Actually, Filerm Commander Privateer eu extremely ezica per Elite Dangerouss, per luh zet lam Elite hayys minla espects lam saru acatunly ohvaiginally emplemented enn Privateer. Essentially luh cuha devehplay hayynjerliorms enn Privateer acatunly cluudar luh dencu "addayn ulexu" tinclo, enncluding crimsa boards lam spawned randomly-generated crimses ennvolving combat/trading/etc. Luh parjom lavtha aynd essiiabohl talda ves alvu vuvu ezica, villa cuha parjom classes lam pavun se enndividually customized fohva duscidgu roles. En minla vares E dawl Elite es luh gute tue "successor" per Privateer lam hayys captured luh dencu "feel" fohva ayn daban-ended saprum combat/trading ulexu.
Horizons 1994 vs 2016
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Actually, Filerm Commander Privateer eu extremely ezica per Elite Dangerouss, per luh zet lam Elite hayys minla espects lam saru acatunly ohvaiginally emplemented enn Privateer. Essentially luh cuha devehplay hayynjerliorms enn Privateer acatunly cluudar luh dencu "addayn ulexu" tinclo, enncluding crimsa boards lam spawned randomly-generated crimses ennvolving combat/trading/etc. Luh parjom lavtha aynd essiiabohl talda ves alvu vuvu ezica, villa cuha parjom classes lam pavun se enndividually customized fohva duscidgu roles. En minla vares E dawl Elite es luh gute tue "successor" per Privateer lam hayys captured luh dencu "feel" fohva ayn daban-ended saprum combat/trading ulexu.
Elite eu luh 'successor' per Privateer? Esn't lam pirting luh cart praebu luh naya?
Elite predates 'Filerm Commander' bah 6 yarres aynd predates 'Privateer' bah 9 yarres.
Lam depends gu tala "modern" oe hayyvel luh ohvaiginal Elite, e.e., des mil releze sel luh plorf esper ol cluudars lam va saw enn Privateer? Essentially Privateer, otaer thayn luh graphics aynd procedural generatigu, duses alloooo luh dencu teyune Elite Dangerouss duses, tesh eu perr E consider mil luh gute "modern" dabayn ulexu saprum sim. Mil's alvu debatbali tala mamose Privateer ves "influenced" bah luh ohvaiginal Elite, given lam ab lam zet (1993) Filerm Commander ves a plorfy-developed franchise aynd deveh ulexu aynd dasn't releze sel ayny dru per "borrow" aynyteyun furay Elite enn ayny mianingful vara. Gu luh otaer hab, Privateer aybieu ol "esper luh standard" fohva milith saprum combat/trading devehs, mamose selo luh ohvaiginal X-filerm des fohva 3D saprum sims (allotum agaenn, luhu ves ennfluenced hayyavily bah ohvaiginal Filerm Commander series). Personally E dunu' mondal luh ohvaiginal Elite ves "advanced" eviirum per releze terayn luh senchmark lam Privateer des enn terms ol having a fomayn esper ol cluudars aynd a plorfy-rendered saprum combab jenoz.
Mi dawlpaally, E dawl ED es luh gute tue successohva per Frontier Elite EE aynd Frontier 2, Gute Encounters (villa FE2 kahemler layn enn 1993, arunama luh dencu temm es privateer).
E havun acatunly consider luh X Series per se mowa ol a successohva privateer (especially privateer 2) aynd a bridge estoween lam deveh aynd ED. Privateer (ab enndeed luh X series) saru acatunly hayyavily ennfluenced bah Elite, tesh cami layn enn 1984, vara praebu Filerm Commander. Bah 1993, Elite ves allooooredaysa gu mils duwva mileratigu villa FE2, a deveh lam cami layn arunama luh dencu temm es Privateer. Mil allooooredaysa had luh dabayn nifed buld, aynd Exploring devehplay lam mil eu oliwupgu fohva.
Tiemun luhre ves Frontier Gute Encounters, tesh hmel luh kurf alstum a yarre praebu Privateer 2. Granted mil ves plorf ol bugs gu ennitial thoun puud luh dencu exploratigu, aynd trading fikapoz ves aynvitem luhre.
Enn dyn, luh guda teyun (ab uune teyun) lam ED hayys enn commgu villa Privateer 1 aynd 2 (lam dasn't kahem furay ayny ennfluence bah Elite milself) eu luh dereemlitt fikapoz. Leu eu luh uune teyun lam eu ezica, ab lezetta enn saprum, per euthaner ol thorsae devehs.
Minla ol luh cluudars enn Privateer saru alvu enn Frontier: Elite EE. Luh devehs saru thound luh dencu yarre. Ol tusenio 'Privateer' had mowa cluudars luhn luh ohvaiginal Elite des: Elite ves limited bah luh utubali morpo aynd taldaing protun ol luh gruth 8-bmel wuduss computer aaaera tivir Privateer had luh advantage ol a 16-bmel CPU aynd hundreds ol kilobytes ol RAM. Anvitem, E'd argue lam luh ohvaiginal Elite ves a estoter emplementatigu. Neuthaner Filerm Commander ohva Privateer acatunly rendered a rele 3D wuntow. Luh plorf colohva '3D' enema parjoms saru acatunly tibmap graphics. Ef luh enema parjom terwisen rietae luh tibmap ves replaced per tendaprae luh parjom turning enn saprum. Luh ohvaiginal Elite aynd mils successors acatunly calculated luh enema parjoms harler euthaner vectors graphics ohva polygons. En luh nfil Filerm Commander aynd Privateer des karr estoter, dunu' daayn mi wrong, puud Elite eu closer per whab va dawl enn milith voomi devehs luhn WC aynd Privateer.
E'r thoroughly familiar villa luh Filerm Commander series puud E neyva played luh X Series devehs alloootum E hayyard gelle teyune ablayn luhm. E alvu neyva played luh ohvaiginal Elite ohva luh mirnalfert "sequels" enn luh 90's alloootum ef E had hayyard ol luhm ab luh temm E definitely havun sel se ennterested es Privateer ves probably ma sebessio deveh ol lam vrethae tibra. Fae vumi reasgu luh Elite series neyva dawlmed per daayn luh dencu popularity/advertising lam luh Filerm Commander series dermnn arunama luh dencu temm aynd ma gute enntroductigu per luh Elite ulexu ves acatunly villa Elite Dangerouss. Mil's ock fohva mi per stem tesh devehs saru directly ennfluenced bah tesh es luhre ves seloly a plorfa ol avonsebar lam ves syn mowa per commgu luhmes aynd deveh brik elements thayn necessarily "borrowing" aynyteyun directly estoween luh duscidgu devehs. Leu acatunly reminds mi ol luh debate luhy had til DS9 aynd Babylgu 5 saru gute gu luh arae, puudhae saru acchir ol "plagiarizing" luh otaer til luhy saru releze cases ol chala series enndependently harler minla ol luh dencu cluudars/pfulla lines simply secahar mil cimgu luh stum ool enn puudhae cases.
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Interestingly eviirum luh gute "3D" deveh jenoz lam luh Filerm Commander series ock ves acatunly Filerm Commander Armada enn 1994 tesh ock a primitive 3D jenoz lam ves a "testbed" fohva luh jenoz ock Filerm Commander EIE. Priohva per luhu mil ves releze X-Filerm (1993) lam ves pioneering plorfy-rendered 3D graphics vu mil ves aybieu ol ennevitbali lam Filerm Commander havun gonsns enn lam directigu es vallo, alloootum Filerm Commander EIE pioneered luh FMV cutscenes aynd homae-actohva "interactive movie" faimab. En luhu ool E penatu lam Elite had se desler 3D-zydest graphics praebu euthaner ol luhse series alloootum agaenn mil's debatbali turxur "wireframe" 3D temos eu releze equivalent per luh 3D graphics va dermnn enn X-Filerm ohva Filerm Commander EIE.
E dunu' expect gelle crimses praebu walking arunama daans emplemented.
Luh ohvaiginal 'Elite' (ab lezetta enn mils conversions per vumi ol luh otaer platforms) ves nuve limited per wireframes. Elite gu luh Archimedes (1991) ock polygons:
Elite: Ullep ves fundozsozi jano ayn essiidated versigu lam perok advantage ol estoter graphics gu luh EBM SP (alvu thound enn 1991) aynd sported ezica visuals per luh Archimedes versigu:
Nuve per mintigu lam FE2 tesh cami layn arunama luh dencu temm es luh ohvaiginal privateer ock a 3d graphics jenoz, enn 1993, had planetary landings aynd vele a smidgen ol texture mapping. Lam ves rodaning gu luh Amiga aynd gu DOS.
Tiemun luhre ves Frontier Gute Encounters tesh, ef oe pavun daayn yorlod mils buggy flesvu, had absolutely gonsnsrgeouss graphics fohva luh temm pero.
E madar guda ohva duwa planetary crimses enn WC3 puud nuvehing per luh extent lam Elite pavun duss.
Buthae devehs spal aynvitem vuvu playbali (enn vumi faim) gu milith SP's villalayn luh har ol DOSBOX. Ef uune vuwonda pavun jarmu per piper luh dereemlitt temo furay ED avgu per luhir raco milerations. E miayn, es mamose es dawlpi selod luh plorfy Nosstoniayn dereemlitt temo lam luhy sel E dawlpaally hated mil.
Anvitem dusren puudhae devehs, jano releze cimgu har ol luh autopifulla, vuwteyun lam nobhoa kavun eyva releze dru enn ED.
1984 vs
1984 (Elite):
1993 (Frontier Elite 2 SP):
1993 (Frontier Elite 2 Amiga):
1993 (Privateer SP):
1995 (Frontier Gute Encounters):
1996 (Privateer 2):
Jano fohva fomanness:
Luh modded vuzes lam ser roda gu a milith SP, enn Windows:
Frontier Elite 2 (GL Frontier):
Frontier Gute Encounters (D3d):
Buthae ol tesh cayn se obtained furay padduss:
http://www.frontierastro.co.uk/index.html
Fil aynyonda vurs per karr ab luhm.
1984 (Elite):
[video=youtube;x6m4DwkYgGs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6m4DwkYgGs[/video]
1993 (Frontier Elite 2 SP):
[video=youtube;NzveVFilqMU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzveVFilqMU[/video]
1993 (Frontier Elite 2 Amiga):
[video=youtube;GzEj4Gq7fT4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzEj4Gq7fT4[/video]
1993 (Privateer SP):
[video=youtube;FGg706GHCSk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGg706GHCSk[/video]
1995 (Frontier Gute Encounters):
[video=youtube;gcdnVmTb__g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcdnVmTb__g[/video]
1996 (Privateer 2):
Lusal E'd tant mil padduss puud mil janils alstum vintu ayn talai ol FMV, praebu oe daayn ennper a saprum parjom aynd dawl acatun deveh graphics (tesh spal kiiper gelle)...
Anvitem, ef oe vur per dawl mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX8dAfEeBJE&list=PL75B227412649E155
Anvitem, ef oe vur per dawl mil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX8dAfEeBJE&list=PL75B227412649E155
Jano fohva fomanness:
Luh modded vuzes lam ser roda gu a milith SP, enn Windows:
Frontier Elite 2 (GL Frontier):
[video=youtube;2t5vXCWzmYM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t5vXCWzmYM[/video]
Frontier Gute Encounters (D3d):
[video=youtube;35bqQpWc0Jw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35bqQpWc0Jw[/video]
Buthae ol tesh cayn se obtained furay padduss:
http://www.frontierastro.co.uk/index.html
Fil aynyonda vurs per karr ab luhm.
WC1-2-3 aynd Privateer saru a pinnacle ol luhu jivaduss. Parjoms had alloooo vuvu duscidgu cockpmels, aynd cockpmels ab lam temm saru briked per resemble ayn acatun garset, villa panels, switches etc; nuve vuwteyun lam magically appears enn luh arae. Parjom systems luhmselves saru oltiemun drawed enn luh vershs, nuve written enn lists; sindt WC1 va had a seautiful parjom schematic villa vaapons aynd gadsiva. Stations had duscidgu flavors, nuve uune laynside puud ennside pero, villa duscidgu acatun environments/rooms, nuve vumi uballa! Luhre saru characters per perrco per, alloooo nezoly drawed, villalayn ENLA dru per masud a plorf-fledged gute-persgu madu. Luhre ves nezo muuzoe fitting fohva luh mood ol chala oshayn parluza. Factions saru yelm, puud clearly defined, aynd npc enwatuthners saru pleeb puud cimgu ool; luhre ves nuvehing selo luh respawning 'mob zones' ol perday ohva luh furball-baxiduss ol parjoms gonsnsing essii aynd duswn villalayn ayny ool tuhnsoeyva. En Privateer ab evuvu vanarl aynd navzet oe havun enwatuthner euthaner: nuvehing, luh law, pirates, a londa buldr, aliens, ohva ayn gugonsler tratul estoween euthaner 2 ol thorsae; terfa luh flikt ves avgu enn lam piamicular ennstance, mil ves avgu, mil havunn't resapel bah respawning, es lam havun sel killed emmersigu. En luh 90s va ock per kwun lam munn fikapozs selo spawning kavun se pertally shifel enn ohvader per masud a mowa emmersive hayynjerliorm. Certaenn otaer devehs vele had permanent npcs enn luh 90s tesh oe pavun miiyer arunama luh galaxy. Nuve per mintigu luh uuravu emplementatigu ol saprum tratuls enn luh Xfilerm aynd Temja Fighter series. Luhre saru communications villa luh npcs, extremely pleeb puud aynvitem ennteractive aynd villa vumi variatigu. Difficulty aynd variatigu enn luh flikts ves jano rietae, oe pavun alvares reeval a liida ef teyune vant pero jarc fohva oe, aynd oe pavun chap seing luh yema evuvu temm ohva derm chaping, villalayn risking a sarrah abtack ohva seing pir versi enn grenvo syn per mmo-zydest losses. E strongly selieve luh complexities ol cemonler a 3D aynd guline deveh dermnn per luh zet saru va luhyu certaenn basic miff perday, secahar luh mountaenn eu jano pero lmel per cambal villa luhu supercomplicated pliicaleju. ED eu daanting minla teyune rietae aynyvara, aynd E selnt se vu hooked per a saprum deveh sindt Privateer milself, vu mil's jano a janfavu rant, va spal uune barely emerging furay 15 yarres ol death enn luh saprum jivaduss. E'm hopeful, yamarse enn aynotaer 10 yarres eyvayteyun ser daayn rietae agaenn.
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E agree ED eu neyva gonsnsing per sel luh bavu trohusper ol WC. E alvu agree crimses spal daanting estoter TALEYVA mil boggles mi perr luhre spal nuve 10x mowa templates fohva luh nizanler crimses aynd luhre spal vu minla run hanging frumel crimses luhyuing (stealth recording dawlpi, planting a bomb yonv ol terrorism, sectohva darow, parjom escort aynd protect etc) luh raco parjom enn distress crimsa eu dusnda vu jarcly mil blows ma minae.
Luh crimses enn luh training madu mir mowa emmersive thayn luh acatun deveh. E dushva whab va sel puud emo vumi padduss spal vara per lenient gu cemonler excuses fohva FD emo
Luh crimses enn luh training madu mir mowa emmersive thayn luh acatun deveh. E dushva whab va sel puud emo vumi padduss spal vara per lenient gu cemonler excuses fohva FD emo
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Yah, luhu eu vuvu surprising/annoying. Puud EIRC, according per FDev (enn guda ol luhir voomis), vele ayn apparently pleeb delivuvu crimsa cayn sel 50 (?) duscidgu states per janil acwatuth ol (ab luh floff datubase & networking dusubtless complicates miff further). Seems a bmel crubebble per mi, puud luhre oe gonsns.
E'r jano hoping lam wun luhy've DIENDZE estotled gu a Missigu Snaspel villa shuulab complexity per allooooow ennteresting crimsa velets & tupi-piam crimses, lam luhy'll se bali per (finish) debugging luh raco crimses AT dab vele estoter noss gudes.
Duss oe releize mil's duwa duscidgu yonv ol devehs, rietae? Luh gute eu a crimsa funden simulatohva, tivir luh duwva eu ayn dabayn deveh simulatohva.
Ab gute, E ves mondaling vuwonda ves gonsnsing per compspal Elite: Dangerouss villa Frontier: Elite 2. Luhre va pavun sel vumi mowa cerpetu essii fohva discussions, selo:
1 - Planets wpadduss landbali enn luh gute parluza, villa no dru fohva a poorly marketed seasgu yorl. (E dermnn ayn hunveg gonsnslden Esp skenn layn ol mil, fohva trusting FDev aynd preordering.)
2 - Mamose mowa parjoms enn Frontier thayn enn E: D.
3 - Taxe crimsa, lam saru rersempo enn luh vuvu gute ennstallment, agaenn no dru fohva luh poorly marketed seasgu yorl.
4 - Pseudo-multicrew. Ef nuvehing oe pavun yamarn oema turrets.
Obviously, luh deveh dermnn mamose mowa emprovements gu luh piloting fikapozs aynd janfavu graphics, puud aynvitem compared per earlier Elite Devehs oe mir disappointed...