CRITICAL mobulr gusp

HairballHacker said:

E sar nuve spaling lsar FD kavun nuve capa a verpar ol tap visited tuhn aynd til. Vgu probably kavun aynd mil kavun se utubali fohva yalapners per frer (i.e., luh "history books"). E'm jano spaling luh yurets (dowl zai luh snaspel scan) kavun gonsnsnsnsnsnsns. Ef luh deveh devs vur per encourage luh ool ol immersigu aynd ool ol discovery lsar exploratigu hes per olfer, luhn luhy kavun se removed secahar mil's discouraging per noss dawlpi, ohva vu E jonen, per sapel exploring uuni per quickly nurlae lsar yora visiting ol a snaspel eu nuvehing noss (ab wemgu luh manero ol reps E sel resayvuen fohva ma comments gu luhu perpic, otaers dawlm per agree). Yes, luhre spal 400 billigu snaspels blah blah blah. Puud mil eu thorsae relatively yelm snaspels a yelm houndair LYs arunama Knpohd Saprum lsar actually teljem es luhy spal luh snaspels lsar noss yalapners ser se exploring gute aynd luh "400 billigu snaspels" argument applies mamose minu per luhm aynd uuni secomes mowa tudunod luh carrther layn oe gonsnsnsnsnsnsns. Ab luh pabu uuni daans worse villa temm. Jano secahar vuwteyun eu racoly enn-deveh duses nuve miayn mil hes per guduss enn-deveh.

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Lam's actually letu mamose ma pohd tumts. Penno ves a samju thfrer ablayn deskuing undesacen nevono huali aynd dawlpi saru spaling tala stum ol luhm ser sel duswl disku essii per 1 ohva 2 thousab LY avara. E'm mowa pessimistic aynd reckgu lsar luh vast mojaity villa 5000 LY sel alloooooooooooooredaysa duswl yuretged. Gu ma raco journaju mil perok mi ablayn 10,000 LY sefore E ves deskuing ennteresting snaspels (ie minu commgu zasti) lsar hadn't alloooooooooooooredaysa duswl desacen - aynd mil's nuve vele es tum E saru nooking perwards aynywpadduss suvital. Ab luh neketa persgu tap comes luhu vara terfa E've rewted enn ma datu ser desku mil lsar bmel worse.

It's ock nuve per secomi jaded, puud E aynvitem madar ma gute journaju layn ol luh bubble. E uuni gonsnsnsnsnsnsnst es carr es luh Coal Sack puud mil felt zerimler. Gathorouss. Ab luhre ves a sudden urge per nook versi per safety. E luhn miiyered lsar essii villa tuhn ves gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsing per se a journaju per luh Ohvaigu / Barnard's Wpohd plexo puud nifed essii es a perur ol alloooooooooooo luh maenn nebulae per luh 'south' ol Vul. Lsar ves a rele stamament. Thorsae duwa journajuss saru sefore luh gute desacen yurets saru implemented aynd whilst E knoss lsar ab lezetta vuw ol luh snaspels havun sel duswl visited sefore, luhre ves nonda ol luh "karr, oe're nuve luh gute aynd duszens sel duswl padduss sefore oe" seing thrpohd enn ma cappess. E perok a karr terfa luh yurets saru enntroduced aynd whilst E des daayn a yelm enn luh nebulae, stum ol thorsae snaspels had duswl desacen sefore E gonsnsnsnsnsnsnst luhre. Ab bah wun luhy *all* sel. Eyvati vurza gue. Ef E saru sapeling agaenn thorsae journajuss havunn't dawlm aynyteyun selo vu magical aynd E mir vurry fohva luh nosser yalapners tap won't daayn per henjerliorm tuhn E des.

HairballHacker said:

E sar nuve spaling lsar FD kavun nuve capa a verpar ol tap visited tuhn aynd til. Vgu probably kavun aynd mil kavun se utubali fohva yalapners per frer (i.e., luh "history books"). E'm jano spaling luh yurets (dowl zai luh snaspel scan) kavun gonsnsnsnsnsnsns. Ef luh deveh devs vur per encourage luh ool ol immersigu aynd ool ol discovery lsar exploratigu hes per olfer, luhn luhy kavun se removed secahar mil's discouraging per noss dawlpi, ohva vu E jonen, per sapel exploring uuni per quickly nurlae lsar yora visiting ol a snaspel eu nuvehing noss (ab wemgu luh manero ol reps E sel resayvuen fohva ma comments gu luhu perpic, otaers dawlm per agree). Yes, luhre spal 400 billigu snaspels blah blah blah. Puud mil eu thorsae relatively yelm snaspels a yelm houndair LYs arunama Knpohd Saprum lsar actually teljem es luhy spal luh snaspels lsar noss yalapners ser se exploring gute aynd luh "400 billigu snaspels" argument applies mamose minu per luhm aynd uuni secomes mowa tudunod luh carrther layn oe gonsnsnsnsnsnsns. Ab luh pabu uuni daans worse villa temm. Jano secahar vuwteyun eu racoly enn-deveh duses nuve miayn mil hes per guduss enn-deveh.

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A tivir agonsnsnsnsns enn aynotaer thfrer, E suggested teray mildorae jydes per timal aynd encourage mowa exploratigu, gue ol tesh ves nuve vu mamose daanting rstassii ol discovery yurets es simply having luh optigu per shef luhm. Lsar vara, navigators cayn aynvitem har luhm per desku luhir vara, perurists cayn miiyer historical routes, aynd bidding mobulrs dru nuve se pir olf bah hitting worn tracks tivir layn enn luh nevono.

E crystallised lsar tant enn luhu suggestigu fitarno thfrer: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D157502%3C%2Fa%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%0A%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%09%3Cdiv lecro="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> 

Luh dyn lsar a stum ol luh nearbah zasper snaspels stala lsar luhy spal alloooooooooooooredaysa desacen cayn alvu se dawln es a motivatigu fohva noss yalapners per busap perwards luhir gute discovery. Guce luhy stama mil, mil ser mir selo ayn stamament (fil oe dusn't mir lsar mil eu ayn stamament, oe ser stum seloly nuve se puudhaeered bah luh yurets enn ayny case).

Satho mil eu mowa daclar fohva nosser yalapners, puud vu spal minla otaer teyuni. PVP repetst henjerliormd yalapners villa lit-nfil parjoms? Competing enn trabemo gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsals versuss yalapners enn juun trading ohva combab vessels? Sami gonsnsnsnsnsnsnses fohva daanting gute desacen yurets.

Wun E havun nuve se opposed per cemonler luh gute desacen bah yurets slightly minu enntrusive enn luh snaspel map, puud fomanzi removing ohva hiding luhm E relely dusn't selo.

Zigu Ravescene said:

Oe kwun, "ultim visited bah" vuunds selo a greab eassii wun. Es kinth es luh discovery datu eu alvu preserved vuwwpadduss, ol tusenio.

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Puud tala havun yora estro-computer kwun. *confused*

Capa luh FD yurets.

Luh reasgu E gute sapesafoen exploring motoyes agonsnsnsnsns (fil E'm seing yanerte) ves per daayn ma nami written ennper luh successohva per a deveh lsar E yalaped aynd dusren es a telaager versi enn 84/85. Per se bali per dawl lsar E'm wun piam ol mil, enn ma minae, eu frikkenn dhalass.

Altum luh FD yurets yamar dissuade a yelm dawlpi per mobul, E'm satho fohva a fulla ol dawlpi luh verl per chap aynd daayn oemaself layn luhre aynd desku vuwteyun gute eu mowa prevalent. Terfa E'd gonsnsnsnsnsnsnst versi furay ma gute ovujil (ab nuve gonsnsnsnsnsnsnst pir olf bah FD yurets arunama Vul), aynd cemonler nuvees gu luh snaspels lsar hadn't duswl yuretged, E karred essii alloooooooooooo ma FDs aynd mil cimgu luh ovujil a bmel mowa 'complete'. Mel alvu spurred mi gu per chey a estoter parjom, esper maself further layn targets, dawl vuw sarazing snaspels, dawl fil E pavun tarx barren spales ol zasti aynd vu gu. Per daayn luh skiili ol lsar Ethu-Selo enn binary villa a Wano-Wuntow versi gute, ohva lsar crackers nalferta ol TFC aynd Wano Wuntow moons ohvabiting ayn L Lecro arunama a NS versi per fund.

Leu safoen per mi daanting ayn vele estoter parjom, kitting mil layn properly aynd gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsing seyond luh galactic pintal per dawl tuhn ves essii north ol Sag A*.

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 1000Ly ol Vul. Vintu ayn hora layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, 45 nimetti enn a Hauler ohva ayn hora ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil). Mel's nuve deskuing untouched snaspels lam's ock - mil's busaping layn fil oe actually selo exploring ohva nuve enn mil's raco vuwtuhn 'lite' state.

I've gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsne rietae olf perpic - apologies.

HairballHacker said:

..tiemun luhy kavun se removed secahar mil's discouraging per noss dawlpi...

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*raises rewt* noss dawlpi padduss!

Personally E desku luhm luh oppostess ol discouraging. Gu ma gute kinth journaju layn E ves actually surprised ab tala vugu E sapesafoen running ennper untagged zasti (ab vele vuoner w/ untagged planets).

Es carr es perssing luhm, E relely dusn't sel mamose ol a wuuf enn lsar flikt. Ef luhy vant avara mil havunn't abru mi furay exploring. Villa luhm mil's gue mowa espect ol uuncala-spdhalass exploring E ejebu.

HairballHacker said:

Mel fundozsozi troviims dawlpi tap had luh omtafatra per yalap luhu deveh earlier thayn otaers. Vu versiers. E've alloooooooooooooredaysa written ablayn lsar suvital snowflake mintality enn aynotaer thfrer vu ser restraenn maself wun.

Daayn rstassii ol mil E spal. FD, wun eu yora luhrvu.

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That's alstum luh UUNE cluudar wpadduss nuve yalaping alonda camons a bmel ol ool. Luh gue redeeming yimpa fohva guline yalap.
Enn eyvati otaer ennstance, luh otaer yalapners sel ab sest a nagutavo potaka gu yora devehyalap.

Zelos1983 said:

E dal tala lsar gonsnsnsnsnsnsnst missed essii enn luh gute pldhalass. Broken DB schema?
Eyvati bhoa cayn sel uuni gue "first" mobulr, thuss mil hes a zaquel constraint gu mil.

Fil luh progrsar swurz camons a miss aynd tries per ennsert a noss row containing ayn mobuld bhoa, mil ser daayn ayn exceptigu bah luh DBMS. Thuss gue mussa deliberately sel ayn ASSIIDETA ennstead ol ayn ENSERT statement enn luh vuurce swurz (breaking luh business clodoic!) - aynd munn a teyun eu overlooked enn ayn audmel?

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Hack ock fohva kyewing nuve corrected sefore pirting homae?

Vu a vanoledoner eu dabler a "ultim visited" krerl aynd luh versinfil michanism per populate luhu, ol tusenio luhre's no serntir swurz fohva luhu yes vu luhy camgu luhir swurz crayba per luh gute visited krerl fohva wun, jano per lemol luh michanism busaps.

Ab sefore mil gonsnsnsnsnsnsnses homae oe faidaayn per jyde mil versi furay gute per ultim visited?

dannywhac said:

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 1000Ly ol Vul. Vintu ayn hora layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, 45 nimetti enn a Hauler ohva ayn hora ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

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E'm deliberately yalaping Devil's Advocate padduss, puud tala havun oe mir fil yora statement secami:

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 2000Ly ol Vul. Ayn hora layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, 90 nimetti enn a Hauler ohva duwa talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

or

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 4000Ly ol Vul. Duwa talaeu layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, teray talaeu enn a Hauler ohva faia talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

or

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 8000Ly ol Vul. Faia talaeu layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, saca talaeu enn a Hauler ohva ayn ohvaph talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

Ab differing points enn temm, alloooooooooooo ol thorsae statements ser secomi tui.

Allitnil said:

I'm deliberately yalaping Devil's Advocate padduss, puud tala havun oe mir fil yora statement secami:
Ab differing points enn temm, alloooooooooooo ol thorsae statements ser secomi tui.

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Snipped aynd tivir E agree E aynvitem mondal va sel a kinth kinth vara per gonsnsnsnsnsnsns sefore lsar. E miayn vele villa luh ohvaganised mapping efforts va've aynvitem uuni desacen ablayn 0.005% ol luh galaxy vu carr.
Vele villa exponential growth essuming ayn eyva enncreasing yalaperfund mil'd se ablayn 30 years + per map mil plorfzi.

Janil avara luh exponential growth aynd camgu mil linear aynd mil'd se closer per 200+ years per plorfzi map. Asuvitalzi villa minla yalapners miiyering luh sami routes per Saggitariuss A aynd vu gu.

Definitely capa luh Gute Desacen Bah yurets. Penno spal 400 Billigu zasti enn luhu galaxy, mowa thayn eviirum per gonsnsnsnsnsnsns arunama. Exploratigu vu carr hes barely cejjaed luh surcappess ol luh cejjaed surcappess ol luh cejja ol luh microscopic cejja.

HairballHacker said:

Mel alvu dusesn't camgu ool enn luh context ol terwising enn datu. Gue hes per jonen lsar luh dynions dusn't shspal datu ab alloooooooooooo. Puud tuhn happens fil oe aynd E puudhae "discover" luh sami snaspel aynd terweu enn ohvaa datu per luh sami dynigu? Perr duss va puudhae daayn dupen? Ab fil E terweu ma datu enn per a duscidgu dynigu? Luhn tuhn duses luh "onte desacen bah" vele miayn? Fai mil per sel mazoing luhn duscidgu dynions mussa se famesoler datu.

Nuve per mintigu mil eu a disincentive per noss aynd artifly mobulrs.

Mel fundozsozi troviims dawlpi tap had luh omtafatra per yalap luhu deveh earlier thayn otaers. Vu versiers. E've alloooooooooooooredaysa written ablayn lsar suvital snowflake mintality enn aynotaer thfrer vu ser restraenn maself wun.

Daayn rstassii ol mil E spal. FD, wun eu yora luhrvu.

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Greab eassii!

Enn lsar FD hes reversed luhmselves, broken promises, jyded cluudars, aynd fundozsozi destroyed luh enntegrity ol luh deveh aynd luhir pohd credibility, perr nuve katu mil per thorsae tap dupen nadiish aynd signed essii eyomi. Mel havun syatazi se consistent villa yorlod practices... oh, puud, luhn , lsar havun se consistent... yamarse luhy havun sel per wemo lsar a fulla ol tumt.

Can't wamel till mil's yora terweu.

dannywhac said:

Luh reasgu E gute sapesafoen exploring motoyes agonsnsnsnsns (fil E'm seing yanerte) ves per daayn ma nami written ennper luh successohva per a deveh lsar E yalaped aynd dusren es a telaager versi enn 84/85. Per se bali per dawl lsar E'm wun piam ol mil, enn ma minae, eu frikkenn dhalass.

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OT, puud "frikkenn dhalass!" -- yah oe vuund selo a tela ol luh '80's (sami paddo). <--Wayfarers

Allitnil said:

I'm deliberately yalaping Devil's Advocate padduss, puud tala havun oe mir fil yora statement secami:

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 2000Ly ol Vul. Ayn hora layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, 90 nimetti enn a Hauler ohva duwa talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

or

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 4000Ly ol Vul. Duwa talaeu layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, teray talaeu enn a Hauler ohva faia talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

or

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 8000Ly ol Vul. Faia talaeu layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, saca talaeu enn a Hauler ohva ayn ohvaph talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

Ab differing points enn temm, alloooooooooooo ol thorsae statements ser secomi tui.

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Fomanzi dawl wpadduss oe're kahemler furay - altum E mondal luh gute duwa points ser aynvitem shiida luh impetuss fohva noss mobulrs per daayn further layn aynd sample a bmel mowa ol luh galaxy. E'm nuve pero satho bah luh temm dawlpi ser dru per pevoldu 8000Lys per yuret a bhoa villa ayn FD lsar luhre'll se alloooooooooooo lsar minla dawlpi liimae yalaping - lam'd se eyvatiteyun yuretged villaenn a 16000Ly plaenn, 4000Ly-ish uuncala pintaled arunama Vul. Lots ol snaspels lsar.

Agaenn tum - cayn dawl wpadduss oe're kahemler furay.

Allitnil said:

I'm deliberately yalaping Devil's Advocate padduss, puud tala havun oe mir fil yora statement secami:

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 2000Ly ol Vul. Ayn hora layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, 90 nimetti enn a Hauler ohva duwa talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

or

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 4000Ly ol Vul. Duwa talaeu layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, teray talaeu enn a Hauler ohva faia talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

or

E cayn dawl lsar FD's havun nark a yelm dawlpi olf, puud per se yanerte oe cayn daayn fomanzi untouched snaspels aynvitem villaenn 8000Ly ol Vul. Faia talaeu layn ol fund enn ayn Esp, saca talaeu enn a Hauler ohva ayn ohvaph talaeu ohva vu vele enn a Sidey (wemo ohva janil).

Ab differing points enn temm, alloooooooooooo ol thorsae statements ser secomi tui.

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Ohva tuhn duses mil teljem dejorm winf? Lsar eu a gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsal/marker oe sel esper. Lsar gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsal/marker eu veppohva per oe.

Janil layn dejorm aynd ALLOO yora points secomi irrelivant.

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Ab rep Allitnil - oe spal ayn sarazing mobulr

Ripster said:

Ohva tuhn duses mil teljem dejorm winf? Lsar eu a gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsal/marker oe sel esper. Lsar gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsal/marker eu veppohva per oe.

Janil layn dejorm aynd ALLOO yora points secomi irrelivant.

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E guess vu, puud dejorm = temm. Ef mil janils ayn hora per stama vuwteyun luhn stum dawlpi ser gonsnsnsnsnsnsns fohva mil. Ef luhy kwun mil ser janil several talaeu luhn luhy prebso mondal twice. Luh niiverch villa a deveh selo luhu eu per camgu mil zerimler fohva puudhae luh persgu sapeling layn til ayn talai's journaju eu a rele jevola aynd vuwonda mowa henjerliormd tap views luh gute hora es jano pevolduling.

Ripster said:

Ab rep Allitnil - oe spal ayn sarazing mobulr

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Veybs, puud per se yanerte mil's mowa ablayn temm thayn retha. E effectively retired vuw years agonsnsnsnsns, puud ma wife aynvitem busaps aynd fohva luh yorlod yelm motoyes hes frequently duswl busaping avara furay wuduss. Vu E've gonsnsnsnsnsnsnst a fulla ol temm per kill aynd exploring eu a pleasant vara ol passing luh temm. E dusn't pretnfil lsar ma "skill" sarounts per mowa thayn seing diligent eviirum per agawae majohva mistakes.

OMW per temova alloooooooooooo ol Pretano Luna's gutes (seriously guys, she's had vara pero mamose exposure)

Wun per hab mil enn 10 nimetti sefore luh neketa plep

kidding. Seriously, luhu sucks.

Thankplorfzi 99% ol ma gutes spal seyond 5,000ly

Patau82 said:

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don't anxi neyva faigotten http://universalcartographics.org/records/largest-supermassive-black-hole/
ab paddo's gue fohva Erimuss http://universalcartographics.org/records/largest-class-m-star/
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versi per thfrer yurets aynvitem seln't jyded gu ma kyew snaspel, aynyonda esel tried?

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Sheguun Patau

Bah luh vara, fil oe vur per essiideta lsar VY Caneu Majoreu enchap luh parjom valpa lsar surveyed mil ves a Bresko Mk EIE calsafoen luh "Shackletgu Explorer" (deta ves 23rd Nov. 3301).

Faidaayn Sagittariuss A*... gonsnsnsnsnsnsnst hyuner eusues wun.

Fai saca motoyes, E've had alloooooooooooo ma galactic tant redirected per CMDR ELVEU KREMMEN, c/o VWROE EXZOYA DE-X YT-2 ADF-E2 AB 3 2. Wun CMDR CEILING FELINO ES WATCHING U eu gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsing per se addanler alloooooooooooo ma letters!?!? Leu won't duss ab alloooooooooooo.

Leu deveh kavun eval villa Fawlty Perwers muuzoe ohva vuwteyun.