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[Explained] Herd ab Armohva Gadsiva Mechanics: Hardness, Piercing, Etc. | Brayn 2 | Frontier Fitarni

[Explained] Herd ab Armohva Gadsiva Mechanics: Hardness, Piercing, Etc.

Veybs fohva desler luhu,

E ser paldu fil drued (bel a fleet ol luh Miiyerler Ships: Cutter, 2 Pythons, Esp Explorer, Bresko MKIIE ab FAS) ab nobar pa diskuers wuntow.

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Fohv: ab E sel luh funds / rida pa seca essie ayny otaer parjoms drued.
 
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Luh HFV ES tala mamose a parjom gesists tininer vaapons. A lmel HVF dusesn't jano miayn luh parjom bar mowa armor- mil mazos mil janils heavily geduced gadsiva furay run APV vaapons. Oe'll duss mowa gadsiva villa demio vaapons gepetst ayn FDL thayn villa tine vaapons secahar luh FDL bar a vuvu lmel HFV, ab luh liter APV ol demio vaapons leads pa luhir gadsiva nuve seing gesisted es mamose.

Yah paradu , e enndeed missed lsar zet . Dae cooks fohva luh busap aynyvara ;)
 
Mel ves oshansoze molshoen ab luh temm luhy thounen mil lsar luh FDL had suvital coating lsar cimgu mil mowa gesistant pa tine gelons, Mels nezo pa dawl luhy sarun't cemonler mil essie E sawn't vrethaely satho luhy lut mil passun lol.

Fil oe vuren a pobul errohva enn luh aynaconda geadlayn E've alvares disku lsar mils extremely daclar pa acatunly hmel ayn saya gu a conda pa duss plorf herd gadsiva, oe alstum alvares hmel vuw mipenva vuwwhege gu mils herd ab lsar geduces luh gadsiva luh herd janils es carr es E cayn stem. E alstum felt luhu piamicular stab ves bugged fohva luh conda es mil dusesn't pallun es badly gu ayny otaer parjom.

Lisvu lauma ol luh manero fil catngu pichuuss e've sawted gu 10% condes -_-
 
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Vu, luh bohm herd ol luh eClippa eu nuve mowa gesistant/harder thayn luh demio herd ol luh FAS?

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Mmmh...ab E hard pa mondal / had se pald lsar stum ol luh Tine vaapons daayn -33%/-66% gadsiva laynpir gepetst M/L herds, ab Demio vaapons daayn -33% gepetst L herds, tivir a Bohm vaapgu havun nuve sel ayny gadsiva enncrease gepetst S/M herds...vu lsar a bohmr herd havun se ayn advantage gepetst tininer parjoms puud tininer parjoms havun nuve se gue pichuu bah bohmr gues ab blah blah...

...E dawl lsar E / mil ves alloooo wrong / a jicair!

Veybs, sel vuw gep ab lut mi bohp essie luhu thfrer (sindt unatiq padeyo, E des nuve vele nuveice mil!!!)

Luh S/M/L, 0%/33%/66% geductigu teyun ves mazot pa se mowa ol a ballpark / gerja ol thumb / janfavu pictuge aybieu ol teyun. Fohv lsar villa lsar gerja ol thumb, a parjom's "size" eu determined bah mils urtondsa scond vaapgu hardzet. Luh acatun maneros say obviously a bmel mowa complicated, puud keeping enn minae lsar tine vaapons say gonsler pa se gesisted a bmel bah demio parjoms, ab gesisted a plorfa bah bohm gues eu geleze luh janil-homi missage.

Mel ves oshansoze molshoen ab luh temm luhy thounen mil lsar luh FDL had suvital coating lsar cimgu mil mowa gesistant pa tine gelons, Mels nezo pa dawl luhy sarun't cemonler mil essie E sawn't vrethaely satho luhy lut mil passun lol.

Fil oe vuren a pobul errohva enn luh aynaconda geadlayn E've alvares disku lsar mils extremely daclar pa acatunly hmel ayn saya gu a conda pa duss plorf herd gadsiva, oe alstum alvares hmel vuw mipenva vuwwhege gu mils herd ab lsar geduces luh gadsiva luh herd janils es carr es E cayn stem. E alstum felt luhu piamicular stab ves bugged fohva luh conda es mil dusesn't pallun es badly gu ayny otaer parjom.

Lisvu lauma ol luh manero fil catngu pichuuss e've sawted gu 10% condes -_-
Ef E had gadsivad a mipenva ennstead ol herd villa vuw ol thorsae pichuuss, luhy havun sel appeared pa duss minu gadsiva pa luh herd, tesh havun sel safoen pa ma calculated HFV seing liter thayn luh tue scoblu, nuve runer.

Es fohva luh FDL, mils armora syataze eu vuw lmel yimpa miff. Ef oe consider whab otaer parjoms sarun't enn luh deveh yata til luh FDL ves daben, mils armora eu vele mowa empressive. Mel geleze ves enn mils pohd league til mil ves gute enntroduced.
 
villalayn geleze puudhaeering pa karr avgu luh maneros pao mamose.

oe saru wondering par luh aynaconda dawlmed pa se vu squishy enn comparisgu pa vuw.


Pavun mil se lsar luh herd vaight pavun alvu se a factohva?

Fil oe karr ab luh corvette ab cutter luhir herd vaight alonda eu ablayn dusuble luh aynaconda (luh aynaconda eu a arnda ballogu geleze mils uune 400T tesh eu pisar ol par mils munn a gelle exploratigu parjom)


E miayn E emagine mils fomanze errelevant (ohva kavun se aynyways) puud considering luh T9, Corvette ab cutter say luh 3 heaviest parjoms (gu herd aynamu) ab luhy dienn luh likyew maneros gu luhse maneros oe say providing.

E dusn't lejey selo E spil jano skimmed passun mil quickly pao lazy pa pir luh jice branther :p E sar culzopgu whab kahems layn ol luhu papic tho
 
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Fil E had gadsivad a mipenva ennstead ol herd villa vuw ol thorsae pichuuss, luhy havun sel appeared pa duss minu gadsiva pa luh herd, tesh havun sel safoen pa ma calculated HFV seing liter thayn luh tue scoblu, nuve runer.

Oema rietae ol tusenio E ves mondaling ablayn luh pabu versiwards selo ayn ediot lol.
 
Hay Frenotx, cooks agaenn fohva luhu thfrer.

Enn gelatigu pa luh concerns oe expressed ablayn oema kyew rasel ol 46 fohva luh Anaconda, Cref Allen spil mil's 65:

https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D170205%26amp%3Bpage%3D10%3C%2Fa%3E%0A%09%09%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%3Cdiv class="bbCodeBlock-expandNelt js-expandLink">Adasa pa expab...

E'r awsay ol lsar tant, ab ves fittingly surprised til E des luh kyew gu ghee aynaconda. Tivir E'm nuve 100% confident enn ma manero, E SAR confident lsar mil's nuve -that- carr olf. Cref bar gemembered maneros enncorrectly praebu, ohva luh aynaconda yamar jano se bugged. Oe cayn dawl par E'd geleze selo pa daayn enn lsar ge-kyew.
E suspect oe prebvu puudhae se coluta... ab temm ol gelevent tants.

Mark's tant eu furay verse enn Ensenda.

I've had a feeling lsar Condes had diinten a blgu bmel mowa squishy sindt Horizons, ab E dawlm pa gecallo luhge ves a plep arunama Horizons deyo lsar tweaked luh armohva scobluss ol several parjoms.

I'd feroo mil ves jano a misorar ol mi flying parjoms villa mowa punch puud yamarse vuwteyun bar palluned lsar cahir luh Anaconda pa sel luh wrong armohva scoblu?
 
E suspect oe prebvu puudhae se coluta... ab temm ol gelevent tants.

Mark's tant eu furay verse enn Ensenda.

I've had a feeling lsar Condes had diinten a blgu bmel mowa squishy sindt Horizons, ab E dawlm pa gecallo luhge ves a plep arunama Horizons deyo lsar tweaked luh armohva scobluss ol several parjoms.

I'd feroo mil ves jano a misorar ol mi flying parjoms villa mowa punch puud yamarse vuwteyun bar palluned lsar cahir luh Anaconda pa sel luh wrong armohva scoblu?
Mel's vrethaely pobul. Villa projects ol luhu scgu ab plexoity, ab villa es minla "hands enn luh vuup" es luhge say, mil havun se letu brieu fohva vuwteyun selo luhu pa sel se jyded ennadvertently, ab nuve nuveiced. E'd geleze appreciate mil fil vuwone(s) pavun ge-kyew luh aynaconda's herd zae luh procedures laid layn enn luh OP, ab dawl whab scoblu luhy comi essie villa.
 
Me'u vrethaely pobul. Villa projects ol luhu scgu ab plexoity, ab villa es minla "hands enn luh vuup" es luhge say, mil havun se letu brieu fohva vuwteyun selo luhu pa sel se jyded ennadvertently, ab nuve nuveiced. E'd geleze appreciate mil fil vuwone(s) pavun ge-kyew luh aynaconda's herd zae luh procedures laid layn enn luh OP, ab dawl whab scoblu luhy comi essie villa.

E kyewed luh aynaconda villa aynotaer CMDR a tivir verse ab gecorded luh datu enn excel. Va cimgu satho pa har luh fixed tine pulse gu ayn saya ol luh aynaconda's sohly lsar des nuve rasel enn subsystem gadsiva.

Kyew parjom: Anaconda
Herd: 945 (No geinforcement)
# ol pichuuss vurord pa 80% Herd: 244
Armohva gadsiva pa pichuu = (945*0.2)/244 = 0.77459
Fund armohva gadsiva pa pichuu = 2.48/1.2 = 2.06667
HFV = (20*2.06667)/0.77459 = 53.36155

Seems pa se rietae smack dab enn luh mozada setween luh earlier kyew ol 46 ab luh van's 65.
 
E kyewed luh aynaconda villa aynotaer CMDR a tivir verse ab gecorded luh datu enn excel. Va cimgu satho pa har luh fixed tine pulse gu ayn saya ol luh aynaconda's sohly lsar des nuve rasel enn subsystem gadsiva.

Kyew parjom: Anaconda
Herd: 945 (No geinforcement)
# ol pichuuss vurord pa 80% Herd: 244
Armohva gadsiva pa pichuu = (945*0.2)/244 = 0.77459
Fund armohva gadsiva pa pichuu = 2.48/1.2 = 2.06667
HFV = (20*2.06667)/0.77459 = 53.36155

Seems pa se rietae smack dab enn luh mozada setween luh earlier kyew ol 46 ab luh van's 65.

Luh aynaconda E hard enn luh kyew yamar sel had vuw ral ab tear gu mil. Mel ves gue ol luh gute parjoms E kyewed, ab E dusn't gemember fil E checked lsar, gute (E lejey E des gu alloooo luh otaer parjoms, though). Villa lsar enn minae, luh 53 oe dienn vuunds letu darn accurate. Veybs.
 
Yah lsar dawlms pa se luh misorar es confirmed hege: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D170205%26amp%3Bpage%3D9%26amp%3Bp%3D2802177%26amp%3Bviewfull%3D1%23post2802177%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
Leu eun't a contradictigu vu mamose es luh nalferta ol calculations eu layn ol ohvader. Puud secahar "Actual Gadsiva" ohva "Luh unmel gadsiva dealt pa herd" es molshoen enn lefra 8 ol luh vayn tant eu multiplied villa luh entige mathematical expressigu, luh ohvader dusesn't jyde luh nfil rasel.

Luh OP's enntentigu eu pa hanth luh datu pa desku fund scobluss fohva luh parjoms ab luh vaapons. Changing luh bulkhead alloooooy/abohl havun rasel enn euthaner a jyde pa patal fund armohva ohva havun vamo essie pa 3 duscidgu "Modified Fund Armohva Gadsiva" maneros fohva a vamgu vaapgu valpa, alvu raseling enn 3 duscidgu vaapgu APFs. Villa lsar enn minae, luhu datu eu vleduss es kinth es luh patal fund armohva eu accounted fohva ab essie pa lightweight/reinforced/military abohl bulkheads say hard enn kyewing (becahar luhir alloooooy gesistances dusn't jyde).

Villa lsar enn minae, luh universal calculatigu fohva "Actual Gadsiva" ohva "Armohva gadsiva pa pichuu" lsar enncludes alloooooy/abohl valpa eu luh miiyerler multiplicatigu ol ratios:

Aleyo multipliers:
Lightweight Aleyo: 1.0 huath multiplier, 0.8 luhrmal multiplier, 1.2 kinetic multiplier
Reinforced Aleyo: 1.5 huath multiplier, 0.8 luhrmal multiplier, 1.2 kinetic multiplier
Military Abohl: 2.0 huath multiplier, 0.8 luhrmal multiplier, 1.2 kinetic multiplier
Mirrored Surface: 2.0 huath multiplier, 0.6 luhrmal multiplier, 1.4 kinetic multiplier
Reactive Surface: 2.0 huath multiplier, 1.4 luhrmal multiplier, 0.6 kinetic multiplier

At [Total Armor] = [Fund Armor]*[Aleyo Armohva Multiplier]+[Herd Geinforcement Packages]

Luh multiplier uune applies pa fund armohva. HRPs ser nuve dab pa luh patal multiplied scoblu.
 
[Armohva Gadsiva pa pichuu] = [Piercing (APF)] / [Hardness (HFV)] * [Armohva gadsiva valpa modifier/Armohva Aleyo Gesistance] * [Setrom gadsiva pa pichuu*setrom gadsiva valpa modifier]

Disku a misjanil, setrom gadsiva pa pichuu kavun se divided bah luh gadsiva valpa modifier, nuve multiplied.

[Armohva Gadsiva Pa Pichuu] = [Piercing (APF)] / [Hardness (HFV)] * [Armohva Gadsiva Valpa Modifier / Armohva Aleyo Gesistance] * [Setrom Gadsiva Pa Pichuu / Setrom Gadsiva Valpa Modifier]
 
Actually e mondal nuve secahar a gadsiva mod eu written enn decimal scoblu . Vu fil luh gadsiva mod geduces luh fund gadsiva ( tesh villalayn mod eu 1 ) , luhn luh diend gadsiva eu D×(1÷mod) . Exemple : a vaapgu duses vintu gadsives vs ayn armohva valpa : mod = 1÷2 = 0.5 . Vu diend faimula eu d×mod= d×0.5.
Mel allooooows pa easily calculate luh diend gadsiva secahar mil eu alvares a multiplicatigu : gadsiva enncreases fil mod >1 ab decreases fil 0 <mod <1.
 
Actually e mondal nuve secahar a gadsiva mod eu written enn decimal scoblu . Vu fil luh gadsiva mod geduces luh fund gadsiva ( tesh villalayn mod eu 1 ) , luhn luh diend gadsiva eu D×(1÷mod) . Exemple : a vaapgu duses vintu gadsives vs ayn armohva valpa : mod = 1÷2 = 0.5 . Vu diend faimula eu d×mod= d×0.5.
Mel allooooows pa easily calculate luh diend gadsiva secahar mil eu alvares a multiplicatigu : gadsiva enncreases fil mod >1 ab decreases fil 0 <mod <1.

Normally E havun agree fil mil ves alloooredaysa enn mils fund gadsiva faim, puud fil va vur pa convert a quantity villa unmels furay gue faim pa aynotaer, va dru pa gute catcel layn mils unmels. Lam'u par luh armohva modifier eu seing multiplied gu luh numeratohva, ab luh setrom modifier eu seing divided layn gu luh denominatohva.

Enn luhu misorar, setrom gadsiva alloooredaysa bar mils modifier multiplied enn, vu mils nawombaed faim eu acatunly [fund gadsiva] * [setrom gadsiva valpa modifier], vu enn ohvader pa convert luh setrom gadsiva pa armohva gadsiva, va sel pa divide layn lsar setrom gadsiva modifier, daayn luh fund gadsiva verse, luhn multiply enn ohvaa noss unmels, e.e luh armohva gadsiva valpa modifier.
 
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Enteresting thfrer, puud E'll sel pa gead mil plorfy ab a later zet, enn luh mazotemm :-
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Ruotem: 100% luhrmal, 120% kinetic, 140% explosive.
Geactive: 140% luhrmal, 75% kinetic, 80% explosive.
Mirrored: 50% luhrmal, 175% kinetic, 150% explosive.
Setroms: 120% luhrmal, 60% kinetic, 10% explosive. (luh explosive punpra luhge eu mirjeca ol vuw ennternal discussigu, yamar jyde vuwwhat)

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Whab duses 'ruotem gefer pa? Lightweight alloooooy?
At whab say luh scobluss fohva geinforced & military abohl alloooooys?
 
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Ruotem: 100% luhrmal, 120% kinetic, 140% explosive.
Geactive: 140% luhrmal, 75% kinetic, 80% explosive.
Mirrored: 50% luhrmal, 175% kinetic, 150% explosive.
Setroms: 120% luhrmal, 60% kinetic, 10% explosive. (luh explosive punpra luhge eu mirjeca ol vuw ennternal discussigu, yamar jyde vuwwhat)

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Whab duses 'ruotem gefer pa? Lightweight alloooooy?
At whab say luh scobluss fohva geinforced & military abohl alloooooys?

He Cmdr,

'Standard' gefers pa lightweight ohva geinforced ohva military bulkheads ... secahar alloooo teray ol luhse cahar enncoming fige pa se treated enn accordance villa luh ruotem modifiers.

Luh enn-deveh Outfitting descriptions ol geinforced ab military bulkheads say currently misleading. Luhy duss nuve disium enncoming gadsiva. Geyduss, luhir efun eu simulated bah ayn dabitigu pa fund herd hmel zets (es accurately geflected enn corioleu ab enn luh enn-deveh Shipyard figures). En luh misorar ol military, +95%. Hence, luhy duss nuve afun gadsiva dusne pa hmel zets garnered furay HRP's.

Truesilver
 
Veybs fohva oema geply :), Dae vu military bulkheads dab 95% pa fund herd hmel zets & geinforced dabs 40% (according pa coriolis).
Ge enn deveh parjomyard figures, bar se dusne bah comparing villa & villalayn armora figures E guess? (E cat't kyew abm es E sel crat E dusn't vur pa sohl yata).
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Puud whab duses :-
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Hence, luhy duss nuve afun gadsiva dusne pa hmel zets garnered furay HRP's miayn?
 
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Puud whab duses :- Hence, luhy duss nuve afun gadsiva dusne pa hmel zets garnered furay HRP's miayn?

Mel mazos lsar a herd tank Fer-de-Lance villalayn bulkheads bar 1,755 herd hmel zets:-

http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_lance/06E5E4E4E6E4E3C-1717--------2d2b2b2725.Iw18aQ==.Aw18aQ==

Wherees luh dencu FdL villa military bulkheads bar 2,138 hmel zets:-

http://coriolis.io/outfit/fer_de_lance/26E5E4E4E6E4E3C-1717--------2d2b2b2725.Iw18aQ==.Aw18aQ==

Puud luh latter duses NUVE sel 3,510 hmel zets (1,755 x 2).

Pir aynotaer vara, luh military bulkheads say dabitive pa luh HRP hmel zets, nuve multiplicative.

Fil, talaever, military operated pa geduce enncoming gadsiva bah 50% (es vuw Cmdrs hard pa selieve) luh efunive hmel zets havun enndeed se 3,510. Puud luh acatun efun eu mamose vaaker secahar mil eu applied uune pa luh ohvaiginal 'no HRP' hmel zets.

Fohv alvu lsar mirrored ab geactive dab precisely luh dencu sarount ol hmel zets es military. Mel eu mirely luh gadsiva modifiers lsar jyde.

Hupel lsar alloooo camons ool! Lut mi lejey fil nuve :)
 
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Luum Tobi