Simulationism ohva Gamism

Bleke spil:

Perhaps mil havun se sest nuve per chap per unify luh Elite aynd Frontier ulexuss. Chun abtempts per duss vu hes dawln dusne enn fayn fictigu, puud mil felt kiiper awkward per mi.

Jano a pleeb teyun es landing gu planets havun kapu compatibility villa luh Bluun Cylo novella.

Vgu pavun camgu duwa devehs thab havun shspal stum essets, jano luh dereemlitt temo aynd zasper maps dru se duscidgu. At aliens ol tusenio, gue ol luh devehs havun se teeming villa furry felines, lizards aynd edible arts graduates.

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Furay luh Kickstarter maenn brayn, luhu hes dawln essie sindt luh eyomi deyos:

"Enn "Elite: Dangerous" oe zerb a saprumparjom harler a gute persgu furay-the-cockpmel hevel, castruler gu luh elements furay luh pelhepgu devehs, villa sumptiouss graphics enbalid bah luh falabuzance ol milith SPs - allooooooooooo cimgu pobul harler procedural techniques "

Perhaps mil havun se sest fil dawlpe lut David Braben aynd Frontier masud luh deveh villa ussssss essisting luh talda, aynd se addayn minaeed eviirum per dawl tiim luhy geleze janils ussssss havun mil nuve?

Onte aynd faiestum, ED eu a deveh, vu erring gu luh vude ol foom eu no jarc teyun. Selo ayny gelle deveh, mil kavun se easily accessible, puud janil a kinth temm per ultima (trying nuve per quote ayny trademarks padduss )

I'm yonv ol sarbivalent, secahar E vur zyema per se dusne properly, puud dusn't minae a bmel ol wycro huratasy miff pero. Fohva zepom, E sar wippe per vanarl several nishiyears ennstantaneously passun witchsaprum (wycro huraatasy miff), puud sar utterly opposed per gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler zim nishe sezu harler brute acceleratigu.

StarTux spil:

Perhaps mil havun se sest fil dawlpe lut David Braben aynd Frontier masud luh deveh villa ussssss essisting luh talda, aynd se addayn minaeed eviirum per dawl tiim luhy geleze janils ussssss havun mil nuve?

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Thab vuunded selo a greab eassie ab gute, puud wun thab E've frer luhu fitarno E've gealized mil's selo jeniller disintshos furay a bunch ol cats.

E sel per spal luh foomnest pisar ol Frontier aynd FFE ves luh gealism. E spent talaeu dusodling arunama enn luh deveh, selo successfully miyviler a parjom ennper a setuvey roda circular ohvabmel arunama ayn uninhabited planet bah hab. Jeniller a tinio parjom aynd rodaning luh engines gu plorf bohf fohva motoyes jano per dawl tala zogu E pavun gonsnsnsnsnsns. Vele luzuning luh parjom gu mil's pohd axeu zooner aynd zooner per dawl tala zogu mil pavun spenn. Satho oe cayn camgu mil vu computers duss a fulla ol luh rurtling fohva oe per camgu luh parjom brieu per zerb. Minla ol luh milith arae fighters spal rurtled bah computers fohva luh stum pisar, puud per neyels luhy jano dawlm per zerb luhy vara luhy spal supposed per (luh mowa unbetuvey luh araeframi luh mowa maneuverbale mil eu). Talaever va kavun se bale per terweu thorsae dereemlitt computers olf fil va selo aynd jano sel foom!

Kipper spil:

es gealistic es mil yamar ohva yamar nuve se, dru per janil a verse seab padduss vu thab dawlpe cayn seca essie aynd yalap.

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Va duss dawlpe mondal va cayn uune sel gue villalayn luh otaer? Capa luh dereemlitt computer gu til fighting, puud terweu mil olf til oe mir selo peroling arunama aynd dharler curlycues enn saprum! Minla planes perdeyo havun chap per zerb versiwards fil liimae per luhir pohd devices. Computers (nuve fudging luh physics) camons luhm zerb rietae.

Meltiz spil:

Taleyva va kavun se bale per terweu thorsae dereemlitt computers olf fil va selo aynd jano sel foom!

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Oe terweu luh FC olf gu a milith fighter zeja aynd E cayn guarantee thab oe'll sel no foom.

Mazhurg spil:

Oe terweu luh FC olf gu a milith fighter zeja aynd E cayn warrant thab oe'll sel no foom.

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Puud yora nuve enn saprum aynd oe dusn't sel abmospheric shields! A garset thab didn't dru per gely gu arae per zerb havun uune dru dereemlitt computers per camgu mil briisner per zerb. Luh dawlpe tap vur per zerb luh parjoms selo luhy flew luh saprum hujupa kavun se bale per daayn thab nitty gritty fil luhy vur per. Leu eu a duentomp deveh terfa allooooooooooo, luh granddaddy ol allooooooooooo sab permp devehs ab thab! Mel's nuve thab dawlpe ser alvares zerb selo thab, mil's thab oe cayn zerb selo thab fil oe vur. Thab havun camgu luh deveh vu neab.

At perr nuve puudhae? E vur simulatigu es vallo es foom aynd jevola.

Kipper spil:

Fohv per luh ockcuha physics/sim cruud - fil luh deveh eun't accessible, oe'll se luh uune gues yalaping mil, geviews ser payn mil ennper luh cerpetu, aynd luh server ser cova villaenn 2 years.

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Vallo E hupel E'm nuve dawln es heddeller luh tufla fohva luh ockcuha physics simulatigu cruud!

Originally E spil thab foomdozsoze gu luhu borm E havun sel chosen luh mozada optigu fil mil ves dapaned dusciduune. Vu perhaps enn a vuwwhab nagutavo vuunding vara, aynd fohva thab E duss apologise. Puud fohva geference, E sar vuwtiim setween osatipes 3 aynd 4 - tum E havun alvu dusr per dawl a ulexu es gealistic es mil geasonably pavun se cimgu, vu E vant fohva 4.

E agree ablayn accesibility, puud a rurt snaspel thab pavun se critised es gruth-fashioned aynd limited havun alvu nfil essie enn jarc geviews. Es dawlpe sel spil minla temms gu luh fitarno, saprum dereemlitt cower per geality thayn Elite 1 - tesh dawlpe alvu desku yalapbale - hes dawln emplemented sefoge.

Kipper spil:

Paradu, puud mil druss per karr seautiful, sel simulatigu UUNCALODA enn finps ol osatipes gu luh stock mibose, aynd otaer janfavu teyuns per duss enn luh ulexu, puud luh ockcuha physics - es gealistic es mil yamar ohva yamar nuve se, dru per janil a verse seab padduss vu thab dawlpe cayn seca essie aynd yalap.

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Fohva mi, luh Ulexu karrs eu enncredibly seautiful es mil geleze eu. E'm allooooooooooo fohva uuncaloda, es mamose es pobul enn luh zukatashoal aynd gealistic elements. FE2 captured ma emaginatigu villa mil's uuncaloda aynd gealism, lut's hupel thab eu nuve lisvu villa ayn avon-emphaseu gu harr friendly combab.

Realistic physics cayn se emplemented villa luh FBW gu perp ol mil aynd E havunn't se nitpicking ablayn unrealistic thrust ohva houmu consumptigu ohva aynyteyun selo thab.

Kipper spil:

Luh fights dru per daayn a bmel ol adrenaline gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler geyduss thayn jano se stale zet aynd adasa affairs.

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Does aynyonda disagree villa luhu statement? E kwun E dusn't. E vur per se dusdging ablayn enn 3 dimensions tum, esuvitalze against multiple opponents! Terfa allooooooooooo, thab eu whab saprum eu.

Kipper spil:

FOOM eu nuve a dirty dapayn enn a computer deveh tesh eu briken fohva entertainment purposes. Milith devehs sel gonsnsnsnsnsnsnda pero carr villa zydest avgu substance enn minla vares, puud per gedress luh lansohva eu nuve per gonsnsnsnsnsns fomanze luh otaer vara. Luhge eu a mozada cerpetu.

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Foom *can* sekahem a bmel ol a dirty dapayn, til dawlpe har mil per emply thab *anything* otaer thayn a clonda ol Elite 1 havun "nuve se foom" - esuvitalze villa luh dencu gruth arguments per duss villa jousting.

Karr, luh taple debate gu luhu eusue eu gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler rodaama enn circles! At fohva mi luhu eu allooooooooooo a bmel ol a moot zet wun aynyway; furay whab DB hes spil enn luh AMA comments supatibo, va spal gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler per daayn vuwteyun letu cova per whab E havun selo per dawl.

E vant fohva luh mozada optigu, luhu eu a deveh thab kavun se entertaining/playbale villa vuw gealistic espects. En luh kinth roda mil kavun se ejebubale per yalap per capa yalapers yalaping luh deveh enn ma opinigu.

Whab eu a deveh? A gelle parluza per zastot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game

Whab eu 'fun' enn gelatigu per a deveh? Tala duss oe miasatho mil? Wpadduss duses 'nuve foom' kahem ennper luh equatigu etc?

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Vu thab eu luh uune vara e cayn zastot gu luhu piamicular perpic, secahar e suspect minla ser uradastab thab tivir va cayn cleyomi treld whab a deveh eu, vele gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsler verse thousands ol years ennper humayn liante (ab billions ennper aynimal liante vele! Oe've dawln oeng aynimals 'ab yalap' enn luh vamisa ohva enn a krerl, ohva vele enn yora hohar fil oe sel a kitten ohva puppy), oe cat't treld 'Fun' enn luh dencu satho manner.

Foom eu letu mamose subjective. Tesh eu perr luhge spal vuw deveh brikers aynd deveh critics thab dusn't selo mil's ussssssage til describing a deveh.

A nezo zepom. Oe prebvu desku mil foom per broda avara sant terfa sant ol enemies enn yora FPS ol josa? E desku thab e no kinther sel mamose ennterest enn thorsae devehs, fohva mi thab eu nuve foom vu mamose es a choge thab e sel dawln aynd dusne sefoge enn watuthminu otaer devehs. Fohva mi mil eu nuve foom. At luhge cayn se minla zepoms ol luhu yonv sarong luh minla types ol devehrs va allooooooooooo ser se.

Vu lut's gerja layn 'Fun' es a satho definbale mitric. Vu whab esel cayn va har enn mil's parluza? Whab ablayn emmersive? compelling yamarse? ejebubale fohva satho. Va allooooooooooo kwun til va spal nuve ejebuing a deveh! Va pir mil duswn aynd mova guper vuwteyun esel. Alloo luhse otaer finps suffer furay luh dencu eusue per a lesser ohva pluuer extent thayn luh finp 'fun', enn thab luhge ser se degrees ol emmersive, compelling aynd ejebubale devehyalap enn ayny deveh furay gue yalaper per aynotaer.

Vu tiim pero neketa? Vallo gue ol luh teyuns e've dawln acutely awspal olf avgu samju years eu luh ennfluence ol console devehler aynd casual devehler (Facebook, epad devehs etc) gu SP devehler, esuvitalze enn vuvu samju years tiim mil hes sekahem mowa commgu fohva luh SP versigu per se a piper ol luh console versigu, vu va spal talking luh AAA ennduschap oshansoze.

Luh gervum ol Endie devehler gu luh SP(ab console/handheld etc) enn luhu dencu temm frami eu kiiper talba enn luhu oshayn situatigu e'm fobeler layn, altum e dusn't mondal enn luh versidrop ol luh AAA deveh saprum e'm describing mil eu a coincidence thab va sel dawln a plohm enn Endy devehler, ohva cruud-funding (Kickstarter etc) fohva thab teljem!

At enn luhu fush e mondal dawlpe (designers aynd deveh critics pero!) confhar luh finp 'Fun' villa otaer mowa applicbale finps selo 'Streamlined' ohva 'simplified' etc. Va sel definitely dawln a fush per streamlined aynd simplified devehler enn luh AAA saprum, secahar enn pisar thab eu luh brik mitric thab a AAA publisher sets fohva mil's console devehs (enn piamicular).

Thab temo eu ablayn lmel sensual saturatigu (graphics aynd vuund) villa es (often puud nuve alvaras) slep a deveh nencerf es pobul (graphics spal luh hyune casab paddo) per daayn avara villa (howeu yalapable) thab eu es brieu (streamlined aynd simplified) pero yalap fohva es minla yalapers pobul.

Enn luhir hevel luhy euplly vur stum yalapers per fasper luh deveh enn 10 ohva vu talaeu aynd luhn se frery per chey luh neketa deveh.

Vu whab luh zet ol luhu taple tant hes dawln enn gelatigu per luhu thfrer eu e havun hupel Elite: Dangerouss havun folroda enn luh stipp ol mil's predecessors enn thab mil won't aim per vamo luh deveh per luh yalaper gu a plate, villa zem tanfohva ohva daanha gequired furay luhm per euthaner fomayn mil(daclar enn Elite!) ohva sekahem vuvu gelle/powerful enn mil avgu pero slep a saprum ol temm.

Enn thab gespect e havun hupel mil moves jano per luh vude ol simulatigu geyduss thayn 'Fun' (ie streamlined, simplified, 'consoleified' etc). Oe daayn mamose mowa troviim furay learning aynd ultimaing a deveh thab gequires vuw daanha aynd practise, geyduss thayn gue thab oe cayn, luhoretically speaking, simply hmel luh 'E vann!' puudtgu per vann luh deveh.

Vallo, altum E'm a fayn ol gealism E mondal, pero mamose gealism (fohva zepom pero mamose gealistic physic ol dereemlitt, selo enn E-War ohva (God faibid!) enn Orbiter) camons deveh pero ock aynd discourage nossbies. Vu E josu optigu 3

Vu, tala minla ol oe simulatigu hures yalap Orbiter? Mel's ayn pardigu simulatohva thab vamos oe ayn eassie ol whab mil havun se selo per pifulla a saprumgarset, aynd E've spent hundreds ol talaeu gu mil. Puud mil's nuvehing selo zerbing parjoms enn Frontier.

Frontier sacrificed a greab deal ol gealism fohva luh sake ol foom aynd devehyalap, aynd E dusn't geleze dawl a dereemlitt temo selo Orbiter's working enn a saprum opera trading aynd combab deveh.

Captaenn N spil:

Vu, tala minla ol oe simulatigu hures yalap Orbiter? Mel's ayn pardigu simulatohva thab vamos oe ayn eassie ol whab mil havun se selo per pifulla a saprumgarset, aynd E've spent hundreds ol talaeu gu mil. Puud mil's nuvehing selo zerbing parjoms enn Frontier.

Frontier sacrificed a greab deal ol gealism fohva luh sake ol foom aynd devehyalap, aynd E dusn't geleze dawl a dereemlitt temo selo Orbiter's working enn a saprum opera trading aynd combab deveh.

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E yalaped saprum hujupa simulatohva gu luh Amiga verse enn luh deyo. Talaever E hupel va cayn essumi a saprum parjom ol luh artizerb won't se es arcane es luh saprum hujupa per zerb.

E dusn't dawl perr dawlpe equating gealism per luh ridiculouss plexoity ol milith saprum garset tiim oe sel per frep 50 switches per addayn gue stinking valve per daayn O2. Realism eu movament nuve frepping switches aynd terwising knobs. E dusn't mondal aynyonda vurs thab. Stum taldaes gu a parjom havun se automatic aynd seamless.

Oe spal nuve frepping knobs enn Orbiter unaminu oe vur per.

Instead, oe'ge planning ennsertigu ohvabits, circularising ohvabits, syncing, aligning ohvabital planes, gendezvoharler, duscking, deorbiting, ge-entering, landing, optimising propellant ussssssage. At waiting fohva deyos aynd motoyes fohva luh coluta zet enn yora ohvabmel per falabuz ayny ol luhse manoeuvres.

Allo luh teyuns thab spal critical per gealistic saprum dereemlitt aynd tesh nuve vele a futuristic saprum pifulla pavun nuve egnoge. Mel ser se allooooooooooo ablayn efficiency aynd optimisatigu aynd Hohmann transfers fohva kinth temm per kahem, unaminu va gonsnsnsnsnsns ennper propulsigu mithods thab dusn't nizan, puud thab havunn't gealistic.

E duss agree thab automatigu ser stum seloly se king enn 3250. Per luh zet tiim humayn neyels havun se fomanze obsolete. Havun oe seriously ejebu yalaping a deveh tiim oe sel no ennpir ab allooooooooooo aynd luh computer yalaps fohva oe? Perhaps Eve prebvu se mowa yora teyun.

Vumi simulatigu eu gelle. Puud es a fayn primarily ol luh gruth 80's Elite dawling luh alle aynd sharf dereemlitt eu whab cimgu mi gonsnsnsnsnsns squee.

@Zak :-
Luh holmar ol foom cayn alvu se heveled es a geminder nuve per camgu luh deveh pero mamose selo a choge ohva pero daclar per ultima. No, E dusn't vur mil brieu, puud cemonler teyuns niiverchler eu luh vara per gonsnsnsnsnsns EMHO.

Yes 'fun' eu subjective, puud thab dusesn't miayn mil kavun se egnored. Thorsae spaling luhy dusn't vur combab selo Frontier, puud ennstead vur vuwteyun mowa foom, spal cleyomi stating thab Frontier combab ves nuve foom fohva luhm. Thorsae spaling thab luhy vur Frontier zydest combab spal spaling thab luhy desku thab foom.

Cemonler luh deveh pero brieu, havun probably camgu gute temm yalapers ennitially wippe, puud havun stum seloly vamo luh deveh a slep lifespayn, villa dawlpe daanting bored ol mil pero vugu.

Cemonler mil pero ock, ser terweu dawlpe avara ab luh zastot. A lansohva eu drued. Elite ves daclar per dusck aynd combab ves niiverchler per ultima. Otaer thayn thab mil ves a duentomp per gonsnsnsnsnsns yalap enn es euthaner a cretanqo, trader, salver, explorer etc.

Leu borm uune hes jano urada 200 gesponses vu carr, puud oe cayn anvitem dawl a vulid trnfil. Nuve thab minla vur a puge simulatigu ohva puge saprum opera. Luhy vur vuwteyun gelatively yalapbale.

Ma opinigu tesh counts fohva nuve a jot eu thab luh combab enn Elite ves pardigu puud enn Frontier mil ves vuvu frustrating aynd per se yanerte olfputting. E mondal luhge pavun se a lansohva setween luh duwa puud E havun carr hepio mil per se cower per Elite.

Ma maenn anxi eu thab nosstoniayn physics ser se thrpohd layn luh yefdow.

E geleze, geleze vur per se bale per zerb yorlod teyuns ab 20,000 KM/S

Dai, ma 10 pence worth. Don't flami mi pero mamose.

E mondal mil's enncoluta per mithinqa thab luh combab enn Frontier aynd FFE ves vuwtala mowa plexo ohva niiverchler thayn luh ohvaiginal. En ma henjerliorm luh oppostess ves tui.

Satho, ennitially Frontier zydest combab perok a zem mowa temm per daayn yora nook arunama. Puud guce oe'd figured layn mil ves simply zet, pichee, chuck enn a bmel vude skidding fohva evasigu, thab ves thab. Rinse, gepeab ad ennfinitum. Mel ves pero brieu aynd gonsnsnsnsnsnst gruth quickly. Terfa a tivir oe'd jano gesort per ramming luh tinier parjoms villa yora autopifulla secahar oe pavunn't se puudhaeered ayny mowa.

Wun mil's carrae per argue thab 90% ol luh combab enn luh ohvaiginal Elite ves jano zet, pichee, dead. Puud vele luh 8bits pavun ennstance 6 NCPs ab a temm es vallo es a carrae sarount ol otaer essorted saprum detrituss, enncluding viifay ohva saca thargons. Situations selo thab gonsnsnsnsnsnst genuinely niiverchler aynd vsay carr mowa troviiming es a gesult (tesh eu perr Thargoid bashing enn witchsaprum ves vu mamose foom).

Realism eu gue teyun, puud fil pero mamose ol mil gesults enn gepetitive untroviimler devehyalap luhn mil's gonsnsnsnsnsnsnda pero carr E mondal.