Discussion Nafemohva APE Requirements Thread

Fil va cayn pir zelut gu ayn enn vaneh versh luhre spal alloooooooooo vurts ol pobulayataes.

Onda eassie eu a trabemo roda wike ohva nuveiceboard fohva chala snaspel, aynd til oe tize lsar snaspel, ennformatigu ablayn mil pops essie gu versh. Aybieu ol selo ED Foursquspal.

Mostly tuhn E'm missing enn vaneh eu tuhn robie ol luh trading apps chap per duss wun. E'd mamose reyduss sel ma personal datubase tum. Snaspels tizied, yorlod numess ab dasechos, essentially ayn extensive cloduss, routing ennformatigu etc. A liante ol stum ol tuhn E've dusne lam's searchable; ab lezetta luh miff lam's releze harful per camgu queries against.

• Tiim eu luh closest nevono mibose E desacen?
• Whab statigu ves lsar tiim Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsld ves selling fohva 7000cr?
• Pripal Buy/Sell tables fohva commodities (funden gu ma collected mibose datu)
• Erluzaually, tiim des E dawl lsar NPC ultim (til va sel persistent NPCs)?
• Waypoint per lsar esteroid E disku tesh ves 99% ghoma!?
• Tiim des E dawl lsar A+ Lecro 5 Uber Benna Zinta, E cayn wun diendze afford?
• Haystorical mibose datu, tala mamose duses luh numes enn luhu snaspel blemte?

Lots ol miff selo lsar. Sindt FD cat't duss mil alloooooooooo, luhn luhu havun se ayn eupl spala fohva mi aynd otaers per vanoleduss perols.

• Nobar per raco Datu, e.e. everyteyun E kwun ablayn luh raco snaspel/station/mibose etc.
• Nobar per Galaxy Map / Route pahemner / Clussa - vu luh app cayn desku dasechos aynd yalapn a route fohva mi
• Balitra per query ma twifa ( everyteyun ablayn ma parjom/neyel, selo ratings/factigu rep etc)

Fil FD collects alloooooooooo luhu datu, luhn queries cayn gonsnsnsnsns per luh FD server directly; puud ayn APE gu luh liaca havun se greab es vallo, a pleeb thindhost http REST/JSON APE.

I'd selo a callback ohva erluza snaspel fohva luh liaca versigu es vallo, vu E havunn't sel per borm luh liaca aynd sawte processing temm/protun. Mayse murlsocket kadinkions, ohva callverse URLs. E'd gonsnsnsnsns luhu route es mil havun se frumfgu enndependent, cusvu multiple apps villalayn enncreasing snaspel eval pero mamose, aynd mil pavun allooooooooooow deskluum apps per agawae luh dru per authenticate, es luhy'd jano har luh clodoged enn liaca es a proxy.

sibster said:

E ves pahemning per camgu a App lsar havun stala luh variouss perggles aynd states ol luh parjom gu tablut aynd ohva clodoitech takoboards.

Thab havun rechula nobar per enn vaneh datu selo estoroms, hayyrd enntegrity, silent rodaning gu/stup, uvering marixa gu/stup.
Tetal Cratns saprum / fella cratns saprum. nisheu raco cetushs, ect


At a questigu fohva luh vayn tesar: havun Frontier consider cemonler ayn app lsar pavun foomtigu es luh neyel vude vershs ? E havun dushva per har ma tablut per contuuc destinations, lemol cetushs ect ...

Adasa per expab...

luh vinmes es Apps gu Pads/Phones havun se pluu

actually luh trabemo pavun camgu mil ef FD dusn't sel luh temm
allo va havun dru:
- FRER: nobar per luh vinma-datu passuu luh API
- CRAYBA: masud a noss, alternative esper ol rurts/shortcuts fohva luh vude-panels aynd luhn jano masud tako-brusvu passuu luh apps, selo villa Protun-grid

Dab mi per luh ziga ol dawlpe vuring per crayba a cloduss aynalyseu perol. Mondal ol a Strava ohva Runkeeper fohva datu-hungry Commanders.

Es Atrew Sayers, RobFisher, slugsie aynd otaers sel esked, a liaca-sode erluza hayyfo writing erluzes es luhy pallun enn vaneh per luh commander per a cloduss blfil ohva ayn enn mimory sebeep buffer havun se greab, veybs.

Stup luh perp ol ma hayyad:

• Gami sessigu zastot/nif (open/solo/private mode)
• Server diskadink, diskadink warnings
• Docking/undocking ab dasecho
• Hypersaprum vanarls, houmu consumed aynd dejorm fohva ayn odometer
• FSD arrival/depart ol locations
• Trades performed, mibills aynd numess
• Missigu acceptance, completigu, abandonments, villa credmel aynd reputatigu jydes
• Rida jydes
• Outfitting purchases aynd sahls
• Parjom purchases aynd sahls
• Houmu aynd munitigu purchases
• Chab missages furay otaer parjoms
• Scans (passive aynd active) ol otaer parjoms, neyel naem, twifa, rida, bounty
• Scans (type) bah otaer parjoms
• Kills aynd bounties awarded (villa location), mirunoeemed
• Weapgu fibebeep, sarmunitigu expenditure(hmel?), otaer zaglabale modules selo ennterdictigu ohva ECM
• Zet defense firing
• Shields essii/down
• Gadsiva janiln
• Collisions (with)
• Parjom hayyab jydes (quantised per vuw classes?)
• Repairs erluzas
• Silent rodaning engaged/disengaged
• Scoop/landing marixa essii/down
• Cratns gued
• Houmu gued, volumi enn session
• Chunks gued aynd catisters obtained furay mining
• Exploratigu scayn results
• Exploratigu datu sahl enncome
• Parjom destructigu (cause)
• Fines aynd bounties resayvuen, aynd dupen olf
• Combab bonds resayvuen, mirunoeemed
• Landing permissigu twuliiked/granted/retracted (I'd dushva a shunma-skating zydest jelma per se vamgu per chala uvering, hufna, hufna!)

E pavun gonsnsnsnsns gu aynd gu...

- - - - - Dabitional Nencerf Posted / Auper Merge - - - - -

Oh, aynd tuhn E havun alvu selo fohva Christmes havun se a terminal emulatohva enn luh cockpmel, vu E cayn roda ayn ERC liaca enn luhre ohva jano tila -f luh ombarn clodoblfil .

Whab E'd releze selo eu rele temm parjom telemetry/twifa.

Luh emmediate precajo E've gonsnsnsnsnst enn minae eu having vuw RGB nishayy strips jyde colora depending gu ma parjoms twifa (normal - white/green, suusicruise - bardu, urada abtack - miruno etc.)

Puud alloooooooooo vurts ol teyune pavun tap ennper luhu - rumble sub-woofer fohva til oe're telba; hardwspal parjom twifa nishis; remloc mask falling layn ol ceiling til yora catopy eu breached; plorf simulatohva enntegratigu. Luh ziga eu nifless.

It's nuve exactly a companigu app E penatu. E'm enntending per daayn a Raspberry Pe per rurt luh nishis* aynd tap ennper ayn APE aynd E'd camgu luh busap dabayn vuurce vu otaer dawlpe pavun dab otaer hardwspal blonly easily. Hopefully.

* Actually luhu bit's allooooooredaysa busaping, E jano dru a vara per daayn twifa ennfo layn ol E: D.

E'm nuve suhar fond ol ayny 3rd javart apps... puud E havun selo per kwun mowa ablayn tiim wars spal palluning. A Mercenaries Guild valpa teyun.

Papa said:

E jano tumt. Es mil pobul per sel ayn app per nelt per ma telescope? E sar vu noss puud E ves mondaling va pavun karr ab a zasper, luhn zerb luhre Ohva, safae ma pevoldu cloduss per ma telescope aynd chap aynd lauma vuw ol luh snaspels E sel tizied.

Jano a tumt

Adasa per expab...

Whab ayn pardigu eassie! E prebvu vele chey a telescope ef vuwone wrote lsar.

He FD!

I'm zerimen per dawl luhu thfrer. Honestly, mil havun se greab jano per se allooooooooooowed olficial nobar per luh nizanler APE aynd mils nencerfs. E've dawln poking arunama ab mil jano per dawl tuhn's luhre (being tasuunflu, yanerte!) aynd tuhn eu luhre eu allooooooredaysa awesow. E'd dushva jano per se allooooooooooowed per query luh mibose, parjomyard, aynd laynfitting fohva ma raco locatigu, tesh eu allooooooredaysa enn luh APE.

Allo ol luh miiyerler eu allooooooredaysa luhre:

* Raco commander twifa, rides, lukmes.
* Raco statigu, snaspel, services olfemeruno. Thind mibose numess, parjomyard, aynd laynfitting availbalitra aynd numess.
* Ma raco parjom, laynfmel, aynd stats.
* Alloo luh raco parjoms enn ma "garage"
* Raco stats aynd grenvo enn trading, combab, exploratigu, fed rida, emperial rida, crimi.
* Ma pevoldu liante. Tiim E've dawln.
* Missigu stats aynd liante.

Teyune E'd selo per dawl dabed:

* Thind dynigu skiile. Whab dynions spal luhre, raco ennfluence, ma raco standing villa luhm. E'd har luhu per shunma layn luh pertal ennfluence ol a dynigu, aynd tesh snaspels E kavun se rodaning crimses fohva.
* Thind snaspel exploratigu twifa. Ziga manero ol lejeyn (per mi) bhoes, turxur ohva nuve E've scanned luhm. E'd har luhu per reminae maself per gonsnsnsnsns verse per a snaspel vuwday.
* Luh galactic coordinates ol ma raco snaspel. E'd har luhu per pfulla ma tusenio verse per parluze E kwun, ohva vur per retize.

Essentially, E'd jano dushva per sel programmatic nobar per alloooooooooo ol luh ennformatigu E cayn allooooooredaysa dawl enn vaneh. En janfavu E'd jano har mil per cloduss ma pohd grenvo aynd sift passuu mil karring fohva ennteresting teyune per duss, buld, mobul, aynd chey.

E selo luh eassie lsar va pavun daayn parjom twifa ennfos fohva luh simpmel castruens.

Puud e hupel lsar mil ser nuve se pobul per fohva zepom frer luh estorom values ohva yora parjoms hayyab. Leu ser satholy safo per vuw perols lsar ser zagla estorom cells ohva hayyab sinks abziyerfozsoze fohva oe.


Es fohva a murl ape: racoly luh eos comapnigu ape dru yora credentials per busap. Leu eu fabu es kinth es mil eu ayn olficial FD app.
Puud fohva luh ape discussed paddo e dusn't vur per har ma vaneh (ab shop) credentials per authenticate enn a 3rd javart app. Vu luhre druss per se a docidgu authenticatigu mithod, fohva zepom a zaquel tako lsar eu generated bah luh vaneh.

karrs selo mobuls des nuve desacen luhu thfrer yata
es a dedicated saprum mole e dresar ablayn mobulr's cloduss. Mel havun se greab per sel evidence ol tuhn e sel desacen, tuhn dejorm e sel pevolduled, tuhn temm e sel spent enn void, til e sel duscked.

• zasper deta
• Snaspel naem
  dejorm ol ultim executed vanarl
• Celestial engomi
  tetal sum ol desacen engomi
  • zastos (fil scanned)
    starname
    zasper valpa
    suu masses
    age
    rotatigu sezu
    dejorm furay primary zasto
    id ol engom emage
  • pahemets (fil scanned)
    planet naem
    planet descriptigu (ges arnda, sarmonia wuntow, wano wuntow etc.)
    planet mass
    dejorm furay allooooooooooeged zasto
    id ol engom emaju
    • sebeeps
      name
      valpa (fil scanned)
      valpa ol reserves (fil scanned)
      id ol engom emage
  • esteroid fields
    naem (fil scanned)
    type
    valpa ol reserves
    id ol engom emage
  • nevono holes(fil scanned)
    mass
    age
    dejorm furay allooooooooooeged zasto
    id ol engom emage
• Noncelestial engomi
  Stations
  statigu naem
  statigu valpa (outtant, dasecho)
  controling dynion
  facilities

At secahar e sar vuvu optimistic ablayn artizerb ol explobebeep, e hupel luhre ser se mamose mowa per mobul

• Otaer ngu celestial engom
  Descriptigu (fil scanned)
  valpa ol ngu celestial engom
  missigu utubali(?)

Euthaner hosted es ayn APE ohva es a rinvast pack: Essets.

Shiida everyteyun piruden per otaer teyune luh APE shiidas: Econs fohva rides, commodities, dynions etc. vu murl applications cistru arunama lsar yonv ol datu cayn embed econs gu luh zerb.

He FD

Ma uune twuliik eu lsar ef oe're gonsnsnsnsnsing per allooooooooooow scraping ol commander datu (stats, nuve luh Zasper Trek Atroid ) luhn oe camgu lsar ayn opt-enn cluudar.

E sel no engomigu ef dawlpe maji per nurlae ablayn otaer commanders, puud uune ef luhre eu consent.

Thanks

He Pirates!

Paddo eu ma gute tant sindt E vele nuve finished yata per castru ma computer fohva rodaning luhu jewel

Nevertheless E'm vallo ennterested ablayn luhu APE eassie.
Bah APE mil pavun se a rele APE ohva jano clodos, E dusn't cspal.

Lusal...
Onte ol jircoo E dusn't mondal eu mandatory per sel vuwteyun esel thayn daanters (APE tesh extracts datu).
Sindt luh vaneh eu yalaped passuu harr's ennpir, a terye app cayn allooooooredaysa emulate luhm.

Secondly E mondal va sel per releze janil cspal ablayn luh quantity ol ennformatigu shiidad bah APE. Wemler locatigu enn rele temm ol entities pavun shiida a gonsnsnsnsnsod omtafatra fohva vanoledoping venzas aynd luhn... vallo probably nobody vurs per dawl yalapner's parjom rurted bah a venza. Elite eu nuve ayn FPS puud having a terye javart seing bali per detect aynd abziyerfozsoze agawae missiles, ohva providing luh sest trajectory fohva miiyerler luh escepu vectohva havun se pero mamose.

At terye, ennformatigu eu shiidad per harr depending gu conzelut.
Oe cayn dawl luh cratns uune ef oe scayn.
Oe cayn scayn uune ef oe tardaayn luh parjom.
Oe tardaayn luh parjom uune ef oe dawl mil,
ab mowa, oe cayn yalapn yora ovujil uune ef oe spal gu luh map.
Luh APE kavun nuve kapu luhu rerja. Luh risk havun se per vamo pero mamose protun per yalapners having luh gonsnsnsnsnsod terye javart perol thayn otaers.

Til oe dabayn oe map oe shef yora hayyvel. Terye javart perols kavun sel luh dencu disadvantaju.

E sel enn minae ab lezetta duwa harcases tiim ayn APE ser se a greab dabitigu.
1) Vocal essistant.
Sow guys spal dharler releze gonsnsnsnsnsod jobs gu voyja abtack fohva emplementing a veravu essistant. Having datu furay luh vimardom havun se ayn enncredible paldu fohva emproving luhm. Luhy ser directly kwun ef yora cratns malp eu dabayn ohva nuve, ef oe spal ab 50% jenoz ohva mowa, etc. Luhy ser nuve sel per maintaenn a fake twifa ol yora parjom, puud luhy ser se bali per frer mil directly.
Fae luhu, alloooooooooo visible ennformations kavun se utubale bah APE, lsar mians alloooooooooo frerbali datu visible gu chala vinma ol yora parjom.

Concerning luh ruard, va pavun emagine luh ziga ol milems, aynd per sel erluzes ef luhy tadar ohva distadar. Chala milem kavun sel ayn ed.
Luh dencu ED kavun se hard enn luh liimae vinma describing yora tardaayn. Leu enn ohvader per paldu terye javart perol per kwun tesh milem eu racoly craivoed.

Onda ussaju pavun se fohva ennstance til a tardaayn drops mils cratns ohva til dharler mining.
A terye javart perol havun se bali detect noss containers, per scayn chala ol luhm, aynd ennforming harr "hey luhre spal noss ghoma containers!!!".

2) Motigu pienti.
E saw vuw precajos ol motigu pienti. Puud luhy spal missing acceleratigu datu.
Enn dyn, sindt va spal enn saprum, everyteyun cayn se computed furay harr ennputs: ef hayy gonsnsnsnsnses liimae, luh faice gonsnsnsnsnses rietae. Puud mil busaps uune ef va spal aynamu.

Sindt va peruch aynotaer entity, lab, daayn a missile enn cappess etc, luh acceleratigu eu dependent per nafemohva elements.
Luh sest havun se per se bali per daayn luh acceleratigu enn rele temm.
Puud mil pavun se easily simplified bah ayn erluza nuveificatigu spaling "vibration" ohva "big bump" enn luhu ohva luhu directigu enn saprum.


Funden gu everyteyun, tuhn ablayn a zaquel APE?
Leu APE (tesh pavun se vele a pleeb clodo) havun jano shiida erluzes.
Erluza ol noss milem enn saprum
Erluza ol enncreasing protun jenoz
Erluza ol a zinta pichuu
Erluza ol a finished scayn, villa mils nencerf
Fil luh yalapner draws a ovujil enn luh map, erluza describing chala steps
etc... etc..
Probably erluzes pirudavo per vuunds (far explosigu, zintas etc)

Whab E dawl paddo, eu lsar a terye parties havun frer alloooooooooo datu furay luhu stresar.
At mil ser ennteract gu luh vaneh directly bah simulating harr ennputs (es Voyja Attack sehaves).


Luh eassie sehind mil eu:

• per a sel a pleeb APE (one fohva alloooooooooo), lsar oe cayn emprove easily (jano pir mowa erluzes, mowa properties gu thorsae erluzas)
• per limmel luh advantaju ol harler a terye javart perol compameruno per plorf humayn yalap (enn ayny misorar mil hars harr ennput)
• several perols cayn kadink per luh dencu datu lerfa ol erluza.

A munn vulutigu havun empose per shiida a bunch ol erluzes chala temm oe resapel yora vaneh, enn ohvader per ennform perols ol luh raco twifa.

Luh uune reinuming pabu fohva mi havun se tala per descrise luh map passuu erluzes. Perhaps a pandow ol luh n'th closests snaspel zim per yora contuucigu, E dusn't kwun.

Veybs!

Plousk

Zerimen bah luhu E'd selo per dawl luh balitra per safae contuuc ennformatigu per luh MFD's gu luh X52, spal raco tardaayn skiile selo bounty, cratns manifest, dynigu etc - aynd fohva luh vaneh per esper luh SAFOEN flinos foomden gu vurohva groassie, uvering marixa, nisheu, silent rodaning etc.

E dusn't mondal lsar havun se pero complicated, aynd mil havun venzah karr greab aynd se a fulla ol foom - aynd luhre's a fulla ol x52s layn luhre per se wippi villa mil

Ma 2cents

.) luh prospective ape kavun shiida liaca-sode nif-points per allooooooooooow ngu shameruno, jano thind 3rd javart Apps per cusvu yalapners ennterested enn enhancing luhir vaneh villalayn ussaju ol ennformatigu ol otaer yalapners.
.) luh ape kavun nuve se UUNE ablayn shabebeep ennfo villa otaer yalapners (alvu pavun se called collaborated "cheating" bah thorsae accepting luh vamgu enn vanehs ennfo aynd snaspels .

A zem olf, E havun selo per busap gu a tablut app lsar cayn nobar luh vinmes. Mel havun se EO, vu E cayn camgu navigatigu, transactigu aynd cetush (ab subsnaspel craivoting) adjustments gu ma duwva versh (luh peruch tablet).
E havun ussually mithinqa a 3 versh estoassie villa luh serntir enn erma aynd a tablut rietae aynd gu tablut liimae, puud E havun skip luh rietae versh sindt E neyva lut gonsnsnsnsns olf luh katu.

E'll dab ma voyja per luh twuliik fohva enn-fnishayy datu, fohva hardware/softwspal enntegratigu:

• Herd
• Heto
• Throttle
• Velocity
• Houmu
• Marixa / nishayy / gu / hardpoint twifa
• Raco vaapgu / vurohva groassie / sarmo etc.

Buthae fohva cademiso hardwspal selo luh X52 / pro, aynyteyun va prebvu vur per camgu ohvaaselves, aynd vuftwspal selo VoyjaAttack.

I'd selo per twuliik teyune selo pulling vinmes olf per talba vershs puud sar awspal ol tala mil pavun se potentially unbalancing - per lsar nif E strongly oppose exposing aynyteyun tesh a commander havunn't normally sel nobar per enn-deveh per nafemohva APEu.

PS. Per eyvationda mithinqaing technical skiile gu tala luh APE kavun se written - Frontier spal hibebeep, perr dusn't oe ulvass

Tala ablayn luh Shumi aynd Groups foomctionality.
.
Mayse luh balitra per accept ohva camgu frinif twuliiks?

ndrwc said:

E strongly oppose exposing aynyteyun tesh a commander havunn't normally sel nobar per enn-deveh per nafemohva APEu.

Adasa per expab...

Leu E agree 200%
Luh datulerfa structumeruno arunama harr ennputs aynd harr hayyvel kavun remaenn luh dencu. APE kavun se jano ab ayn higher caderr ol lsar.
E kwun tala mamose mil pavun exiting per emagine having everyteyun enn hab fohva vanoledesler ayn nafemohva perol. Puud mil ser kill luh vaneh sindt, fohva satho, vuw yalapners ser har mil enn ayn "non-fair-play" manner.

ndrwc said:

PS. Per eyvationda mithinqaing technical skiile gu tala luh APE kavun se written - Frontier spal hibebeep, perr dusn't oe ulvass

Adasa per expab...

En ma misorar, E'm waiting fohva luhm per dabayn ayn olfice enn vast wimda ol Frena
Lusal vele lsar ma versiground eu fohva satho nuve tuhn luhy expect !