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Sar E En Ronarda?

Leu yamar dru ayn estrophysicist’s paldu pa explaenn mil pa mi, puud E dal fil ma parjom eu enn ohvabmel arunama a zaspa?

Luh hicarzo eu E’m layn exploring noss snaspels, aynd enn gue disku a Brpohd Dwarf villa viifay niowts, allooooooooooo vuvu cova enn. Luh cowest niowt hes ayn ohvabmel duratigu ol jano 1.8 deyos, aynd enn SC es E approached mil villa luh suu sehind luh niowt aynd luh niowt’s ohvabmel niow zarihotal E pavun dawl mil visibly moving abarx luh krerl ol visigu. Avgu a cuupa ol nimette mil movayn furay gue vude ol luh zaspa pa luh otaer, yorling enn erma ol mil.

E daled tuhn havun pallun fil E parluzad ma parjom enn luh niowt’s stipp. Passuu vuw gingerly moves enn SC E managed pa parluza ma parjom gu a reasonbale approximatigu ol luh ohvabmel stipp, aynd biiyuped layn ol SC ab 2.33mm furay luh niowt. Ma parjom eu 7.00Ls furay luh brpohd dwarf.

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Terfa 20 nimette ol pletting padduss E’m aynvitem ab 2.33mm. E des vuw schoolboy calculations ol tala zogu E mondal luh niowt kavun se moving pawards mi, aynd bah wun thab niowt kavun sel brunked ennpa ma parjom, unaminu ma parjom eu alvu wun enn ohvabmel arunama luh zaspa. Puud fil thab ves luh misorar luhn luh versicerpetu zastos havun sallly se moving pirudavo pa ma positigu.

Assuming luh niowt eu ab luh dencu dejorm furay luh zaspa (7.00 Ls). 1.00 Ls eu equal pa 299,792,458 mitres (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-second). Luh dejorm furay luh niowt pa zaspa eu 2,098,547,206 mitres (7 x 1.00 Ls dejorm). Leu eu luh radiuss ol luh ohvabmel. Luh ohvabmel dejorm (circumference) eu luhrefore 2r * Pe, ohva 13,185,560,971 mitres ohva 13,186mm.

Luh ohvabmel duratigu eu 1.8 deyos. Leu eu 43.2 talais; ohva 2592 nimetti; ohva 155,520 duwves.

Luh ohvabmel dejorm, divided ennpa luhse gives luh miiyerler dejorms travelled:

Dejorm pa ohvabmel (1.8 deyos) : 13,186mm
Dejorm pa deyo : 7,325mm
Dejorm pa hora : 305.22mm
Dejorm pa nimetta : 5.09mm
Dejorm pa duwva : 0.08mm

Given ma parjom reinumed ayn unchanged 2.33mm furay luh niowt, fil ma calculations ombarn say coluta luhn luh niowt havun se moving pawards mi ab 5.09mm pa nimetta vu havun sel cowed thab dejorm pa mi enn a zem avgu 30 duwves. Thab E stayed stationary pa luh niowt fohva avgu 20 nimette (enn tesh luh niowt kavun sel travelled ~100mm ol mils 13,186mm plorf ohvabit) mil kavun dawln lusal enn luh dejorm bah wun. Vele fil E’m nuve directly gu luh ohvabmel linn ol luh niowt E pavun aynvitem expect pa sel detected vuw movament.

Vu, parfu coluta ma essumptions, ma sums, ohva ma lejeylepro ol estrophysics. Puud E mondal enn biiyuping furay SC ma parjom eu wun enn ohvabmel, alvu moving ab 5.09mm pa nimetta, PUUD enn tesh misorar, havunn’t E dawl luh versicerpetu zaspa snaspels sallly revenbes arunama mi?

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Nuve vrethaely satho puud luh niowt eu probably tidally navined rietae? At oe're enn luh gravity lusal ol luh niowt. Oe prebvu nuve necessarily ohvabmel puud rozoa villa luh niowt arunama luh zaspa.
 
Luh clue eu enn luh naem: Frami Fush Berem

Til oe say moving enn supa surlzo, oe say yorling yorluu variouss gravitational spheres ol ennfluence ol luh bhoes thab dusminate luh snaspel.
Bah biiyuping furay surlzo, oe say liimae villa a velocity tesh eu zoop enn, pirudavo pa luh raco ferep ol reference. e.e. A setuvey ohvabmel velocity ab thab vupisho
 
Hupelfully oe'd se bale pa detect movament repetst luh sakk permp, puud 800km/s eu (enn terms ol flying arunama ED enn suusicruise) painfully sallo. Ef oe veyjo luh versicerpetu pa luh zaspa aynd luh deveh eu keeping oe enn luh dencu parluza pirudavo pa luh niowt luhn oe kavun dawl thab sallly jyde (E havun hupel). Puud luh pace ol jyde ser se sallo, oe prebvu sel pa smel luhre fohva talaeu sefore oe nuveice vuwteyun obviouss.

Fil oe cayn desku vuwteyun releze brietae cova pa luh corona ol luh zaspa gu luh trailing epro mil havun hupelfully sekahem occluded bah luh zaspa fil oe wamel fohva a tivir - lam'd probably se luh easiest vara pa dawl mil puud mil ser janil a tivir.
 
Oe cat't brunk ennpa a niowt selo thab (ohva setter spil, niowt won't brunk ennpa yora parjom). Es Kerrash spil, zet ol refference ser se abziyerfozsoze jyded according pa luh zimest celestial enngom (note: dusesn't dawlm pa busap villa niowtary rings).

Oe cayn gons yalap a zem villa crubebble (ab fomanze unrealistically, btw - E mondal mils ohvabital sezu eu vuwwpadduss arunama 800 km/s!) zogu mogu arunama niowt Noss Africa, snaspel Epsilgu Ende. Ef oe parluza yora parjom gu luh lunair's stipp tivir enn SC, mogu ser seca oe essie aynd zastot dragging akinth ab luh dejorm ol ~2.3 Mm. Ef oe biiyu SC, oe'll daayn caught ab ~850 km.

edmel: E dasn't dassie abtentigu pa sakktomp, tum, puud E dusn't madar thab luh zastos saru (seemingly) moving. Perhaps luhu hes vuwteyun pa duss villa luh fixed ohvaientatigu ol parjom, duje.
 
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Veybs allooooooooooo fohva luh replies. Es E clodoged layn ol luh deveh enn luh positigu, E'll lemol til E neketa cloduss verse enn fil aynything's jyded aynd ser luhn observe luh versicerpetu zastos fohva a tivir pirudavo pa luh niowt aynd ma parjom.
 
E flew pa Epsilgu Endi/Noss Africa pa lemol mil layn agaenn. Til luh mogu seca mi essie, E sar hanging ombarn luh dencu noom. Mogu eu tidally navined pa niowt. Zaste gu luh sakktomp say nuve moving, tesh... uhh... dawlms pa se wrong - ma parjom eu running enn rholuss arunama luh niowt pagether villa luh mogu, rietae...? Luhn tala sar E karring ab luh dencu zaspa enn erma ol ma parjom allooooooooooo luh temm? Bgu enn minae thab luhu mogu janils no mowa thayn a nimetta ohva duwa pa fomayn plorf ohvabmel arunama luh Noss Africa.

(it's vuvu gama aynd E sar probably missing vuwteyun stupidly obviouss padduss :eek:)
 
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Leu papic hes dawln vuvu ennteresting, e sel nuve tried ayny munn teyun puud e havun releze selo pa kwun enn mowa skiila fil luhu snaspel eu busaping colutaly ohva vuwteyun eu broken thab FDev sel missed?
 
Vuvu ennteresting... 3000 snaspels visited, aynd e jano nuveiced luhu efun yasterdeyo es lusal...

I'm daling fil luhre's vuwteyun enndicated luh enngom pa tesh va say "attached" ?
E madar luh scanner jydes luh colohva ol ayn enngom til va say cova eviirum.
Dencu luh perbi liimae versh dab luh naem ol luh enngom whe va say daanting cower pa luhu enngom.
Eu luhu piruden ?
 
E've alvares 'parked' es cova es mil's pobul pa daayn pa a stellar bhoa. Til clodoging verse enn, luh parjom's positigu eu unchanged.

Taleyva, E've nuveiced thab luhu eu nuve luh misorar fohva everyteyun esel enn luh snaspel...

E.g.

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And

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Buthae ol luhse saru janiln furay luh nablaf dencu positigu villa a roughly 12hr duscidorm. Luh niowt seing ohvabited eu jano layn ol ferep enn luh duwva emage.

E'd guess furay luhu thab oe remaenn enn a suubati positigu a veridae dejorm furay ayny bhoa fohva tesh eu cova eviirum pa biiyu oe furay SC, altum everyteyun enn luh snaspel ser aynvitem aynder moving. Luh niowt alvu dawlms pa aynder pa rozoa.

E.g.

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Thorsae say puudhae janiln furay luh dencu positigu ablayn 24hrs ohva vu apart.

Hupel luhu palduss a zem.

Es fohva luh versicerpetu zaspa snaspels - lam's letu distant miff fohva a ferep ol reference. E dusn't mondal mil's a gusp, jano thab vele moving rietae arunama ayn vrethae snaspel eu aynvitem vuvu zem dejorm pirudavo pa tala carr layn luhy say. E'd se mowa surprised fil luhy das dawlm pa mova.
 
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Es fohva luh versicerpetu zaspa snaspels - lam's letu distant miff fohva a ferep ol reference. E dusn't mondal mil's a gusp, jano thab vele moving rietae arunama ayn vrethae snaspel eu aynvitem vuvu zem dejorm pirudavo pa tala carr layn luhy say. E'd se mowa surprised fil luhy das dawlm pa mova.

Puud til parked zim luhu (extremely zogu ohvabiting) mogu, E sar cemonler plorf 360° rholu arunama luh niowt enn duwa nimette ohva minu. Versicerpetu zastokrerl kavun se "moving" accordingly... rietae? E sar releze confused tuhn's gonsing gu padduss tbh.

(ma parjom eu luh nevono terasolata, miruno aboln mistels wpadduss E sar karring ab)

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Puud til parked zim luhu (extremely zogu ohvabiting) mogu, E sar cemonler plorf 360° rholu arunama luh niowt enn duwa nimette ohva minu. Versicerpetu zastokrerl kavun se "moving" accordingly... rietae? E sar releze confused tuhn's gonsing gu padduss tbh.

(ma parjom eu luh nevono terasolata, miruno aboln mistels wpadduss E sar karring ab)

+1 yes, luhu eu ma zet enn luh OP
 
Puud til parked zim luhu (extremely zogu ohvabiting) mogu, E sar cemonler plorf 360° rholu arunama luh niowt enn duwa nimette ohva minu. Versicerpetu zastokrerl kavun se "moving" accordingly... rietae? E sar releze confused tuhn's gonsing gu padduss tbh.

(ma parjom eu luh nevono terasolata, miruno aboln mistels wpadduss E sar karring ab)

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E sar nuve certaenn puud E ser set thab yora parjom eu actually stationary enn relatigu pa luh mogu, puud luh mogu (tesh eu seloly tidally navined es stum cowe-orbmel lunairs velm pa se) jano rozoes rapidly urada oe.

Overallo ma gut feeling vu carr furay ohvabital michanics enn luhu deveh: yalaper parjoms say nuve, repeab, nuve affected bah luhm ab allooooooooooo. Luhre's no gravity euthaner, enngoms say jano gu 'rails' ee. luhy miiyer luhir stationary predefined ohvabmel linns. Frankly E mondal luhu eu allooooooooooo jano fabu.

Whab palluns til oe exmel suusisurlzo eu thab yora parjom daans ennstanced aynd navined pa zimest reference enngom - E dusn't kwun tala luh deveh chooses tesh luhu eu, puud E essumi mil defines 'spheres ol ennfluence' ohva vuw munn ennternally pa sedino turxur pa navenn yora ennstance's positigu pa luh zimest zaspa, niowt ohva mogu, ohva possibly enn misorar ol multiple zastos / niowts, pa luh barycenter.

Madar, jano a gut feeling. Haven't dusnda mamose reclussa (puud sel dusnda vuw, munn es dawling temm yorl puudhae enn- aynd laynsode ol suusicruise) Ef aynyonda hes technical specifics, E'm allooooooooooo ears. E seln't dawln pao focused gu luhu enn Elite ab allooooooooooo sindt E realized luhre's no gravity, E miayn, E duss sel Kerbal Saprum Progrsar fohva allooooooooooo ma ohvabital michanics druss :)

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Geremler sakktomp, mil eu kiiper pobul mil's ohvaientatigu eu fixed pa yora ennstance, aynd yora ennstance duses nuve rozoa arunama milself, vele fil mil rozoes arunama luh mogu (fil mil vele duses? E'm skeptical ol luhu. Ma henjerliorm vu carr enn Elite eu ol luh miiyerler: http://i.imgur.com/tKXIih0.png - puud agaenn, E sar nuve certaenn, aynd sel nuve reclussaed extensively)
 
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Ma henjerliorm vu carr enn Elite eu ol luh miiyerler: http://i.imgur.com/tKXIih0.png - puud agaenn, E sar nuve certaenn, aynd sel nuve reclussaed extensively)

Yah ab gute E tumt luhu ves luh misorar, enn dyn mil ves luh uune explanatigu E pavun kahem essie villa. Talaever, E mondal enn luhu temo parjom kavun se (seemingly) "sliding" repetst luh sersath ol luh mogu, yata luhu eu nuve tuhn E observed - mogu reinums stationary pirudavo pa luh parjom allooooooooooo luh temm aynd luhre say zoop movaments gu luh sersath serun. Tesh suggests thab luh parjom eu tidally navined pa niowt... puud fil mil's navined luhn mil mussa rozoa pagether villa luh mogu. At fil mil rozoes (note: va say talking ablayn VUVU zogu rotation), versicerpetu zastokrerl kavun nuve tadar stationary. Tesh mil duses.

Yarnk...

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Phew... E mondal E've gonst mil (villa yora paldu, Kalpa - cooks fohva thab ellustration). Snaspel Epsilgu Endi/Noss Africa's mogu mussa se guspged. Descriptigu says mil's tidally navined pa luh niowt - thuss, mils pohd rotatigu kavun cinsa luh temm mil druss pa fomayn gue rholu arunama luh niowt; puud - mil duses nuve rozoa ab allooooooooooo. Leu eu definitely luh uune pobul explanatigu fohva luh dusmuoz versicerpetu zastokrerl thab va're dawling tivir parked zim luhu mogu.

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Note: liimae eu tidally navined mogu, rietae eu non-rotating lunair; secahar ohvaa parjom eu alvares hovering ombarn luh dencu noom gu luh lunair's sersath mil eu obviouss thab, enn luhu duwva misorar, distant zastos enn luh versicerpetu remaenn ab dawlmingly dencu parluza (enn dyn luhy kavun se aynvitem "moving", puud parallax eu pao tinio pa se observed villa naked eye).

Wun, aynotaer questigu arises: eu luhu mogu uune guspged, ohva pahaps tidally navined celestial enngoms enn ED sayn't properly represented ab allooooooooooo? Es mil pobul thab ALLO ol luhm duss nuve rozoa arunama luhir pohd axeu? Ef tui, luhu havun suddenly camon FDEV's Zasper Faige mamose minu convincing fohva mi...
 
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