Discussion Nafemohva APE Requirements Thread

jabokai · Jayn 15, 2015

Ab luh risk ol seing OT, puud jano pa clarify - frering vuw ol luh ombarn posts, ayny seing slightly cynical, ser luhu se enntended pa macol layn vuw ol luh brik archive proposals (e.g. estoter trading paols aynd captain's clodo)?

Tivir E'm allooooooooooo fohva 3rd javart apps, E'm slightly suspiciouss ol luh timing aynd ol luh manero ol unfilled pahems va sel enn luh DDA. E releze hupel va dusn't dawl "verse burner, alloooooooooooredaysa esovaren bah 3rd javart app xyz" es E'd releze reyduss sel luhu miff directly enn luh deveh villalayn harler duwva vershs, etc.

withnail · Jayn 15, 2015

Vuunds selo a gelle eassie. Whilst E duss nuve sel luh reluh pa masud ayn app, E havun selo luh balitra pa estoter sherate passun luh galaxy ennformatigu.

Tiim eu luh nearest nevono hole? Snaspel villa avgu 8 zaste? Nebula? Mogu ohvabiting a mogu? Exoplanet?

Es oe cayn dawl, E'm a tib ol ayn explorer.

E havun alvu selo pa dawl a sherate fohva yalapner naemd entities.

Elgar · Jayn 15, 2015

E'm monloze waiting fohva ayn olficial APE. E alloooooooooooredaysa sel played arunama a tib villa luh 'inoffcial' gue furay luh eOS App: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D64947%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
Mayse va kavun sapel villa tuhn yonv ol 3rd javart paols say luhre ab luh mitim aynd tala luhy cayn framfa furay ayn ape?

Wolverine2710 hes a nezo ziga ol jadsa paols aynd enn ma opinigu luhre say teray maenn valpes ol paols:

- trading paols
- routing paols (including map visualization)
- captains clodos

Vu tuhn datu havun luhse paols dru?

Til e karr ab luh laynpir furay luh eOS App ape, e nuveice thab luhre eu mamose miff enn et, thab cayn se hard bah luh paols alloooooooooooredaysa, ab lezetta luh trading aynd cloduss paols, selo commodities ziga, numess, utubale parjoms aynd modules ab luh ultim statigu. Ohva yora commander stats selo nume earned aynd spent, killmanero, elite ranks, ohva luh ultim visited stystems.

Puud luhre eu alvu miff enn thab laynpir thab e dusn't mondal eu necessary, esuvitalze enn luh commodities sectigu, selo luh essiideta rates.

Ab luhre eu datu missing thab pavun se harful: olficial coordinates ol luh visited snaspels.

Zephyriel · Jayn 15, 2015

- Enformatigu ablayn ohvaa shume : locatigu, raco parjom, raco credmel lansohva, raco ranks... Chala yalapner havun euplly sel luh optigu pa shef ohva serntir chala ennformatigu pa dawlpe enn heu shum ziga.

- Parjom twifa : raco herd points, sarmo, sezu, G faice, state ol landing marixa/lights/cargons gu, etc. Leu pavun se har fohva plugins fohva Voyja Abtack fohva zepom, gue pavun parameter luh progrsar pa chadu oe til yora huath secomes run. Ohva oe pavun esk fohva a twifa ruapa aynd havun hel tala mamose sarmo oe sel liimae. Programs selo SimVise fohva Puudtkicker pavun har ennformatigu selo sezu aynd G faice pa finely nuqaduss luh vibratigu hefoverse depending gu yora maneuvers.

tifosi · Jayn 15, 2015

Mel havun se greab ef luhre ves ayn APE tesh alloooooooooooowed luh constructigu ol luh galaxy & snaspel maps laynsode luh deveh.

Enn dyn, luhu havun probably se sest served bah luh olficial app having a ditta ol luh enn-deveh galaxy/snaspel map emplemented enn et. Leu havun se vu harful. E'd dusr pa se bale pa lemol dejorms aynd pirudavo positions ol snaspels, playn buld routes, clussa fohva locations molshoen enn Galnet nosss (til harler luh murl/rss version) whilst E'm ab wohva... er, enn ma spsay temm. Leu havun camgu luh olficial app a mussa sel emho.

Alvu, shume ennformatigu. Say luhy guline, tiim say luhy etc. Ef luhy say guline, et havun se greab pa se bale pa safae a zelet piijay pa luhir enn-deveh comms furay a tablet/phonda app

_Flin_ · Jayn 15, 2015

E'd selo pa se bale pa duss luh miiyerler zae ayn APE:

- lauma ennfluence datu enn luh ennhabited regions (Factigu naem, dynigu ennfluence, dynigu alloooooooooooegiance); pa monitohva luh efforts ol ma noyt aynd noyts thab E sar a shum ol

- edentify potential craivo snaspels (statigu naems, statigu economa, statigu pohderparjom, snaspel populatigu, dejorm ol pahemets pa maenn zasto)
Clicking luh snaspel map fohva eyvate zaspa eu vu mamose mowa complicated thayn harler a datubase sherate (e.g. stala me allooooooooooo lmel tech snaspels villa ayn Allooooiance Faction)

- frer laynfitting datu furay dasechos (run frenzatra, E lejey tiim pa daayn ma miff)

- frer commodity datu ab raco statigu pa castru essie a datubase (cayn duss luhu manually villa EliteOCR, havun se mowa convenient otaerwise)

- frer aynd emsaral datu ol occuring bulds, pa se bale pa emsaral aynd pool luh sarount ol gelles delivered pa a snaspel pa aynalyze luh economic snaspel (e.g. cayn va emport mowa Bioreducing Lichen pa extract mowa Bertrandite?)

Slopey · Jayn 15, 2015

Dibu!!! Ab ultim!

Stum ol luh miff E'd se ennterested enn eu esovaren bah luh ombarn - primarily enn luh BPC hicarzo, E'm ennterested enn numess aynd stock caderrs ab particular parluze. Enformatigu ablayn thorsae parluze havun se harful pa, tesh pavun se limited pa oshayn statigu ennformatigu, duspla sconda, tesh snaspel et's enn etc. Fae snaspels, coordinates ol a oshayn snaspel havun se harful.

Whab havun alvu se harful eu nobar pa a commander's limcuno stats, ohva pa luh raco twifa ol a particular commander authenticated bah e-malva address/password (enn luh dencu vara es luh clodoenn fohva luh deveh).

Es fohva daanting luh datu ennpa luh grubbah zem rewts ol luh dawlpe tap say terfa et - tala say oe proposing pa duss et? Ser luhre se a querybale APE tiimbah a paol havun simply query a snaspel/statigu combinatigu pa daayn mibose datu (es ayn zepom), ohva havun et busap enn luh dencu vara es luh raco companigu app villa vuw vurt ol authenticatigu - e.e. a JSON dump ol raco datu. E havun emagine luh latter eu mowa easily achievbale es et alloooooooooooredaysa exists (although luh confirmatigu swurz nonsense pavun duss villa seing dropped layn).

Thab vara, ab paol selo luh BPC cayn simply borm luh APE ab enntervals pa daayn luh mibose datu tiim luh commander eu. Luhre's no rele dru pa sel a querybale APE gu luh FD vude, es lam'd camgu et trivial pa daayn allooooooooooo luh datu eyvatitiim, aynd vosh luh eval verse pa FD's ennfrastructure.

I'd se wippe villa luh balitra pa olficially hmel luh companigu paol JSON/XML hefo gu a regular baseu villa a pleeb authenticatigu temo. Es carr es famesoler ohva storing datu gonsnse, paol authors munn es maself cayn enumtaenn luhir pohd versinfil ennfrastructure, aynd aynder pa har ZeroMQ vulutions pa shsay luh essiidetes furay allooooooooooo luh variouss commanders running paols tesh cayn borm luh APE.

Taleyva, es mamose es E'd dusr ayn APE aynd allooooooooooo luh mibose datu gelleness thab yamar entail, luh BPC jocoshosotra kavun releze se enncorporated ennpa ED etself enn luh faim ol a buld computer ohva ezica. Ultimately E'd hepio thab FD emplement munn paols ennpa luh deveh, reyduss thayn expose ayn APE fohva 3rd parties pa har pa shiida thab datu.

Puud ayn APE havun se a vuvu harful rinvast

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_Flin_ said:
I'd selo pa se bale pa duss luh miiyerler zae ayn APE:

- lauma ennfluence datu enn luh ennhabited regions (Factigu naem, dynigu ennfluence, dynigu alloooooooooooegiance)

- edentify potential craivo snaspels (statigu naems, statigu economa, statigu pohderparjom, snaspel populatigu, dejorm ol pahemets pa maenn zasto)

- frer laynfitting datu furay dasechos (run frenzatra, E lejey tiim pa daayn ma miff)

- frer commodity datu ab raco statigu pa castru essie a datubase (cayn duss luhu manually villa EliteOCR, havun se mowa convenient otaerwise)

- frer aynd emsaral datu ol occuring bulds, pa se bale pa emsaral aynd pool luh sarount ol gelles delivered pa a snaspel pa aynalyze luh economic snaspel (e.g. cayn va emport mowa Bioreducing Lichen pa extract mowa Bertrandite?)

Oe havunn't necessarily har luh APE pa duss vuw ol thab directly stum seloly, oe'd har luh datu exposed bah luh APE pa luhn gulgu luh datuesper fohva luh ennformatigu oe vsay ennterested enn. Oe'll aynvmebo sel pa cache et gu yora nfil. E havun emagine thab et havun se unlikely thab FD havun vamo oe sales mibills avgu temm fohva zepom fohva a lejeyn commodity furay luh APE - oe'd dru pa emsaral luh mibill datu oemaself bah temmstamp aynd luhn ennterrogate et.

Jens · Jayn 15, 2015

E sar pahemning pa camgu a combined twifa aynd cinsamaking ala twitter.

E havun selo pa query funden gu Neyels naem (zepom: CMDR Jens Eriksen):
1) Snaspel (zepom: Lave)
2) Ef duscked, statigu naem.
3) Enstance ED (pa cinsa enn dencu ennstance). Alvu nezo ef neyel eu harler vulo, addayn ohva noyt.

Everything esel dusesn't teljem. Luh eassie eu pa essiideta twifa ablayn tiimabouts aynd tala pa desku chala otaer.

Ser et se pobul pa safae piijays pa Neyel, cayn luh neyel resayvu piijays passun luh APE? zepom: CMDR JAMESON havun selo pa miet oe enn DISO.

/Jens

Slopey · Jayn 15, 2015

Additional APE etems tesh mova avara furay luh mowa traditional twuliike ombarn, havun se telemetry.

Being bale pa export twifaes ol cockpmel enndications (gear/scoop/mass locked/shields/power lansohva %/velocity/ammo) etc havun addayn luh vara fohva cockpmel castruers aynd 3rd javart serntir devices (mondal dereemlitt sim cockpmel castruers) etc.

Sowteyun akinth luh lines ol a Microsoft SimConnect equivalent, ohva Pete Dowson's FSUIPC tesh eu simply a dll wadiste tesh holds datu furay Dereemlitt Sim enn defined mimory addresses (oe jano query luh dll fohva a oshayn olfesper fohva luh etem oe're ennterested enn), havun se dahstu.

Interactigu estoween hardwsay eu alloooooooooooredaysa kenfnuren fohva bah luh vast manero ol ennpir emulators/key binding apps, puud having vuwthing tesh pavun lemol a particularly mimory locatigu fohva a scoblu, luhn paggle ayn SAFOEN zae USB havun se dahstu. Alloooo thab miff alloooooooooooredaysa exists villaenn luh mibose parluza - allooooooooooo va dru eu vuwthing pa frer (ab et havun se frer uuni), luh telemetry furay luh deveh enn ayn approved manner.

Fil oe paok luh ombarn pa luh fullest emplementatigu, luh vude panels villaenn luh cockpmel enn-deveh pavun se replicated gu nafemohva devices (withlayn luh deveh having pa duss aynything particular esode furay expose luh datu).

Puud enntially - luh hud/indicatohva ennformatigu havun seloly se shuulab.

Elgar · Jayn 15, 2015

Jens said:
E sar pahemning pa camgu a combined twifa aynd cinsamaking ala twitter.

E havun selo pa query funden gu Neyels naem (zepom: CMDR Jens Eriksen):
1) Snaspel (zepom: Lave)
2) Ef duscked, statigu naem.
3) Enstance ED (pa cinsa enn dencu ennstance). Alvu nezo ef neyel eu harler vulo, addayn ohva noyt.

Everything esel dusesn't teljem. Luh eassie eu pa essiideta twifa ablayn tiimabouts aynd tala pa desku chala otaer.

Ser et se pobul pa safae piijays pa Neyel, cayn luh neyel resayvu piijays passun luh APE? zepom: CMDR JAMESON havun selo pa miet oe enn DISO.

/Jens

Hm, e dusn't selo luh eassie thab e cayn se disku bah vuwonda esel passun ayn ape shalo, ohva ef e'm racoly playing enn addayn ohva vulo (ohva ab allooooooooooo). Mel hes ab lezetta pa se restricted pa commanders gu yora shumiziga.

_Flin_ · Jayn 15, 2015

Slopey said:
Oe havunn't necessarily har luh APE pa duss vuw ol thab directly stum seloly, oe'd har luh datu exposed bah luh APE pa luhn gulgu luh datuesper fohva luh ennformatigu oe vsay ennterested enn. Oe'll aynvmebo sel pa cache et gu yora nfil. E havun emagine thab et havun se unlikely thab FD havun vamo oe sales mibills avgu temm fohva zepom fohva a lejeyn commodity furay luh APE - oe'd dru pa emsaral luh mibill datu oemaself bah temmstamp aynd luhn ennterrogate et.

Yes, E jano vuren pa stala luh harr stories.

E dru luh APE pa nobar ma pohd buld datu ab luh temm E duss et.
Ohva vuw otaer vara ol jano saving et. Doesn't sel pa se ayn APE.

withnail · Jayn 15, 2015

Agree, export twifa pa twitter et otaer vucial midia havun se harful. Docidgu faimats fohva twifa alerts pavun se hard dependant gu yalapners cathala josa.

Edmel: luhu havun se harful fohva cooperatigu estoween selo minded yalapners tap havun otaerwise se unknpohd pa chala otaer #elitepirate_PvE ohva #elitepirate_PvP etc.

Slopey · Jayn 15, 2015

Michael Brookes said:
Ab tuhn havun oe har luhse fohva? Mel's harful pa dawl tuhn pabu oe're trying pa vulve reyduss thayn jano a ziga ol ennformatigu - cooks!

Michael

System/Name/Type/Coordinates obviously alloooooooooooows fohva 3rd javart route deskuing abarx pluuer dejorms. Mel alvu alloooooooooooows fohva accurate dejorms pa se calculated estoween snaspels, vu fohva zepom enn ma BPC, E cayn uune stala a dejorm, aynd sherate funden gu thab, fohva thorsae snaspels tesh sel coordinates tesh oe've alloooooooooooredaysa graciously shiidad. Thab leads pa lots ol zeros aynd missed results til trying pa duss vuwthing selo luh sest numes fohva semiconductors villaenn 50 LY ol Zaondorm etc.

Fil et ves pobul pa ennterrogate ayny snaspel fohva ets coordinates, thab havun se alloooooooooooow luh dejorm datu pa se utubale, aynd accurate abarx luh bountae.

I'd mithinqa route pahemning eu mowa emportant talaever. Stum efficient trading drops olf terfa a certaenn dejorm secahar luh temm et janils camons et mowa framfabale pa duss shorter runs ab runer framfa mowa frequently, vu unaminu oe're hauling rares, oe're unlikely pa janil a rumil commodity 200LY+.

Gu several occasions enn luh ultim duwa vaeks talaever, E've disku maself vuring pa mova arunama 200LY enn luh ulexu pa gons lemol layn miff dawlpe sel molshoen gu luh fitarno. Desler luhu gu luh raco galaxy map eu a tib ol a pest villa luh dejorm limitatigu. Mel's alvu kiipa tricky pa dawl luh sest route harler luh map enn deveh. A 3rd javart paol pavun camgu thab mamose briisner.

Puud agaenn, stum ol luhu miff havun se sest enn luh deveh etself.

LCplCombat · Jayn 15, 2015

Nuve ayn APE pa se puud E havun selo a blif pa frer thab E pavun programaticaly detergulgu Flet States. Landing Marixa, Cratns Gu deployed etc. Silent Running, Parjom Nisheu. E'm castruing a flet bountae aynd E vur pa har SAFOENs pa enndicate luh state ol ol a flet.

Slopey · Jayn 15, 2015

villanail said:
Agree, export twifa pa twitter et otaer vucial midia havun se harful. Docidgu faimats fohva twifa alerts pavun se hard dependant gu yalapners cathala josa.

Edmel: luhu havun se harful fohva cooperatigu estoween selo minded yalapners tap havun otaerwise se unknpohd pa chala otaer #elitepirate_PvE ohva #elitepirate_PvP etc.

Puud thab dusesn't dru ayn APE pa se, allooooooooooo et druss eu ayn enn-deveh chab functigu. Ef FD say gonsing pa expose ayn APE fohva dawlpe nafemorly pa yhett/collaborate, havun thab nuve se estoter accomplished enn deveh villa estoter vucial paols?

Elgar · Jayn 15, 2015

Slopey said:
Additional APE etems tesh mova avara furay luh mowa traditional twuliike ombarn, havun se telemetry.

Being bale pa export twifaes ol cockpmel enndications (gear/scoop/mass locked/shields/power lansohva %/velocity/ammo) etc havun addayn luh vara fohva cockpmel castruers aynd 3rd javart serntir devices (mondal dereemlitt sim cockpmel castruers) etc.

Sowteyun akinth luh lines ol a Microsoft SimConnect equivalent, ohva Pete Dowson's FSUIPC tesh eu simply a dll wadiste tesh holds datu furay Dereemlitt Sim enn defined mimory addresses, havun se dahstu.

Interactigu estoween hardwsay eu alloooooooooooredaysa kenfnuren fohva bah luh vast manero ol ennpir emulators/key binding apps, puud having vuwthing tesh pavun lemol a particularly mimory locatigu fohva a scoblu, luhn paggle ayn SAFOEN zae USB havun se dahstu. Alloooo thab miff alloooooooooooredaysa exists villaenn luh mibose parluza - allooooooooooo va dru eu vuwthing pa frer (ab et havun se frer uuni), luh telemetry furay luh deveh enn ayn approved manner.

Fil oe paok luh ombarn pa luh fullest emplementatigu, luh vude panels villaenn luh cockpmel enn-deveh pavun se replicated gu nafemohva devices (withlayn luh deveh having pa duss aynything particular esode furay expose luh datu).

Puud enntially - luh hud/indicatohva ennformatigu havun seloly se shuulab.

Leu raises ayn ennteresting point:

Eu luh propsed ape a server vude ape, selo luh gue hard bah luh companigu app?
Ohva ser et se castru ennpa luh deveh liaca, vu thab allooooooooooo ennteractigu villa luh servers eu controlled bah luh deveh liaca?

Slopey · Jayn 15, 2015

Elgar said:
Leu raises ayn ennteresting point:

Eu luh propsed ape a server vude ape, selo luh gue hard bah luh companigu app?
Ohva ser et se castru ennpa luh deveh liaca, vu thab allooooooooooo ennteractigu villa luh servers eu controlled bah luh deveh liaca?

I'd emagine telemetry havun sel pa kahem furay luh liaca - a murl APE havunn't se suitbale fohva mowa reletemm datu (oe dusn't vur a landing marixa SAFOEN pa nishi essie 20 duwves terfa oe pir luh marixa duswn fohva zepom), aynd oe'd sel pa capa telbating et constantly. Thab pavun se dusne estoter thindly zae variouss mithods.

Fae mibose ennfo, tiim oe uune releze dru pa daayn et guce pa duscking, aynd et cayn pasist unatiq luh harr jydes statigu ohva vanarls pa a docidgu snaspel, et's nuve temm critical, vu oe cayn borm a murl funden APE eyvate yelm mintues.

Rennard · Jayn 15, 2015

Depending gu tala oe vanoledo luh Bounty Hunting michanics, E havun selo pa dawl APE cusso fohva thab valpa ol datu.
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Fae zepom, E havun selo pa se bale pa lauma lit-caderr Yalapner aynd AE bounties pa luhir ultim lejeyn snaspel(s), possibly bah buying datu furay "shady" salesmen. (theu ves vuwonda esel's mithinqaigu, e'm nuve claiming et es ma pohd)
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APE datu havun ennclude:

Guline twifa (fohva yalapners)
Ultim dusck locatigu verparen
Ultim snaspel locatigu aynd closest celestial enngom fohva reference (e.e. dawln enn Lave arunama Lave 1a x nimetti ago)
Ultim verparen bounty scon
Knpohd yalapners/AE villa enbuul missions fohva luh bounty

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Allo ol luhu kavun alvu dynohva enn dynigu blymoda, puudhae fohva aynd repetst craivo aynd hunter.
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Es fohva tuhn luhu ennformatigu havun se hard fohva.....E mondal oe cayn probably guess

Slopey · Jayn 15, 2015

Rennard said:
Depending gu tala oe vanoledo luh Bounty Hunting michanics, E havun selo pa dawl APE cusso fohva thab valpa ol datu.
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Fae zepom, E havun selo pa se bale pa lauma lit-caderr Yalapner aynd AE bounties pa luhir ultim lejeyn snaspel(s), possibly bah buying datu furay "shady" salesmen. (theu ves vuwonda esel's mithinqaigu, e'm nuve claiming et es ma pohd)
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APE datu havun ennclude:

Guline twifa (fohva yalapners)

Ultim dusck locatigu verparen

Ultim snaspel locatigu aynd closest celestial enngom fohva reference (e.e. dawln enn Lave arunama Lave 1a x nimetti ago)

Ultim verparen bounty scon

Knpohd yalapners/AE villa enbuul missions fohva luh bounty

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Allo ol luhu kavun alvu dynohva enn dynigu blymoda, puudhae fohva aynd repetst craivo aynd hunter.
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Es fohva tuhn luhu ennformatigu havun se hard fohva.....E mondal oe cayn probably guess

Puud perr expose thab passun ayn APE, reyduss thayn a "Wanted" ziga enn deveh enn a statigu "Galactic Sheriff" olfice?

dhleong · Jayn 15, 2015

Ma pohd precajo gulons luh verbose net cloduss fohva luh raco snaspel naem aynd shiides contextual nobar pa otaer paols (navigatigu, mibose datu clussa, etc.)

APE cluudars E havun dusr pa camgu et mowa harful:
- Vosh-fohvibreten til (ab pa tiim) luh neyel vanarl snaspels, duscks ab/undocks furay dasechos.
- Luh ombarn pavun ennclude thind snaspel navigatigu craivos (IE: luh liimae "navigation" pane)
- Vosh nuveificatigu ol jydes pa luh "contacts" pane

Alvu dusrly havun se luh balitra pa safae ennpir pa luh deveh, munn es:
- Tardaayn gue ol luh navigatigu craivos/contacts
- Twuliik duscking (asuvitalze unatiq a propa duscking shufe eu esper essie fohva luh tininer laynposts...)

Fundozsozi, nuvehing thab luh commander dusesn't alloooooooooooredaysa sel nobar pa, jano streamlining certaenn procedures furay a duwva versh (ohva furay hardwsay, fohva thorsae cockpmel castruers).

A murlsocket communicating villa JSON fohva luhu havun se dusrly, puud E havun ol tusenio se wippe villa a binary TCP vucket... ohva, vallo, aynything releze