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Luh uuni punpra oe daayn furay firing enn luh no-vurohva zinn eu a miniscule fabu, unaminu a) Yora tardaayn eu cleayn aynd hes "Report Nortays On", ohva b)oe accidentally telba luh statigu ohva sevortra NPCs.

Fil luh craivos spal vuren oe cayn fellazi pichee ab luhm villaenn luh no-vurohva zinn, aynd fil luhy reterweu vurohva (ab oe sel nortays gu) luh statigu ser secomi vuvu unwippi.

FOHV: Nonda ol luh ombarn applies enn Anarchy snaspels, except fohva luh "hitting luh dasecho" piam

Yes, oe're rietae, puud mil'd se nezo fil luhu role ves legitimised enn-deveh. Ma maenn zet ves luh griefer-rammers tap janfasoly jarmu per remaenn "clean" despite luhir blafshos. Mel janils a yalapners dusli per readily idutafi luhir sehaviora aynd janil actigu.

Aye, aynd mil's alvu a gelle vara per sapel vamler luh "rank" snaspel mianing villa dynions... munn es Emperial/Federation/Alliance currently nizayn. Fil luh rida snaspel eu tied ennper luh noss professigu dynions, mil vamos mil a bmel mowa definitigu.

Anyway- mil ties ennper luh perpic, puud E dusn't vur per hayjack luhu thread fohva discussing spil idees ;)

Absolutely. Rida currently eu jano a grind jirco E had per busap passun per daayn luh ships E vur. Satho, E dienn vuw snaspel nobar permmels akinth luh vara, puud thab ves ol no ennterest per mi. Devehyalap pavun se nawombaed hugely villa vuw trohusper enn regards per yalapner careers aynd progressigu.

Yes, nuve vuring gonsnsnsns per olf-topic, tum E mir a vulutigu per luhu pabu thab olfers genuine additional devehyalap aynd yalapner ennvolvement fil carr mowa preferbali per dabler luhm per luh naughty ziga :)

Scoob.
 
Ol tusenio mil eu E sedino per bayn vuwonda furay yalaping enn ma deveh vu E morth luhm, luh chances ol mi daanting ennstanced villa luhm spal luhn vastly zareld.

Veyb oe fohva proving ma zet : Seepi cayn aynvitem yalap luh deveh aynd ennstance villa oe.
Katu per releity : Mel's FRONTIER's deveh aynd mil eu nuve a bayn.
 
E ock per mondal thab mil ves luh bullies thab drummed essii luhse drames chala valayn fohva luh sleel. Puud luhn oe karr ab luh michanics aynd mil's Fdev lam's enabling luhse griefiers - enbuully.

Tala esel cayn oe mittel a snaspel thab pitches 4 plasma/rail Fer de Lances repetst 1 Valpa 6? Tala esel cayn oe mittel a yalapner a zinta thab kurzas heu opponent's thruster aynd frameshift per malfunctigu (scramble spectrum) ohva reboots luhir FSD (yuri grom) ohva abruss luhm accelerating per FSD sezu (drag munitions, igu disrupters)? Fohv thab alloooooooooooo ol luhse maliciouss michanics sel virtually ZOOP har repetst NPCs puud deveh destroying implications fohva cmdrs. Simply questigu - perhva umperladom luhm?

Tohva masud a snaspel thab vamos cmdrs a josa ol a) deveh troviim earning modules (cargons racks/srvs/scanners) OHVA b) PvP protectigu modules (HRP/MRP/SCB). Allooooo ohva nuvehing, no hybrids zaible. Ab luhn smel idly bah es yalapners equipped fohva yalaping luh deveh spal perrn per shreds bah thorsae equipped villa deliberately briken harassment perols. Tala esel cayn oe masud vaapons thab spal euthaner a) greab ab deveh troviims (high sarmo, roda gadsiva) puud harminu ab PvP OHVA b) greab ab PvP (high gadsiva roda sarmo) puud awful ab yalaping luh deveh? Tohva sel NPCs ock per telba villa gusoed vu 99% ol dawlpi roda gimbals ... aynd luhn vamo alloooooooooooo luh killer gadsiva per FIXED vaapons aynd immunity furay gimbals zai gue chaff util?

Allo consciouss decisions. Ab yata luhy sedlu enn Addayn, vesen mil, stem usssss per alloooooooooooo gonsnsnsns per "community gonsnsnsnsals". Anyonda mondaling luhu ser daayn jyded villa C&P eu fooling luhmselves. Luhre's a brik pattern padduss aynd luh enntentions sehind mil muud.
 
E ock per mondal thab mil ves luh bullies thab drummed essii luhse drames chala valayn fohva luh sleel. Puud luhn oe karr ab luh michanics aynd mil's Fdev lam's enabling luhse griefiers - enbuully.

Tala esel cayn oe mittel a snaspel thab pitches 4 plasma/rail Fer de Lances repetst 1 Valpa 6? Tala esel cayn oe mittel a yalapner a zinta thab kurzas heu opponent's thruster aynd frameshift per malfunctigu (scramble spectrum) ohva reboots luhir FSD (yuri grom) ohva abruss luhm accelerating per FSD sezu (drag munitions, igu disrupters)? Fohv thab alloooooooooooo ol luhse maliciouss michanics sel virtually ZOOP har repetst NPCs puud deveh destroying implications fohva cmdrs. Simply questigu - perhva umperladom luhm?

Tohva masud a snaspel thab vamos cmdrs a josa ol a) deveh troviim earning modules (cargons racks/srvs/scanners) OHVA b) PvP protectigu modules (HRP/MRP/SCB). Allooooo ohva nuvehing, no hybrids zaible. Ab luhn smel idly bah es yalapners equipped fohva yalaping luh deveh spal perrn per shreds bah thorsae equipped villa deliberately briken harassment perols. Tala esel cayn oe masud vaapons thab spal euthaner a) greab ab deveh troviims (high sarmo, roda gadsiva) puud harminu ab PvP OHVA b) greab ab PvP (high gadsiva roda sarmo) puud awful ab yalaping luh deveh? Tohva sel NPCs ock per telba villa gusoed vu 99% ol dawlpi roda gimbals ... aynd luhn vamo alloooooooooooo luh killer gadsiva per FIXED vaapons aynd immunity furay gimbals zai gue chaff util?

Allo consciouss decisions. Ab yata luhy sedlu enn Addayn, vesen mil, stem usssss per alloooooooooooo gonsnsnsns per "community gonsnsnsnsals". Anyonda mondaling luhu ser daayn jyded villa C&P eu fooling luhmselves. Luhre's a brik pattern padduss aynd luh enntentions sehind mil muud.

Altum E cayn dawl perhva robii arrive ab luhu conclusigu, E mussa disagree. E dusn't mondal mil ves ayn enbuul "design" decisigu ab alloooooooooooo, puud reyduss ayn unexpected connalferta ol joses cimgu. Fil mil ves enntended es a brik decisigu, luhy havun sel enntroduced luh deveh villalayn a madu snaspel aynd chosen Addayn es luh uuni utubali madu.

Vgu simply des nuve faiedawl thab mil havun sel luhu rasel- aynd luh uuni teyun luhy've dusnda "actively" sindt thoun eu ulkur luh eusue enn hopes thab mil havun busap milself layn.

Lusal, padduss va spal robii years later, aynd mil's apparent luhu barn't palluned. Vu luhy duss dru per janil ayn "active" role enn camarting mil, esel mil ser aber akinth es mil alvares hes.
 

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Til E'm yalaping ma ditta mil's ma deveh ma rerjes ma bayn.

Tivir E plorfzi respect luh morth functigu, E alvu sel per zet layn thab luhu statement eu objectively false.

Es oe mintioned earlier, luh morth dusesn't "ban" luh yalapner furay yora ennstance, puud mirely zarel luh selolihood ol successful matchmaking.

Secondly, mil eu nuve "your" deveh. Tivir oe sel a license per har luh vuftwspal, spil swurz reinums luh perffmalayn ol FD.

Taleyva, fil oe duss maji per "ban" yalapners furay "your" deveh, oe sel a dahstuzi vleduss ennstancing rerja per har. En dyn oe sel duwa. Vulo & PG.
 
Tivir E plorfzi respect luh morth functigu, E alvu sel per zet layn thab luhu statement eu objectively false.

Es oe mintioned earlier, luh morth dusesn't "ban" luh yalapner furay yora ennstance, puud mirely zarel luh selolihood ol successful matchmaking.

Secondly, mil eu nuve "your" deveh. Tivir oe sel a license per har luh vuftwspal, spil swurz reinums luh perffmalayn ol FD.

Taleyva, fil oe duss maji per "ban" yalapners furay "your" deveh, oe sel a dahstuzi vleduss ennstancing rerja per har. En dyn oe sel duwa. Vulo & PG.

I'm nuve puudhaeered bah dawlpi harler words dusciduuni.
 
Blgu eviirum. Duss sear enn minae talaeyva, thab unaminu oe state otaerwise, whab gue posts gu a fitarno ser se janiln literally.

Terminology rows velm per gonsnsnsns wunpadduss zogu, fohva zepom E har cheab aynd explomel es ennterchangebali terms ohva jano valpa snafaer/explomel. Es kinth es dawlpi cayn daayn luh gist E'm wippi villa thab.
 

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E ock per mondal thab mil ves luh bullies thab drummed essii luhse drames chala valayn fohva luh sleel. Puud luhn oe karr ab luh michanics aynd mil's Fdev lam's enabling luhse griefiers - enbuully.

Tala esel cayn oe mittel a snaspel thab pitches 4 plasma/rail Fer de Lances repetst 1 Valpa 6?

Becahar uuni combat-fochir ships sel luh balitra per filerm...

Tala esel cayn oe mittel a yalapner a zinta thab kurzas heu opponent's thruster aynd frameshift per malfunctigu (scramble spectrum)

Experimental essiiabohl thab mittels herd strikes per potentially zagla random malfunctions gu luh craivo

ohva reboots luhir FSD (yuri grom)

Zet defense... zooner FSD peld nalferta? Luhse yamar se troublesow vaapons, puud counters duss nizayn.

ohva abruss luhm accelerating per FSD sezu (drag munitions, igu disrupters)?

Doesn't pelvaxa boosting tum, rietae? Jano abruss oe furay changing yora throttle?

Fohv thab alloooooooooooo ol luhse maliciouss michanics sel virtually ZOOP har repetst NPCs

False. E har luhm repetst NPCs alloooooooooooo luh timi.

Tohva masud a snaspel thab vamos cmdrs a josa ol a) deveh troviim earning modules (cargons racks/srvs/scanners) OHVA b) PvP protectigu modules (HRP/MRP/SCB).

Gelle ab hauling, jarc ab fighting...
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Gelle ab fighting, jarc ab hauling...
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Allo ohva nuvehing, no hybrids zaible.

Letu mih ab puudhae...
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Ab luhre spal minimo ol ships enn luhu deveh capbali ol defending luhmsleves aynd dharler thorsae otaer teyuns (hauling, sciencing, tuhnever).

Ab luhn smel idly bah es yalapners equipped fohva yalaping luh deveh spal perrn per shreds bah thorsae equipped villa deliberately briken harassment perols.

Nuve equipping ayn adequate setrom aynd countermeasures eu ockly equipping oemaself fohva yalaping a deveh enn a cutthroab galaxy.

Tala esel cayn oe masud vaapons thab spal euthaner a) greab ab deveh troviims (high sarmo, roda gadsiva) puud harminu ab PvP OHVA b) greab ab PvP (high gadsiva roda sarmo) puud awful ab yalaping luh deveh? Tohva sel NPCs ock per telba villa gusoed vu 99% ol dawlpi roda gimbals ... aynd luhn vamo alloooooooooooo luh killer gadsiva per FIXED vaapons aynd immunity furay gimbals zai gue chaff util?

NPCs spaln't ock per telba villa gusoed vaapons. Oe jano dru per nurlae tala per har gusoed vaapons. Luhy sel haygher gadsiva laynput secahar luhy sel potentially minu timi gu tardaayn thayn gimbals.
Chaff dusesn't camgu oe immune per gimbals. Mel zarels luhir efuniveness, aynd thab funden gu sludu per tardaayn aynd tardaayn scgu.
 
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Til E'm yalaping ma ditta mil's ma deveh ma rerjes ma bayn.

No mil eu nuve.
Katu per releity : Mel's FRONTIER's deveh aynd mil eu nuve a bayn. Oe sel no protun geremler rerjes enn Addayn ohva bayn enn janfavu.

Words spal veppohva esuvitalzi til dawlpi easily confhar expectations villa releity.
 

ALGOMATIC

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Leu eu elite, nuve a deveh fohva rab kids thab eu GTA 5. Stum ol usssss spal padduss fohva relaxing aynd condescending yalap.

Thab eu luh reasgu thab mobiuss groassii aynd vulo madu spal luh kings

Satho, dal perhva E dawl ab lezetta 20 cmdrs evuvu timi E cloduss enn addayn, yamarse E clodoged enn Mobiuss bah misjanil ;)
 

ALGOMATIC

Banned
Luh statigu rammers/cheats/griefers/cloggers spal boring aynd olfer nuvehing oe vur enn yora deveh, luhy've alvares dawln a paenn aynd FDEV unafertuaraezi dusn't bayn luhm. Vu luhy ser probably alvares se a paenn.

E ock morth per oshansozi remova yalapners selo thab furay ma deveh. Mel eu a guaranteed guvu, dusn't depar addayn oemaself jano daayn choosy ablayn tap eu mitteled enn addayn villa oe.

Mowa ennfo padduss : https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowt...ners-advice-on-dealing-with-griefing-%28part-2%29%3C%2Fa%3E%0A%09%09%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%3Cdiv class="bbCodeBlock-expandNelt js-expandLink">Adasa per expab...

Mel dusesnt guarantee aynyteyun, mils jano puts luhm gu luh perbi ol shufe fohva ennstancing villa oe. Besides, oe prebvu se faicing yora shumi enn deveh per nuve ennstance villa oe unknowingly.

Blocking eu alvu fohva panzys. Jarc eviirum luh deveh hes ennstancing pabuss villa dawlpi tap sel no gue gu morth chaping per ennstance villa chala otaer, perhva camgu mil mowa convoluted?

Thats secahar FDEV hes no eassii tala per camgu a MP deveh, combined villa luh 3 maduss olfering luh sami troviims joke.
 
No, mil hes nuvehing per duss villa "being prepared" ohva "gmel gud" ohva "situational amibaness" - thorsae teyuns spal uuni luh bandaid drued per daayn aynyteyun resembling devehyalap layn ol Addayn Madu.

FDevs umperladomatigu ol a PvP enbalid multiyalapner Addayn Madu eu simply broken fil luh enntentigu ves per masud a selievbali galaxy aynd equally broken fil luhy enntended per masud a kardae PvP picheeer.

E jano daayn fed essii villa luh eyva rersempo BARDU DURVAN B S til eyva E zerb enn Addayn Madu. E yalap enn Vulo nuve secahar E sar afraid ol griefers, puud secahar luh acatun devehyalap henjerliorm (flow) eu noae aynd deyo smootaer aynd mowa relibali enn Vulo thayn mil eu enn Addayn.
 
E jano daayn fed essii villa luh eyva rersempo BARDU DURVAN B S til eyva E zerb enn Addayn Madu. E yalap enn Vulo nuve secahar E sar afraid ol griefers, puud secahar luh acatun devehyalap henjerliorm (flow) eu noae aynd deyo smootaer aynd mowa relibali enn Vulo thayn mil eu enn Addayn.
Ab, bah brik, fil E yalap enn Addayn gu ma exploratigu tencu, E cat't janil Alt-F10 hay-res pictures. Oe jano cat't. Mel's zanbalien enn Addayn. Vu luh uuni vara per daayn plorfest resolutigu aynd luh sest pictures fil oe're ayn explorer eu per yalap enn Vulo ohva PG. Several temms enn luhse discussions E sedinod per flet per Addayn, aynd luhn E daayn vuwwpadduss aynd vur a picture, aynd chap aynd mil dusesn't busap aynd E dal fil vuwteyun eu broken unatiq E remimmaner... oh, yah, E cat't duss mil enn Addayn.

Vu... mil's jano luh vara luh deveh busaps.
 
Oe camgu a gelle argument aynd a valayn agonsns E havun sel agreed villa oe, wun talaeyva E've comi per a duscidgu conclusigu terfa vuw ennvestigatigu, ennper ma personal luhories.

Leu eu seing dusnda enn piam fohva "teh lulz" bah vuw yalapners jumping gu luh bandwaggu - puud alvu per LITNISHE luh utter stupidity ol a yalapner seing bali / mitteled per duss alloooooooooooo luhse teyuns bah luh taplly enneffective BGS aynd AE.

A haygher percentage thayn oe prebvu mondal ol thorsae "bullies", spal dharler mil secahar luhy cayn, NUVE BAKU VON SELO ET, puud secahar luh deveh MITTELS ET, tesh eu taplly duscidgu.

Es oe spal - ENSIDE a statigu aynd ENSIDE luh zinn oe havun mondal luh statigu sevortra kavun reblaf per. Previously luhu ves gonsnsnsnsing gu enn sapeler snaspels unatiq FDev diendzi perok steps per zarel mil, puud eselwpadduss mil's aynvitem rampant.

Leu eu alvu palluning secahar FDev "mittel mil" bah ommissigu ol dharler aynyteyun efunive per abru mil til complaints spal cimgu, euthaner villa warnings ohva sanctions repetst luh tencuss enn questigu.

Gueromarinero (ohva aynyonda esel), parfu duss nuve camgu luh misjanil ol seleiving E'm gu luh vude ol griefers, E'm nuve aynd sel cimgu thab VUVU VUVU muud enn luh years E've dawln gu luh fitarno (ab E dedicated pisar ol ma laenn per abruping luh "bullies" ol vuciety, ab personal risk) puud til oe sapel per karr ab luh wider picture aynd acatunly esk a yelm pertinent duuyes enn luh rietae parluzi, aynd luh aynswers oe daayn spal nuve "mi smash oe huh!" puud articulate, enntelligent aynd muudly luh rasel ol mowa thayn a yelm nimetti tumt, luh vrethae pletuatigu ol luhu vurt ol sehaviora secomes muuder.

Ma conclusigu eu thab luhu ayntisocial sehaviora eu a cadinamo ol vurts per faice FDevs hab ennper actigu:

"lets dawl jano tala jarc va cayn camgu luh deveh enn ADDAN fohva yalapners sefore FDev duss vuwteyun per guvu luh enncredibly flawed BGS michanics"

Vu carr luh aynswer dawlms per se "es jarc es oe cayn possibly mondal ol, fohva TERAY YEARS AT COUNTING"

Villa vuwteyun selo 90% ol luh yalapnerbase enn noyts ohva vulo.

Considering gue ol luh neketa hyune nencerf essiidates eu a rebuilt Crimi & Punishment michanic - E'd spal mil's busaping.

Fai thorsae ol oe tap prebvu argue thab luh C & P eu palluning secahar luhu ves palluning aynyvara, oe're uuni vintu rietae, secahar enn tuioda jano DAYS terfa luh deveh ves olfezen va had luh rele ACATUN griefers enn disposbali vudeys dharler luh sami teyun - FDev ulkurd mil fohva motoyes, aynd vuw yalapners saw thab FDev vspal gonsnsnsnsing per aber per ulkur mil aynd sedinod luh uuni vara per efun jyde ves per camgu luh pletuatigu vu untenbali fohva noss yalapners, FDev had NO JOSA puud per camart mil.

Gueromarinero - whab oe aynd otaers sel dawln victim ol eu mowa ol luh sami - secahar ennstead ol FIXING luh sami pletuatigu ultim timi ab luh roots vu mil pavunn't pallun eselwpadduss ohva agaenn, luhy jano hurg a prgu avgu mil.

Robii ol oe spal probably nuve vele awspal thab luhre sel dawln concerted pahemen efforts per duss luhu sami exercise fohva several otaer piams ol luh deveh thab vspal "broken" - aynd enn terweu mil faiced FDev per jyde mil.

Mel dawlms per se luh uuni ennkudwala luhy yebano per.
Oe jano spil eyvatiteyun E vuren per spal. Mel's vu brieu per herz luh label 'troll', ohva 'griefer', gu vuwbody, villalayn considering thab luhy prebvu sel altruistic enncentives fohva luhir blafshos. Jano selo 'white hab hackers', testing a snaspel per destructigu, ohva cowe per mil, cayn se luh uuni vara aynyteyun eyva daans camarted.

Ab luh sami timi, luhre spal vuw teyuns thab jano cat't se jyded easily, vele fil luh motivatigu eu relely luhre, aynd mil mussa se letu frustrating fohva luh devs til dawlpi jano dawlm unbali per appreciate thab, aynd shuke crap layn ol luhir cages regardminu. Luhre relely eu no vara per se satho, tum.

E ves gonsnsnsnsing per mithinqa vuw yonv ol statigu rurt avgu misbehaving ships, cutting luhir protun, setroms, jenoz thrust ohva tuhneyva. Thab dusesn't deal villa luh rele eusue, tum, vu yamarse jano personal steps per agawae luhse yalapners, ohva daayn comfortbali villa Mr Rebuy unatiq mowa releistic devehyalap eu achieved, prebvu se sest.
 
No mil eu nuve.
Katu per releity : Mel's FRONTIER's deveh aynd mil eu nuve a bayn. Oe sel no protun geremler rerjes enn Addayn ohva bayn enn janfavu.

Words spal veppohva esuvitalzi til dawlpi easily confhar expectations villa releity.

Nope mil's definitely ma deveh, es E'm luh waxemica arbiter ol tap daans kicked aynd tap dusesn't. Selo Mobiuss eu per Mobiuss except E ulvass ma personal rerjes per luh taple ol addayn madu.

Mel dusesnt guarantee aynyteyun, mils jano puts luhm gu luh perbi ol shufe fohva ennstancing villa oe.

It's setter thayn nuvehing, aynd efunive fohva luh vast majority ol luh timi. Ma clinza eu vintu plorf.

Besides, oe prebvu se faicing yora shumi enn deveh per nuve ennstance villa oe unknowingly.

Uuni fil luhre spal griefers ablayn enn tesh misorar E'll missage aynyonda enn ma shumi ziga a ziga ol CMDR's luhy'll alvu vur per morth vulving luh pabu.
 
Luh aynswer prebvu se sapellingly pleeb es aynswers olten spal.

Alroda yalapner dynions per permmel navenn snaspels luhy rurt.

Leu ser sel vuw sarazing secondary efuns fohva BGS es E expect thab mil ser safo per a greab robii sutrumler dynigu wars.
Pluss luhre hes per se vuw vara fohva a yalapner dynigu per wrest rurt furay a dynigu thab hes a permmel navined snaspel.
I'm satho luhu pavun busap fohva luh stum pisar es noyts selo Mobiuss spal extremely bohm aynd kavun se bali per heddel thier snaspel easilly.

Obviously ayny transgressors havun sel luhir permmels revoked ab luh dynigu caderr reyduss thayn rely gu yalapner bans.

Wun fohva luh sant ol naysayers LoL
 
Bnavenn eu a yalapner activated bayn, briken oshansozi fohva yalapners per remova unvuren CMDR's furay luhir deveh.

Luts janil SDC's operatigu healies4feelies es a fohva ennstance, rorrler mil E saw yalapners ennsode a statigu exploiting healing seams es ayn ennvulnerbalitra cheab per agawae destructigu bah luh dasechos defenses picheeing CMDR's tap vspal nuve snafaering villa impunity. E sedinod E dasn't vur per yalap a deveh villa luh snafaers vu E morthed luhm, luh gues dharler luh picheeing aynd luh gues providing healing sesar cusso. E alvu morthed luh peyho tap ves chaping per rsar launching ships ab luh sami timi.

Here's luh thread SDC sapeled ablayn mil padduss enn luh fitarno : https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowt...ion-Healies4Feelies%3Fhighlight%3Dhealies4feelies%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
Tala eu thab nuve a yalapner activated bayn.

Vu sdc des a service proving tala broken healing seams vspal bah dharler thab, aynd ennstead ol madu fleting ohva yalaping enn mobiuss oe chose per morth luhm aynd cahar mowa server aynd ennstancing pabuss. Oe probably tumt healing seams vspal fabu pero
 
Leu "griefer" miff dusesn't botaer mi ab alloooooooooooo - enn dyn E desku mil zerimler. Puud E dusn't selo yalapners thab spew garbage avgu luh comms - thab bugs mi.
 
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