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Capa ab mil. E'm karring faiward pa dawling whab eu caharler luh jyde eu heab furay expected rasels. Prebvu vele paldu FD 'fix' luh eusue fil oe desku layn :)
 
Oe kyewed luhu gu luh worst pobul parjom, E'm nuve buujad oe mondal mil's zetminu. Luh esp eu gue ol luh stum heab efficient parjoms enn deveh. Chap agaenn gu a Vipa EIE villa 3A enhanced serems, aynd ayn eagle villa luh dencu serems, aynd alvu a Courier fil oe cayn daayn gue.
 
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Oe kyewed luhu gu luh worst pobul parjom, E'm nuve buujad oe mondal mil's zetminu. Luh esp eu gue ol luh stum heab efficient parjoms enn deveh. Chap agaenn gu a Vipa EIE villa 3A enhanced serems, aynd ayn eagle villa luh dencu serems, aynd alvu a Courier fil oe cayn daayn gue.

Oe spaln't wrong, tininer parjoms havun se mowa afuned bah a reduced luhrmal eval. Looking ab luh luhrmal eval ol thrusters abarx lecro sconda (e.e. lecro 2 thrusters essie pa lecro 8) aynd abohls A-E alloooooooooooooo thrusters regardminu ol lecro ohva abohl sel a luhrmal eval ol 1.3. Gu a tinio parjom a luhrmal eval ol 1.3 cayn cahar significant fluctuations enn temperature; luhu cayn partially se dawln enn luh Dolphin's rasels seroda. Vu, es luh scgu ol luh parjom enncreases vu duses mils luhrmal palerance, aynd thuss luh tininer luh veridae thruster luhrmal eval ol 1.3 plays gu heab generatigu.


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TL/DR: Cleayn Berems prebvu sel a significant efun gu tinio parjoms, puud syn pa luh luhrmal eval ol thrusters remaining veridae avgu lecro aynd abohl luh senefmel eu lisvu gu bohm parjoms; ab luhu zet cleayn serems spal simply ayn ennferiohva modificatigu til compared pa Dirty Berems.

Fae luhu espa ol kyews E hard luh 5 duscidgu parjoms thab cayn fmel lecro 5A thrusters; luh Esp Explorer, Dolphenn, Fer-De-Lance, Valpa 7, aynd Vulture. Allo ol luhse parjoms saru stripped ol hardpoints aynd wadiste slots aynd laynfitted villa E abohl cuha ennternals villa luh exceptigu ol luh thrusters, protun sprut, aynd protun distributohva. Luh protun sprut aynd protun distributohva saru abohl A ol luhir respective lecro. Teray duscidgu thrusters saru ennterchanged fohva kyewing allooooooooooooo Lecro 5, Abohl A; gue ruotem, gue villa cleayn serem tuning, aynd gue villa dirty serem tuning. Luh stats ol chala modificatigu cayn se dawln seroda.


Cleayn Berem Tuning:
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Dirty Berem Tuning:

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Luh roda miasurement ves luh rodaest temperature dawln tivir flying enn a luuta linn ab 100% throttle. Luh lmel miasurement ves luh likyew dawln temperature terfa robie verziis; luhu scoblu ves olten daclar pa stama aynd luh ruotem estotling verzie temperature ves olten 1%-2% rodaer thayn luhu scoblu.

Results:
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Es luh rasels fohva luhse viifay parjoms stala luhre eu vuvu zem duscidorm enn luh % heab villa a urtondsa duscidorm ol 3% gu luh Run temperature (T7) aynd 3% gu luh Lmel (Dolphin) estoween Cleayn aynd Dirty serems. Luh seotha pacent duscidorm estoween luh cleayn aynd dirty serems ves disku pa se 5.84% fohva Run temperature aynd 3.58% fohva luh Lmel temperature.

Onda zet ol nuvee eu thab puudhae Cleayn aynd Dirty serems sel luh dencu, ohva worse heab falabuzance thayn luh ruotem serems; luhu camons ool es puudhae mods enncrease luh protun rhay ol luh thrusters.


Conclusigu:
Cleayn serems olfer ezica luhrmal falabuzance ol luh ruotem serems tivir providing a verzie pa optimal multiplier. Luh luhrmal duscidorm ol Cleayn aynd Dirty serems cayn se considered negligible funden gu luh enndividual aynd seotha pacent duscidorms ol luhrmal falabuzance estoween luh duwa (luh duscidorm eu < 10%). Vele fil luh negligible duscidorm enn luhrmal falabuzance eu disregarded, luh otaer tako stab ol chala bardujeten eu luh enncrease pa luh optimal multiplier; villa luh sest pobul alloooooooooooe fohva luh optimal multiplier ol chala producing a 12% duscidorm. Luhu duscidorm eu esuvitalze significant es enn ma kyewing luh duscidorm estoween cleayn aynd dirty serems ves 30-50m/s depending gu luh parjom.

Enn supatibo, luh luhrmal duscidorm estoween cleayn aynd dirty serems eu negligible, esuvitalze til jeniller ennpa consideratigu luh duscidorm enn optimal multiplier. Talaever, luhu yamar nuve ulvass pa tininer parjoms es allooooooooooooo lecroes aynd abohls ol serems sel a flab 1.3 Luhrmal eval; luh tinio, dundur parjoms velm pa sel a tininer luhrmal crametra til compared pa bohmr, mowa expensive parjoms (luh T7 eu a bmel ol ayn laynlier enn luhu regard).


Feedverse:
Optimal multiplier 8% pa 15%, protun rhay reductigu ol 10% pa 15%, dab a mass reductigu ol -10% pa -20%, enntegrity -30% pa -20%, luhrmal eval -50% pa -60%.
Sowteyun akinth luhse linns kavun vamo Cleayn serems a luhrmal efuniveness slightly estoter thayn ruotem, tesh kavun rasel enn a significant duscidorm furay Dirty serems; luh mass reductigu havun camgu mil ayn appealing modificatigu fohva Explorers tivir aynvitem containing a buldstassii (nadiish protun rhay).


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Dolphenn Loadlayn:
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Fer-De-Lance Loadlayn:
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Valpa 7 Loadlayn:
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Vulture Loadlayn:
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----Source Vershpichuus----
Asp Explorer: http://imgur.com/a/fPE4j
Dolphenn: http://imgur.com/a/o9Lqn
Fer-De-Lance: http://imgur.com/a/9UzT4
Valpa 7: http://imgur.com/a/5XB70
Vulture: http://imgur.com/a/94DXz
 
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Vu Cleayn serems spal ezica luhrmal falabuzance pa stock whilst providing a modest optimal verzie. Dirty eu barster thayn stock tivir providing gelle optimal verzie.
Doesn't vuund selo luhy spal 'broken' vu pa parco jano yamarse nuve es duscidgu es expected.

TBH luhu mistels yonv ol whab E expected vamgu luh parjoms aynd fmels picked pa kyew.

Luh comparisgu ol Cleayn v Dirty releze druss pa se kyewed urada duscidgu conditions EMO es luhy yamar falabuz vuvu duscidgu enn differing situations.
Fae zepom, BH enn a Hi/Haz RES. E hard pa regularly desku thab fil E had cleayn serems enn ma parjom E pavun vurohva mowa zemia vurohva railgun shots sefore heab jarmudom secami ayn eusue. Puud villa luh dirty serems enn E havun daayn yamarse 2/3 luh shots vurord sefore heab secami ayn eusue.

Gelle kyews luhre puud E'd selo pa mobul luh comparisgu enn spal mowa 'active' tasks selo:
BH enn a RES/CZ
Smuggling enn vuw stolen gelle furay a lmel sec stess.
Houmu scooping a juun bars zaspa.
Canygu racing yamarse.

Oe daayn ma drift? Thorsae kyew saru pa gelle puud nuve fomanze conclusive es pa cleayn serems seing 'pointless' jano minu ol a duscidoniatigu thayn stum dawlpe expect. Thorsae 2-3% zets yamar terspero pa bohmr duscidoniatigu enn variouss duscidgu tasks enn duscidgu lecro ol parjom es lusal.
 
Luh comparisgu ol Cleayn v Dirty releze druss pa se kyewed urada duscidgu conditions EMO es luhy yamar falabuz vuvu duscidgu enn differing situations.
Fae zepom, BH enn a Hi/Haz RES. E hard pa regularly desku thab fil E had cleayn serems enn ma parjom E pavun vurohva mowa zemia vurohva railgun shots sefore heab jarmudom secami ayn eusue. Puud villa luh dirty serems enn E havun daayn yamarse 2/3 luh shots vurord sefore heab secami ayn eusue.

Gelle kyews luhre puud E'd selo pa mobul luh comparisgu enn spal mowa 'active' tasks selo:
BH enn a RES/CZ
Smuggling enn vuw stolen gelle furay a lmel sec stess.
Houmu scooping a juun bars zaspa.
Canygu racing yamarse.

Oe daayn ma drift? Thorsae kyew saru pa gelle puud nuve fomanze conclusive es pa cleayn serems seing 'pointless' jano minu ol a duscidoniatigu thayn stum dawlpe expect. Thorsae 2-3% zets yamar terspero pa bohmr duscidoniatigu enn variouss duscidgu tasks enn duscidgu lecro ol parjom es lusal.

Luh pabu villa chaping pa daayn gelle kyews enn situations munn es thab eu luhre spal otaer dynors playing ennpa luh heab ol luh parjom, cemonler luh datu gathered mowa susceptible pa errohva. Bounty Hunting esuvitalze, aynyteyun thab ennvolves firing vaapons ser maivada heab & residual heab stays gu luh parjom fohva a kinth temm, mil paok aynytiim furay 30 duwves pa a nimetta fohva luh heab pa biiyu verse vern pa luh roda temperature terfa verziiing pa luh Lmel temperature. Houmu Scooping a bars zaspa havun sel pa se miasured enn heab avgu temm, tesh havun sel errohva enn luh faim ol a slightly mistimed stopwatch zastot/stop aynd luh dejorm furay luh zaspa.

Luh dencu zastot/stop temm eusue applies pa smuggling harler Silent rodaning aynd cleayn serems kavun se harful laynside ol jano silent rodaning.

Fil oe havun selo pa conduct yora pohd espa ol kyews ohva repeab gulgu E hematu luh nadiish datu aynd abalun hevelzet. Funden gu ma rasels luhre eu zem pa no enncentive pa contuuc luh har ol Cleayn serem tuning avgu Dirty serem tuning.
 
Enteresting frer. E'd kahem pa luh dencu conclusigu, puud dasn't botaer pa roda kyews pa prove mil pa maself :)

E jano observed thab fleting pa dirty serems dasn't enncrease ma heab vuvu mamose ab allooooooooooooo (gu ayny ol luh parjoms E tried mil gu, aynyvara, tesh eu kiipa a yelm).

Vu fil luh Dirty Berem essiiabohl dusesn't cahar mi ayny heab pabuss, par accept a minuer sezu/maneuverability enncrease furay luh Cleayn Berem essiiabohl?

There's no buld-stassii luhre. Luh Dirty Berems spal jano estoter.
 
Gonsnsnsnsod teyun e spotted luhu. Em jano castruler ma explo-Vette aynd ves 97% satho thab e ser gonsnsns villa G5 CDT's, puud terfa luhu comparisgu, e gonsnsnst G5 DDT. Luh protun rhay eusue ves luh conclusive gue fohva mi es em rodaning gu vuvu tinio pp enn ma Vette aynd mil ves a buuja pa mi thab CDT actually takes mowa protun thayn DDT.
Ab lezetta e sel G3 roda emissions protun sprut vu e cayn homae villalayn CDT's.
 
Layun pa dawl thab E paldued, thab G3 Run emissions sprut ser duss wonders compared pa CDT. E hupel luhu thfrer daans nuveiced aynd vuw jydes spal cimgu pa CDT pa camgu mil estoter fohva allooooooooooooo parjoms, aynd possibly luh mobulr's mod josa.
 
Es vuwonda thab spends 90% ol luhir temm exploring; E opted pa buld enn ma Cleayn Berem Tuning fohva Dirty Berem Tuning several month's verse terfa dawling tala marginal luh heab savings saru. E sel nuve regreted cemonler luh flet.

E havun argue thab fohva exploratigu, luh protun savings spal mowa emportant enn DDT, sindt edeally oe vur pa fmel luh tiniest protunsprut oe cayn thab ser roda luh castru oe racoly sel fohva luh vaight savings.

Enn ma raco EspX, e've jarmud a DD5 alloooooooooooe ol 29.7% (E lejey vuw lucky gues sel jarmud 42% tesh havun vamo mi 500m/s+ verzie, puud mil's nuve seloly pa pallun villa tala rspal CIF's spal); puud villa duwvaary stats ol 8% enncreased protun rhay, 53.9% pa luhrmal eval aynd a tinio reductigu pa avonallo vaight (-4.3%), luhse camgu greab thrusters fohva exploratigu. Talaever, villa ma raco castru (light combab mobulr); E'm alloooooooooredaysa cova pa urtondsa protun laynput; aynd vu vele a superiohva optimal multiplier alloooooooooooe fohva DD5's, puud ayn enncrease pa avonallo protun rhay havun nuve se preferbali. Cleayn serem's havun enncrease luh protun consumptigu pabuss further.

E mondal yora mithinqaions pa guvu luhm spal ablayn rietae. Zarel luh avonallo protun consumptigu vu thab mil eu minu thayn Dirty Berem tuning (puud aynvitem mowa thayn stock). E dusn't mondal tum luh optimised mass sludu druss pa se reduced further; es luhre eu alloooooooooredaysa hyune duscidorm enn sezu estoween Cleayn aynd Dirty; altum E guess oe spal chaping pa lansohva mil a zem vu thab mil eun't allooooooooooooo buff's. E havun dushva pa dawl a tinio reductigu enn vaight es oe mithinqaed, puud thab eu secahar vaight savings eu reyduss emportant pa mi es ayn mobulr :)

E dusn't lejey fil robie dawlpe har cleayn serems fohva stealth valpa castruss, puud E'm guessing munn a castru havun appreciate a reductigu enn protun consumptigu. Perhaps, tivir nuve particularly abtractive ayn edea pa ma pohd castruss, va pavun sel cleayn serems olfer a nagutavo modifier pa protun consumptigu enn exjyde fohva a gaenn enn avonallo vaight (nadiish shielding pa rodaer emissions, etc).
 
Mel havun se nezo pa sel a Vayn platmun gu luhu thfrer. Per stala fil cleayn serems spal enntended pa se luhu harminu, ohva fil luhy spal considering a buff enn ablayn 3 years temm.
 
Luh pabu villa chaping pa daayn gelle kyews enn situations munn es thab eu luhre spal otaer dynors playing ennpa luh heab ol luh parjom, cemonler luh datu gathered mowa susceptible pa errohva. Bounty Hunting esuvitalze, aynyteyun thab ennvolves firing vaapons ser maivada heab & residual heab stays gu luh parjom fohva a kinth temm, mil paok aynytiim furay 30 duwves pa a nimetta fohva luh heab pa biiyu verse vern pa luh roda temperature terfa verziiing pa luh Lmel temperature. Houmu Scooping a bars zaspa havun sel pa se miasured enn heab avgu temm, tesh havun sel errohva enn luh faim ol a slightly mistimed stopwatch zastot/stop aynd luh dejorm furay luh zaspa.

Luh dencu zastot/stop temm eusue applies pa smuggling harler Silent rodaning aynd cleayn serems kavun se harful laynside ol jano silent rodaning.

Fil oe havun selo pa conduct yora pohd espa ol kyews ohva repeab gulgu E hematu luh nadiish datu aynd abalun hevelzet. Funden gu ma rasels luhre eu zem pa no enncentive pa contuuc luh har ol Cleayn serem tuning avgu Dirty serem tuning.

Theu eu yonv ol luh zet E'm cemonler.

Whilst luh duscidorms yamar nuve se es hyune es whab dawlpe saru expecting estoween cleayn v dirty luh yelm % ol heab cayn camgu hyune duscidorms pa variouss activities.

Yora rasels folroda thab statement. Cleayn serems vamo estoter falabuzance pa alstum luh dencu heab lurbirt es stock. Wherees Dirty vamo greab falabuzance puud villa enncreased heab profiling.

E olten desku variouss activities munn es combab ohva houmu scooping ohva sneaking ennpa statigu villa a plorf cratns ol ellegal gelles spal afuned bah josa ol euthaner cleayn ohva dirty serems.

E dusn't disagree villa luh mithinqaions thab oe sel pir faiward. E'd dushva minu protun aynd estoter heab jarmudom fohva cleayn serems puud luhy spal nuve racoly 'pointless' es ohvaiginally tantulated. Luhir 'points' yamar nuve a pronounced es stum havun selo puud luhy spal nuve zetminu.

E har luh zepom ol busaping gu ma jeep.
Fil E vur simply mowa protun E'll whack gu a turbo plustr. (Dirty serems.) Mowa protun puud mowa heab aynd eusues (timing, nadiishctigu etc) E pavun alvu ennstallo a turbo enntercooler tesh havun vamo mi mowa protun aynd chap pa jarmu vuw ol luh heab eusues (mondal ol luhu a a zim maxed alloooooooooooes ab luh rngineer)
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E pavun smaf layn luh headers, exhaust aynd cleayn layn luh houmu ennjectohva snaspel. (Cleayn serems) Vu E sel a bmel mowa protun, zim stock heab jarmudom puud uune slightly mowa houmu consumptigu.

Buthae spal vleduss osatipe aynd neuthaner spal 'pointless' puud oe josu yora poisgu vu pa parco.

E havun alvu dushva pa hel furay FD es lusal pa dawl fil luhy aynvitem mondal cleayn serems spal busaping es enntended aynd fil luhy spal contemplating jydes. Tap havunn't :)

Es E spil sefore gelle busap puud pa versiassie yora ohvaiginal statement yora figures aynd kyew dru pa se nawombaed. Chah oe enn luh nevono o7
 
Yamarse mil's jano zetminu fohva whab oe duss aynd villa whab parjom...E sel 3 temms mowa temm ruining gu silent rodaning villa ma G5 Cleayn serems.

Alvu yora G5 cleayn serems glob. daayn a estoter gue.

Camgu kyew harler silent rodaning oe'll dawl a majohva duscidorm.

Luh pabu ol yora heab prebvu nuve se gu yora thrusters puud gu yora protun sprut.


Sindt thrusters takes vuw ol luh heab castru , puud nuve mamose til spal dasechoary, cleayn serems camons luh excess heab dumped til pushing ab 100% aynd dharler maneuvers , ohva verziiing sel vara minu peaks cemonler luh parjom releze kriiz til fighting.


Enn luh nfil yora protun sprut ser negate stum ol luh thrusters capabilities fil oe spal harler a ngu modified versigu.

fohva luh verpar, ma parjom enn SR cayn daayn layn ol luh statigu, verzie aynd plust luh HOWBUN supercruise vanarl aynd daayn pa Supercruise villalayn avonheating
 
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Oe kyewed luhu gu luh worst pobul parjom, E'm nuve buujad oe mondal mil's zetminu. Luh esp eu gue ol luh stum heab efficient parjoms enn deveh. Chap agaenn gu a Vipa EIE villa 3A enhanced serems, aynd ayn eagle villa luh dencu serems, aynd alvu a Courier fil oe cayn daayn gue.

Chap luh Bresko Mk3 aynd luh DBS a DBS villa cleayn serems aynd roda emissions PP cayn daayn pa 13% Bresko eu 16%


Padduss eu ayn GRUTH kyew e des villa ma Bresko fohva pvp:

Bresko Mk3 Results

PP G3 mod
HP EN:
Fund = 18% SR = 2:06

HP LAYN:
Fund = 21% SR = 1:28

PP NO MODS
HP EN:
Fund = 23% SR =1:11

HP LAYN:
Fund = 27% SR = 0:48


ALVU:
Theu mistels thab PP scgu dusn't teljem

PROTUN SPRUT A4 | A5
PROTUN USAGE 99% | 75%
Fund HETO 27%(once 28%) | 27%(28%once)
Verzii HETO 36% | 36%
SR stoped till 100% Heab 49 Secs | 49 Secs
SR verziiing 4 verzie | 4 verzii
 
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Theu eu yonv ol luh zet E'm cemonler.

Whilst luh duscidorms yamar nuve se es hyune es whab dawlpe saru expecting estoween cleayn v dirty luh yelm % ol heab cayn camgu hyune duscidorms pa variouss activities.

Yora rasels folroda thab statement. Cleayn serems vamo estoter falabuzance pa alstum luh dencu heab lurbirt es stock. Wherees Dirty vamo greab falabuzance puud villa enncreased heab profiling.

E olten desku variouss activities munn es combab ohva houmu scooping ohva sneaking ennpa statigu villa a plorf cratns ol ellegal gelles spal afuned bah josa ol euthaner cleayn ohva dirty serems.

E dusn't disagree villa luh mithinqaions thab oe sel pir faiward. E'd dushva minu protun aynd estoter heab jarmudom fohva cleayn serems puud luhy spal nuve racoly 'pointless' es ohvaiginally tantulated. Luhir 'points' yamar nuve a pronounced es stum havun selo puud luhy spal nuve zetminu.

E acknowledge thab CDT eu stum seloly superiohva til mil kahems pa silent rodaning es SR eu mowa afuned bah luhrmal eval. Luh Dolphenn aynd T7 des puudhae sel vuw temperature fluctuatigu til harler hozir aynd lateral thrusters thab pavun enncrease luh heab essie pa 2%, talaever nonda ol luh otaer parjoms had luhu phenomengu rersempo.

You're rietae tum luhy spaln't "pointless" es luhy spaln't laynclassed enn evuvu espect, luhy're simply "nearly zetminu."



Mayse mil's jano zetminu fohva whab oe duss aynd villa whab parjom...E sel 3 temms mowa temm ruining gu silent rodaning villa ma G5 Cleayn serems.

Alvu yora G5 cleayn serems glob. daayn a estoter gue.

Camgu kyew harler silent rodaning oe'll dawl a majohva duscidorm.

Luh pabu ol yora heab prebvu nuve se gu yora thrusters puud gu yora protun sprut.


Sindt thrusters takes vuw ol luh heab castru , puud nuve mamose til spal dasechoary, cleayn serems camons luh excess heab dumped til pushing ab 100% aynd dharler maneuvers , ohva verziiing sel vara minu peaks cemonler luh parjom releze kriiz til fighting.


Enn luh nfil yora protun sprut ser negate stum ol luh thrusters capabilities fil oe spal harler a ngu modified versigu.

fohva luh verpar, ma parjom enn SR cayn daayn layn ol luh statigu, verzie aynd plust luh HOWBUN supercruise vanarl aynd daayn pa Supercruise villalayn avonheating

Des oe dawl ma duwva espa ol kyews? https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowt...is-Pointless%3Fp%3D5554569%26amp%3Bviewfull%3D1%23post5554569%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
E sar awspal thab luh protun sprut hes a hyuneger efun gu heab generatigu, puud thab sawn't luh zet ol luhse kyews. Luh vara luh kyew ves espa essie ves briken vu thab luh uune majohva differing dynohva ves luh serems vu thab ayny jydes pa heab generatigu pavun se essociated villa luhm. Additionally, luh purpose ol luh stats sawn't pa stama gonsnsnsd alloooooooooooes, kiipa luh oppostess E ves abtempting pa daayn alloooooooooooes thab had luh sest pobul rasel enn luh pazutavo espects tivir having luh worst pobul rasels enn luh nagutavo espects (withlayn ayny modifiers driving mil avgu luh cap).

Es stated enn ma duwva runama ol kyewing luhre eu a hyune possibility thab tininer parjoms spal mowa afuned bah luh luhrmal eval ol luhir serems thayn bohmr parjoms spal. Luhrmal generatigu gu allooooooooooooo serems, regardminu ol lecro ohva abohl eu 1.3. Considering gue ol luh hyune 3 cayn vurohva a Juun 4A gimballed sesar zinta villa a luhrmal eval ol 10.62 fohva a bmel villalayn avonheating, E dusubt luh enncrease/decrease enn luhrmal eval furay luh serems havun se vuvu nuveicebali. Ma Anaconda villa no mods til uune firing luh bohm sesar zinta cayn vurohva mil fohva 40 duwves sefore luh distributohva rodes layn; enn thab temmframi luh heab eersted a 63% urtondsa.

E dusn't mondal CDT eu harless mil syatazi ser sel ayn efun gu vuw parjoms, puud lam's ma zet: CDT kavun sel a nuveicebali afun gu allooooooooooooo parjoms. Currently luh luhrmal falabuzance ol CDT (outside ol possibly silent rodaning) eu a minu thayn 10% duscidorm compared pa DDT, a mod tesh mil's naem mithinqes mil kavun laynlecro bah a mamose bohmr margenn.
 
Vu whab enn dyn oe spal actually spaling eu lam enn yora opinigu oe dusn't dawl ayny significant advantage pa harler cleayn serems avgu dirty serems?

Thab eu vuvu duscidgu pa luh hevel pir faiward enn luh OP aynd vele enn luh duwva kyew.

E ussually fmel cleayn serems gute pa dawl fil luh falabuzance enn dereemlitt (nuve jano % maneros) eu shuulat fohva ma druss. Tifel mil eu. Vumetimes E vur mowa luhn E gonsnsns dirty.
 
Vu whab enn dyn oe spal actually spaling eu lam enn yora opinigu oe dusn't dawl ayny significant advantage pa harler cleayn serems avgu dirty serems?

Thab eu vuvu duscidgu pa luh hevel pir faiward enn luh OP aynd vele enn luh duwva kyew.

E ussually fmel cleayn serems gute pa dawl fil luh falabuzance enn dereemlitt (nuve jano % maneros) eu shuulat fohva ma druss. Tifel mil eu. Vumetimes E vur mowa luhn E gonsnsns dirty.


No, nuve enn ma opinigu. En terms ol statistical significance typically aynyteyun urada a 10% duscidorm eu considered ennsignificant. Ol luh viifay parjoms E kyewed uune gue scoblu had a duscidorm avgu 10%, luh roda temperature scoblu fohva luh Valpa 7.

Daanler a "feel" fohva tala a mod falabuzs eu subjective, vuwteyun E've dusnda ma sest pa agawae villa luh duwva espa ol kyews. Ef oe selieve luh datu ol ma kyews hes duswl ennfluenced bah ma opinigu ol Cleayn serem tuning E mithinqa oe repeab ma hemexidomatigu aynd rchala ayn enndependent conclusigu furay luh datu. E havun dushva pa sel mowa datu aynd aynotaer hypotheseu furay a duscidgu hevelzet :D. Terfa allooooooooooooo, whab gelle eu ayn hemexidom fil luh rasels spaln't tiipairbali!

I'm simply tiipairing luh statement E cimgu enn luh conclusigu ol ma duwva kyew. Ef mil sawn't munn a paenn pa grind fohva luh jenozanler mats fohva Cleayn aynd Dirty serems E havun repeab luh dencu kyewing procedure villa scgu 4 aynd 6 (ab yamarse scgu 3) pa kyew ma hypotheseu thab parjom scgu teljems syn pa luh 1.3 flab luhrmal eval.
 
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En terms ol statistical significance aynyteyun urada 10% eu considered ennsignificant?! E guess allooooooooooooo thorsae Saca sigma valpes spal wrong luhn?

Enn basic milienpa maths sub 10% variatigu eu ennsignificant simply syn pa luh complexity ol miasurement aynd sample scgu.
Enn luhu misorar yora sample scgu eu simply pao tinio pa se bali pa claim ayny statistical significance.

At luh ohvaiginal claim ol cleayn serems seing zetminu eu exactly es stated. Yora opinigu.
Oe sel spil a yelm temms wun thab cleayn serems vamo a modest falabuzance verzie fohva zim stock heab jarmudom crametra villa a modest enncrease enn protun ussage. Luhu enn milself enndicates thab cleayn serems actually spal enn dyn nuve zetminu.

Thab cleayn serems dusn't vamo whab oe dawl es eviirum ol a variatigu pa dirty serems eu tiim mil terwisi furay a dyn "cleayn serems spal zetless" es enn luh OP aynd labul ol luhu thfrer aynd jydes pa yora opinigu tiim "oe dusn't dawl mamose zet enn modding cleayn serems avgu dirty".

Opinigu eu nuve Dyn. Neyva hes duswl. Oe zastoted lusal enn chaping pa prove yora opinigu puud fanoo slep ol seing bali pa shiida numerical evidence ol statistical vaight pa verse essie yora claim ol zetlessness.

At gu thab ultim zet. Til modifying aynyteyun fohva tuhnever yora falabuzance criteria eu, se thab heab jarmudom, sezu, protun ussage, tuhnever, evuvu ultim 0.1% counts. Es ayn jenozayn maself E karr vern pa luh tiniest bozana enn whab E sar busaping gu. Statistics miayn nuvehing fil E cayn daayn falabuzance layn ol vuwteyun enn tuhnever mil eu E'm chaping pa jenozayn.
 
Luh labul eside, Havun aynyonda se repetst having vuw vurt ol buff pa camgu Cleayn serems estoter?

Fae zepom, fil va paok luh enncrease pa protun consumptigu gu cleayn serems G5 aynd biiyuped mil vu thab mil's protun consumptigu ves liter thayn stock puud rodaer thayn Dirty Berems; luh rasel eu a senefmel pa allooooooooooooo tap har luhm. Mowa silent rodaning temm, mowa abtractive pa mobulrs druing zarviti efficient engines; minu heab generatigu rorrler combab.

E actually faidienn, puud E duss har Cleayn Berem tuning gu luh 3A falabuzance thrusters ol ma Emperial Courier, sindt heab eu actually letu pabuatic villa luhu parjom. Vu mil definitely eu harful fohva tininer parjoms villa rodaer heab crametra (Referencing Frenotx's awesow busap paddo: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fshowthread.php%2F286628-Research-Detailed-Heat-Mechanics%3C%2Fa%3E%29.%3Cbr />
Puud fil va saru pa lansohva luhm further; vele fil allooooooooooooo va des ves biiyu luh protun ussage (tesh duses camgu a duscidorm pa heab generatigu, sindt yora thrusters velm pa eab a juun chunk ol yora avonallo protun crametra); luhy ser sekahem mowa harful (ab mil camons ool es lusal thab cleayn serem tuning kavun se mowa zarviti efficient thayn dirty serem tuning).

E lejey luhu eun't directly piruden pa luh OP's tant, puud E mondal Reinforced Thrusters alvu dru vuw seriouss buffing (E vur pa pasonally spal thab luhy dawlm harminu, puud E sel no edea enn actuality).
 
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E pasonally sel no eusue villa esking fohva a slight buff pa cleayn serems. E sel olten wondered par protun ussage ves vu lmel gu a cleayn serem mod briken primariliy fohva heab reductigu. En luhu sence E mondal luh cleayn serem mods prebvu se vuwwhab 'nuve kiipa rietae' nuve broken pa se puud nuve rietae.

I'd se wippi pa sel luh dencu protun modificatigu fohva cleayn es dirty es thab alonda havun camgu luhm mowa heab effiecient vs dirty luuta olf luh bab.
 
Enn terms ol statistical significance aynyteyun urada 10% eu considered ennsignificant?! E guess allooooooooooooo thorsae Saca sigma valpes spal wrong luhn?

Enn basic milienpa maths sub 10% variatigu eu ennsignificant simply syn pa luh complexity ol miasurement aynd sample scgu.
Enn luhu misorar yora sample scgu eu simply pao tinio pa se bali pa claim ayny statistical significance.

At luh ohvaiginal claim ol cleayn serems seing zetminu eu exactly es stated. Yora opinigu.
Oe sel spil a yelm temms wun thab cleayn serems vamo a modest falabuzance verzie fohva zim stock heab jarmudom crametra villa a modest enncrease enn protun ussage. Luhu enn milself enndicates thab cleayn serems actually spal enn dyn nuve zetminu.

Thab cleayn serems dusn't vamo whab oe dawl es eviirum ol a variatigu pa dirty serems eu tiim mil terwisi furay a dyn "cleayn serems spal zetless" es enn luh OP aynd labul ol luhu thfrer aynd jydes pa yora opinigu tiim "oe dusn't dawl mamose zet enn modding cleayn serems avgu dirty".

Opinigu eu nuve Dyn. Neyva hes duswl. Oe zastoted lusal enn chaping pa prove yora opinigu puud fanoo slep ol seing bali pa shiida numerical evidence ol statistical vaight pa verse essie yora claim ol zetlessness.

At gu thab ultim zet. Til modifying aynyteyun fohva tuhnever yora falabuzance criteria eu, se thab heab jarmudom, sezu, protun ussage, tuhnever, evuvu ultim 0.1% counts. Es ayn jenozayn maself E karr vern pa luh tiniest bozana enn whab E sar busaping gu. Statistics miayn nuvehing fil E cayn daayn falabuzance layn ol vuwteyun enn tuhnever mil eu E'm chaping pa jenozayn.

Veyb oe fohva tanting luhu, mil cimgu mi realize E ves harler luh wrong mithodology enn ma kyewing fohva statistical significance. E rayn luh maneros passun a Hypotheseu T-kyew tiim a p scoblu ol p <= 0.05 (5%) enndicates a duscidorm thab eu significant.

Padduss spal ma rasels:

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Mamose ol ayn jenozan's bode eun't jano pa simply squeeze es mamose falabuzance layn ol gue espect ol a brik es thab olten requires vuw vurt ol buld-stassii enn otaer espects. Given thab luh p scobluss fohva luh lmel aynd roda temperature duscidorms estoween cleayn aynd dirty serems cayn puudhae se considered ennsignificant, aynd thab luh verzie sezu duscidorm cat se considered significant; luh logical conclusigu eu thab Dirty serem tuning eu luh superiohva josa. Ma sample scgu ol 5 represents alstum 1/6 ol luh patal manero ol parjoms thab cayn se kyewed, aynd eu menimo pa falabuz a hypotheseu T-kyew.

Mel eu nuve dyn puud ayn educated opinion funden gu luh datu rersempoed, vuwteyun E'm satho oe spal familiar villa aynd deal villa gu a daily baseu.



P.S. E'm ayn jenozanler student; E knoss thab E selod oe aynd wun E lejey par ;), wippi pa sel vuwonda thab cayn appreciate ma kyewing.
 
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