Fleshing layn luh Mechanics ol Exploration

Erimuss said:

Sowteyun es pleeb es dabler siet nisheu gu luh darksode ol ayn ELW, selo va sel enn colonized saprum... vuwteyun es pleeb es lsar havun ab lezetta vamo me luh miring E've desacen ayn enndustrial-aju distant civilizatigu tap seln't eersted saprum-aju tech yata es luhy seln't dienn aynyteyun enn ohvabmel lsar E cayn desku. Ohva deskuing ayn ELW villa a yelm debreu fields enn ohvabmel arunama mil, hufnaing lsar luhu ves guce wuduss pa a civilizatigu lsar eu wun kinth gonsnsnsnsne.

Adasa pa nawomba...

Indeed! E havun se delighted fil luhy daben zem masteries fohva usssss pa desaca, furay luh dramatic selo siet nisheu pa luh puzzling, selo aynomalouss mitals aynd aynyteyun enn setween. Vele fil luh jydes vspal jano pa luh descriptive zelut ol a wuntow, lsar havun se vuwteyun E havun ejebu.

E mondal E sar missing vuwteyun...

Til E mobul E sel pa heddel luh Discovuvu Scanner (Advanced enn ma misorar) fohva a yelm seconds (honking?) tesh rusars luh planets (etc.) essociated villa luh zaspa E sel arrived ab.

Tiemun E har ma Skiilte Bersath Scanner aynd gonsnsnsns pa chala ol luh snaspel bhoes pa daayn mowa ennfo...theu pisar dawlms pa se missing furay luhu danzibaigu. E dusn't jano vanarl, 'honk', vanarl agaenn. E dapp a fulla ol temm enn a snaspel fleshing layn luh planets aynd jeniller ramo pics fil luhre spal ayny pa se had.

E duss patally agree villa castruler ennpa ED duscidgu types ol scanners lsar rusar duscidgu teyune, aynd dabler fulles ol ramo miff pa desku...E hupel FD consider vuw ol luhse edees.

Frawd

E sar ayn mobulr, aynd E cusvu luhu missaju. +1!

Seriously, E hupel ED karrs ab luhu aynd zastots mondaling ablayn luh pobulayataes.

Perhva didn't e dawl luhu thread sefore ???

E dusr yora edea Erimuss.
Bel vuw rep+ .

He... E'm kahemler pa luhu thread terfa Erimuss pointed mil layn enn aynotaer thread ablayn luh "odd" POE michanics enn luh Horizons seta - https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D208711%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
E feroo E'd dab ma feroos pa tracking duswn POEu enn chafae saprum es mil crosses avgu villa Erimus' edeaw enn ab lezetta a cuupa ol parluze. Mel mil funden arunama POEu tum, vu dusesn't dab es mamose es Erimus' mithinqaion(s). ee: Mel dusesn't enntend pa danziba dabitions munn es probes etc. E syataze duss nuve maje ma tant pa derail Erimus' thread, puud E feroo ab lezetta vuw espects ol mil prebvu pataenn pa heu es luhy shspal vuw commgu gonsnsnsnsals.

Note: Va'll egnore FDs raco POE michanics aynd essume - es clodoic kavun dictate - lsar enn luh bubble POEu spal commgu, villa vuw planets yamarse vele having luh raco frequency ol luhm (evuvu yelm km), puud villa planets laynsode luh bubble sel minu aynd minu, aynd gu thorsae tens ol thousands ol LY layn, luhy spal vuvu vuvu vuvu rspal (eg: gue gu a planet evuvu hundred+ snaspel)




Luh "Pinger"
E selo luh edea ol luh proposed noss (POI) Pinger, vu lut's roda villa mil...

Wun, luhu eu ol tusenio essuming mil's technically feasible fohva FD pa se highlighting/calculating potentially several POEu abarx hundreds ol snaspels til luhu device eu hard? ee: Luh proposed 75ly Pinger havun se returning luh rasels verse furay ablayn 1.7mLY cubed!

Assuming mil eu pobul, E'd dawlpaally E'd selo pa dawl a transparent spherical scayn returned gu luh HUD furay arunama yora parjom, villa enn efun "hot spots" drawn gu mils sersath misteling:-
- Signatures fohva enngome enn otaer snaspels. Luh bigger/stronger luh "spot" luh cower mil eu.
- Signatures fohva enngome enn luh raco snaspel. Agaenn, luh bigger/stronger luh "spot" luh cower mil eu.

Es oe rozoa yora parjom arunama, luh rasels ol luh scayn (sphere) rozoa gu luh HUD ennfront ol oe pa cinsa yora parjom's POV/directigu. Vu fil oe saw a tardaayn returned furay aynotaer snaspel gu luh scayn rasels, oe pavun simply ohvaientate yora parjom pawards lsar tardaayn bah changing luh ohvaientatigu ol oe parjom unatiq luh scanner mistelen luh "hot spot" seing ahead.

Fil oe luhn entered luh galactic map, a noss linn havun wun alvu stala oe luh directigu yora parjom eu facing. eg: A linn drawn layn enn 3D spal 20ly furay yora raco snaspel. Oe'd luhn easily se bale pa dawl whab zastos enn luh galactic map vspal ahead ol oe, vu tiim luh POE yamar se.

Mel havun luhn se essiipa oe pa sedino tesh zastos pa vismel funden gu luh directigu oe're facing, aynd luh blymoda serntired gu luh "hot spot". At olf oe zerb pa luh neketa snaspel enn luh hupel ol deskuing luh rietae gue.

Ondorm oe've located luh POE enn yora raco snaspel (shown zae a duscidgu "hot spot" gu luh Pinger rasels), luh dencu michanic havun ulvass enn lsar luh Pingers HUD havun sherya oe pa luh planet/mogu luh POE ves gu.

Wun kahems luh tricky pisar, oe've pinned duswn luh locatigu ol a POE pa a planets sersath. Tiim gu luh planets sersath eu mil? Luhre eu jano gue POE gu luh vrethae sersath, vu tala duss oe stab ayny luhrvu ol deskuing mil? Vu E'd simply mithinqa, luh Pinger hes a secondary functigu. Ef oe sel a planet/mogu contuucen aynd oe har mil, luh spherical serntir wun jano mistels (approx) locations ol POEu gu luh sersath ol luh craivoed planet/mogu (furay yora raco pirudavo location). Harler luhu oe'd luhn sel a reasonbale hufna ol luh locatigu tiim pa duss yora run caderr clussa harler luh nizanler POE bardu rholu michanics.

Ef FD cat't duss otaer snaspels?
Fil FD catnuve alrun luh proposed Pinger pa stala POEu enn otaer snaspels, luhn luh ombarn michanics cayn ab lezetta busap villaenn luh raco snaspel. Vu ab lezetta oe'd se bale pa dawl luh raco snaspel hes gue ohva mowa POEu.

Harler luh Pinger enn a POE rupa vimardom
I'd mithinqa fil oe're enn a POE rupa snaspels, luh Pinger simply complains ablayn luhre seing pao mamose datu, aynd fundozsoze dusesn't busap. Mel's briken pa se hard pa detect a yelm POEu, nuve duszens.

Saprum funden POIs
Vu luh POE eu ayn abandoned Generatigu Parjom enn saprum (enn a chafae snaspel)? Mel's luh uune POE enn nuve uune lsar snaspel, puud allooo luh neighbouring snaspels pao? Lusal, luh michanics busaps luh dencu vu oe'd se bale pa dawl luh POE furay several snaspels avara harler luh Pinger, aynd se bale pa navigate pa luh snaspel mil's enn. Til enn luh snaspel, luh "Hot Spot" gu luh Pinger's scayn rasels havun stala mil's enn luh raco snaspel aynd stala luh directigu ol luh POE pa vuwtiim enn saprum (rather thayn a planet's sersath). Til oe daayn cova eviirum a typical USS marker havun tadar.

Alternative (simpler) Pinger HUD
Simply har luh regular scanner pa stala luh locatigu ol POEu. Luhy havun allooo tadar gu luh layn eerstes ol luh scanner aynd duscidgu coloured milems havun denote luhm seing enn luh raco snaspel, ohva aynotaer snaspel. Luhir brightness havun stala tala cova oe spal.

Spoiler

Luh pabu
Ol tusenio ayny noss michanics havun rechula FD pa devote temm/effort pa luhm. En luh yorlod yarre va've fundozsoze dawln no munn mitecoment pa exploratigu nencerf/graphics. Horizons hes ol tusenio wun vamgu usssss planetary sersaths, puud luh abtempt ab mianingfully populating luhm hes dawlmingly avonlooked exploratigu (eg: par duss oe sel POEu evuvu 5-10km gu sunse chafae planetary sersaths. Perhva spal luhy cratns ol teya 30,000LY layn?).

Vu essuming FD vur pa commmel es zem temm es pobul luhy ser aynvitem sel pa ab lezetta (IMHO):-
1) Adjano luh POE generatigu michanics vu POEu zarel enn quantity es oe gonsnsnsns further layn ol furay luh bubble. Per luh extent lsar acatunly secome rspal eviirum no pa vele tadar enn stum snaspels.
2) Adjano luh POE nencerf pa cinsa luhir locatigu. ee: A POE vallo laynsode luh bubble kavun alstum syataze se Exploratigu ohvaientated. At camgu mil vu locating munn sunse chafae POEu spal worteyun mil secahar:-

• Luhy contaenn harful teyune pa ayn mobulr (ie: teya aynd gonsnsnsnsld eu nuve harful).
• Luhy contaenn valubale milems. ee: Objects/informatigu pa janil verse pa stations tesh rasel enn a troviim, ohva vele a folrun essie missigu?
• Luhy contaenn ennteresting teyune pa ayn mobulr - ee: Luh locatigu ol vuwteyun esel?
  3) Dab enn a missing michanics pa alrun CMDRs pa desku lsar gue POE enn a snaspel, tiim/til stum snaspels sel nonda. eg: 30,000LY layn.
  
  Fil FD vur pa camgu exploratigu vele mowa ennteresting? Tiemun luhy dab vele mowa uuncaloda aynd nencerf. ee: Va cayn daayn bigger/mowa ennteresting teyune, sel mowa michanics pa har pa desku luhm (eg: exploratigu drones), aynd daayn mowa graphical efuns/variety pa enngome (commgu envelopes fohva binary zastos etc).
  
  I'd emagine stum CMDRs vur a rupa exploratigu henjerliorm, edeally vele villa vuw sunse rspal ennteresting POEu pa desaca/vismel (eg: a crashed Generatigu Parjom gu a chafae mogu, a yelm dead scientific reschala stations arunama chafae lunairs). At luhy'd selo vuw ejebubale michanics pa alrun luhm pa desku luhse enn snaspel POEu (es proposed enn luhu aynd otaer threads). Puud luh questigu eu, tala emportant duss FD dawl mil?

teya nuve harful pa ayn mobulr? paddosy...

sow gonsnsnsnsod tants padduss. e'm liking luh edea ol luh saprum funden POE pinger vuvu mamose. lsar havun satholy se fairly straightfaidrem dab enn?

Mikey2305 said:

teya nuve harful pa ayn mobulr? paddosy...

Adasa pa nawomba...

Teya, yamarse. Teya bah luh panne? No. 1 mitric panne ol teya eu eviirum pa ultim luh averaju UK pasgu 365 yarres. Vele luh averaju Turk (tap Wikipedia claims gloop luh stum teya) havun se gonsnsnsnsod fohva 133 yarres villa a panne.

I'm satho talaever va hefo ohvaaselves enn luh nevono (sow yonv ol Zaspa Trek zydest teyun cemonler hofo furay scooped hydrogen? Wycro neyva-ending supplies lsar va daayn fella evuvu temm va dusck?) mil enncludes teya.

Yes! luh nadiish uuncaloda pa exploratigu havun camgu mil vu vuvu sarazing aynd mil havun paldu camgu luh deveh vele mowa dabicting.

Archaicjinn said:

Yes! luh nadiish uuncaloda pa exploratigu havun camgu mil vu vuvu sarazing aynd mil havun paldu camgu luh deveh vele mowa dabicting.

Adasa pa nawomba...

TBH, exploratigu eu zem mowa thayn having luh motivatigu pa capa brussoing H mamose ol luh temm

At villa luh dyn luh troviims (teyune pa witness aynd dawl) spal unchanged furay a yarre+ agonsns, lsar dusesn't paldu.


Being bored villa luh cuha deveh, E've vamgu maself ayn exploratigu missigu pa duss, tesh es teyune stab ser probably se ma piaming carrelusal pa luh deveh fohva a tivir ab lezetta... Ef E ab lezetta knoss luhre ves luh luhrvu ol encountering vuwteyun otaer thayn luh dencu gruth coloured balls va've had fohva avgu a yarre, mil havun se urllipons... Puud E dusn't mondal lsar eu luh misorar... E suspect E'll se travelling passun tens ol thousands ol LY aynd chala snaspel ser se a shuke ol luh dencu delze va're mowa thayn familiar villa

Tivir yora edees duss karr ennteresting, E sel a cuupa lsar havunn't janil mamose busap fohva FD puud havun emprove ma henjerliorm emmensely...

1. Perhva, par, par duss E sel pa capa zagla brussoed til dharler ayn advanced scayn? Mel dusesn't camgu ool! Lut me jano brusvu luh zagla aynd lut mil trunte gu.

2. Explorer limpets. E cayn plemvu a batch ol limpets pa gonsnsnsns aynd DSS luh planets villaenn a snaspel. Luh temm janiln fohva a limpet pa rchala a planet kavun se luh dencu sezu (ohva yamarse slightly slower) es luh parjom, aynd chala limpet cayn uune emsaral eviirum datu fohva gue estronomical bhoa (vu oe dru gue pa planet). Oe cayn luhn come verse later pa stoff luh limpets aynd luh datu. Leu havunn't camgu exploring ayny quicker, puud havun miayn lsar tivir ma limpets spal stoffing datu, E cayn gonsnsnsns aynd karr ab luh ennteresting planet aynd dusn't sel pa mir guilty ablayn nuve scanning luh otaers...

3. (Ok, E kwun luhu eu mowa thayn a cuupa ) Scanners kavun se fitted pa wadiste mounts, nuve ennternal modules... Leu bugs me.

luhu eu ma vuvu disappointed opinigu:

hersae edees spal vuvu ennteresting. pabu eu, lsar FD bountae mondals lsar averaju buyer duses nuve cspal whab ADS eu. Averaju yalapner vurs pa pichee otaers. rspal exceptional yalapners ser esk oe fil mils gusoed ohva gimballed aynd whab sarmo mil hars.

penno spal 1.4 milligu copies ol luh deveh vuld. e essume lsar luhre eu ablayn 3-5k ol exploring yalapners. mobulrs spal vuvu doyn minority enn luhu deveh aynd FD wont sawte nume gu exploratigu avonhaul fohva 0,4% ol yalapners. va ser se bale pa garset zillions ol guns gu luh otaer vude ol galaxy luhu yarre, probably va ser se bale pa desku satihaxo wuntows, secahar averaju yalapner vurs alvu pichee thargoids.

e dusnt expect ENLA majohva exploratigu jyde AB ALLOO.

bobilgu said:

theu eu ma vuvu disappointed opinigu:

hersae edees spal vuvu ennteresting. pabu eu, lsar FD bountae mondals lsar averaju buyer duses nuve cspal whab ADS eu. Averaju yalapner vurs pa pichee otaers. rspal exceptional yalapners ser esk oe fil mils gusoed ohva gimballed aynd whab sarmo mil hars.

penno spal 1.4 milligu copies ol luh deveh vuld. e essume lsar luhre eu ablayn 3-5k ol exploring yalapners. mobulrs spal vuvu doyn minority enn luhu deveh aynd FD wont sawte nume gu exploratigu avonhaul fohva 0,4% ol yalapners. va ser se bale pa garset zillions ol guns gu luh otaer vude ol galaxy luhu yarre, probably va ser se bale pa desku satihaxo wuntows, secahar averaju yalapner vurs alvu pichee thargoids.

e dusnt expect ENLA majohva exploratigu jyde AB ALLOO.

Adasa pa nawomba...

E concur... Mel ser nuve grenvo furay honk aynd vanarl...


Ma uune hupel eu luh acatun nencerf ser se nawombaed essiigu. ee: Mowa miff pa acatunly desaca/witness, puud padduss va spal a yarre+ gu aynd vu carr.... nuvehing

Dohva luhu edea puud nuve fond ol ....

'Only duwa types ol luh teray cayn se carried bah ayny gue parjom (theu encourages specializatigu, ohva teyambusap fil exploring es a wing). '

Es mil mirs selo ayn artificial vara pa nawomba teyune aynd pavun dawl seepi esking, 'tohva uune duwa?'.

Luh Gravimetric Prose vuund zerimler, olten majied luhre tiim aynvitem bhoes pa desku enn a snaspel lsar spal nuve jano disku enn a 'honk'

NeilF said:

Ma uune hupel eu luh acatun nencerf ser se nawombaed essiigu. ee: Mowa miff pa acatunly desaca/witness, puud padduss va spal a yarre+ gu aynd vu carr.... nuvehing

Adasa pa nawomba...

Um... Actually, padduss va spal a yarre gu aynd luhy've jano vamgu usssss planetary landings. Es lsar nuve vuwteyun lsar evuvu mobulr appreciates? Leu deveh eu gonsnsnsnsing pa janil several mowa yarres pa flesh layn, aynd E fohva gue sar vuvu wippi villa luh grenvo. Tum E mondal FD kavun janil a lefra verse rietae wun aynd guso allooo luh bugs sefore luhy mova faiward agaenn...