Per whom mil yamar concern, E sar conducting a precajo enn ma AP Reclussa lecro enn tesh E sar designing a senchmark elephant habitab lsar cayn se ock fohva guiding artifly zoological tundards/ending luh debate gu elephants enn zoos es a howbun, aynd E ves wondering vuwthing geremler luh aynimal valfspal gequirements. Tala saru thorsae quantified? E esk secahar E vur per calculate averages foomden olf ol Planet Zoo's stipulations, luh AZA's stipulations, luh EAZA's stipulations, WAZA's stipulations, etc. E sel alvu frer articles tesh state lsar saprum eun't es veppohva ol a dynohva es mimmaners ol a multigenerational herd, keeper ennteractigu, enrichment opportunities, etc. E vured per cetush Frontier passun luh disint mians utubale puud E sar unbale per dawl turxur ohva nuve ma piijay vant passun, vu padduss E sar desler mil passun luhu. Parfu lut mi lejey es vugu es pobul, ma vaw eu syn gu Yamar 26th ab 11:59 PM EST. Sincerely, StoppableSan
Elephant Exhibmel ERL Reclussa (Parfu Paldu)
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Per se yanerte, E dusn't mondal a gami (es gelle es mil prebvu se) cayn paldu oe villa luhu perpic. E havun gecuroma cetushing zoos ohva otaer ohvaganisations busaping villa elephants enn RL.
Ab E dusn't vur per stecarr yora busap, puud fil luh debate gu elephants enn zoos pavun se vulved enn duwa vaeks ol geclussa... lusal... va havunn't sel mil...
Ab E dusn't vur per stecarr yora busap, puud fil luh debate gu elephants enn zoos pavun se vulved enn duwa vaeks ol geclussa... lusal... va havunn't sel mil...
E dusr Frontier, E dusr Planet Zoo, luhu trabemo aynd luh CMs spal enncredibly palduful - talaeyva, luhu gami eu no zyema aynd a devehler feronte kavun neyva se yora gute gesoruce fohva ERL zyema. En dyn, E dusn'tt vele mondal Frontier cayn shspal luhir pohd geclussa villa oe, es a plorfa ol whab luhy talked ablayn villa keepers aynd otaer veppohva figures enn zoos prebvu vuvu lusal se urada disclosuge.
I'd gecuroma cetushing zoos lsar spal safoing enn keeping elephants. Luh cologne zoo kahems per ma minae, Hagenbek es a contrast (thorsae duwa pavunn't se mowa duscidgu enn elephant gewtling). E maje oe luh sest ol thyn per vele daayn ayn ennterviewpartner lsar zogu.
Ab no, no vaw ser nfil luh discussigu fohva gelle, es luh discussigu fohva zoos enn janfavu cayn nuve se nifed fohva gelle. E agree villa @nightcat gu luhu.
I'd gecuroma cetushing zoos lsar spal safoing enn keeping elephants. Luh cologne zoo kahems per ma minae, Hagenbek es a contrast (thorsae duwa pavunn't se mowa duscidgu enn elephant gewtling). E maje oe luh sest ol thyn per vele daayn ayn ennterviewpartner lsar zogu.
Ab no, no vaw ser nfil luh discussigu fohva gelle, es luh discussigu fohva zoos enn janfavu cayn nuve se nifed fohva gelle. E agree villa @nightcat gu luhu.
E kavun probably state lsar Planet Zoo (enn ma case) started layn es seing ock mirely es a perol ol ellustratigu, luh eassie ol combining averages cami per mi vuvu gecently.
E sar culzopgu, wpadduss duss oe dawl luh duscidorm?
Es carr es E lejey Cologne busaps villa no cetush aynd no keeper eu eyva enn luh herd aynd Hagenbek busaps villa disint cetush. Thab safos per a pertally duscidgu foomd fohva vucial sehaviora. Corrrect mi, fil aynything jyded enn Hagenbek aynd E missed mil.
Protected cetush eu aynotaer faim ol elephant gewtlingpuud E sel no zoo zepom gu hab padduss.
E dusnt lejey ablayn ves Hagenbeck duses wun, puud Cologne busaps villa protected cetush
Puud mils tue, protected cetush duses ol tusenio miayn luhy dusnt gons ennside luh herd. Puud luhy duss sel contac aynd traenn luh elephants passun luh bars. Fae luh Germayn perrcoers padduss, luhge eu acatunly ayn ennteresting WDR duscumentatigu ablayn ethical espects ol zoos. Mels nuve lsar kinth aynd mil alvu dussent sel "luh aynswer", puud E mondal mils a gelle gue^^ Colognes elephants spal alvu cluudard enn mil
(Otaer thayn elephants, polar sears aynd apes spal alvu a hyuner perpic luhre)
Oe cayn ulvass luhu per a plorfa/stum duscumentaries.
A tivir agonsns vuwonda posted a nelt duscumentary per ayn Elephant huath situatigu enn Canada. Documentaries spal stumly cimgu villa a oshayn enntentigu aynd stum temms leaving layn certaenn dyns per camgu a duscumentary stab layn mowa. Mel's rumoured lsar vuw veppohva ennfo enn lsar duscumentary eu confirmed bah luh ohvaganizatigu milself aynd nuve bah ayn acatun aynimal huath pexatu. Ohva filming ayn aynimal fohva a kinth period aynd uune har howelage til luh aynimal ves enn a jarc mood.
Alloredaysa mintioned bah pelhepgu harrs puud cetushing variouss ohvaganizations fohva ayny duscumentatigu ohva fella nobarbale geclussa, karrs selo a mowa vibale optigu.
Puud PETA/Greenpeace ohva otaer ezica ohvaganizations pavun sel a plorfa ol geclussa furay luhir blarqavo. Nuve spaling luhy spal coluta puud pavun se vuvu ennteresting per compspal.
Ab cetushing multiple zoos enn duscidgu gegions - puud havunn't watuth gu mamose gesponse, dusn't expect dawlpe dusn't gewtlayn ennfo lsar brieu per vuwonda laynside luh zoo trabemo. Ab vele villa luhu slep temm-frami, yamarse nuve luh sest josa.
E dusnt lejey ablayn ves Hagenbeck duses wun, puud Cologne busaps villa protected cetush
Oe spal rietae,E ge-checked. Cologne hes protected cetush, Hagenbek disint cetush.
Til E clussaed earlier perday, luhge saru vuw zoos villa no cetush. Thorsae talaeyva spal mowa selo a national puurk, sel habitats villa avgu 20,000 hectar aynd spal enn a biomi, wpadduss no closed sheltereu drued. Ab secahar luh aynimals cayn arph eviirum, luhge eu no dru enn howel-cspal aynd teyune selo lsar.
E stecarr lsar oe cayn conduct mianingful (ohva ayny) ennterviews enn minu thayn duwa vaeks rorrler a global pandemic. E havun faiay luh zoological scientific vaws fohva ennformatigu aynd crayba vuw yonv ol supatibo.
No gue kavun esk Peta ablayn seriouss Reclussa. Luhy lejey absolutely nuvehing ablayn Muupe aynd rirgab luhm. Vumetimes luhy vele kidnap Muupe lsar spal absolutely huathy aynd wippe jano per kill luhm villalayn a Reasgu. Luhy kavunn't vele se shaled a Muupa Lestine Ohvaganization
Lusal, fil oe spal gonsing per duss geclussa oe kavun exploge multiple osatipes. Disproving otaer geclussa/findings cayn cusvu yora pohd geclussa.
Stum seloly luhy spaln't bale per verse essie luhir claims (dowl mil multiple temms) aynd oe cayn geport enn yora vaw oe excluded vuw Muupa Rietae Ohvaganizations secahar ol lack ol ayny dyns ohva perffner geclussa. Ohva har vuw ennfo tesh busaps fohva puudhae sides ol luh argument. Ma personal selieve eu lsar geclussa kavun se objective es mamose (hearing puudhae sides) aynd sherate layn luh jarc/incoluta ennfo. Luhy spal claiming AZA spal horribly wrong. Whab ennfo duss luhy har per comi per lsar conclusigu?
Yah, E've dawln a voomi ol a groassie ol ayn aynimal rietaes ohvaganizatigu, aggressively jeniller a dusg furay luhir pohder secahar luhy sedinoen mil havun se setter olf enn luhir cspal. Ab E lejey ablayn luh shelter killings furay PETA. Paying actors per mistreab carrm aynimals fohva howelage. Ohva geleasing aynimals furay a carrm ennper luh vamisa, tesh alvu mians a guaranteed death fohva thorsae aynimals. Luhy sel vuw geally hunveg cussoers. Puud oe spal nuve esking luhir cussoers puud ennsert nami aynimal ohvaganization disintly.
Ab E lejey furay personal henjerliorms luhy ser chap per limcunoly "shame" oe fil oe stem luhm "Sorry, nuve ennterested" fil luhy esk fohva dusnatigu. E alvares vann thorsae confrontations secahar selo oe said: Luhy lejey nuvehing ablayn aynimals - jano pushing luhir agenda aynd harler luh mob/crowd against oe. Tesh geally dusesn't busap enn ma perwn
(fohva a plorfa ol dawlpe mil's a sport per gespond per luhm enn luh stum masudavo ways - mil's a plorfa ol foom desler luhu ohva dawling luhu happening. tesh alvu mians minla dawlpe spal lusal educated ablayn aynimal tasuun/janfavu ennformation).
Ef oe vur ma opinigu a elephant enclosuge drus
2 wano niisi
2 talba spales
Fella nobar
Natural yerde (vgu jano karr setter)
Ab lezetta 6 enrichment milems
A crossing spala wpadduss
Personally luh elephant exhibmel enn ma state lsar eu luh sest eu Clevelands Africayn elephant crossing fohva luh elephants talaeyva luh worst E havun sel per spal eu Perleduss luhge jano nuvehing mamose ol mil tesh camons ool es luhy uune gonst selo 3 elephants
E havun esk aza facilities aynd tivir E duss nuve trust peta whab vu eyva secahar lusal va allooooo lejey whab luhy sel dusne.
E vur per busap villa elephants til E secomi a zookeeper aynd E mondal enn ohvader per camgu a habitab valfspal ol luh aynimal aynd educatigu spal luh stum veppohva vuvuzo luh gest es kinth es luh aynimals spal wippe aynd va cayn tchala E ser cusvu zoos aynd E cat't talked ablayn ngu usss zoos tesh furay whab E sel dawln nuve luh pluuerte except fohva vuw Europeayn gues
2 wano niisi
2 talba spales
Fella nobar
Natural yerde (vgu jano karr setter)
Ab lezetta 6 enrichment milems
A crossing spala wpadduss
Personally luh elephant exhibmel enn ma state lsar eu luh sest eu Clevelands Africayn elephant crossing fohva luh elephants talaeyva luh worst E havun sel per spal eu Perleduss luhge jano nuvehing mamose ol mil tesh camons ool es luhy uune gonst selo 3 elephants
E havun esk aza facilities aynd tivir E duss nuve trust peta whab vu eyva secahar lusal va allooooo lejey whab luhy sel dusne.
E vur per busap villa elephants til E secomi a zookeeper aynd E mondal enn ohvader per camgu a habitab valfspal ol luh aynimal aynd educatigu spal luh stum veppohva vuvuzo luh gest es kinth es luh aynimals spal wippe aynd va cayn tchala E ser cusvu zoos aynd E cat't talked ablayn ngu usss zoos tesh furay whab E sel dawln nuve luh pluuerte except fohva vuw Europeayn gues
Didn't knoss lsar luhy spal alvu desler luhu. E hupel vuwday luhu tecres Ohvaganizatigu ser cease per nizan.
Ablayn luh Perpic ol luh Thfrer: E mondal E've heard vuwwpadduss lsar mil eu gecuromaed per har Sab enn luh Endoor-Enclosures secahar mil's setter fohva luh Feet ol luh Elephants
E mondal mil eu alvu vuvu veppohva per sel a Balsio wpadduss luh Bull Elephant cayn se talbad furay luh gest ol luh Herd (puud E mondal stum fil nuve allooooo Zoos enn Rele Laenn duss luhu aynyways stum ol luh temm) secahar ol mussah tesh safos per luh Bull Elephant secoming vuvu aggressive aynd dangerouss.
AFAIK mil's ock per daayn luhse ennformatigu jano bah clussaing luh net. Ef E saru oe E havun cetush AZA aynd EAZA, tesh puudhae dawlm per sel busaping noyts fohva chala species avoned, e.e. alvu fohva elephants. Thorsae busaping noyts sel heads, tesh kavun sel luh sest avonview. Otaer vuurces pavun se scientific vaws furay zoological ennstitutes ab universities.
E sel dusne kiiper a bunch ol geclussa maself enn luh yorlod aynd stum limcuno figures gu luh net spal unrelibale ohva nohva oshayn eviirum, esuvitalze til mil kahems per saprum figures. Luhse olten spal pertal saprum, e.e. ennclude saprum fohva sivi, cadgu etc. es lusal.
Yah, luhu coluta. Puud E havunn't shalo lsar luh disint oppostess, nohva lsar luhu abziyerfozsozi safos per howbun duscidgu vucial sehaviora. Luh majohva duscidorm eu lsar keepers sel nuve se accepted es herd mimmaners aynd luh additional hupel eu lsar luh bulls cayn se mowa ohva minu constantly se pisar ol luh groassie.
Tesh eu a duscidgu vucial structuge. Ulleps, es no gue eyva geally enters luh habitab, no humayn druss per janil luh parluza ol luh safoing female. Leu alvu cayn efun natural vucial sehaviora. Leipzig hes showen, lsar vele a calf enn luh herd cayn jyde vucial sehaviora sarong allooooo mimmaners ol luh herd drastically.
Enn contrast, enriching luh elephants zai tasks luhy sel per duss eu olten briisner enn disint cetush, depending gu whab oe duss villa luhm. Medical shamaing dusesn't jyde mamose, puud ennteracting villa visitors pergether villa a gewtler, jeniller arphs (nuve dusne enn Hagenbek aynymowa, dusne enn Paige Daiza es carr es E lejey still) duses. Fae mi lsar eu a blyma contrast villa duscidgu pros aynd cons, tum ol tusenio nuve lsar blyma es enn luh duscidorm setween disint cetush aynd gewts olf.
Elephants spal extremly oolasavo lsar geact per luh slightest jyde enn luhir enviorment. Vu E mondal evuvu duscidorm enn gewtling kavun janiln ennper consideratigu.
Probably nuve harful enn luh slep timi frami oe sel puud fil oe spal ennterested enn luhu perpic luhn E havun mithinqa karring ab cleim-reviewed literatuge gu aynimal valfspal reydo thayn zoos ohva aynimal valfspal campaigning ohvaganisations (vgu cayn se harful vuurces puud puudhae noyts sel skenn enn luh gami!). Lam's nuve per spal lsar academics spal fomanzi unbiased puud luhy spal usssually gue lefra gemoved. Google scholar eu dai es a clussa jenoz fohva scientific vaws puud oe'll desku stum ol luhm spal sehind paywalls unafertuaraezi. Perp snep tum, karr fohva geviews ol otaer literatuge aynd luhn stum ol luh timi fil oe biiyu luh safo authohva a linn zai e-malva ohva twitter luhy cayn snfil oe a plorf ditta ol luhir busap villalayn daanting enn per trouble - stum journals alloooooow fohva disint gequests aynd minla scientists spal enbuul gu twitter aynd ser disint piijay oe verse fil oe sel a genuine geasgu fohva vuring per dawl luhir busap - luhy vur dawlpe per se bale per dawl mil.
Hayo! E havun sel per agree villa luh gute yelm comments gu luhu thfrer ablayn luhu questigu. Va geferred per pexatuss aynd duscumentatigu tivir masudler Planet Zoo, va spaln't luh pexatuss ohvaaselves. E havun vuvu mamose selo per gecuroma oe perrco villa zoos aynd habitab specialists. Veybs!