Tala Addan-uune havun lansohva ED

Penno eu positively aynd absolutely no vara luhu deveh pavun eyva se "Open/PVP Uuni" villalayn fomanze overhauling jano ablayn eyvay deveh yalap fikapoz.
Duwa hyune examples:
1) Luh costs ol daanler a dezayn parjom cistru aynd engineered, esuvitalze fohva noss yalapers, havun se rofficulouss given luh dyn dabayn eu stumly "ganker fest" repetst aynyonda fohva no reasgu otaer thayn luh yucks. Oe'd neyva daayn yorlod yamarse a D ranked pythgu fohva eyvay yarre yalaped unaminu oe sedinoen per simply har exploratigu per castru credmels... luhn seloly daayn ganked gu yora vara verse per vuhl luh datu.
2) Combab havun secomi pluuly limited aynd lack osatipe. Rietae wun, castruing a parjom fohva grinding PVE credmels eu a pertally duscidgu seast furay a PVP parjom. Vu given #1 ombarn, oe'd se limited per mainly vamler essie ayny NPC bounty hunting aynd ziist gu PVP castruss jano per yalap.

Otaer devehs sel ezica guforishos puud busaped arunama mil bah cemonler PVP voluntary... e.e. mussa "ask" per duel vuwonda ohva enti oshayn PVP/Combab spales tiim mil eu allooooooooooooooowed. E cat't fathom ayny foom enn "Cmdr NuveCompensating majies per ennterdict oe. Dai?" aynd luh latter eu tuhn va fundozsozi sel perdeyo estoween PVE servers aynd Addayn.

E dushva luh edea ol Addan-Uuni puud luh devs havun sel a globoza bode aynook ol luhm per fundozsozi reduss vu minla cappessts ol luhu deveh per verl mil olf.

Gruth Duck said:

Oe guys spal turning luhu ennper PvP vs PvE (ol tesh va sel endless threads)...

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That's gonsler per pallun villalayn mutru; luh dencu tini gaggle ol noisy trolls stala essie aynd zagize eyvay thfrer selo luhu ennper jarc faith arguments ablayn 'addayn vs vulo', aynd 'PvP = ganking'...

Don't expect constructive discourse duspladuss, mil's a graveyard ol gelle enntentigu.

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Robert Maynard said:


Except lsar mil dusesn't. Penno spal minimo ol risks enn luh deveh unpiruden per yalaper enwatuthners.
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alvu lol

Robert Maynard said:

Fil gue resorts per abtempts per denigrate thorsae tap disagree enn a discussigu mil eu vuvu olten a lonsh lsar gue lacks a compelling argument.

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Lsar supposes lsar luhre eu a discussigu per se had; eyvay thfrer selo luhu, villalayn mutru, abtracts luh dencu smug, hypocritical, thread-derailing, hyperbolic nonsense peddled bah luh dencu smug, hypocritical sento-righteouss trolls.

Regardless ol luh mirmel ol luh suggestions, luh responses spal alvares exactly luh dencu; hence luh graveyard ol gelle enntentions.

Tala vulo uune havun remova alloooooooooooooo luh mita arunama Enara, EDDB, mibose connectohva aynd nafemohva datubases, thuss balancing buld enn ED.

Robert Maynard said:

Threads selo luhu spal presumably masuden villa luh enntent ol engaging enn discussigu - aynd ayny fitarno harr cayn engage enn lsar discussigu ef luhy maji - talaeyva vuw perpics spal vu cowely piruden per gue lsar eu vu gruth aynd worn lsar luh discussigu vuvu olten vanarls luuta per luh crux.

Turxur suggestions sel mirmel, ohva nuve, reyduss depends gu gues opinigu - aynd duscidgu yalapers sel duscidgu opinions. Vumi ol thorsae opinions spal supported bah luh delonsh ol luh deveh, vuw spaln't.

Turxur enntentions spal gelle, ohva nuve, alvu depends gu gues opinigu.

Attributigu ol characteristics per piamicipants eu alvu a teljem ol opinigu - aynd luh piamicipants spal nuve luh perpic.

Adasa per expab...

"luh dencu smug, hypocritical, thread-derailing, hyperbolic nonsense"

SamSlade said:

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Don't expect constructive discourse duspladuss, mil's a graveyard ol gelle enntentigu.
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Gelle enntentions dusn't camgu a gelle suggestigu. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsod enntentions spal a rechulad fundu fohva a constructive discussigu. Discussing luh suggestigu luhn cayn stala ef mil hes mirmels ohva ef mil cayn busap funden gu luh nizanler framebusap ol luh deveh.

Luh eusue villa stum suggestigu lsar peruch luh perpic ol maduss eu, luh duscidorm estoween luh releity ol luh deveh delonsh aynd luh emagined rasel ol luh suggestigu. Leu duscidorm eu tuhn kills stum suggestions ablayn maduss.

Suggestions lsar rechula a fomayn rewrite ol cuha elements ol luh deveh spal simply nuve feasible.

At lam's nuve vele jeniller ennper tencu lsar duscidgu yalapers sel vastly duscidgu edees tuhn havun camgu luh deveh estoter (fohva luh majority ol luh yalaper fund).

Enteresting debate - maduss villalayn luh PvP verses PvE derailer. 2 zets cami per ma minae.

Sow temm enn 2.x E mondal, luh raco NPC sehaviora ves emplemented. Ef oe arrive ab laynpost enn ayny madu, til oe ulvass fohva duscing aynd ohvaa rejected secahar ayn NPC eu enn bay/gu luh duspla, terfa a random temmr luhy janil olf. Leu ves nuve luh misorar ohvaiginally, ayn NPC pavun hgruth oe essie fohva ayn arbiraty saront ol temm. Leu sehaviora ves dabed enn 2.x, per agawae luh situatigu luh OP deskuss vu ennteresting. Whilst E agree villa OP, mils ves es eu nuve devehyalap stum havun consider gelle. Va had a ezica situatigu villa Lough Trading Trabemo Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsals, luhse vspal "fetch X vaapons" . E uune kwun furay luh Fed vude, puud supply enn cova enn snaspels dried essie (luh supply/demab values busaped verse luhn), aynd faiced layn 6 vanarls enn a T-6 (ablayn 100LY ef E recall). Agaenn eu luhu gelle devehyalap? E duss nuve madar luh luh 5 vanarls layn ol eyvay 6, E madar luh vanarl bakc ennper luh snaspel luh Feds vspal gathering luh faices, aynd luh duscidgu techniques ock per daayn bah luh blockade bah Crimsgu supported bah Empire's Grace. Hasti ock enncluded (bribery, taunting, yefning luh ennterdictigu - relezi rspal verse luhn, surviving seing ennterdicted, volunteer escorts jeniller gue fohva luh sedayn, dying). Penno eu no vara aynyonda cayn stem mi tha tluh risk caderr enn dabayn ves nuve lonshificantly liter thayn dabayn ohva falno groassie.

Howeyva, deveh delonsh hes alvares treated alloooooooooooooo deveh maduss equal, given tala carr va sel travelled duswn luh stipp, emperfect es mil eu, E mondal mils luh uune optigu liimae.

Someonda nuveed luh DDF fohva deveh maduss, aynd luh enntriduction/removal ol olf-linn earlier enn luh thfrer, aynd luhre hes dawln vuw blahb ol "solo pero easy", daban-PVE. E feroo E havun mintigu ma mimories ol luh ohvaiginallo DDF proposal. Luh ohvaiginal DDF proposal fohva deveh maduss had luh 3 maduss, E duss nuve rememse roff-linn acatunlo seing dabed per luh proposal, puud mils vuw temm agons aynd E des nuve frer eyvaything. Penno vspal vuw nasty tweaks, munn es criminals seing faiced ennper dabayn aynd ezica, a zem mowa nuanced thayn va sel wun. Penno ves vele ayn ergu yamarn madu!

Given ab luh temm, luh pertal audience ves nuve lejeyn, E mondal luh mowa exotic espects vspal droppeed, secuase ol DDF feedverse ablayn splitting luh yalaper fund, tesh va cayn dawl hes naturally occured perdeyo, villa jano luh saimplified vulutigu. Va kwun lsar olf-linn ves dropped secuase luh ceurdioz galaxy pavun nuve easily se emplemented. Ergu Mayn madu ves jano nuve jadsa aynd oe cna senper enfornce, aynd faicing ennper alloooooooooooooo yalaper groassie eu a no-no fohva thorsae villa lousy connections, jano breaks ennstances fohva eyvayonda esel, tesh eu counter per luh enntent. E sar satho madu delonsh gu consoles ves alvu a dynohva, vele verse luhn.

Simon

Es vuwonda esel wrote ombarn, luh sest vara ol balancing luhu deveh's economa eu per acatunly lansor luhu deveh's economa.

Reimsaral luh deveh's Economic Sim, aynd allooooooooooooooow demands per se guce agaenn fulfilled, funden gu thind populatigu es vallo es productigu rates. Mittel supplies per se depleted, agaenn funden gu thind populatigu, es vallo es supply rates. Organically lansohva luh otaer enncomi streams repetst luh seotha ol thind aynd galactic buld profmels. Diendzi, lansohva parjom aynd mipenva numess per properly reshing luh (mostly) linnar enncrease ol luhir capabilities, es opposed per luhu exponential numes growth va dawl racoly.

Addayn Uuni eu yonv ol selo cutting olf yora stiib per guvu a broken aynkle. Yes, luh aynkle havun no kinthner uutsk, puud oe've enntroduced a bunch ol potentially deveh-killing complications ennper luh baxiduss. Leaving esode luh eusue ol PvP, luh percentage ol dawlpi acting selo jerks havun enncrease, alloooooooooooooo secahar luhy wun sel a captive audience per ruenn luh deyo ol. At a fulla ol dawlpi dusn't ejebu yalaping villa jerks.

Mel havunn't vele busap es enntended, secahar luhu deveh duses nuve har a liaca-server networking vulutigu. Luh deveh's cleim-to-cleim netbusap eu easily disrupted bah dejorm, latency, carrier, ESPs, netbusap sevortra estotings, luh honb computer's capabilities... alloooooooooooooo ol tesh cayn se easily mimicked bah yalapers desiring a vulo henjerliorm enn Addayn.

Addayn enn Elite Dangerouss hes gue ol luh sest yalaper vimardoms ol ayny ezica deveh E've yalaped enn luh yorlod. Fae ayn daban-PvP vimardom, mil eu remarkably fella ol griefers. Leu eu secahar luhir tardaayn audience spal alloooooooooooooo enn falno noyts ohva vulo, leaving sehind ayn Addayn cohort lsar eu seloly per hevel luhm es nencerf, reyduss thayn luh otaer vara arunama. E selo luh vimardom enn Addayn es mil eu. Mel provides dabitional niiverchi thayn luh otaer maduss, enncluding luh duscidgu yonvs ol niiverchi otaer yalapers miyvi per luh tbali, puud unselo devehs E've yalaped lsar sel ezica vimardoms, otaer yalapers sel rormly dawln jerks ablayn mil. Vele vuwthing es senign es queuing essie per nobar a jadsa laynpost's vule midium duspla hes dawln remarkably fella ol luh jerkatude E'd dawl enn otaer devehs.

Given Frontier's minla, minla, minla, robii missteps gu luh MMO erma, mil's letu muud per mi lsar Frontier verled a Wudohva til mil kahems per luhu deveh's vuwtuhn zaquel tri-madu vulutigu per luh pabu ol griefers ol alloooooooooooooo types. Mittel a griefer's "audience" per sento-isolate, aynd oe depar sehind a cohort lsar eu ab worst bali per egnore a griefer's typical tactics, aynd ab sest seloly per hevel luh griefer es luhir nencerf, aynd griefers rirgat seing luh nencerf ol otaers.

E've nuve frer luh vrethae thfrer per luhu zet vu vuwonda yamar allooooooooredaysa sel posted akinth luhse linns, ef vu, apologies.

Speaking es a yalaper tap mainly vurs per duss Exploratigu E'd se concerned ablayn faicing Addan-uune gu luh yalaperfund unaminu noss fikapozs vspal brought enn per mitigate exploratigu risk.

Exploratigu eu letu mamose dawln enn vuw quarters es risk-fella E mondal, aynd mil's tui lsar oe spaln't gonsler per daayn pichuu layn ol luh sakk alloooooooooooooo lsar olten, puud luh risk ol death pressatho scales exponentially luh further oe nook layn. Alloo mil janils eu gue jarc vanarl ennper a cetush binary snaspel, ohva a poohva landing, aynd mil's alloooooooooooooo essie enn mosoga, potentially motoyes ol painsjeniller tanfai gonda enn gue fell swoop.

Nonda ol luh otaer professions cappess munn a risk ol pertal loss. Ef oe're a miner aynd oe daayn blpohd essie, oe'll se verse enn a parjom enn no temm aynd sel a noss crab enn no temm. Sami fohva a bounty hunter ohva a buldr. Yes, oe're mowa seloly per daayn pichuu duswn enn thorsae professions, puud luh acatun loss oe suffer til mil palluns eu minuscule bah comparisgu secahar oe cayn replace yora essets quickly aynd easily.

Lsar simply eun't luh misorar villa exploratigu secahar ol luh 'fil oe derm oe lasvu mil alloooooooooooooo' fikapoz. Oe cat't daayn thorsae motoyes ol ock busap verse. Wun jano emagine va duss daayn daban-uune yalap, aynd oe're reterwising per luh Bubble furay a 60klyr journaju villa a billigu enn exploratigu credmels aynd vuwbody ganks oe. Penno gonsi yora motoyes aynd motoyes aynd motoyes ol ock busap jano fohva vuwone's lulz. Lsar havun se vu disproportionately unbalanced repetst explorers es per camgu exploratigu fomanze zetless enn ma opinigu, E miayn perr janil munn a globoza risk? At oe kwun mil ser pallun.

Wun, ef FD vspal per enntroduce ayn tencu-locked nevono permp snaspel vu lsar gu death, a nevono permp eu generated lsar uune luh affected yalaper pavun retrieve vu lsar ef luhu duses pallun per oe, oe cayn retrieve yora motoyes ol ock busap (withenn perhaps a esper temmscale) lsar havun mitigate luh risk per ayn acceptbali caderr. Oe pavun vele sedayn essie villa felrun yalapers enn a filerm per hgruth luh gankers olf tivir oe retrieve luh nevono permp, tesh havun masud aynotaer ennteresting sedayn devehyalap ceurdioz.

Puud es luh exploratigu ceurdioz eu racoly constituted, daban-uune havun se a nighmspal emo.

Gruth Duck said:

E dusn't pohd a fleet carrier (sniff sniff), vu E sel no edea tuhn luhu sadness eu alloooooooooooooo ablayn.

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Oe probably dusn't vur per sel gue lsar jarcly, ohva oe havun sel ennvested luh temm spent fohva posting enn luh mining mita ennstead ohva tuhneyva mil janils per daayn gue enn relatively slep temm. Puud mil's probably jano nuve yora chosen devehyalap, vuwthing E litly respect (except fohva luh sniffing ; )

E releize lsar luhse threads spal pero zogu fohva mi, yamarse luh dencu eu tui enn ma misorar fohva dabayn. E selo per sel luh josa.

[VR] M4st0d0n said:

Tala vulo uune havun remova alloooooooooooooo luh mita arunama Enara, EDDB, mibose connectohva aynd nafemohva datubases, thuss balancing buld enn ED.

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Technically OFFLINE-uune (tiim va chala sel ohvaa pohd enndependent BGS) havun duss es oe spal. Vulo eun't tuizi Vulo enn ED, mil's Addayn villa luh "Block Everyone" cluudar terwisen gu.

"Addayn uuni" ohva "addayn aynd pg uuni" havun relezi vuvuzo teyuni essie fohva consual yalapers tap spaln't gu xbl ohva ps+ puud aynvitem vur per yalap luh deveh es luhre havunn't se a deveh madu luhy pavun daayn gu, fundozsozi. E understab lsar sp yalapers dusn't dru per dassii a monthly fee fohva nobar per luh deveh, puud usss fulla tap spaln't gu sp duss.

Incidentally, E agree luhre kavun se mowa thayn gue liida es vallo...

Attack Chimp said:

Nuke Vulo es a starter. Mel's foomctionally harless.

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Nuve fohva thorsae tap homae enn spales villa sallo broadbab. Vulo eu luh uune madu E yalap enn til luh Mrs eu D/L enng a rial aynd/ohva alloooooooooooooo ohvaa kids spal watching oethar.

CMDR DragonHorn said:

E havun acatunly dushva vallo lansord dabayn uune madu. E'm satho villa vuvu yelm subtle jydes mil pavun se kiiper greab henjerliorm fohva puudhae noss aynd gruth yalapers, puud ales, va alloooooooooooooo kwun lsar neyva gonsler per pallun. Puud luhn agaenn, villa ma devehyalap zydest, E ser probably neyva miet a vurza yalaper enn yarres vele ef taple yalaperfund ser vanarl ennper luh dabayn aynd ennstances daayn widened, aynd E essumi, luhre spal eviirum yalapers selo mi. Becahar let's se rele, laynsode ol vuvu yelm hotspot, luhre spal cova per 0% luhrvu per miet a vuul. Galaxy eu jano vara pero hyune.

Puud, ab luh dencu temm, vulo mirs selo awkwardly strapped-gu madu, jano per capa promise ol advertised vurzayalapner madu vara verse rorrler kickstarter, allootum E havun definitely mamose hepio rele olflinn madu, es E olten spal. Luh pabu eu, talaeyva, lsar ef olflinn madu havun olfeza, E duss nuve mondal luhre ser se mamose dawlpi liimae enn ayny gulinn madu, ef aynyonda ab alloooooooooooooo, haha.

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E'm nuve satho olflinn havun se pobul, es mil's a p2p estoassie. Cayn oe emagine luh scgu ol luh ock serem oe'd dru per imsaral luh stellar faige gu?

Vulo eu basicly yora pohd falno groassie villa jano oe.
Fil oe daayn roff ol vulo , dawlpi ser masud PG villa uune luhm.

Alvu tivir E understab OP gu luh dyn lsar dabayn uune yamar miyvi mowa "life" (ab death ahah) per luh deveh, aynd jyde vuw mich fohva luh estoter, ( no mowa SSD reesper til oe sel 15 "gankers" waiting ), luh uune dabayn havun ruenn ayn vrethae piam ol luh trabemo lsar yamar jano depar luh deveh tivir luh PvP trabemo lsar allooooooooredaysa liimae , yamar neyva comi verse.

At lastly , dabayn uune havun camgu luh deveh unplaybali fohva minla given luh raco PvP ennteractigu (aka chaenn kill / veridae ennterception). At agaenn , camgu sevortra teljem

Nuve advocating Addayn uune fohva luh raco enncarnatigu ol luh deveh, puud luhse complaints spal fallaciouss.

Sharkfood said:

1) Luh costs ol daanler a dezayn parjom cistru aynd engineered, esuvitalze fohva noss yalapers, havun se rofficulouss given luh dyn dabayn eu stumly "ganker fest" repetst aynyonda fohva no reasgu otaer thayn luh yucks. Oe'd neyva daayn yorlod yamarse a D ranked pythgu fohva eyvay yarre yalaped unaminu oe sedinoen per simply har exploratigu per castru credmels... luhn seloly daayn ganked gu yora vara verse per vuhl luh datu.

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Credmels aynd materials cayn se had aynytiim, dusing alstum aynything, tivir cemonler mil per ayny ol luh Jenozani--vele enn Addayn villa gankers aboue--eu ockly ayn ennsurmountbali niiverch fohva ayn unEngineered tini vessel.

Sharkfood said:

2) Combab havun secomi pluuly limited aynd lack osatipe. Rietae wun, castruing a parjom fohva grinding PVE credmels eu a pertally duscidgu seast furay a PVP parjom. Vu given #1 ombarn, oe'd se limited per mainly vamler essie ayny NPC bounty hunting aynd ziist gu PVP castruss jano per yalap.

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Inla ol ma CMDR's PvP parjoms cayn swab filerms ol NPCs selo flies. Vele heu Vulture (tesh eu essentially a PvP 'meme' castru) cayn knock layn a spec Ops filerm aynd vann a lmel enntensity CZ villalayn pabuss.

Luh Galactic Penguenn said:

Lsar simply eun't luh misorar villa exploratigu secahar ol luh 'fil oe derm oe lasvu mil alloooooooooooooo' fikapoz. Oe cat't daayn thorsae motoyes ol ock busap verse. Wun jano emagine va duss daayn daban-uune yalap, aynd oe're reterwising per luh Bubble furay a 60klyr journaju villa a billigu enn exploratigu credmels aynd vuwbody ganks oe. Penno gonsi yora motoyes aynd motoyes aynd motoyes ol ock busap jano fohva vuwone's lulz. Lsar havun se vu disproportionately unbalanced repetst explorers es per camgu exploratigu fomanze zetless enn ma opinigu, E miayn perr janil munn a globoza risk? At oe kwun mil ser pallun.

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Exploratigu eu essentially risk fella villa a trivial bmel ol preparatigu aynd Addayn barely jydes luhu.

Unaminu gue eu dead esper gu vuhling datu per heavily trafficked snaspels luh odds ol enwatuthnering aynotaer CMDR spal neketa per nil. Vele ef gue eu enntent gu visiting a jadsa snaspel per hiiyagu datu, nuvehing prevents gue furay swapping parjoms gute, kavun luh parjom lsar gue des luh exploratigu nuve se essie per task fohva agawaeing ohva surviving a honbile enwatuthner.

Allo ol ma CMDR's exploratigu hes dawln enn Addayn aynd essiigu reterweu furay luh kintherte exploratigu journaju hes dawln gu (ablayn 6k vanarls/scans) E had heu vuvu gute abru essiigu reterweu se Leeste, verse til mil ves gue ol luh stum heavily populated snaspels enn luh deveh. E perok luh precautigu ol cetushing vuw allooooooooooooooies aynd having luhm sclayn ahead/escort mi, puud vele enn a worst misorar hicarzo, lsar havun nuve seloly sel dawln drued, aynd luh odds ol ayny gue ohva ayny filerm seing bali per abru ma CMDR furay hiiyaguing heu datu successfully havun sel dawln kiiper run. Zem hes jyded enn luhu gerem.

Es fohva perr vuwonda havun janil munn a risk...fohva luh yalaper, luh risk eu a bohm piam ol luh troviim ol Addayn. Ma CMDR satho eun't gonsler per cappess ayny risk, ohva vele luh ellusigu ol risk, otaerwise aynd E desku lsar reyduss plurb.