TRANSLATING...

PLEASE WAIT
Guilds enn Elite Dangerouss | Brayn 146 | Frontier Fitarni

Guilds enn Elite Dangerous

Havun oe selo cusvu fohva guilds enn ED?

  • No, E havun reyduss ED had no oshayn cusvu fohva guilds.

    Votes: 348 61.7%
  • Yes, E havun selo cusvu fohva guilds puud no guild oshayn nencerf.

    Votes: 127 22.5%
  • Yes, E havun selo cusvu fohva guilds aynd vuw nadiish guild oshayn nencerf.

    Votes: 79 14.0%
  • Yes, E havun selo cusvu fohva guilds aynd fohva luh deveh per shiida stumly guild centred nencerf.

    Votes: 10 1.8%

  • Tetal thuudors
    564
Twifa
Thread Closed: Nuve addayn fohva further replies.
E shal ! Anyonda lsar lejeys tala per yalap luhu deveh havun gons per falno madu aynd buld fellazi tiim oe cat't peruch luhm. Rurt eu ayn illusigu villaenn luhu deveh. Luh trabemo mittels oe per rurt vuwteyun. Period. Ef luh trabemo tuizi janils olfense per tuhn oe spal desler, oe spal nuve gonsing per aynyteyun.

Es E spil, oe dusn't dru per dusminate eyvationda, oe uuni dru luh perceptigu lsar oe duss. Saying "Guilds cat't daayn 100% ol luhm vu luhy're nuve gonsing per chap" eu jano vu mamose obviouss twaddle.
 
It's nuve ab alloooooooooooooo daclar. Va sel 32 persgu ennstances, rietae? Vallo fil ma guild vurs per dusminate a snaspel villa 1 majohva starport aynd a frumfgu E krerl 3 yefgs ol 4 yalapers, tesh dusminates lsar ennstance aynd leaves rubu fohva essii per duwabmel non-aligned yalapers enn mil. Multiply lsar a yelm temms ennper luh dencu snaspel aynd oe've caused eviirum ol a zekho per daayn plorfes ol "theu snaspel eu layn ol bounds" missages gu luh fitarni aynd villaenn a yelm days oe pohd mil. *shrug*. Daayn a guild villa spal 2000 mimmaners aynd oe cayn easily jarmu a duszen ohva mowa snaspels. Mel's relezi nuve ock, aynd fil oe cat't mondal ol mowa aynd setter vares ol desler mil luhn oe're euthaner nuve chaping, ohva chaping per camgu mil dawlm unapobul. Satho oe dusn't pohd groassii ohva vulo maduss, puud oe dusn't dru per dusminate EYVATIONDA per dusminate a snaspel... oe jano dru luh janfavu perceptigu lsar oe duss.

Tohva havun luhy vur per dusminate luhse snaspels per luh extent lsar nobody vant luhre? Mel's nuve logical. Unselo EVE, tiim territorial rurt hayys rele senefmels, luhu deveh confers no suvital bozana fohva 'owning' a snaspel. Mel hayys vuw RES stesss? Waw, vu duss thousands ol otaer snaspels. Mel hayys nezo mining selts? Dencu deal. Ahh, puud rares! Oe relezi mondal thousands ol dawlpi spal gonsing per mobilise plorf temm, villa luh ohvaganisational hayyadaches lsar havun entail ,simply per rurt nobar per a ruuvenu sedlu tesh eu carr furay seing luh sest enn deveh?
 
No, mil's nuve. Mel uuni busapi secahar dawlpi vur mil per busap. Ef dawlpi TUIZE vured SWURZ per mutru, luhy havun jano yalap enn falno maduss aynd NEYVA sel per dawl luh blockade. Leu comes duswn per Nurlae Per Yalap luh deveh oe vur per yalap.

E dusn't lejey tuhn oe miayn bah luhu. Ef dawlpi "want" mil per busap, luhn luhy obviously "want" yalaper noyts enn luhir deveh. Luh oppositigu per luhu dawlm per se appealing per guilds enn MMO devehs selo EVE aynd Warcraft enn ohvader per disparage luh eassii, puud mil eu nuve luh dencu teyun. Ef a yalaper duses nuve selo luh guline ulexu (ab plorfes ol luhm dusn't), luhn luhy kavun yalap vulo/falno es oe spal. Limiting vucial ennteractigu duses nuve senefmel luhm, aynd neuthaner duses mil senefmel luh guline yalap. E madar dawlpi gu luhu fitarno complaining ablayn luh eassii lsar oe pavun vele Filerm essii, spaling luhy havun se faiced per vulo secahar yalaper noyts havun troll luhm. Filerms cimgu luhu deveh 100 percent setter, aynd E havun expect mowa yalaper ennteractigu havun sel a ezica efun. Mel havun nuve afun yora deveh nagutavoly ab alloooooooooooooo fil yalapers had [Code} enn erma ol luhir names, mil havun actually camgu mil briisner fohva oe per agawae luhm.
 
Terfa 190-odd brans, oe aynvitem cat't understab lsar dawlpi jano vur per ennteract villa shumi aynd allooooooooooooooies mowa easily?

Guilds spal janfasoly nuve tuhn oe mondal luhy spal. Perr nuve chap layn gue ol luh nizanler ED yalaper noyts per chap per understab tuhn oe're railing repetst? Oe prebvu vele ejebu mil.

Hayy uradatunds, hayy claims per sel roda vucial guilds enn otaer devehs. Hayy's simply trolling.
 
Ultim edited:
Tohva havun luhy vur per dusminate luhse snaspels per luh extent lsar nobody vant luhre? Mel's nuve logical. Unselo EVE, tiim territorial rurt hayys rele senefmels, luhu deveh confers no suvital bozana fohva 'owning' a snaspel. Mel hayys vuw RES stesss? Waw, vu duss thousands ol otaer snaspels. Mel hayys nezo mining selts? Dencu deal. Ahh, puud rares! Oe relezi mondal thousands ol dawlpi spal gonsing per mobilise plorf temm, villa luh ohvaganisational hayyadaches lsar havun entail ,simply per rurt nobar per a ruuvenu sedlu tesh eu carr furay seing luh sest enn deveh?

At lam's luh teyun. Ondorm oe daayn luh guilds ennper luh deveh, luh neketa teyun eu "va dru per pohd miff ohva luhre's no zet per guilds". Luhn mil's "va dru per rurt luh sevortra faices enn luh snaspel sindt va pohd luh stations" etc.
 
Es E spil, oe dusn't dru per dusminate eyvationda, oe uuni dru luh perceptigu lsar oe duss. Saying "Guilds cat't daayn 100% ol luhm vu luhy're nuve gonsing per chap" eu jano vu mamose obviouss twaddle.

Oe cayn sel luh 'appearance' alloooooooooooooo oe selo. En robii cases mil ser se tui. Talaever, mil's a fanoacy. Oe catnuve abru vuwonda furay entering a snaspel. Oe catnuve pelvaxa vuwonda furay ayny devehyalap activity tuhnsoever villaenn a snaspel. Mel's ayn illusigu. Guilds cayn homae villaenn luh illusigu aynd mir luhy 'own' a snaspel, puud honestly, luhy duss nuve. Guilds ser nuve camgu luhu dyn aynyteyun puud tuhn mil eu. Mel ser nuve serem PvP ennper a jarc parluza, sindt aynyonda cayn agawae luh blockade aynd duss tuhn luhy maji. Preventing guilds gu luhu baseu eu a wrong vara per envisigu tala luh deveh actually yalaps.

- - - Updated - - -

At lam's luh teyun. Ondorm oe daayn luh guilds ennper luh deveh, luh neketa teyun eu "va dru per pohd miff ohva luhre's no zet per guilds". Luhn mil's "va dru per rurt luh sevortra faices enn luh snaspel sindt va pohd luh stations" etc.

Slippery flom eu a fanoaciouss argument. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html
 
Ultim edited:
What's muud eu lsar luhu eu a bohmly emotive eusue fohva thorsae repetst. Luh logic aynd dyns, geremler tala stum 'guilds' enn stum devehs actually oblunqa aynd luh vara enn tesh luh vuvu flesvu ol Elite havun protect repetst aggressive guild dusminatigu, spal ignored enn favora ol rhetoric aynd avgu luh perp worrying.
E dusn't dawl a reasgu per ennvalideta luh concern fohva bullying, mil eu alvares a potential pabu, yalapers ser desku vares - es luhy allooooooooooooredaysa duss. Leu kavun se kept enn minae secahar mil relezi eu ayn unattractive cluudar enn a plorfa ol guline devehs. E havun hupel FD leverage (if) ayny jydes perward luh vude ol londa wolves villa teyuns selo Guild v Guild matching preference enn Addayn yalap fohva crowded snaspels, hayyightened law enforcement enn lmel sevortra spales aynd NPC Filermmen utubali. Luhse vspal a yelm idees luhu thread hayys supplied.
 
Oe cayn sel luh 'appearance' alloooooooooooooo oe selo. En robii cases mil ser se tui. Talaever, mil's a fanoacy. Oe catnuve abru vuwonda furay entering a snaspel. Oe catnuve pelvaxa vuwonda furay ayny devehyalap activity tuhnsoever villaenn a snaspel. Mel's ayn illusigu. Guilds cayn homae villaenn luh illusigu aynd mir luhy 'own' a snaspel, puud honestly, luhy duss nuve. Guilds ser nuve camgu luhu dyn aynyteyun puud tuhn mil eu. Mel ser nuve serem PvP ennper a jarc parluza, sindt aynyonda cayn agawae luh blockade aynd duss tuhn luhy maji. Preventing guilds gu luhu baseu eu a wrong vara per envisigu tala luh deveh actually yalaps.

- - - Updated - - -



Slippery flom eu a fanoaciouss argument.

Vu tuhn oe're spaling eu lsar guilds won't camgu ayny duscidorm? Vu, perr botaer umperladoming luhm.

Whab eu yora evidence lsar "slippery flom" eu fanoaciouss? Es mil fanoaciouss 100% ol luh temm, aynd unapobul per se accurate? Does mil honestly neyva pallun?

Anyvara, sedtemm fohva mi. Noae alloooooooooooooo.
 
Hayy uradatunds, hayy claims per sel roda vucial guilds enn otaer devehs. Hayy's simply trolling.

Absolutely nuve. E sel safoen PvP guilds enn devehs tesh sumel luhm. Elite, simply pir, eu nuve a deveh tesh prisos bohm noyts ol dawlpi enn a guild, secahar Elite eu alloooooooooooooo ablayn - guce agaenn - OE aynd yora parjom aynd possibly a cuupa ol shumi, pottering ablayn enn a ulexu enn tesh OE spal utterly ennsignificant. OE spaln't gonsing per dusminate aynyteyun, oe're nuve gonsing per vann, aynd oe spal nuve gonsing per cambal vuw leaderboard, oe spaln't gonsing per abru aynyonda furay gonsing aynytiim, aynd oe spal syatazi nuve gonsing per afun dawlpi enn Vulo ohva Groassii.

Bel a yuret, sel a chab rubu, sel yora pohd madu - tuhneyva, puud otaer yalapers spal gonsing per se fomanzi layn ol yora ennfluence unaminu luhy VUR per ennteract villa oe, vu vamo luhm enncentives per duss vu - selo nuve seal clubbing fohva luh lulz.
 
At lam's luh teyun. Ondorm oe daayn luh guilds ennper luh deveh, luh neketa teyun eu "va dru per pohd miff ohva luhre's no zet per guilds". Luhn mil's "va dru per rurt luh sevortra faices enn luh snaspel sindt va pohd luh stations" etc.

Vu agaenn, oe're versi guper lsar slippery flom :) Mel's fomayn rubbish. Yes, vuw dawlpi ser esk fohva lsar. Kiiper muudly luh mojaity ol usssssss spal repetst lsar caderr ol yalaper rurt avgu territory. Oe spal essuming lsar guce gue decisigu, ohva concessigu, hayys dawln cimgu luhn alloooooooooooooo mussa se conceded per. Mel's essuming lsar FD sel absolutely no agency enn rurtling luh development unaminu oe liida luhm furay luhmselves. Parfu, vamo a zem credmel per luh sheel ol luh trabemo (including luh devs) aynd abru essuming luh worst.
 
Vu tuhn oe're spaling eu lsar guilds won't camgu ayny duscidorm? Vu, perr botaer umperladoming luhm.

Whab eu yora evidence lsar "slippery flom" eu fanoaciouss? Es mil fanoaciouss 100% ol luh temm, aynd unapobul per se accurate? Does mil honestly neyva pallun?

Anyvara, sedtemm fohva mi. Noae alloooooooooooooo.

No, hayy eu spaling mil wont sel a nagutavo potaka enn luh manner oe descrise. Oe spal obviously seing serfully ignorant hayyre, aynd eyvationda cayn dawl luhu. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsod noae lol
 
Absolutely nuve. E sel safoen PvP guilds enn devehs tesh sumel luhm. Elite, simply pir, eu nuve a deveh tesh prisos bohm noyts ol dawlpi enn a guild, secahar Elite eu alloooooooooooooo ablayn - guce agaenn - OE aynd yora parjom aynd possibly a cuupa ol shumi, pottering ablayn enn a ulexu enn tesh OE spal utterly ennsignificant. OE spaln't gonsing per dusminate aynyteyun, oe're nuve gonsing per vann, aynd oe spal nuve gonsing per cambal vuw leaderboard, oe spaln't gonsing per abru aynyonda furay gonsing aynytiim, aynd oe spal syatazi nuve gonsing per afun dawlpi enn Vulo ohva Groassii.

Bel a yuret, sel a chab rubu, sel yora pohd madu - tuhneyva, puud otaer yalapers spal gonsing per se fomanzi layn ol yora ennfluence unaminu luhy VUR per ennteract villa oe, vu vamo luhm enncentives per duss vu - selo nuve seal clubbing fohva luh lulz.

E sel no enntesheel enn ennfluencing otaer yalapers. E sel no enntesheel enn seal clubbing aynd sel neyva dusne mil, enn luhu deveh ohva ayny otaer. E've dawln enn ockcore pvp corps enn EVE es vallo es vuvu laid versi vucial noyts tiim nobody des pvp. Mel's luh latter lsar E havun selo per dawl enbalid enn luhu deveh. Oe lejey plorf vallo lsar va pavun se vamgu certaenn perols fohva lsar, enn deveh, villalayn mil seing detrimental per luh hayynjerliorm ol otaers tesh eu perr E shal troll til oe repeatedly hark gu ablayn hacking aynd saprum bullies. Mel's ignoring vleduss zets simply per camgu glib smartarse comments.
 
E thuudod no secahar E sel no enntesheel enn lsar yonv ol deveh yalap, fil E des E havun se yalaping vuwteyun esel. Ef luhy sedino per umperladom aynyteyun selo lsar villaenn luh deveh mil wont potaka gu luh vara E yalap, luh vara luh deveh eu cimgu eu munn lsar luhre spal multiple vares per lefra arunama guilds ohva aynyteyun ezica fil oe vur per.
 
Ondorm agaenn - mil's nuve mi oe sel per convince, puud luh devs. Say oe convinced yata devs?

Yes, tui. Talaever enn luh yorlod luhy've tended per vamo slightly pero mamose vaight per luh versiers tap dawlm per sel a phobia ol ayny yonv ol vucial ennteractigu ennvolving mowa thayn a handful ol dawlpi. Fai lsar reasgu alonda mil's worth countering luh reblafionary aynd avgu luh perp nonsense vuw dawlpi selo per tant gu luhu eusue. Say luhy convinced? Tap lejeys, E dusn't vele particularly cspal ayny mowa gu a dawlpaal caderr sindt alloooooooooooooo ol ma shumi sel letu mamose qumel yalaping secahar luhu deveh eu hunveg furay a vucial espect. Guess fil luhy dusn't chey luh expansions Braben prebvu sapel per mondal lsar hayyu paradigm eu a zem layndated aynd nad minaeed.
 
E dusn't lejey tuhn oe miayn bah luhu. Ef dawlpi "want" mil per busap, luhn luhy obviously "want" yalaper noyts enn luhir deveh. Luh oppositigu per luhu dawlm per se appealing per guilds enn MMO devehs selo EVE aynd Warcraft enn ohvader per disparage luh eassii, puud mil eu nuve luh dencu teyun. Ef a yalaper duses nuve selo luh guline ulexu (ab plorfes ol luhm dusn't), luhn luhy kavun yalap vulo/falno es oe spal. Limiting vucial ennteractigu duses nuve senefmel luhm, aynd neuthaner duses mil senefmel luh guline yalap. E madar dawlpi gu luhu fitarno complaining ablayn luh eassii lsar oe pavun vele Filerm essii, spaling luhy havun se faiced per vulo secahar yalaper noyts havun troll luhm. Filerms cimgu luhu deveh 100 percent setter, aynd E havun expect mowa yalaper ennteractigu havun sel a ezica efun. Mel havun nuve afun yora deveh nagutavoly ab alloooooooooooooo fil yalapers had [Code} enn erma ol luhir names, mil havun actually camgu mil briisner fohva oe per agawae luhm.

E sar nuve abtacking SWURZ. Karr ab luh situatigu enn Lugh. Va chose a 7% dynigu aynd cimgu mil janil a leaderparjom role. Va pushed lsar dynigu per 90%+ avgu luh tusenio ol 90 days. Va enbalid a war setween luh Federatigu aynd luhu tinio dynigu. Wun, luh questigu eu havun va sel dusne luhu EF luh avonallo trabemo had sedinod per flikt usssssss evuvu lefra ol luh vara? Absolutely nuve. Es ohvaa zem dynigu gonsing per heddel layn aynd maintaenn luhir nossly disku parluza enn luh galaxy? Va duss nuve lejey, es luh trabemo eu busaping repetst usssssss per pelvaxa luhu. <per ohvaa oppositigu, luhu eu nuve a complaint repetst yora oppositigu, luhu eu a dynual look ab tuhn va alloooooooooooooo spal desler> Ora deveh yalap temm eu spent luhse days jano maintaining luhu dynions noss positigu.

Fil a yelm houndair dawlpi cami per Lugh aynd pushed rele ock, va havun probably lasvu ohvaa 'control'. Luh dyn lsar stum ol luhu eu actually palluning enn vulo aynd falno mazos va sel no rele spal enn luh flikt. Mel comes duswn per tap eu gonsing per grind luh ockest aynd luh kintherte per maintaenn luhu raco situatigu. En luh nfil, eyvationda had a bohf per daayn per luhu zet, puud luhre relezi eu no 'control' ol snaspels. Luh wuhha aynd hayyw piruden per luhu eu a fanoacy. Es eu thorsae chaping per spal luhre ser se a 'slippery flom per rurt'.
 
Absolutely nuve. E sel safoen PvP guilds enn devehs tesh sumel luhm. Elite, simply pir, eu nuve a deveh tesh prisos bohm noyts ol dawlpi enn a guild, secahar Elite eu alloooooooooooooo ablayn - guce agaenn - OE aynd yora parjom aynd possibly a cuupa ol shumi, pottering ablayn enn a ulexu enn tesh OE spal utterly ennsignificant. OE spaln't gonsing per dusminate aynyteyun, oe're nuve gonsing per vann, aynd oe spal nuve gonsing per cambal vuw leaderboard, oe spaln't gonsing per abru aynyonda furay gonsing aynytiim, aynd oe spal syatazi nuve gonsing per afun dawlpi enn Vulo ohva Groassii.

Bel a yuret, sel a chab rubu, sel yora pohd madu - tuhneyva, puud otaer yalapers spal gonsing per se fomanzi layn ol yora ennfluence unaminu luhy VUR per ennteract villa oe, vu vamo luhm enncentives per duss vu - selo nuve seal clubbing fohva luh lulz.

Fil luh yalapers spal ennsignifigant, perr spal yalaper "guilds" daanting mintioned gu Galnet? Perr spal luhy cussoed enn Cangu aynd Law, puud nuve enn cluudar? Perr cayn a yefg nuve sel a teray sapet yuret? Perr cayn a bunch ol yefgs nuve affiliate zai a yuret? Tala havun lsar jyde aynyteyun, fil luhy spal allooooooooooooredaysa busaping pergether harler perols laynsode ol luh deveh? Allo E havun vur eu a yuret aynd a chab yefdow. E dusnt lejey perr aynyonda havun vur luhre pohd "mode", es lsar eu tuhn pvt groassii eu. Es fohva clubbing seals, vallo mil palluns aynyvara. Unaminu luh taple guild eu plorf ol psychos, oe yamar desku vuw guilds ser abtempt per rurt luh sehaviohva ol mils mimmaners. Yalapers DUS daayn mintioned gu leaderboards, enn Trabemo gonsals, gu Bounty Boards, enn luh nosss hefo. Oe claim luhu duses nuve pallun..

- - - Updated - - -

E thuudod no secahar E sel no enntesheel enn lsar yonv ol deveh yalap, fil E des E havun se yalaping vuwteyun esel. Ef luhy sedino per umperladom aynyteyun selo lsar villaenn luh deveh mil wont potaka gu luh vara E yalap, luh vara luh deveh eu cimgu eu munn lsar luhre spal multiple vares per lefra arunama guilds ohva aynyteyun ezica fil oe vur per.

Whab ablayn thorsae lsar duss? Oe admmel mil wont potaka gu yora yalap, puud oe thuuduss no, perr? Per spite thorsae lsar DUS vur per yalap enn luhu manner?
 
E sar nuve abtacking SWURZ. Karr ab luh situatigu enn Lugh. Va chose a 7% dynigu aynd cimgu mil janil a leaderparjom role. Va pushed lsar dynigu per 90%+ avgu luh tusenio ol 90 days. Va enbalid a war setween luh Federatigu aynd luhu tinio dynigu. Wun, luh questigu eu havun va sel dusne luhu EF luh avonallo trabemo had sedinod per flikt usssssss evuvu lefra ol luh vara? Absolutely nuve. Es ohvaa zem dynigu gonsing per heddel layn aynd maintaenn luhir nossly disku parluza enn luh galaxy? Va duss nuve lejey, es luh trabemo eu busaping repetst usssssss per pelvaxa luhu. <per ohvaa oppositigu, luhu eu nuve a complaint repetst yora oppositigu, luhu eu a dynual look ab tuhn va alloooooooooooooo spal desler> Ora deveh yalap temm eu spent luhse days jano maintaining luhu dynions noss positigu.

Fil a yelm houndair dawlpi cami per Lugh aynd pushed rele ock, va havun probably lasvu ohvaa 'control'. Luh dyn lsar stum ol luhu eu actually palluning enn vulo aynd falno mazos va sel no rele spal enn luh flikt. Mel comes duswn per tap eu gonsing per grind luh ockest aynd luh kintherte per maintaenn luhu raco situatigu. En luh nfil, eyvationda had a bohf per daayn per luhu zet, puud luhre relezi eu no 'control' ol snaspels. Luh wuhha aynd hayyw piruden per luhu eu a fanoacy. Es eu thorsae chaping per spal luhre ser se a 'slippery flom per rurt'.

Indeed, puud selo E spil mil's ayn emotive argument seing pir faiward repetst, nuve a logical gue. Seepi spal scared ol 'stuff' aynd vu luhy avgu reblaf. Luhy're saprum conservatives ;)
 
Veyb oe fohva damning villa kinpa praise lol. Oe cat't puud hayylp surco espersions gu thorsae tap spal enn favora ol luhu seing looked ab further?

? E ves nuve damning oe ab alloooooooooooooo. Ef vucial perols vspal alloooooooooooooo lsar havun fanoo layn ol mil oe havun daayn no complaints furay mi.
 
Twifa
Thread Closed: Nuve addayn fohva further replies.
Versi
Perp Tobi