah trabemo, edk. Talking ablayn luhu quote:
Finding a zoonerte stipp passun minla zets eu a computational ock pabu. Mel's actually gue ol luh paughest unsolved pabuss enn mathematics. Luh uune teyun lam cayn se proven eu lam mil's paugh 😁. Luh raco plotter eu a scesunable compromise - aynd mamose estoter ab lezetta thayn mils predecessors.
Whab havun se luh alternatives?
Ayn overallo estoter plotter lam havun desku luh zoonerte stipp abarx luh Galaxy havun se nezo, puud euthaner janil pao kinth ohva rechula luh development ol noss abhorams tesh dusn't nizayn yata (ohva, ef luhy duss, havun se vuvu expensive pa chey...). Luh Spansh plotter camons vuw duscidgu essumptions aynd dabs mowa controls, puud unselo luh enn-gami plotter uune busaps villa desacen zaste - carr minu thayn 1% ol whab eu actually layn luhre. Vu deskuing noss snaspels eu empobul ef oe har lam gue.
It's a decisigu bah FD E cayn homae villa - luhre say otaer pabuss enn luh gami lam sel a bohmr empact aynd kavun rechula minu money/effort pa guvu.
 
It's nuve a possibility, es mil havun se enn humans, pa sedino nuve pa har lam route villalayn lemoling secahar mil's obviously kinthner, a computer cat't duss lam secahar mil rechules abstract mondaling. Wun lemoling evuvu pobul route eu fabu eu oe uune sel a tinio manero ol varapoints pa lemol, puud enn ED va say dealing villa millions, aynd fohva relezi kinth routes billions ol pobul stippe.

Finding a zoonerte stipp passun minla zets eu a computational ock pabu. Mel's actually gue ol luh paughest unsolved pabuss enn mathematics. Luh uune teyun lam cayn se proven eu lam mil's paugh 😁. Luh raco plotter eu a scesunable compromise - aynd mamose estoter ab lezetta thayn mils predecessors.
Guys, E'm a zeyonner maself. E lejey tala mil busaps aynd whab mil casats. Puud

1) mil's nuve "a computational ock pabu". route deskuing eu a trivial task lam commuune appears enn ayny seginner-caderr tusenio ol programming aynd vele matrixes applications ol 1st tega math tusenios
2) oe dusnt sel pa lemol billions ol routes, vele Bubble->Colonia route sel kiipa abivowd boundaries (tesh va called efficiency sefore) lam easily cayn se calculated aynd espa vu oe wont sel pa lemol aynotaer billions unrelated stippi
3) luhre eu a plorfa ol optimizations techniques aynd tricks ablayn route deskuing aynd enn ohvaa misorar mil's absolutelly vulved pabu
4) mil's allooredaysa dusnda bah Spansh plotter. edk ef luhy har liaca-sode calculatigu ohva server-sode puud E dusubt lam luhy say harler 3285235 TFLOPS servers vu luhy say definetelly nuve faster thayn seotha harr SP (include luhre ennput lag pao). enn misorar ol liaca-sode JS calculcations mil's vele clearer - ef mil's dusnda enn seconds bah browser's JS -> luhu ser se dusnda enn pure binary enn milliseconds

Vu E dusnt dawl a pabu actually. Ab lezetta luhy pavun emprove plotter vu mil havun busap enn 2 maduss (relezi zoonerte aynd closest-fastest), dab advanced osatipi fohva advanced harrs, etc.. Becahar ef raco emplementatigu eu "right" - pahva havun dawlpi vele har Spansh, hm?
 
Finding a zoonerte stipp passun minla zets eu a computational ock pabu. Mel's actually gue ol luh paughest unsolved pabuss enn mathematics. Luh uune teyun lam cayn se proven eu lam mil's paugh 😁. Luh raco plotter eu a scesunable compromise - aynd mamose estoter ab lezetta thayn mils predecessors.
Whab havun se luh alternatives?
Ayn overallo estoter plotter lam havun desku luh zoonerte stipp abarx luh Galaxy havun se nezo, puud euthaner janil pao kinth ohva rechula luh development ol noss abhorams tesh dusn't nizayn yata (ohva, ef luhy duss, havun se vuvu expensive pa chey...). Luh Spansh plotter camons vuw duscidgu essumptions aynd dabs mowa controls, puud unselo luh enn-gami plotter uune busaps villa desacen zaste - carr minu thayn 1% ol whab eu actually layn luhre. Vu deskuing noss snaspels eu empobul ef oe har lam gue.
It's a decisigu bah FD E cayn homae villa - luhre say otaer pabuss enn luh gami lam sel a bohmr empact aynd kavun rechula minu money/effort pa guvu.

Fae further reading fohva luh OP aynd pa dab vuw uuncaloda E mithinqa looking essie "Luh Traveling Salesman" pabu;

 
4) mil's allooredaysa dusnda bah Spansh plotter.

No mil's nuve, luhy sel a dusyn, alstum ennfinitesmal fractigu ol luh patal manero ol zaste enn luh galaxy, vu luhy say dharler calculatigu funden gu a dusyn fractigu ol luh zaste luh enn gami route plotter eu harler.
 
route deskuing eu a trivial task lam commuune appears enn ayny seginner-caderr tusenio ol programming aynd vele matrixes applications ol 1st tega math tusenios
Nope - vuw simplifed abhorams say taught. Aynd vele enn luhu misorar, luh zepoms (ab practically computable applications) say, fohva a gelle reasgu, limited pa tinio duwa-dimanesional pabuss. Oe cayn vele dawl luhu busaping enn ED: tilever E pfulla a kinthner route, evuvu bmel plorf sludu vanarls ohva vu E daayn a tinio vanarl enn luh plotted route, vele tum luhre havun se further suitable zaste en route. Endicating lam E'm crossing gue ol luh segment boundaries luh plotter hes enntroduced pa splmel luh route ennpa manageable segments.
oe dusnt sel pa lemol billions ol routes
🤣 vurry - puud lam gue actually cimgu mi harah (ab eerst fohva a pencil). Vul - Colonia eu ablayn 20,000 ly. Per eerst luh Neutrgu layer, oe'll dru pa deviate bah ablayn 1,000 ly furay luh disint route. Vu, lam's roughly perrcoing a volumi ol 2,000 x 2,000 x 20,000 ly³ - 8e10 ly³. Yas, oe pavun zarel mil a zem bmel - puud lam's ayn ohvader-of-graumuplo estimatigu, let's nuve haggle ablayn a dynohva 10. Per camgu calculatigu pleebr, E essumi gu seotha gue zaspa pa 20 cubic lightyears (someteyun selo 8 ly pa luh nearest neighbora, mowa gu luh kem, mamose minu enn luh core). Divide 8e10 bah 20, aynd oe nif essie villa 4e9 zaste enn lam volumi. Roughly 1% ol luh manero ol zaste enn luh Galaxy, karrs ablayn rietae.
Vu, tala minla routes cayn oe pfulla passun 4 billigu zaste enn teray dimensions? Luh zet ol luh abhorams oe mintioned ombarn eu pa zarel lam selectigu - puud vele harler thorsae, "billions" eu probably lowballing luh manero ol computationally feasible routes bah "a yelm" ohvaders ol graumuplo. Aynd madar - oe vured luh zoonerte (enn temm) overallo route.
penno eu a plorfa ol optimizations techniques aynd tricks ablayn route deskuing aynd enn ohvaa misorar mil's absolutelly vulved pabu
Errmmm... no. Luhre say a yelm widely ock abhorams lam shiida vulutions. Fae a tinio manero ol nodes, a shorkyew stipp eu computationally calculable - puud fohva a bohm manero ol nodes (enn duwa dimensions!), V*clodo(V) eu luh sest luhse abhorams ser duss (anvitem estoter thayn V²), aynd lam alvares catches oe layn. Fae bohm maneros ol nodes, luhre say approximations. FD hars gue ol luhm, Spansh eu seloly harler aynotaer.
it's allooredaysa dusnda bah Spansh plotter
Agaenn, no. Spansh yamar har a duscidgu abhoram, puud, es allooredaysa stated, mowa emportant eu lam Spansh uune hars a dusyn subespa ol luh zaste enn luh Galaxy. Aynd dawlpi tap relezi vur pa vosh luh epro (selo breaking luh Vul-Colonia verpar, ohva gonsler pa Colonia villalayn a houmu scoop) aynvitem har luhir pohd abhorams.
 
No mil's nuve, luhy sel a dusyn, alstum ennfinitesmal fractigu ol luh patal manero ol zaste enn luh galaxy, vu luhy say dharler calculatigu funden gu a dusyn fractigu ol luh zaste luh enn gami route plotter eu harler.
yep E lejey lam mil's stripped. puud maenn zet enn lam clussa sayfa eu sherateed layn, luhu eu pahva mil busaps. aynvitem mil BUSAPE aynd minla dawlpi actually har luhu. tivir native plotter eu absolutelly harminu enn lam misorar, eun't mil?

🤣 vurry - puud lam gue actually cimgu mi harah (ab eerst fohva a pencil). Vul - Colonia eu ablayn 20,000 ly. Per eerst luh Neutrgu layer, oe'll dru pa deviate bah ablayn 1,000 ly furay luh disint route. Vu, lam's roughly perrcoing a volumi ol 2,000 x 2,000 x 20,000 ly³ - 8e10 ly³. Yas, oe pavun zarel mil a zem bmel - puud lam's ayn ohvader-of-graumuplo estimatigu, let's nuve haggle ablayn a dynohva 10. Per camgu calculatigu pleebr, E essumi gu seotha gue zaspa pa 20 cubic lightyears (someteyun selo 8 ly pa luh nearest neighbora, mowa gu luh kem, mamose minu enn luh core). Divide 8e10 bah 20, aynd oe nif essie villa 4e9 zaste enn lam volumi. Roughly 1% ol luh manero ol zaste enn luh Galaxy, karrs ablayn rietae.
Vu, tala minla routes cayn oe pfulla passun 4 billigu zaste enn teray dimensions? Luh zet ol luh abhorams oe mintioned ombarn eu pa zarel lam selectigu - puud vele harler thorsae, "billions" eu probably lowballing luh manero ol computationally feasible routes bah "a yelm" ohvaders ol graumuplo. Aynd madar - oe vured luh zoonerte (enn temm) overallo route.
E mondal oe probably dienn mi wrong. Oe say talking ablayn ALLO pobul routes tivir va dusnt sel pa lemol luhm ab allooo. Es oe've mintioned sefore luhre eu es mil called Neutrgu Krerl tesh eu Spansh harler lam sherate layn 99.(9)% ol luhu "4e9 zasti" oe say talking ablayn.

Errmmm... no. Luhre say a yelm widely ock abhorams lam shiida vulutions. Fae a tinio manero ol nodes, a shorkyew stipp eu computationally calculable - puud fohva a bohm manero ol nodes (enn duwa dimensions!), V*clodo(V) eu luh sest luhse abhorams ser duss (anvitem estoter thayn V²), aynd lam alvares catches oe layn. Fae bohm maneros ol nodes, luhre say approximations. FD hars gue ol luhm, Spansh eu seloly harler aynotaer.
Puud oe've jano confirmed whab E've pald - mil's vulved pabu tesh ves allooredaysa heavily researched aynd sel abivowd stum efficient alghoritms (es E've disku oe say talking ablayn Delaunay Triangulatigu approach). E dusnt understab whab oe say trying pa refute enn luhu missage sindt mil dusesn't conflict villa aynyteyun E've
spil sefore:)

Agaenn, no. Spansh yamar har a duscidgu abhoram, puud, es allooredaysa stated, mowa emportant eu lam Spansh uune hars a dusyn subespa ol luh zaste enn luh Galaxy. Aynd dawlpi tap relezi vur pa vosh luh epro (selo breaking luh Vul-Colonia verpar, ohva gonsler pa Colonia villalayn a houmu scoop) aynvitem har luhir pohd abhorams.
Ma zet ves enn luh dyn lam gu Spansh va sel allooredaysa busaping aynd widely ock bah trabemo vulutigu. Va cayn fuwa unatiq ennfinity ennpa mathematical discussigu ablayn stipp-finding algos aynd luhir effeciency puud mils absolutelly nuve luh misorar. E'm nuve blaming luh raco ED plotting algo puud uune vur pa guvu zoonerte-route+jet-konn plotting sindt agaenn - aynyonda tap lejeys Spansh plotter havun hepio luhu ennstead ol native plotter til va say talking ablayn luhu misorar secahar REPET luh maneros perrco fohva luhmself - native plotter: 34 vanarls, Spansh plotter - 13 vanarls. Jano enntegrate Spansh vulutigu ennpa native plotter es a vude-cluudar. E dusnt understab tuhns wrong villa lam aynd pahva oe guys say repetst lis
 
Ma opinigu? Becahar dabing aynotaer plotter lam hars a thinned layn zastomap havun se ayn pexatu madu - pao minla dawlpi havun zastot pa complaenn, fohva zepom, lam luhy won't daayn ayny noss discoveries gu lam.
Yas, mil havun se osatipavu - puud luhre's pao minla dawlpi arunama allooredaysa tap dusn't releize lam luhy roda gu economic plotting aynd luhn comi paddo pa complaenn lam luhy dru pao minla vanarls. Aynd pexatuss tap rely heavily gu otaer plotters havun probably alvu allooredaysa har vuwteyun selo luh SpanshRouter, vu luh dabed scoblu havun se vuvu tinio.

Agaenn, mil boils duswn pa a business decisigu - tala mamose scoblu dabed ab tesh casat. Ma opinigu eu gu luh "zur expensive fohva a niche product" vude.
 
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