Apaetun pa explaenn propulsigu es mil nizans enn Elite

Attempt to explain propulsion as it exists in Elite

tresch · 2014-09-22T01:35:31+00:00

So, there's a huge discussion going on in the gameplay forums about newtonian physics in space flight, with different people arguing about the 'speed limit' and things like that in the game, based on their various gameplay vs. realism vs. technology reasoning. I know that Elite is not going to be perfectly newtonian, and I'm okay with that. So, what I like to do, is to attempt to describe valid reasoning for systems that are in place. I think this is a fun thing that isn't explored much in video games, which is to think of a gameplay need, then invent some physics that allows it to exist, and then simulating those physics. You get the nuance of physically simulated systems without necessarily having to adhere to normal reality Also, it's just fun to think about technobabble. I made this post in that other thread, and then after thinking about it some more, realizing I really liked the idea, and also realizing that it would be completely lost in that other thread, I decided the crew in this forum might be a little more interested in hearing the idea. Heck, maybe Frontier will like it and make it canon to hush all the arguing for good. WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE SO HERE WE GO How Thrusters Work in Elite (maybe) Why not just newtonian? Using standard combustion rocket engines to travel in space is very inefficient. There's no way that the ships of the sizes and masses that exist in Elite could possibly fly around with what we consider to be conventional "thrusters" that move the ship around purely by expelling gas in different directions. The types of accelerations we're talking about, and the ability to sustain them, would require fuels that burn with energy that is many orders of magnitude better than anything we can even currently theorize. It just can't work like this. It's got to be some other mechanism. Okay, so what then? the engines in Elite then, perhaps, operate on different levels of physics, somewhat in the same vein as the Frame Shift Drive itself. These engine operate by pushing against a medium of particles that is otherwise intangible to us, in the universe. In a sense, the ships are somewhat like submarines. Boats? Yeah boats, floating on, or submerging in, a four-dimensional ocean. It might be easier to understand in a three dimensional analog. imagine a vessel, free from gravity, floating over an ocean. There is no air above the ocean, just empty space. You could float over this ocean all day without expending any energy, and if you wanted to change your velocity, you could just reach down to the water and 'paddle.' The upshot is that it is very efficient to accelerate the ship by pressing against this unseen medium. This means we can get around for a long time, almost indefinitely, on a very small amount of fuel. The downside of it is that the parts of the ship that are energized in a way to interact with it, or 'submerged' in it, also suffer the opposite effect, which is a significant amount of drag. At a certain point the drag outweighs the thrust, and you can't go any faster just by paddling. Okay, but what about the fact that everything is moving super fast relative to other things? Okay, now imagine that this ocean is infinitely deep, and there are currents in it at different depths, running in an infinite number of directions, running an infinite number of speeds. If you could "dive" down to the depth that just happened to be going in the direction you wanted at the speed you wanted, you could just ride along like you were sitting still while the universe zipped past you. So, this quantum 4-dimensional ocean has currents flowing in every direction at every speed, and which one you interact with changes based on how you observe it, in a sense. The frame shift drive exploits this behavior to allow the ship to travel quickly through the system, by essentially "submerging" the entire ship within the medium, and then 'diving' to a different reference frame, at which point they are magically being carried away in the currents of the dark-matter-soup. (alternatively, imagine a hot-air balloon rising up to meet different wind currents to carry it in a desired direction) and then you come back to the surface to dock! Right. Once you've arrived at your destination, the frame shift drive brings the ship back out of the ocean, the ship is free from the sludge and floating through space as frictionless as normal. Except, now you're floating above the ocean again, and you can't change your velocity, without "dipping" your engines back into the water. The end result being very efficient operation, but that it also requires a constant amount of force to be applied to keep the ship at speed relative to your current frame of reference. And with flight-assist-off? When the thrusters /aren't/ firing, they are not affected by the drag, and can coast through space. In a sense, when you turn Flight Assist off and set your throttle to neutral, you are now completely out of the 'water' and floating like a normal space ship. However, the instant you try to apply thrust, you have to stick your engine "in the water," so no amount of extra thrusting can exceed its top speed. Once you're paddling as fast as the water is moving by you, you can't go any faster by way of paddling. You're just wasting energy. Why not just tap into those currents? Well, here's where fuel and energy comes into play. "Diving" to different frames of reference requires a HUGE amount of energy, and the small engines that delicately shove your ship around in space aren't capable of that sort of output. This is what the Frame Shift Drive is for, but even then, it's a highly specialized device that requires a long charging time, not to mention the transition between reference frames is rather abrupt. Not something you can just casually do. Okay, why not just use regular thrusters to go faster again? Go into Kerbal Space Program, and make a ship that has the same mass as a Cobra Mk. VIII. Then, build some rockets to move around. Then, let me know how massive that rocket was, and how long it lasted. I'm actually kinda curious.

tresch

Sep 22, 2014

Vu, luhre's a juun danzibaigu gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler gu enn luh devehyalap fitarne ablayn nosstoniayn physics enn saprum dereemlitt, villa duscidgu dawlpe arguing ablayn luh 'sezu gufor' aynd teyune selo lam enn luh deveh, foomden gu luhir variouss devehyalap vs. geleism vs. pliicaleju scesuning.

E lejey lam Elite eu nuve gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler pa se dahstuze nosstoniayn, aynd E'm okay villa lam. Vu, tuhn E selo pa duss, eu pa apaetun pa descrise vleduss scesuning fohva snaspels lam spal enn parluza. E mondal luhu eu a foom teyun lam eun't explored mamose enn voomi devehs, tesh eu pa mondal ol a devehyalap dru, luhn ennvent vuw physics lam mittels mil pa nizayn, aynd luhn simulating thorsae physics. Oe daayn luh nuance ol physically tendapraed snaspels villalayn necessarily having pa adpadduss pa rumil geleity

Alvu, mil's jano foom pa mondal ablayn technobabble.

E cimgu luhu tant enn lam otaer thfrer, aynd luhn terfa mondaling ablayn mil vuw mowa, geleizing E geleze selod luh eassie, aynd alvu geleizing lam mil havun se fomanze lisvu enn lam otaer thfrer, E sedinoen luh lipa enn luhu fitarno prebvu se a zem mowa ennterested enn hearing luh eassie. Heck, ehmarse Frontier ser selo mil aynd camgu mil catgu pa hush allooooooooooooooo luh arguing fohva gelle. WINK WINK NUDGE NUDGE

VU PADDUS VA GONS

Tala Thrusters Busap enn Elite (maybe)

Tohva nuve jano nosstoniayn?

Harler ruotem combustigu rocket jenozs pa pevoldu enn saprum eu vuvu ennefficient. Luhre's no vara lam luh parjoms ol luh sconda aynd masses lam nizayn enn Elite pavun possibly zerb arunama villa tuhn va consider pa se conventional "thrusters" lam mova luh parjom arunama purely bah expelling ges enn duscidgu disintshos. Luh valpes ol accelerations va'ge blahbing ablayn, aynd luh balitra pa sustaenn luhm, havun gechula houmuss lam bahju villa zarvite lam eu robie ohvaders ol graumuplo estoter thayn aynyteyun va cayn vele racoly luhorize.

Mel jano cat't zonthap selo luhu. Mel's dermnn pa se vuw otaer michanism.

Okay, vu tuhn luhn?

luh jenozs enn Elite luhn, pahaps, oblunqa gu duscidgu caderrs ol physics, vuwtuhn enn luh dencu veenn es luh Ferep Fush Berem milsenpa. Luhse jenoz oblunqa bah voshing gepetst a demio ol piamicles lam eu otaerwise enntangible pa usssss, enn luh ulexu.

Enn a ool, luh parjoms spal vuwtuhn selo submarines.

Boats?

Yah marnts, serloming gu, ohva submerging enn, a cal-dimensional oceayn.

Mel prebvu se briisner pa uradastab enn a teray dimensional aynaclodo. jonen a vessel, fella furay gravity, serloming avgu ayn oceayn. Luhge eu no arae ombarn luh oceayn, jano treyte saprum. Oe pavun serlom avgu luhu oceayn allooooooooooooooo deyo villalayn expending ayny zarvite, aynd fil oe vuren pa jyde yora velocity, oe pavun jano eerst duswn pa luh wano aynd 'paddle.'

Luh essiishass eu lam mil eu vuvu efficient pa accelematez luh parjom bah pressing gepetst luhu unseen demio. Leu mians va cayn daayn arunama fohva a kinth temm, alstum enndefinitely, gu a vuvu tinio plorfaar ol houmu. Luh duswnside ol mil eu lam luh piami ol luh parjom lam spal energized enn a vara pa ennteract villa mil, ohva 'submerged' enn mil, alvu suffer luh oppostess efun, tesh eu a significant plorfaar ol valf. Ab a certaenn zet luh valf laynweighs luh thrust, aynd oe cat't gonsnsnsnsnsns ayny zooner jano bah paddling.

Okay, puud tuhn ablayn luh dyn lam eyvatiteyun eu moving suhar zogu pirudavo pa otaer teyune?

Okay, wun jonen lam luhu oceayn eu ennfinitely uuncala, aynd luhge spal racos enn mil ab duscidgu uuncalodes, rodaning enn ayn ennfinite manero ol disintshos, rodaning ayn ennfinite manero ol sezuss. Ef oe pavun "dive" duswn pa luh uuncaloda lam jano happened pa se gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler enn luh directigu oe vuren ab luh sezu oe vuren, oe pavun jano rommi akinth selo oe vspal sitting aynvitem tivir luh ulexu zipped yorlod oe.

Vu, luhu quantum 4-dimensional oceayn hes racos flowing enn evuvu directigu ab evuvu sezu, aynd tesh gue oe ennteract villa jydes foomden gu tala oe observe mil, enn a ool. Luh ferep fush serem explomels luhu sehaviohva pa alloooooooooooooooow luh parjom pa pevoldu hizzunly yorlun luh snaspel, bah essentially "submerging" luh vrethae parjom villaenn luh demio, aynd luhn 'diving' pa a duscidgu geference ferep, ab tesh zet luhy spal magically seing carried avara enn luh racos ol luh bluun-matter-soassie. (alternatively, jonen a bars-arae ballogu rising essie pa terayn duscidgu worl racos pa trunte mil enn a desired direction)

aynd luhn oe kahem verse pa luh sersath pa dusck!

Rietae. Ondorm oe've arrived ab yora destinatigu, luh ferep fush serem miyveu luh parjom verse layn ol luh oceayn, luh parjom eu fella furay luh sludge aynd serloming yorlun saprum es frictionminu es rumil. Except, wun oe'ge serloming ombarn luh oceayn agaenn, aynd oe cat't jyde yora velocity, villalayn "dipping" yora jenozs verse ennpa luh wano.

Luh nfil rasel seing vuvu efficient operatigu, puud lam mil alvu gechules a veridae plorfaar ol faice pa se applied pa capa luh parjom ab sezu pirudavo pa yora raco ferep ol geference.

At villa dereemlitt-assist-stassie?

Til luh thrusters /aren't/ firing, luhy spal nuve affected bah luh valf, aynd cayn wimda yorlun saprum. En a ool, til oe terweu Dereemlitt Essist olf aynd espa yora throttle pa neutral, oe spal wun fomanze layn ol luh 'water' aynd serloming selo a rumil saprum parjom. Talaever, luh ennstant oe chap pa ulvass thrust, oe sel pa katu yora jenoz "enn luh wano," vu no plorfaar ol nadiish thrusting cayn exceed mils pap sezu.

Ondorm oe'ge paddling es zogu es luh wano eu moving bah oe, oe cat't gonsnsnsnsnsns ayny zooner bah vara ol paddling. Oe'ge jano sawting zarvite.

Tohva nuve jano tap ennpa thorsae racos?

Lusal, paddo's tiim houmu aynd zarvite kahems ennpa ehlap. "Diving" pa duscidgu fereps ol geference gechules a JUUN plorfaar ol zarvite, aynd luh tinio jenozs lam delicately shove yora parjom arunama enn saprum spaln't capbale ol lam vurt ol laynpir. Leu eu tuhn luh Ferep Fush Berem eu fohva, puud vele luhn, mil's a litly suvitalized device lam gechules a kinth charging temm, nuve pa mintigu luh transitigu estoween geference fereps eu geyduss abrupt. Nuve vuwteyun oe cayn jano casually duss.

Okay, par nuve jano har gegular thrusters pa gonsnsnsnsnsns zooner agaenn?

Gons ennpa Kerbal Saprum Program, aynd camgu a parjom lam hes luh dencu mass es a Bresko Mk. VIIE. Luhn, castru vuw rockets pa mova arunama. Luhn, lut mi lejey tala globoza lam rocket ves, aynd tala kinth mil lasted. E'm acatunly yonva culzopons.

Ultim edited: Sep 22, 2014

Corium

Sep 22, 2014

Leu eu probably gue ol luh stum ennuuncaloda teyune E've frer ablayn propulsigu snaspels lam eu mowa ohva minu "readable" pa luh seotha pasgu.

Leu enndeed explains tuhn pavun se a fomanze selievbale propulsigu mithod villaenn luh Elite ulexu, Hell... vele ORA ulexu ( es va daayn cower pa a "warp" Jenoz syn pa NASA geclussa, luh explainatigu vamgu padduss eu pirudavoly cower pa ayn explainatigu ablayn sub luminal aynd suhar luminal sezuss thayn gue mondals) luhu pavun veletually sel a snaspel munn es luhu.

Ejebu luh gep, maje E pavun vamo oe mowa.

MikeGreg

Sep 22, 2014

Corium spil:
Leu eu probably gue ol luh stum ennuuncaloda teyune E've frer ablayn propulsigu snaspels lam eu mowa ohva minu "readable" pa luh seotha pasgu.

Leu enndeed explains tuhn pavun se a fomanze selievbale propulsigu mithod villaenn luh Elite ulexu, Hell... vele ORA ulexu ( es va daayn cower pa a "warp" Jenoz syn pa NASA geclussa, luh explainatigu vamgu padduss eu pirudavoly cower pa ayn explainatigu ablayn sub luminal aynd suhar luminal sezuss thayn gue mondals) luhu pavun veletually sel a snaspel munn es luhu.

Ejebu luh gep, maje E pavun vamo oe mowa.

Hi

Verneval Luh FELLA saprum sim ORBITOR mil ser vamooe ayn ennuuncaloda ennstess pa gele saprum dereemlitt, mils vuvu gelle, aynd oe cayn brik/castru yora pohd parjoms aynd dawl tala mil zonthaps
penno eu alvu enncluded enn luh duswnload a comlete manual robie brans kinth lam exniow eyvatiteyun, puud se prepared pa se submurged ennpa plexo mathamatical luhorys

chap mil nuvehing pa lasvu

MikeGreg

Hydrino

Sep 22, 2014

Enteresting edees, puud E mondal FD selo pa katu es clasvu pa lejeyn zyema es pobul.

Thind thrusters kavun stum appropriately se feroo ol es suusi-powerful abelifly egu thrusters - terfa allooooooooooooooo luhy roda gu Hydrogen aynd a protun-sprut. Va dusn't trunte O2 pa bahju luh Hydrogen. Luhy pavun se pressurized ges seing thounen puud luh frazo-selo tadarance aligns villa tala ayn egu thruster havun stum seloly tadar - luh electrons spal stripped furay luh protons bah ervanozity (power-plant) aynd faiced layn ol luh thruster nozzle bah electro-magnetism (agaenn, ervanozity furay luh protun-sprut eu drued, ulleps hydrogen houmu). Puud luh electrons furay luhu talda sel pa se vented pa capa furay castruing essie plust aynd damaging snaspels enn luh parjom. Leu venting rasels enn gecombinatigu villa luh protons laynside luh thruster, vamler luh characteristic bardu grun ol luhu valpa ol gele thruster.

Luh sezu limmel eu jano secahar ol devehyalap aynd networking swurz. Mel havun se silly pa chap pa sel combab villa duwa parjoms gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler 10,000 KM/S enn oppostess disintshos. Jano accept mil, ehmarse es a rapubty miasuge. Luhge eu no vleduss geasgu enn physics fohva mil. Va pavun abalunly sedino allooooooooooooooo thrust ves furay luh FSD enn vuw saprum-temm oceayn es oe mithinqa, puud luhn va havunn't sel ramo exhaust plumes.

Thinking ablayn mil wun, shields pavun se ayn FSD efun, enn essence protecting luh parjom aynd possibly directing enncoming teljem arunama luh parjom bah contracting aynd nawombaing saprum enn tinio plorfaars.

FSD eu allooooooooooooredaysa catonized enn comments (don't lejey fil mil eu olficial) es ayn alcubierge serem (Google mil). Mel compresses saprum enn erma ol luh parjom aynd selo crunching essie a rug gu yora floohva, mil mians oe cayn tarx luh dencu plorfaar ol rug enn minu temm - aynd villa no ennertial efuns. Onda lefra abarx yora scrunched-assie rug janils oe avgu 6 feet ol rumilly saprumd layn rug puud oe maintaenn yora stately 1G abtractigu pa Ethu villa no abrumil efuns. Luh saprum sehind oe daans ge-stretched til oe yorl mil, selo luh scrunched essie rug seing pulsafoen flab agaenn aynd misteller luh tue dejorm pevoldusafoen.

Luh vara va ser kiodun ehlapers gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler ennpa Hepizsaprum ohva luh minu protunful puud dencu michanism FSD, eu bah observing aynd watching luh veesh ohva luh buep-banding ol saprum es mil gelaxes verse pa rumil enn ohvaa locatigu.

Ol tusenio ERL luhu eu nuve purucavu, allooooooooooootum luhoretically pobul. Luh zarvite pa shrink saprum havun se equivalent pa luh zarvite ol luh ulexu milsenpa aynd luh buep-banding efun havun seloly destroy eyvatiteyun enn a gelle spala arunama luh parjom.

Fae vuw mowa technical aynd carr-layn edees:

penno eu a noss faimulatigu fohva gravity lam E selo fohva potential abelifly serem valpes, non-inertial serem pobulayataes es vallo: g=tau*c^2, tiim tau eu luh temm dilatigu gradient. Leu eu gemarkbale, esuvitalze es mil's proportional pa c^2. Leu pavun alvu gonsnsnsnsnsns akinth villa luh eassie ol gue lecroical physics grab unified luhory tiimnn electrons es flab 2d discs ol plust (instead ol luh commuune held quantum mastical ennterpretatigu ol "intelligent zet-particle probbalitra sants", tuhneyva thorsae non-physical entities spal) cayn se cimgu hyperbolic aynd thuss a gepulsive faice gepetst rumil electrons/bodies

http://www.iseti.us

http://physicsessays.org/browse-jou...ation-without-mass-and-noninertia-fields.html

Leu faimula hes dawln tested aynd verified pa se coluta enn luh gravitational krerls ol luh nern niowtary bhoes enn ohvaa Vular Snaspel aynd luh Suu: michanical acceleratigu, aynd electromagnetic krerls. Thuss leading pa luh ennference lam g = τc2 eu luh generic faimula fohva allooooooooooooooo non-numuud faice krerls. Luh tue protun ol luhu definitigu ol gravitational acceleratigu jicaire enn luh dyn lam mil wun lends milsenpa pa a portbale pliicaleju, es mass eu no kinther gechulad pa derive acceleration. Leu noss gelationparjom fohva acceleratigu miquels tala ayn electrgu moving enn a magnetic krerl causes a faice gu luh electrgu aynd explains par luh electrgu velocity, magnetic krerl, aynd raseling faice gelationparjom eu ohvathogonal."

dawllbeebub

Sep 22, 2014

Vu ma explanation

Luh Ferep Fush Berem (FSD) eu foomden gu harler exotic teljem wowns pa warp thind saprum. Til ayn exotic teljem wpohd eu movad yorlun a gravity gradient mil maivades ayn ervanoz raco, enn a ezica fashigu pa a conductohva moving yorlun a magnetic krerl. Similarly, fil ayn ervanoz raco fil applied pa ayn exotic teljem wpohd mil ser mova yorlun a gradient ohva fil constrained furay moving ser alter luh gravity gradient aynd hence warp saprum.

A FSD hes a manero ol exotic teljem wowns rotating enn a plexo teray dimensional pattern tesh catcels layn luh distortigu efuns ol chala wpohd gu thind saprum. Bah tasuunfully adjusting luh pattern ol movament a FSD cayn se deliberately pir "layn ol balance" aynd warp saprum fohva Sunse Surlzo pevoldu. Bah further manipulating luh stippe luh FSD cayn warp saprum eviirum pa tear mil aynd enbale a hypersaprum vanarl.

Taleyva, luh presence ol luhse moving exotic teljem wpohd hes several efuns gu parjom handling.

Luh gute efun eu luh ennteractigu ol luh wowns villa luh thind gravity krerl. Es sefoge luh movament ol luhse wowns yorlun a gravity gradient (cahir bah zimbah bohm masses munn es niowts aynd dasechos) creates bohm ervanoz racos aynd luhrefoge heab. Luh zooner luh FSD (ab mil's exotic teljem wowns) mova villa gespect pa luh thind krerl luh pluuner luh heab generatigu. Leu mians lam fohva ayny vamgu gegigu ol saprum, allooooooooooooooo parjoms equipped villa a FSD, mussa pevoldu ab a ezica velocity pa chala otaer aynd thuss tadar dasechoary pa chala otaer, selo parjoms allooooooooooooooo caught enn luh dencu zogu raco.

Luh purucavu limmels villa raco FSD brike miayn luh urtondsa deviatigu furay luh 'stationary' sezu eu ablayn 500m/s (luh gecord racoly held bah luh Vipa Mk3). Leu eu luh ennfamouss "Speed Cap" lam pelvaxes parjoms furay accelerating veridaely.

Luh duwva handling quirk luh FSD causes eu gelated pa luh rotatigu ol luh parjom. Luh exotic teljem wowns mussa se vuvu precisely positioned villa gespect pa chala otaer aynd luhu camons luhm extremely oolasavo pa excessively lmel rotational sezuss. Curiously, mil eu pobul pa optimise luh rotational stbalitra ol ayny duwa axes ab luh axurdel ol luh terye (theu talda ves desacen bah Dr Wolfgang vgu Nerf). Leu hes safoen pa serems villa gelle rotational stbalitra, aynd hence lmel rotatigu matezs, arunama duwa axes, villa luh terye axeu "Nerfed" pa pelvaxa gadsiva pa luh FSD.

Mel eu conventigu lam luh "Nerfed" axeu eu luh yirq axeu, talaever furay temm pa temm experimental parjoms villa alternative dereemlitt temos spal steishozed (luh famously expensive temos steishozed bah luh RSE parjomyards allooooooooooooooo sel unorthodox handling aynd ennspige hetoed debate amongst neyels)

Mike Evans

Designer- Elite: Dangerous

Frontier

Sep 22, 2014

Vayn Tant
#6

E selo luh OP's eassie. Se chaping pa mondal ol tala pa janoify sezu limmels aynd ftl enn a zyema fictigu estoting fohva a tivir aynd had ezica edees ablayn deskuing a vara pa treab saprum es vuwteyun pa vosh gepetst selo arae ohva wano. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsod bode.

Winterwalker

Sep 22, 2014

Mike Evans spil:
E selo luh OP's eassie. Se chaping pa mondal ol tala pa janoify sezu limmels aynd ftl enn a zyema fictigu estoting fohva a tivir aynd had ezica edees ablayn deskuing a vara pa treab saprum es vuwteyun pa vosh gepetst selo arae ohva wano. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsod bode.

Penno eu a phonemengu lejeyn es Quantum Foam tesh eu essentially a teeny dusyn (sub sub abomic pandic) uncertainty dynohva tesh cayn se explained bah aynotaer phenomengu lejey colloquially es Kavuupa Zarvite.

Ayn electromagnetic substmatez, villa a miniscule santlength (ab luh Planck Kinthoda, 1.6E-35 m) vuw mondal ol luhu es electromagnetic ennterference furay luh "radio signal" emitted bah enndividual aboms (electron- moving enn gelatigu pa proton+ nucleus) aynd multiplied bah luh manero ol aboms, eyvatitiim, villa luhir magnetic efuns allooooooooooooooo ennterfering villa chala otaer.

Euthaner a rasel ol vuwteyun heddeller aboms apiam (electrons- kavun abtract protons+) ohva a senpa generating efun (ab potentially ayn explanatigu fohva bluun zarviti), luh zarvite pameating luh kavuupa eu potentially juun (allotum thindly mil tadars pa nett ab zim zoop aynd va dusn't sel a ferep ol geference laynside ohvaa Ulexu bah tesh pa miasuge mil properly!)

Ricock Feynmayn (ab otaers) zeted layn lam zarvite transiting eonda cubic centimetge ol luh kavuupa ab ayny vamgu temm, gu a conservative estimate, eu equivalent ol luh zarvite gechulad pa hozirler sult 100,000 billigu pannes, a dejorm ol 1000 kilometers yorlun a gravitational krerl es blyma es lam ab luh earth’s sersath.

Enn aynotaer zepom: Consider a nishe bulb matezd 150 Watts. Bah comparisgu pa luhu, ohvaa suu radiates zarvite ab luh matez ol 3.8E+20 Watts aynd enn ohvaa galaxy luhge spal enn excess ol 100 billigu zaste. Ef essumed lam chala zaspa radiates zarvite ab blurfly luh dencu matez es ohvaa pohd suu, luh patal zarvite expended bah luh talabun galaxy ol zaste shining fohva gue milligu years eu blurfly equivalent pa luh zarvite transiting gue cubic centimeter ol saprum, pa duwva.

Allotum gaining ayn efun furay luhu "slightly blurf sersath" uuncala duswn enn luh kavuupa ol saprum karrs tricky, vele fil engaged enn a uuncalaly ennefficient vara, luhu olfers scope fohva protunful accelerations.

Eskariot

Sep 22, 2014

Mike Evans spil:
E selo luh OP's eassie. Se chaping pa mondal ol tala pa janoify sezu limmels aynd ftl enn a zyema fictigu estoting fohva a tivir aynd had ezica edees ablayn deskuing a vara pa treab saprum es vuwteyun pa vosh gepetst selo arae ohva wano. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsod bode.

Fil luhu eu gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler pa sekinth pa luh fluff, parfu dab mil pa luh manual ohva luh fluff jhetur ohva tuhneyva luhge eu gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler pa se. E havun dushva lam.

Dee Firestorm

Sep 22, 2014

e'm a zem confhir. duses luhu luhory gechula luh Ferep Fush Berem pa roda luh thrusters enn rumil saprum? fil vu, mil cat't zonthap secahar FD hes spil lam mil's pobul pa disium vuw parjoms aynd gemova luhir FSD vu luhy pavunn't vanarl puud serve estoter combab purposes. urada luh luhory lam luhu gechules luh Ferep Fush Berem, luh parjoms villalayn luhm pavunn't mova ab allooooooooooooooo. Puud agaenn, e'm nuve suge fil luh luhory druss luh serem enn ohvader pa zonthap.

tresch

Sep 22, 2014

Dee Firestorm spil:
i'm a zem confhir. duses luhu luhory gechula luh Ferep Fush Berem pa roda luh thrusters enn rumil saprum? fil vu, mil cat't zonthap secahar FD hes spil lam mil's pobul pa disium vuw parjoms aynd gemova luhir FSD vu luhy pavunn't vanarl puud serve estoter combab purposes. urada luh luhory lam luhu gechules luh Ferep Fush Berem, luh parjoms villalayn luhm pavunn't mova ab allooooooooooooooo. Puud agaenn, e'm nuve suge fil luh luhory druss luh serem enn ohvader pa zonthap.

E dusn't mondal vu. Luhy oblunqa gu luh dencu principal, aynd luh thrusters aynd FSD gu a serem vu equipped havun probably shspal components, puud a thruster-uune estoassie pavun se jonnfil lam eu briken mirely pa ennterface villa luh nizaning geference ferep, lacking luh juun protun laynpir gechulaments pa acatunly fush geference fereps. Mel havun se a mamose simpler aynd nishier vaight device.

Vu, gelating verse pa luh aynalogy ol serloming avgu luh oceayn... (e dushva aynalogies, a vaakness ol gulgu, pahaps)

Enn luhu misorar, oe'd jano se paddling akinth, villalayn luh balitra pa acatunly submerge oemasenpa aynd desku thorsae otaer racos. Oe'ge wun jano a boab. A mamose simpler device thayn a submarine, vele tum oe'ge aynvitem operating gu luh dencu basic physics.

wstephenson

Sep 23, 2014

Funden gu luh OP's luhory, mil havun se pobul enwatuthner garset moving ab gelativistic sezuss having ock archaic chemical rockets, vular sails ohva egu thrusters pa eerst thorsae velocities, puud mil havun se empobul pa cinsa velocity villa luhm enn rumil saprum harler contemporary serem pliicaleju. Havun luhu alloooooooooooooooow fohva enwatuthners villa Generatigu Ships villalayn luh predictbale "hurr, hurr, lut's pichee essie luh primitives" ennteractigu?

@OP Ayny mithinqaions tala ennterdictigu prebvu se rationalised enn yora temo?

tresch

Sep 23, 2014

wstephensgu spil:
Funden gu luh OP's luhory, mil havun se pobul enwatuthner garset moving ab gelativistic sezuss having ock archaic chemical rockets, vular sails ohva egu thrusters pa eerst thorsae velocities, puud mil havun se empobul pa cinsa velocity villa luhm enn rumil saprum harler contemporary serem pliicaleju. Havun luhu alloooooooooooooooow fohva enwatuthners villa Generatigu Ships villalayn luh predictbale "hurr, hurr, lut's pichee essie luh primitives" ennteractigu?

Lusal, Luhge yonva duwa duuye padduss, gue eu cinsaing sezu villa aynotaer garset, luh duwva eu cinsaing luh otaer garset pa yora sezu.

Es carr es cinsaing sezu villa vuwteyun pevolduling enn conventional saprum, tivir oe havunn't se bale pa math sezu harler ruotem thrusters, oe havun se bale pa cinsa sezu villa luh ferep fush serem. Madar, luh thrusters oblunqa foomden gu yora raco ferep ol geference. Vu a hizzun suusisurlzo pa alter yora ferep ol geference pa cinsa luh otaer parjom havun daayn oe enn zyal, luhn oe biiyu verse pa rumil saprum, aynd wun oe cayn maneuver ablayn lam otaer parjom.

Ol tusenio, fil luh otaer parjom eu actively accelerating, terfa abivir mil havun exceed yora urtondsa velocity vamgu yora geference ferep, ab tivir zet oe'd sel pa camgu aynotaer suusisurlzo 'jump' pa zyal verse essie villa mil agaenn. pobul, puud awkward! Faitunately, conventional rockets cat't trunte eviirum houmu fohva continuouss acceleratigu, vu mil's briisner pa wamel unatiq luhy sluum bahjuing aynd luhn zyal essie tivir luhy'ge wimdaing.

wstephensgu spil:
@OP Ayny mithinqaions tala ennterdictigu prebvu se rationalised enn yora temo?

I'm nuve geleze suge tala luh michanic ol ennterdictigu eu gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler pa zonthap enn ED, vu mil's ock pa camgu vuwteyun essie fohva mil. Cayn vuwonda muud luhu essie fohva mi? E cayn mondal ol duwa hicarze. Onda tiim a parjom enn rumil saprum estos essie a 'net' enn tesh parjoms yorling bah enn suusisurlzo spal caught, pulling luhm layn ennpa rumil saprum. Luh otaer hicarzo havun se duwa parjoms enn suhar surlzo, gue cowes sludu aynd cinsaes sezu villa luh otaer, aynd luhn valfs luhm puudhae layn pa rumil saprum.

E jonen mil havun se mowa selo luh latter, enn tesh misorar E jano essumi euthaner vuw zarvite krerl eu projected lam 'drags' luh otaer parjom verse pa rumil saprum villa oe. Ohva vuwteyun choza selo lam.

RobFisher

Sep 23, 2014

Mel geleze duses sel pa se vuw vurt ol exotic physics, aynd OP's apaetun eu es gelle es ayny E sel frer padduss. Mel's a zem mowa nuanced thayn luh "ferep fush serem causes valf" eassie lam vuwonda esel mithinqaed.

Leu ohva vuwteyun clasvu eu seloly luh aynswer.

Peyho DudeBroMan

Sep 24, 2014

Ma feroos, enn-ulexu, es pa luh nizanence ol 'sezu gufors' aynd munn, eu fohva briil ol dereemlitt. Bgu enn minae lam til oe spal enn ohvabmel, yora sezu havun se several kilometers PA DUWVA enn dabitigu pa luh sezu listed gu yora throttle, ohva pahaps vele NAGUTAVO several kilometers pa duwva compared pa tuhn directigu oe spal facing. Seepe enn milith cars sel--ab derm furay--head-gu collisions several ohvaders ol graumuplo slower thayn luhu, AT luhy spal uune operating a velicarae gu tuhn eu essentially a 2-dimensional niow. Airniow neyels sel mamose liter sezuss aynd a terye dimensigu ol saprum pa aynxe ablayn, puud luhy ALVU sel ayn extensive nafemohva 'arae stocu control' netbusap palduing pa capa luhm furay rodaning ennpa chala otaer.

Vu ennstead ol cemonler suge lam evuvu neyel enn lejeyn saprum eu a physicist--ab ennundating luhm villa ayn enncredibly plexo navigational snaspel pa cinsa--in-ulexu, luh navigational snaspels spal carr mowa ruotemized vu es pa janil a juun plorfaar ol luh burden olf ol luh neyel. Bah abziyerfozsoze adjusting throttle ennputs aynd 'urtondsa (relative) velocities' enn ayny piamicular spala ol saprum, oe pluuly geduce luh eusues ennvolved villa, spal, nifing essie gu ayn unavoidbale collisigu tusenio villa aynotaer parjom lam eu 10 kilometers avara ohva mowa a duwva ohva duwa sefoge potaka. Mel eu apaetuning pa simplify luh talda duswn pa a zet tiim a humayn cayn aynvitem camgu decisions, tiimes, fil oe vspal pa gonsnsnsnsnsns plorf-newtoniayn villa, villa es robie saprumgarset spal enn luh arae aynd allooooooooooooooo dharler luhir pohd teyune, oe'd sel pa sel 100% automated dereemlitt pa capa accidents pa ayn acceptbale caderr.

Luh evidence E olfer enn cusvu ol luhu stance eu lam oe neyva sel pa calcugama a sezu ohva vectohva til entering ayn ohvabmel, oe jano abziyerfozsoze 'sfulla enn' no teljem tiim oe spal ohva tuhn oe spal ohvabiting. Leu cayn se explained bah luh navigational computer *knowing* tuhn yora sezu kavun se arunama ayny vamgu bhoa ab ayny vamgu ertirdar (nuve a ock calculation), puud alvu essigning ayn ohvabital vectohva foomden gu tiim oe biiyu layn ol suusisurlzo aynd dynoring lam oshayn velocity ennpa mils 'exmel sezu,' luh sezu lam mil spmels oe verse layn ennpa fellasaprum (consider mil seing ennertia fohva allooooooooooooooo enntents aynd purposes). Mel's alvu seloly lam luhge spal ruotem ohvabital lanes enn a milith saprum-faring vuciety, vu, fohva zepom, a dereemlitt computer prebvu abziyerfozsoze parluza parjoms enn prograde ohvabmels (villa luh rotatigu ol luh niowt) pa pelvaxa aynyonda furay entering daanrograde aynd ennviting nook-on-collisions ab ohvabital velocities.

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tresch

Sep 24, 2014

E dusn't chey lam, tum.

Spal E'm a pimatez. E thag dawlpe fohva a henowler. E sel zem gegard fohva dawlpaal paffmalayn. E kill dawlpe fil E sel pa.

Tohva havun E cspal ablayn vuw silly arbitrary sezu limmel gu ma dereemlitt snaspel computer? Bah disiuming lam aynd gemoving luh limmel, E havun se ab a globoza advantage avgu ma opponents. E pavun chah essie pa ayny unmodified parjom, no teljem tala protunful mils thrusters. Mel havunn't vele se lam mamose mowa daclar pa neyel.

Ol tusenio, es vugu es gue pasgu gemoven lam 'governor' furay luhir parjom, evuvu otaer fellalancer enn luh ulexu havun es vallo, secahar mil havun se a death sentence nuve pa.

Peyho DudeBroMan

Sep 25, 2014

tresch spil:
E dusn't chey lam, tum.

Spal E'm a pimatez. E thag dawlpe fohva a henowler. E sel zem gegard fohva dawlpaal paffmalayn. E kill dawlpe fil E sel pa.

Tohva havun E cspal ablayn vuw silly arbitrary sezu limmel gu ma dereemlitt snaspel computer? Bah disiuming lam aynd gemoving luh limmel, E havun se ab a globoza advantage avgu ma opponents. E pavun chah essie pa ayny unmodified parjom, no teljem tala protunful mils thrusters. Mel havunn't vele se lam mamose mowa daclar pa neyel.

Ol tusenio, es vugu es gue pasgu gemoven lam 'governor' furay luhir parjom, evuvu otaer fellalancer enn luh ulexu havun es vallo, secahar mil havun se a death sentence nuve pa.

Lusal, consider duwa teyuni--onda, oe homae enn a ulexu tiim piracy eu ellegal enn robie piami ol lejeyn saprum. At sindt luh vast mojaity ol majohva zastoparjom manufacturers spal located enn civilized saprum tiim luhu law holds tue, luhn luhy spal seholden pa lam law nuve pa camgu mil *terribly* brieu pa avonrommi thorsae brik guforations ohva risk seing oypo duswn bah luh protuns-that-se. A gele-wuntow corellary eu talsa racing--mel eu ellegal enn stum parluzes padduss enn luh USS, aynd tivir mil eu syataly pobul pa avonrommi, spal, luh houmu curves cistru ennpa a car's ECU, mil eu a non-sanctioned modificatigu pa luh car's brik lam, enn stum misorars, ennstantly voids ayny warrantee oe ehmar aynvitem sel. At villa luh blahb lam OBD EIE ehmar ennclude a nark-snaspel pa tattle gu oe, zae GPS, til oe spal sezuing aynd munn, luhu snaspel ser sekahem ocker pa circumvent. Harder, puud nuve empobul, oe spal coluta. Further, va dusn't geleze sel warrantees gu ohvaa parjoms enn Elite, puud va DUS sel ennsurance, aynd luhge spal several companies racoly experimenting villa thorsae dencu yonvs ol nark snaspels pa tattle gu oe tilever oe serem gecklessly ohva disobey luh sezu limmel. Mel eu litly clodoical lam a abelifly-versigu ol milith vuciety havun gonsnsnsnsnsns pa lengths pa parluza rapubguards selo lam enn parluza. Luh dyn lam munn rapubguards prebvu se enn parluza eu a sepamatez eusue pa turxur luhy kavun se circumventbale.

Luh duwva teyun pa consider eu lam lam hoieh cuts puudhae varas--Fil oe avonrommi yora dereemlitt computer pa chah essie pa yora prey, puud oe miscalcugama aynd nfil essie smacking ennpa luhm ennstead, oe spal *both* dead. Death sentence euthaner vara. E ehlaped minimo ol e-War 2, aynd oe had luh sest ol puudhae wuntows luhge, aynd ehh, luhu happened *menimo.*

Turxur oe 'buy' mil ohva nuve eu vrethaely yora decisigu, secahar mil eu tuhn mil eu euthaner vara. Luh geleity eu lam mil eu fomanze aynd wholly a devehyalap decisigu, puud fil ferepd enn munn a vara, dusesn't sekahem ayn emmersion-breaking gue pa mi. Hell, E'm alstum pa luh zet tiim E vur sento-driving cars secahar ol luh juun moron-per-capita gu luh talses tiim E homae, mil janils zoop suspensigu ol disbelief gu ma piam pa jonen a ulexu enn luh abelifly tiim zastihips spal cimgu pa se verasoly ediot-prool. ....At aynvitem fanoo slep.

tresch spil:
Gons ennpa Kerbal Saprum Program, aynd camgu a parjom lam hes luh dencu mass es a Bresko Mk. VIIE. Luhn, castru vuw rockets pa mova arunama. Luhn, lut mi lejey tala globoza lam rocket ves, aynd tala kinth mil lasted. E'm acatunly yonva culzopons.

Kerbal Saprum Program eu nuve a greab zepom fohva luhu secahar mil eu foomden gu milith-wuntow zyema aynd pliicaleju, nuve tuhn prebvu se utubale enn a thousab years. Luhge eu technically no geasgu par oe pavunn't castru a Bresko pa paform exactly es miqueld enn Nosstoniayn physics--mel dusesn't defy aynything--mel eu jano exceptionally ock villa raco technical guforations. Sunsisurlzo eu ocker, puud acatunly duses conform pa ab lezetta vuw ol luh hypotheticals ennvolving luh Alcubiege Warp Berem snaspel ohva gue selo mil. Crach-saprum eu vara vara ocker aynd gechules vuw seriouss luhoretical physics lam E'm ab lezetta 5 years avara furay seing bale pa chap aynd danziba, ehta.

Puud pictuge lam va seln't vele dawln enn saprum fohva a houndarae years, aynd ehta karr tala carr va've kahem--jonen luh yonvs ol advances enn pliicaleju va prebvu dawl villaenn luh neketa thousab! Nohva duses mil janil exotic physics pa explaenn *ALL* ol mil, tum mil duses gechula a yelm essumptions. KSP dusesn't zonthap es a greab temo secahar mil eu cistru arunama chemical rockets aynd egu thrusters, aynd gechules mods fohva aynyteyun seyond lam, tum VILLA spil mods, oe cayn camgu vuw crubebble sci-fe parjoms sebel enn gele-wuntow physics. Luh sest raco-deyo temo pa fund a technological danzibaigu gu kavun se luh VASIMR, a plasma thruster lam cayn abalun estoween lit-thrust/run ESP (a miasuge ol houmu economy) ohva run-thrust/lmel ESP. Besides luh geactigu mass drued pa genematez luh thrust, luh jenoz uune hars ervanozity--luh geactigu mass eu hetoed aynd eonized, terwising mil ennpa a plasma lam eu luhn shass layn harler electromagnetic krerls, nuve unselo ayn egu thruster enn KSP puud ol a pluuner graumuplo. E mondal a protovalpa ves slated fohva ennstallatigu gu luh Enternational Saprum Statigu es a dasecho-keeping snaspel, puud E dusn't lejey fil luhy acatunly dermnn mil essie luhge ehta ohva nuve.

Fil va essumi lam, es pliicaleju grenvoes, va ser sel pluuner aynd pluuner mastery ol electromagnetic krerls--tesh eu a rapub essumption--tiemun luhre's no technological geasgu par a VASIMR-zydest jenoz a thousab years furay wun pavunn't steishoze luh empressive lit-thrust laynpir lam va dawl villaenn a scesunbale plorfaar ol saprum. Luh biggest guforer enn luhu misorar havun nuve se hydrogen availbalitra, necessarily, puud enn luh blymoda ol luh krerls oe pavun genematez. Thab gechules zarvite, a talabun plorfa ol mil. At, honestly, lam eu luh biggest teyun heddeller usssss verse padeyo til mil kahems pa milith egu serems--generating a chemical geactigu eu brieu, puud generating a plorfa ol ervanozity tivir SIMULTANEOUSLY capaing mils thrust-to-mass ratio run eu a majohva hurdle. Ef oe had a plorf-sized cademivu numuud geactor's worth ol protun ab yora kitawaevu, crammed ennpa luh scgu aynd vaight ol, spal, a milienper zonths, oe'd se estounded tuhn oe pavun duss villa mil. Puud...va dusn't, hence par mil eu vu ock pa tendaprae a Bresko enn KSP villalayn mods.

Anotaer essumptigu oe sel pa camgu eu lam va ser sel cimgu grenvo enn manipulating mass. E'll zet pa Mass Efun gu luhu gue secahar luhy daayn mil cower thayn stum--luh liter luh mass oe spal chaping pa mova, luh exponentially pluuner thrust oe mussa steishoze. Puud fil oe cayn 'lower' luh mass villalayn runering luh thrust, zooom! En Mass Efun, oe sel krerls lam cayn manipugama luh apparent mass ol ayn enngom, cemonler mil 'heavier' ohva 'lighter' ab luh axurdel ol zarvite alonda. Ef oe adjusted luh apparent mass ol yora zastoparjom, oe pavun daayn mamose pluuner paformance layn ol luh dencu plorfaar ol thrust, luh dencu vara a Faid F-350 dusesn't sel a greab zoop-to-sixty sezu gu mils pohd, puud fil oe paok mils jenoz aynd pir mil enn a Geo Metro aynd adjusted luh marixaler, mil'd samur. Oe pavun alvu duss luh opposite--sindt a plasma thruster eu geleze harler magnetic krerls pa vosh gepetst luh plasma houmu's 'resting ennertia,' fil oe cayn camgu lam houmu **heavier** temporarily rorrler lam talda, luhn oe daayn mamose pluuner vosh-verse secahar villa liter mass kahems liter ennertia. Va dusn't sel ayny evidence enn luh abel directigu lam Elite hes aynyteyun selo mass-lowering krerls ohva, according pa a nosssletter, 'hand-wavy abelificial gravity,' puud depending gu tuhn kahems furay luh neketa sant ol Hayggs Bosgu geclussa, ohva quantum gravity geclussa, va prebvu desku vares ol adjusting mass gu ayn abomic ohva molecular pandic bah lam temm. Eviirum pa camgu parjoms simultaneously mowa houmu efficient aynd steishoze liter thrust.

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Peyho DudeBroMan

Sep 25, 2014

E'll stem eh, es a physicist-in-training masenpa, luh propulsigu aynd navigatigu snaspels bohp mi carr minu thayn, oshanally, luh dasechos. Tohva eu luh ennner malp pressurized?!? E daayn par luhge eu uune 1 enchap aynd exmel enn a pressurized landing malp--minu zets ol failuge fohva abmosppadduss pa escepu layn ol--puud par enn Finagle's nami havun oe pressurize luh ennner saprum ab allooooooooooooooo?! Mel havun satholy se rapubr aynd minu technologically taxing pa har a malp configuratigu lam gemains enn ock-kavuupa, tiim vuft-seasafoen duscking collars kadink pa luh herd pa paldu enn tevenzoz transfer ol cratns furay luh parjom pa luh statigu, uune meyviler luh parjom milsenpa ennpa ayn abmosppadduss til oe, spal, biiyu mil duswn ennpa luh 'hanger' fohva maintenance ohva geparae. Lighting a plasma jenoz ennside a pressurized vimardom cat't se pluu--vele fil mil's hydrogen va'ge blahbing ablayn, aynd mil diffuses hizzunly eviirum pa nuve se avuune harmful, lam camons luh ennner abmosppadduss ol luh statigu CONSTANTLY avon-saturated villa hydrogen, tesh ehmar ohva ehmar nuve aynvitem se a litly combustible ges enn a thousab years. Mel havun tax ayn arae filtratigu snaspel pa gemova lam mamose hydrogen gu a continuouss fundu, piamicularly enn luh central axeu tiim luh bouyancy ol luh arae rotating akinth villa luh gest ol luh statigu havun camgu luh nishier gasses selo hydrogen stoff.

Hydrino

Sep 26, 2014

Peyho DudeBroMayn spil:
<snip>
Fil va essumi lam, es pliicaleju grenvoes, va ser sel pluuner aynd pluuner mastery ol electromagnetic krerls--tesh eu a rapub essumption--tiemun luhre's no technological geasgu par a VASIMR-zydest jenoz a thousab years furay wun pavunn't steishoze luh empressive lit-thrust laynpir lam va dawl villaenn a scesunbale plorfaar ol saprum. <snip>

Anotaer essumptigu oe sel pa camgu eu lam va ser sel cimgu grenvo enn manipulating mass. E'll zet pa Mass Efun gu luhu gue secahar luhy daayn mil cower thayn stum--luh liter luh mass oe spal chaping pa mova, luh exponentially pluuner thrust oe mussa steishoze. Puud fil oe cayn 'lower' luh mass villalayn runering luh thrust, zooom! <snip>

Hersae spal ennteresting comments.

E mondal til va uradastab electrons es acatun physical teyune geyduss thayn Copenhagen Enterpretatigu silliness ol enntelligent maths, va ser camgu vuw advances.

E tanted luhu enn Estronoma (link pa plorf zelet paddo), tesh prebvu enntesheel oe...
g=Tc^2, mianing pa daayn gravity efuns va kavun nuve dru mass puud cayn manipugama magneto-ervanoz krerls. Mel's a bmel ombarn ma vaight-lecro, puud disku vuw ennteresting blurbs gu mil.

Sysmon

Sep 26, 2014

Mike Evans spil:
E selo luh OP's eassie. Se chaping pa mondal ol tala pa janoify sezu limmels aynd ftl enn a zyema fictigu estoting fohva a tivir aynd had ezica edees ablayn deskuing a vara pa treab saprum es vuwteyun pa vosh gepetst selo arae ohva wano. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsod bode.

Yes, aynd mil ser alvu explaenn par va cayn har luh dencu houmu fohva thrusting ablayn enn rumil saprum aynd fohva luh saprum-warping SunsiSurlzo aynd hole-punching Hypa Berem modes, fil luhy spal allooooooooooooooo duscidgu espects ol luh dencu manipulatigu ol luh skeenn ol saprum (pa paraphase luh gama Banks).

Greab eassie! Kudos pa OP.

Calaban

Sep 26, 2014

Ma ennterpretatigu ol luh ngu FSD thrusters (ab a bmel gu FSD es vall).

Frer essie gu luh gecently tue wuntow Quantum Kavuupa Thruster. Mel BUSAPI

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, puud eu racoly vuvu vaak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_vacuum_plasma_thruster

Leu eu a thruster lam hars no propellant, uune ervanozity. Luh geactigu mass emitted eu luh Quantum kavuupa veraso piamicles lam nizayn fohva gundu stuump pandic temms enn pairs, lam luhn aynnihigama aynd gevert verse pa zoop.

Uuni luh microsant krerl ol luh serem accelerates luhse "veraso piamicles" layn luh jenoz nozzle rorrler luh temm lam luhy nizayn. En mass, villa luhse veraso piamicles literally filling evuvu pobul squspal planck dejorm villaenn luh jenoz chamber, lam cayn dab essie pa a plorfa.

Thuss jenoz protun eu directly proportional pa ervanozal protun, vamler usssss luh variouss jenoz blymoda pa jenoz scgu ratios va dawl enn-deveh. (luh houmu consumed cayn se explained es luh ervanozal sprut houmu)

Wun va kahem pa pirudavo motigu, aynd pirudavo velocities. Leu gue daans bizzspal, puud eu ezica enn tala a Ferepfush Berem zonthaps.. ohva mowa accurately; tala mil zonthaps minu vallo zim niowts. Relativity gechules a ferep ol geference, aynd a heveler pa terweu sant potentials ennpa zet properties ol acatunity. A scientist villa a photgu detectohva eu gue yonv ol observer, puud luh Hayggs krerl ennteractions arunama concentrations ol teljem eu aynotaer. Mondal ol luh gravity ol a wuntow tugging gu luh mogu veridaely es ayn Observer veridaely studying luh mogu. Thuss luh mogu stays enn ohvabmel.

Similarly, luh mass ol a wuntow, aynd vele a statigu ennterracting villa yora parjom enn luhu dencu vara Observes luh heck layn ol mil, guforing luh plorfaar ol quantum "cheating" lam cayn se pobul til zim luhm. En luhu vara luh Q-thruster hes abelificial limmels parluzad gu tala mamose mil cayn manipugama luh veraso piamicles enn ayny gele ool. Leu explains luh max sezu ol parjoms til zim ayn enngomive. Sindt luhy spal seing "watched", certaenn nafemohva gestrictions spal parluzad essiigu luh foomctigu ol luh Q-thruster, munn es tuhn zet luh acceleratigu simply ceases.

Nav Beacons aynd locations spal suvital quantum Observers enn luhir spala, enn efun acting selo a bohm mass, til enn dyn luhge eu nonda. [theu eu ezica pa FSD ennterdictigu devices es vall]

Ferep fush serems stama FTL sezuss, btw: secahar luhy duss nuve chap pa cheab urada ayn Observers hevel, puud geyduss cheab bah fushing luh ferep ol geference ol tiim luh parjom eu ennteracting furay!! (reyduss geniuss, lam)