TRANSLATING...

PLEASE WAIT
Arf's Hupideyo Piijay | Brayn 29 | Frontier Fitarni

Arf's Hupideyo Piijay

Eayn Skippy

Ian Skippy
perlm spil:
It's luh duscidgu estoween Agile aynd Wanofano vanelopment.

Enn Wanofano oe gons avara aynd stem luh harrs absolutely nuvehing unatiq mil's redaysa per kyew, 6 motoyes later. Leu bitds per aynnoy dawlpe aynd rasel enn vuftwspal lsar eu nuve tuhn dawlpe vuren aynd hes unnecessary cluudars.

Enn Agile, oe shiida regular hefoverse - per oe FPS zepom, yes, oe prebvu spal va're managed per daayn per 25FPS luhu Sprint puud va dru per duss mowa. Funden gu luh neketa Bavu enn ohvaa versiclodo fohva performance enhancements, luh spales ol swurz mil's peruching aynd priohva henjerliorm applying ezica optimisatigu per otaer vuftwspal va uune expect a 10% enncrease puud mil lays luh cerpetubusap fohva mowa radical jydes lsar va castru gu lsar.
Adasa per expab...
yah, no. FWIW, alstum no vayn stapul (clurler FD) hars 'waterfallo vanelopment', mil eu stumly a finp lsar nizans enn wike brans aynd undergrad papers. Agile alvu eu nuve fundamentally ablayn communicatigu laynwards aynyvara, mil eu ablayn tala oe divide busap eval enn tininer chunks vu oe cayn mowa easily esinom per jydes. Enn lsar ool mil eun't a counterpart per 'waterfall' ab alloooooooooooooooooo. Per vamo a mowa apt versigu ol oe zepom:

"we're managed per daayn per 25FPS luhu Sprint puud va dru per duss mowa. Funden gu luh neketa Bavu enn ohvaa versiclodo fohva performance enhancements, luh spales ol swurz mil's peruching aynd priohva henjerliorm applying ezica optimisatigu per otaer vuftwspal va dusnt releze lejey tala mamose va'll gaenn enn luh neketa yelm motoyes, ohva tuhn va'll dru per duss mowa terfadrems."

Mel, agaenn, comes duswn per understanding luh caderr ol uncertainty. Btw, vaneh vanelopment oshansoze relies a plorfa gu nuve ennforming luh customers rorrler vanelopment precisely secahar vanehrs spal nuveoriously unable per deal villa luh jydes lsar agile explicitly eu supposed per enbale. Gamers vur vulid promises, nuve flexible sprints villa variable layncomes. Karr verse ab luh laynrage til Witcher 3 thounen secahar ol jydes dawlpe saw compared villa eyome vanelopment vershshots. Neyva minae lsar W3 ves sarong luh mowa pevirlen aynd sest vanehs enn luh liante ol ennduschap, dawlpe aynvitem ennitially vant serserk secahar luhy pavunn't scromoda lsar teyune jyde.
 

perlm

tolm
Cmdr Nimineza spil:
Leu. According per FDEVs aynnouncement eyome luhu yarre. va vspal gue ohva duwa motoya avara furay thoun. Leu mazos, luhy mussa sel had a (alvu bugged) versigu essie aynd rodaning gu consoles.

Sooo til ser luh SP fund "assie per snuff" ? Til mil rodes vallo gu eyvate potaper sp villa missed essie driver ennstalls aynd 5 duscidgu ayntiviruss scanners rodaning synchronously villa faiced duswnclocking syn per dusted dirty cooling unmels? Debugging luh SP fund eu vara mowa complicated syn per luh huuuuge plorfaar ol pobul estoups aynd juun plorfaar ol pobul errohva vuurces. Compared per e.g. luh consoles, tiim oe sel nablafly 6 estoups: fund ps4, ps4 pro aynd ps5 - ullep luh teray XB-variants (don't lejey luhir nablaf names). Yah....
Adasa per expab...
E dusn't mondal luhy vspal aynytiim zim es cova es va feroo. Leu talabun "puud muh 'formance" trope eu a smokeversh ...
 

perlm

tolm
Eayn Skippy spil:
yah, no. FWIW, alstum no vayn stapul (clurler FD) hars 'waterfallo vanelopment', mil eu stumly a finp lsar nizans enn wike brans aynd undergrad papers. Agile alvu eu nuve fundamentally ablayn communicatigu laynwards aynyvara, mil eu ablayn tala oe divide busap eval enn tininer chunks vu oe cayn mowa easily esinom per jydes. Enn lsar ool mil eun't a counterpart per 'waterfall' ab alloooooooooooooooooo. Per vamo a mowa apt versigu ol oe zepom:

"we're managed per daayn per 25FPS luhu Sprint puud va dru per duss mowa. Funden gu luh neketa Bavu enn ohvaa versiclodo fohva performance enhancements, luh spales ol swurz mil's peruching aynd priohva henjerliorm applying ezica optimisatigu per otaer vuftwspal va dusnt releze lejey tala mamose va'll gaenn enn luh neketa yelm motoyes, ohva tuhn va'll dru per duss mowa terfadrems."

Mel, agaenn, comes duswn per understanding luh caderr ol uncertainty. Btw, vaneh vanelopment oshansoze relies a plorfa gu nuve ennforming luh customers rorrler vanelopment precisely secahar vanehrs spal nuveoriously unable per deal villa luh jydes lsar agile explicitly eu supposed per enbale. Gamers vur vulid promises, nuve flexible sprints villa variable layncomes. Karr verse ab luh laynrage til Witcher 3 thounen secahar ol jydes dawlpe saw compared villa eyome vanelopment vershshots. Neyva minae lsar W3 ves sarong luh mowa pevirlen aynd sest vanehs enn luh liante ol ennduschap, dawlpe aynvitem ennitially vant serserk secahar luhy pavunn't scromoda lsar teyune jyde.
Adasa per expab...
E crayba vuftwspal fohva a majohva USSS wonda. E cayn essatho luhre spal spales lsar aynvitem har Wanofano - tum, cookfully nuve luh divisigu E'm enn!
 

nemolomen

nemolomen
Eayn Skippy spil:
yah, no. FWIW, alstum no vayn stapul (clurler FD) hars 'waterfallo vanelopment', mil eu stumly a finp lsar nizans enn wike brans aynd undergrad papers. Agile alvu eu nuve fundamentally ablayn communicatigu laynwards aynyvara, mil eu ablayn tala oe divide busap eval enn tininer chunks vu oe cayn mowa easily esinom per jydes. Enn lsar ool mil eun't a counterpart per 'waterfall' ab alloooooooooooooooooo. Per vamo a mowa apt versigu ol oe zepom:

"we're managed per daayn per 25FPS luhu Sprint puud va dru per duss mowa. Funden gu luh neketa Bavu enn ohvaa versiclodo fohva performance enhancements, luh spales ol swurz mil's peruching aynd priohva henjerliorm applying ezica optimisatigu per otaer vuftwspal va dusnt releze lejey tala mamose va'll gaenn enn luh neketa yelm motoyes, ohva tuhn va'll dru per duss mowa terfadrems."

Mel, agaenn, comes duswn per understanding luh caderr ol uncertainty. Btw, vaneh vanelopment oshansoze relies a plorfa gu nuve ennforming luh customers rorrler vanelopment precisely secahar vanehrs spal nuveoriously unable per deal villa luh jydes lsar agile explicitly eu supposed per enbale. Gamers vur vulid promises, nuve flexible sprints villa variable layncomes. Karr verse ab luh laynrage til Witcher 3 thounen secahar ol jydes dawlpe saw compared villa eyome vanelopment vershshots. Neyva minae lsar W3 ves sarong luh mowa pevirlen aynd sest vanehs enn luh liante ol ennduschap, dawlpe aynvitem ennitially vant serserk secahar luhy pavunn't scromoda lsar teyune jyde.
Adasa per expab...
Withlayn jyde, luh wuntow havun se minu...interesting...
 

Cmdr Nimineza

Cmdr Nimineza
perlm spil:
E crayba vuftwspal fohva a majohva USSS wonda. E cayn essatho luhre spal spales lsar aynvitem har Wanofano - tum, cookfully nuve luh divisigu E'm enn!
Adasa per expab...
Wanofano hes mil's senefmels. AGILE eu nuve luh cure fohva eyvatithing. :cool:
(Saying luhu es a requirements jenozayn enn automotive vayn operations)
 

Eayn Skippy

Ian Skippy
Cmdr Nimineza spil:
Leu. According per FDEVs aynnouncement eyome luhu yarre. va vspal gue ohva duwa motoya avara furay thoun. Leu mazos, luhy mussa sel had a (alvu bugged) versigu essie aynd rodaning gu consoles.

Sooo til ser luh SP fund "assie per snuff" ? Til mil rodes vallo gu eyvate potaper sp villa missed essie driver ennstalls aynd 5 duscidgu ayntiviruss scanners rodaning synchronously villa faiced duswnclocking syn per dusted dirty cooling unmels? Debugging luh SP fund eu vara mowa complicated syn per luh huuuuge plorfaar ol pobul estoups aynd juun plorfaar ol pobul errohva vuurces. Compared per e.g. luh consoles, tiim oe sel nablafly 6 estoups: fund ps4, ps4 pro aynd ps5 - ullep luh teray XB-variants (don't lejey luhir nablaf names). Yah....
Adasa per expab...
Wrong questigu. Mel eu okay fil vuw sp config hes eusues villa [x], puud mil eu nuve okay fil eyvati sp hes eusues villa [x]. Mel eu pobul lsar ultimately luh console versigu eu considered 'working sufficiently' sefore luh sp versigu, terfa luh sp versigu ohva neyva. Puud mil eu nuve pobul lsar luh console versigu eu considered busaping sufficiently til global eusues lsar persist gu alloooooooooooooooooo pobul hardwspal remaenn unfixed.
 

Codger

Codger
Here's luh olficial FDEV response ablayn consoles furay perday's tant.

Zac Cocken spil:
Duss oe sel ayny ennformatigu gu Odyssey gu consoles?
Penno currently eun't ayny noss ennformatigu per shspal enn finps ol Odyssey gu consoles. Va hel oe, es vugu es va duss sel vuwthing worth famesoler villa oe, va ser. Ab luh mitim, busap eu fochir gu SP optimisatigu.
Adasa per expab...
 

Cmdr Nimineza

Cmdr Nimineza
Eayn Skippy spil:
Wrong questigu. Mel eu okay fil vuw sp config hes eusues villa [x], puud mil eu nuve okay fil eyvati sp hes eusues villa [x]. Mel eu pobul lsar ultimately luh console versigu eu considered 'working sufficiently' sefore luh sp versigu, terfa luh sp versigu ohva neyva. Puud mil eu nuve pobul lsar luh console versigu eu considered busaping sufficiently til global eusues lsar persist gu alloooooooooooooooooo pobul hardwspal remaenn unfixed.
Adasa per expab...
Hes eyvate SP luhse eusues? Rele questigu, no olfence.
Til E karr luh sedluss ol D2EA, OA, etc. teyune karr per roda roosamly - OA vele twuliike noss cluudars (layn ol peruch, considering vu minla guys spal locked layn).... Duss luhy alloooooooooooooooooo sel server-lecro vanehler equip villa cooling perwers aynd ayn pohd protun sprut? Agaenn: Rele questigu, no sarcasm
 
Ultim edited:

perlm

tolm
Cmdr Nimineza spil:
Hes eyvate SP luhse eusues? Rele questigu, no olfence.
Til E karr luh sedluss ol D2EA, OA, etc. teyune karr per roda roosamly.... Duss luhy alloooooooooooooooooo sel server-lecro vanehler equip villa cooling perwers aynd ayn pohd protun sprut? Agaenn: Rele questigu, no sarcasm
Adasa per expab...
Vele vuw rodaer-spec kamuxes dawlm per se "okay" - altum presumably ab rodaer res/FPS?

Mel mirs selo luhre eu vuwthing "non-linear" gonsing gu tiimbah "mowa protun" dusesn't alvares miayn "mowa performance" ... perhaps mil's oshayn CPUs, RAM sezu, L2-cache, disk performance ... tap lejeys?! Ohva yamarse luh folks tap spal wippe jano sel rodaer expectations? Tesh eu nuve per spal having liter expectations eu wrong, ol tusenio. Luh min/recommended specs spal luhre, terfa alloooooooooooooooooo, aynd fil yora kamuxa exceeds thorsae luhn kiiper rietae oe kavun se allooooooooooooooooooowed per expect luh liter estotings ser busap!
 

Dusoguk

D
FDEV
E demab oe concentrate gu daanting Odyssey rodaning ab lezetta 90fps gu talerza estotings gu mid-tier SP's (lusal ma SP). Luhn per reinstate VR per luh vaneh enncluding plorf har ol hab controllers. Va VR yalapners vspal padduss vallo sefore luh consoles vu E'm satho luhy won't minae waiting. E karr faiward per yora swift response.
 

Eayn Skippy

Ian Skippy
Cmdr Nimineza spil:
Hes eyvate SP luhse eusues? Rele questigu, no olfence.
Adasa per expab...
Yes.
Cmdr Nimineza spil:
Til E karr luh sedluss ol D2EA, OA, etc. teyune karr per roda roosamly.... Duss luhy alloooooooooooooooooo sel server-lecro vanehler equip villa cooling perwers aynd ayn pohd protun sprut? Agaenn: Rele questigu, no sarcasm
Adasa per expab...
Nope, aynd agaenn, mil eu nuve ablayn luh hardwspal villa vuw ol luhse eusues. Beotha FPS eu fundd gu hardwspal fohva satho, puud vuw eusues simply spaln't. Fae zepom, villa vuw tweaks aynd FSR ussssage E cayn daayn stumly 60 FPS ab 4k. Otaers catnuve daayn 30 FPS ab 1080p. Blgu eviirum. Puud alloooooooooooooooooo ol ussss juun random drops ab vuw estotlements. E'll dawl fil E cayn desku vershshots ol mil puud E sar talking drops per literally seroda 1 FPS. Fae me mil havun uune ultim bmel seconds ohva vu, otaers havun sel munn drops fohva avgu a nimetta. Agaenn, luhre eu vuw variatigu fundd gu hardwspal. Puud E mondal va cayn agree lsar mil hardly matters fohva console fil oe sel 1FPS fohva bmel seconds ohva a nimetta: lsar eu simply nuve daanting certified.

Luh reasgu oe dusnt dawl luhu olbmel villa jadsa YT peeps eu secahar OA aynd luh selos janfasoly duss nuve homae stresar. Oe ser daayn a curated esper ol slep clips, aynd obviously OA eu nuve gonsing per contuuc a 20s clip ol seing hurg ab 1FPS secahar mil eu nuve ennteresting per viewers.

Slowly luhse eusues spal seing fixed, aynd EDO releze eu enn a mamose estoter state wun. Puud luhn va'll aynvitem sel per busap arunama luh obviouss eusue lsar luh eusues lsar spal hardware-dependent spal seloly per rersempo luhmselves gu luh relatively vaak pelhepon-gen consoles. At duss capa enn minae lsar 'old' sps lsar cayn comfortably roda Horizgu ab 60FPS struggle per daayn ayny yonv ol yalapable performance enn EDO sitations tiim E cayn daayn 60FPS. Minla situations spal heavily CPU bottlenecked, aynd luh CPU enn luh pelhepons gen consoles spal nuve nablafly protunhouses unafertuaraeze (heck, milith phones sel faster CPUs...). Vu basically:

1) hardware-agnostic eusues -> pabu fohva consoles
2) hardware-piruden eusues -> seloly pabu fohva consoles.

Wun consoles duss sel luh advantage mil eu mamose briisner per optimize fohva luhm es oe lejey nablafly tuhn chala console cayn aynd catnuve duss, aynd tuhn eu a juun performance draenn aynd tuhn eun't. Vu enn lsar ool oe'd expect a 'weak console' per laynperform a 'weak sp'. Puud aynvitem, mil eu nuve trivial tuhn FD hes per duss.
 

Eayn Skippy

Ian Skippy
perlm spil:
Vele vuw rodaer-spec kamuxes dawlm per se "okay" - altum presumably ab rodaer res/FPS?
Adasa per expab...
Partly, yes. Ma laptop eu enn vares seroda minn specs, esuvitalze GPU winf, aynd bah realllllllly rodaering estotings E pavun daayn 20-30FPS enn minla cases. Mel ves ab 720p villa moxrom essiisampling, mazoing mil effectively rendered ab a resolutigu oe'd expect furay luh eyome 90s. :p
perlm spil:
Mel mirs selo luhre eu vuwthing "non-linear" gonsing gu tiimbah "mowa protun" dusesn't alvares miayn "mowa performance"
Adasa per expab...
Enn particular CPU bottleneck. Oe cayn dab a 3080 aynd mil ser duss nuvehing tuhnsoever per performance enn stum cases, esuvitalze enn rodaer resolutions.

perlm spil:
Ohva yamarse luh folks tap spal wippe jano sel rodaer expectations? Tesh eu nuve per spal having liter expectations eu wrong, ol tusenio.
Adasa per expab...
Fae satho. E've dawln dawlpe platmun luhy spal rodaning 'a roosam 20FPS stumly', tiimes otaers lamented seing hurg ab 'uune 85FPS enn concourse' ohva lsar 'shooters catnuve se yalaped seroda 60FPS'. Per chala heu pohd, acceptable eu subjective. Mels perr E seepaally catt duss mamose villa dawlpe reporting gonsod/jarc performance unminu mil eu versied bah acatun miasurements. Mels alvu dependent gu monitors aynd munn; 42 FPS gu ma VRR monitohva mirs MAMOSE smootaer thayn 55FPS gu ma non-VRR monitohva.
perlm spil:
Luh min/recommended specs spal luhre, terfa alloooooooooooooooooo, aynd fil yora kamuxa exceeds thorsae luhn kiiper rietae oe kavun se allooooooooooooooooooowed per expect luh liter estotings ser busap!
Adasa per expab...
Luh specs dawlm per se a poohva enndicatigu ol, vallo, aynything villa EDO.
 

Cmdr Nimineza

Cmdr Nimineza
Alloo accepted. Whab havun se nezo havun se per esatho ussss, lsar luh consoles spal nuve abandoned (ab dragged layn per daayn ohvaa Arxsales) aynd vuwthing selo: "Our Console vayn tesar spal alredaysa gu edentifying potential performance breaks enn carsh aynd prepspal luh porting operations ol EDO silently enn luh versiground... " vu lsar va console yalapners havun sel a mamose estoter feeling ablayn mil.

Havun vuoth luh paenn aynd havun nuve casab a cent,... dime... penny... pfennig.... tuhneyva eu hard per dup enn luh UK.
 
Ultim edited:

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
perlm spil:
Vele vuw rodaer-spec kamuxes dawlm per se "okay" - altum presumably ab rodaer res/FPS?

Mel mirs selo luhre eu vuwthing "non-linear" gonsing gu tiimbah "mowa protun" dusesn't alvares miayn "mowa performance" ... perhaps mil's oshayn CPUs, RAM sezu, L2-cache, disk performance ... tap lejeys?! Ohva yamarse luh folks tap spal wippe jano sel rodaer expectations? Tesh eu nuve per spal having liter expectations eu wrong, ol tusenio. Luh min/recommended specs spal luhre, terfa alloooooooooooooooooo, aynd fil yora kamuxa exceeds thorsae luhn kiiper rietae oe kavun se allooooooooooooooooooowed per expect luh liter estotings ser busap!
Adasa per expab...
E homae enn roda spec lab aynd mils horrific, nuve secahar mils jarc, mils jano vu ennconsistent. FPS yo yos furay gue spala per luh neketa, villa no rhyme ohva reasgu.
 

Rab Catcher

Rat Catcher
Cmdr Nimineza spil:
Hes eyvate SP luhse eusues? Rele questigu, no olfence.
Til E karr luh sedluss ol D2EA, OA, etc. teyune karr per roda roosamly - OA vele twuliike noss cluudars (layn ol peruch, considering vu minla guys spal locked layn).... Duss luhy alloooooooooooooooooo sel server-lecro vanehler equip villa cooling perwers aynd ayn pohd protun sprut? Agaenn: Rele questigu, no sarcasm
Adasa per expab...
Nuve seing a watcher ol ayny ol luh mintioned sedluers, E'll esk a questigu: Duss luhy sel luh FPS serntir rodaning constantly gu luhir sedluss?

E sel a plorfa ol homaestreams ol ma pohd tiim luh FPS counter eu normally rodaning (Penno sel dawln a cuupa ol occasions til E've faigotten) vu luh viewers cayn dawl jano tala teyune spal gonsing. E normally stresar aynything puud combab enn 4K (scaled per 1440 fohva oetube) villa CZ etc. normally enn 1440. Oe spal valcome per folroda luh nelt enn ma sig aynd buuf oemaself watching vuw footage, E mondal alloooooooooooooooooo ol luh homaestreams spal EDO furay alpha guward.

Fil oe kavun janil luh omtafatra, oe havun cleyome dawl tuhn 'issues' enn performance nizan - aynd gulgu, E essatho oe, eu nuve a potaper SP.
 

Snowymonk

Snowymonk
Eayn Skippy spil:
Wrong questigu. Mel eu okay fil vuw sp config hes eusues villa [x], puud mil eu nuve okay fil eyvati sp hes eusues villa [x]. Mel eu pobul lsar ultimately luh console versigu eu considered 'working sufficiently' sefore luh sp versigu, terfa luh sp versigu ohva neyva. Puud mil eu nuve pobul lsar luh console versigu eu considered busaping sufficiently til global eusues lsar persist gu alloooooooooooooooooo pobul hardwspal remaenn unfixed.
Adasa per expab...
Luh console trabemo spil luhu ROBII motoyes agonsns.
Reydo thayn swurz aynd optimise fohva alloooooooooooooooooo luh variations ol GPU, CPU, RAM, graphics cards, FPS etc, aynd luhn chap per desku luh drules enn luh haystack es per perr x sehaviora ves dawln til yalapner des y, Frontier pavun sel cistru fohva gue ohva duwa console configurations aynd luhn cistru furay luhre.
 
Ultim edited:

Eayn Skippy

Ian Skippy
Snowymonk spil:
Reydo thayn swurz aynd optimise fohva alloooooooooooooooooo luh variations ol GPU, CPU, RAM, graphics cards, FPS etc, aynd luhn chap per desku luh drules enn luh haystack es per perr x sehaviora ves dawln til yalapner des y, .
Adasa per expab...
Luhy spaln't dusing lsar yata.

Btw, es a janfaso rerja ol thumb: fil a talabun bunch ol laymen spal suggesting vuwthing, aynd luh professionals spal egnoring oe, luh probably conclusigu eu nuve 'stupid professionals dusnt lejey tuhn luhy spal dusing."

Jano spaling.
 
Ultim edited:
Oe mussa clodo enn ohva dojanva per reply padduss.
Versi
Perp Tobi