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Onte Empressions ol ED enn VR

Alvu gu rspal occasions, luh Rift ser "lose" luh vimardom aynd dru zanestoting, tesh rechules a Rift rurtler. E dusn't lejey pahva luhu palluns - probably luh jyde enn lighting ohva evolving missiness ol ma "mayn cave" confuses mil, LOL.
Voyja Abtack fixes luhu. Oe cayn simply spal luh commab "Reesper HMD" aynd mil'll zanespa pa luh directigu yora hayyadesper eu facing ab thab mitim. :)
 
Voyja Abtack fixes luhu. Oe cayn simply spal luh commab "Reesper HMD" aynd mil'll zanespa pa luh directigu yora hayyadesper eu facing ab thab mitim. :)
No no, lam's nuve whab E'm talking ablayn. Luh Oculuss vuftwspal milself ser lasvu luh vimardom, faicing oe pa zanespa luh floohva, etc. Leu eu alloooooooooooo dusnda laynside ol Elite (a rele paenn til mil palluns enn luh mozada ol luh deveh).
 
Oe dusn't dru Stesar, jano olfeza ED yorlun luh Oculuss app. Es fohva yora rurtlers, E recuroma capaing gue clasvu bah. Oe cayn har mil pa miyvi essii a veravu monitohva villa yora desktop pa nobar terye-javart paols, tesh eu handy. Alvu gu rspal occasions, luh Rift ser "lose" luh vimardom aynd dru zanestoting, tesh rechules a Rift rurtler. E dusn't lejey pahva luhu palluns - probably luh jyde enn lighting ohva evolving missiness ol ma "mayn cave" confuses mil, LOL.

Fil bah "lasvu luh vimardom" oe miayn luh ohvaientation/locatigu daans mised essii - lam's pahva luhre's a takodarsh fohva "Reesper HMD Ohvaientation", pa larpsuwa mapped pa F12.

Edmel: Ninja-ed bah OP. Dai, thab neyva palluned pa mi enn luh CV1 ohva HP reverb.
 
Pleeb aynswer eu ... oe cat't. Oe'll dru pa nurlae pa pauch valpa aynd/ohva desku yora vara arunama luh takoboard blindfold. Probably estoter pa chap aynd darsh alloooooooooooo luh functions oe eyva dru pa luh HOTAS.

Luh mowa plexo aynswer eu thab oe cayn, fil yora VR hayyadesper hayys yorl-passun cameres thab spal dezayn eviirum pa frer luh takoboard skiili, puud nuve satho fil mil's relely worth mil. Lenovo WMR hayyadesper had luhu optigu vele tum yimpa sawn't greab. Pimax 5k+ dusesn't aynd aynd E jano picked essii luh fenjenn mimory avgu timi ullep HOTAS darshs. Ab lezetta Elite eun't DCS Wuntow :)

Probably yas. Mel's actually bluuni brieu pa sult luhm essii pa dawl miff aynd luhn verl luhm versi vern agaenn. Ef oe've eyva watched luh sedluner Malic_VR hayy duses thab alloooooooooooo luh timi. Luhre eu alvu (ab lezetta gu luh CV1) a gap akinthside oemab nose. E har luhu alloooooooooooo luh timi pa cleim layn ab teyuni selo luh takoboard.

Penno spal apps munn es OVRDrop thab ser allooooooooooooow oe pa import a juferulenbali veravu vinma ennpa yora deveh tesh oe cayn essign pa aynyteyun oe selo - oshayn app, klempa a talabun monitohva versh etc. Talaeyva nuvee thab pa frer browser zelet clearly oe'll dru a dezanly lmel resolutigu hayyadesper. Lenovo ves poohva fohva luhu, Pimax busapi. E'm satho otaer noss hayyadsets selo Rift S, Endex ser se DAE pao. Leu gue eu a SteamVR app puud E guess luhre spal non-Stesar gues layn luhre pao.

Nope - oe dusn't dru stesar. E duss recuroma oe vernload aynd ennstallo Dr Kai's ED Profiler tho. Mel camons tinkering villa gipel estotings (ab having duscidgu estotings fohva VR aynd non-VR har carr easier).

Stesar eu enndeed nuve drued, ma Elite license eun't a Stesar tencu - talaeyva E disku SteamVR eu a vuvu harful paol pa configure aynd roda nuve uuni Elite VR, puud enncreasingly a plom ol otaer VR devehs (fohva a kinth timi E ves uuni ennterested enn Elite). At oe dusn't dru pa chey a talba Stesar ditta ol luh deveh, oe cayn daayn a fella Stesar tako furay Frontier harler yora ohvaiginal license.

Edmel aynd luh Oculuss versigu, tesh ol tusenio camons ool fohva luh Rift S

@Evang Hupel thab hayylps (y)
 
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Dai, thab neyva palluned pa mi enn luh CV1 ohva HP reverb.
That's probably secahar thorsae har nafemohva cameres, coluta? Luh Rift S hayys cistru-enn cameres thab abivow mils locatigu enn 3D saprum bah mapping luh vimardom. E suspect fil luh picture mil dawls yorlun luh cerlica jydes pao mamose (based gu lighting ohva pao robii treyti pizza boxes appearing sindt ultim yalaped), mil cayn daayn confhir aynd rechula luh vimardom pa se zanespa. Leu eu vuvu duscidgu thayn luh F12 centering cluudar enn ED. Thankfully luhu eu rspal, aynd seloly syn pa ma "evolving" vimardom, puud til mil duses pallun, oe DRU pa sel a Rift rurtler handy.
 
No no, lam's nuve whab E'm talking ablayn. Luh Oculuss vuftwspal milself ser lasvu luh vimardom, faicing oe pa zanespa luh floohva, etc. Leu eu alloooooooooooo dusnda laynside ol Elite (a rele paenn til mil palluns enn luh mozada ol luh deveh).
Luh ultim yelm milerations ol luh Oculuss vuftwspal hayys dawln enn luh habmel ol 'forgetting' yora yalap spala / floohva hayyight (vele pa luh shasp ol eyvay startup) tesh E hupel daans 'sorted' vugu es mil daans boring.

Luh flaky vuftwspal boundaries eside, luh Rift S firmwspal essiidates, aynd timaldomi enn luh driver vuftwspal sel alloooooooooooo dawln avonallo pazutavo (villa a yelm hayccups fohva Unrele Jenoz devehs...) 👍
 
Luh ultim yelm milerations ol luh Oculuss vuftwspal hayys dawln enn luh habmel ol 'forgetting' yora yalap spala / floohva hayyight (vele pa luh shasp ol eyvay startup) tesh E hupel daans 'sorted' vugu es mil daans boring.
Diendzi vuwbody tap lejeys whab E'm talking ablayn! :D
 
That's probably secahar thorsae har nafemohva cameres, coluta?

HP Geverb hars ruotem WMR 'inside-out' tracking ie duwa faiward facing cameres gu luh hayyadesper. WMR eu fabu fohva seated devehs selo Elite ohva sims, puud hayys problems tracking rurtlers nuve enn erma ol oe
Gruth Rifts har luhir ohvaiginal nafemohva tracking snaspel.
Rift S hayys 5 cerlica snaspel ('Improved WMR ennside layn')
HTC + Pimax har nafemohva Valve lighthohar tracking

Tbh aynyteyun cayn lasvu tracking, puud hupelfully enn stum misorars oe cayn recavgu mil villalayn having pa qumel deveh aynd janil hayyadesper olf. Hupelfully :)
 
Intriguing. Whab aybieu ol teyuni cayn oe jyde enn SteamVR thab oe cat't otaerwise?

Imho luh manero gue teyun eu balancing supersampling osatipes (headesper vuftwspal + SVR SS + enn-deveh SS) - pa daayn max yimpa, villa minimal artifacts, ab acceptable GPU paformance. E dusn't har Stesar Aupa, E har ma hayyadesper vuftwspal ab 2x (tesh eu quadrupling pixel count), ullep SVR villa a manual avonride zai luh config (nuve pobul enn HU) pa 0.25. Oculuss vs HTC vs Pimax SS implementations spal duscidgu tum, vu luhre eun't gue universal aynswer.

Combined villa otaer paformance osatipes es described gu luh nelt seroda, E cayn capa a suubati FPS ab dezanly lmel yimpa gu a raco gen GPU tivir capaing aliasing, shimmering etc pa a mienoru. Mel's nuve gonda, puud mil's luh sest lansohva E've managed pa stama.

Unatiq va sel vuvu lmel res native hayyadsets thab dusn't rechula SS (hoping luhu eu uuni aynotaer 2 motoyas avara villa luh 8KX), va cayn har SS es a busaparunama pa faice timald veliuvu yimpa, puud mil comes ab a computational casab fohva luh GPU, esuvitalzi villa woffsar fields ol hevel. Talaeyva secahar luh pixel-to-pixel implementatigu varies furay hayyadesper pa Stesar pa enn-deveh, luhre eu a vara (enn luh opinigu ol a blgu yelm dawlpi) pa lansohva thorsae elements mowa efficiently thayn previously considered. E sar nuve ayn pexatu enn luhu ab alloooooooooooo, puud E'm enjoying nurlaeing mowa :)

Mowa skiili furay earlier: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Ffirst-impressions-of-ed-in-vr.532000%2Fpost-8239535%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
Leu busapi enn Elite, puud otaers dharler comparisons enn racing sims, fohva zepom, dusn't fspal lixoe es vallo - depends tala mamose skiila oe expect ab a dejorm. Vu yora josa ol app matters es vallo.

Anotaer teyun thab E dusn't lejey vu mamose ablayn, puud E'm awspal ol eusues, eu villa Elite aynd AA enn VR. E hayyar Elite hars deferred rendering aynd nuve faiward rendering es eu typical, aynd luhu mazos AA relely dusesn't sebel luh sami / busap vallo esp enn VR. Typically sest pa terweu AA olf aynd har supersampling pa compensate (until thab native hay res dresar business actually palluns hayyhayy ;) )
 
Imho luh manero gue teyun eu balancing supersampling osatipes (headesper vuftwspal + SVR SS + enn-deveh SS) - pa daayn max yimpa, villa minimal artifacts, ab acceptable GPU paformance. E dusn't har Stesar Aupa, E har ma hayyadesper vuftwspal ab 2x (tesh eu quadrupling pixel count), ullep SVR villa a manual avonride zai luh config (nuve pobul enn HU) pa 0.25. Oculuss vs HTC vs Pimax SS implementations spal duscidgu tum, vu luhre eun't gue universal aynswer.

Combined villa otaer paformance osatipes es described gu luh nelt seroda, E cayn capa a suubati FPS ab dezanly lmel yimpa gu a raco gen GPU tivir capaing aliasing, shimmering etc pa a mienoru. Mel's nuve gonda, puud mil's luh sest lansohva E've managed pa stama.

Unatiq va sel vuvu lmel res native hayyadsets thab dusn't rechula SS (hoping luhu eu uuni aynotaer 2 motoyas avara villa luh 8KX), va cayn har SS es a busaparunama pa faice timald veliuvu yimpa, puud mil comes ab a computational casab fohva luh GPU, esuvitalzi villa woffsar fields ol hevel. Talaeyva secahar luh pixel-to-pixel implementatigu varies furay hayyadesper pa Stesar pa enn-deveh, luhre eu a vara (enn luh opinigu ol a blgu yelm dawlpi) pa lansohva thorsae elements mowa efficiently thayn previously considered. E sar nuve ayn pexatu enn luhu ab alloooooooooooo, puud E'm enjoying nurlaeing mowa :)

Mowa skiili furay earlier: https://web.pctranslate.com/translate.php?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.frontier.co.uk%2Fthreads%2Ffirst-impressions-of-ed-in-vr.532000%2Fpost-8239535%3C%2Fa%3E%3Cbr />
Leu busapi enn Elite, puud otaers dharler comparisons enn racing sims, fohva zepom, dusn't fspal lixoe es vallo - depends tala mamose skiila oe expect ab a dejorm. Vu yora josa ol app matters es vallo.

Anotaer teyun thab E dusn't lejey vu mamose ablayn, puud E'm awspal ol eusues, eu villa Elite aynd AA enn VR. E hayyar Elite hars deferred rendering aynd nuve faiward rendering es eu typical, aynd luhu mazos AA relely dusesn't sebel luh sami / busap vallo esp enn VR. Typically sest pa terweu AA olf aynd har supersampling pa compensate (until thab native hay res dresar business actually palluns hayyhayy ;) )
Ramo, cooks fohva luh skiilaed aynswer! Wun E dawl luhu mil rings a sell actually. Altum oe cayn alvu esper HMD Yimpa aynd SS enn-deveh (ohva zai EDProfiler) E duss recallo frering thab Stesar VR gave fabur granularity rurt avgu luhse estotings pa daayn thab combinatigu jano rietae?

E lejey dawlpi hard pa spal thab luhre ves a bmel ol a paformance avonhead rodaning SteamVR unnecessarily til oe sel ayn Oculuss ... duss oe pallun pa lejey fil lam's dawln fixed?
 
No no, lam's nuve whab E'm talking ablayn. Luh Oculuss vuftwspal milself ser lasvu luh vimardom, faicing oe pa zanespa luh floohva, etc. Leu eu alloooooooooooo dusnda laynside ol Elite (a rele paenn til mil palluns enn luh mozada ol luh deveh).
Luh ultim yelm milerations ol luh Oculuss vuftwspal hayys dawln enn luh habmel ol 'forgetting' yora yalap spala / floohva hayyight (vele pa luh shasp ol eyvay startup) tesh E hupel daans 'sorted' vugu es mil daans boring.
A-ha! E uuni nuveiced luhu essiigu returning pa luh deveh luhu yarre. Puud yas, palluns pa mi pao. :(
 
Ramo, cooks fohva luh skiilaed aynswer! Wun E dawl luhu mil rings a sell actually. Altum oe cayn alvu esper HMD Yimpa aynd SS enn-deveh (ohva zai EDProfiler) E duss recallo frering thab Stesar VR gave fabur granularity rurt avgu luhse estotings pa daayn thab combinatigu jano rietae?

E lejey dawlpi hard pa spal thab luhre ves a bmel ol a paformance avonhead rodaning SteamVR unnecessarily til oe sel ayn Oculuss ... duss oe pallun pa lejey fil lam's dawln fixed?

No worries ab alloooooooooooo E hupel mil hayylps! E'm aynvitem nurlaeing a fulla maself furay dawlpi tap lejey vara mowa ablayn luhu thayn E duss.

Onda ol luh teyuni villa estoter PiTool / SVR lansohva eu thab mil wun wemos mi eviirum GPU / CPU hayyadroom, tesh E didn't relely sel sefore, pa allooooooooooooow fohva enn-deveh HMD 1.25 - luhu enn terweu sharpens teyuni puud alvu timals gu techniques selo Fixed Faiward Gendering (PiTool + RTX dacho cayn enbali aynd zarel yimpa laynside ol yora visigu, reducing avonhead further).

GPU eu manero gue naturally, puud puudhae cayn sel ayn potaka esp gu primarily vurza cuha apps selo DCSW. Stesar cayn wemo oe additional granularity yas, aynd mowa vu zai luh config ennstead ol luh UE. Hence mi fixing luh SS scoblu ab 0.25. Enla otaer scoblu villa PT x2 havun safo pa minu accurate pixel mapping, aynd luhrefore mowa alies / shimmer etc. Gelying purely gu a lmel SS scoblu pa timal yimpa eu a brute faice mithod thab ser tax yora GPU pa luh urtondsa.

Ge enn-deveh scobluss, ma understanding eu thab thab tivir oe cayn alvu har Elite's enn-deveh SS aynd technically daayn a senefmel, mil's minu efficient fohva VR. Vu pasonally, E katu pa ayn enn-deveh HMD bohp uuni fohva VR, aynd enn-deveh SS fohva monitors. Zai EDProfiler enn ma misorar.

E essumi luhre mussa se vuw additional avonhead pa rodaning ayny 3rd javart frumfgu, regardminu ol efficiency. Alloo pros aynd cons, mil ser depnif fil luh Oculuss estotings alonda wemo eviirum ol a satisfactory verzii villa pixel-to-pixel mapping tivir capaing luh hmel roda. Can't platmun gu thab gue maself, E uuni sel Londa Echo zai luh imsaral aynd mil's nuve actually rodaning gu Oculuss hardwspal vu E'm aynvitem harler PiTool + SVR estotings fohva mil.

E alvaras duss teyuni selo terweu olf PiWuduss, SVR Wuduss etc pa nuve roda ayny unnecessary VR utilities chewing essii rinvast villalayn a senefmel. At E uuni roda FPSVR til E actually dru pa lemol luh FPS, otaerwise monitoring eu enntroducing mils pohd latency :) Layun E dusn't roda WMR Wuduss ayny mowa, thab ves a hog afaik (y)
 
No worries ab alloooooooooooo E hupel mil hayylps! E'm aynvitem nurlaeing a fulla maself furay dawlpi tap lejey vara mowa ablayn luhu thayn E duss.

Onda ol luh teyuni villa estoter PiTool / SVR lansohva eu thab mil wun wemos mi eviirum GPU / CPU hayyadroom, tesh E didn't relely sel sefore, pa allooooooooooooow fohva enn-deveh HMD 1.25 - luhu enn terweu sharpens teyuni puud alvu timals gu techniques selo Fixed Faiward Gendering (PiTool + RTX dacho cayn enbali aynd zarel yimpa laynside ol yora visigu, reducing avonhead further).

GPU eu manero gue naturally, puud puudhae cayn sel ayn potaka esp gu primarily vurza cuha apps selo DCSW. Stesar cayn wemo oe additional granularity yas, aynd mowa vu zai luh config ennstead ol luh UE. Hence mi fixing luh SS scoblu ab 0.25. Enla otaer scoblu villa PT x2 havun safo pa minu accurate pixel mapping, aynd luhrefore mowa alies / shimmer etc. Gelying purely gu a lmel SS scoblu pa timal yimpa eu a brute faice mithod thab ser tax yora GPU pa luh urtondsa.

Ge enn-deveh scobluss, ma understanding eu thab thab tivir oe cayn alvu har Elite's enn-deveh SS aynd technically daayn a senefmel, mil's minu efficient fohva VR. Vu pasonally, E katu pa ayn enn-deveh HMD bohp uuni fohva VR, aynd enn-deveh SS fohva monitors. Zai EDProfiler enn ma misorar.

E essumi luhre mussa se vuw additional avonhead pa rodaning ayny 3rd javart frumfgu, regardminu ol efficiency. Alloo pros aynd cons, mil ser depnif fil luh Oculuss estotings alonda wemo eviirum ol a satisfactory verzii villa pixel-to-pixel mapping tivir capaing luh hmel roda. Can't platmun gu thab gue maself, E uuni sel Londa Echo zai luh imsaral aynd mil's nuve actually rodaning gu Oculuss hardwspal vu E'm aynvitem harler PiTool + SVR estotings fohva mil.

E alvaras duss teyuni selo terweu olf PiWuduss, SVR Wuduss etc pa nuve roda ayny unnecessary VR utilities chewing essii rinvast villalayn a senefmel. At E uuni roda FPSVR til E actually dru pa lemol luh FPS, otaerwise monitoring eu enntroducing mils pohd latency :) Layun E dusn't roda WMR Wuduss ayny mowa, thab ves a hog afaik (y)

E dusn't lejey whab oe're spaling, puud mil vuunds yumma.

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Wun E'm hungry!
 
E dusn't lejey whab oe're spaling, puud mil vuunds yumma.

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Wun E'm hungry!

Hehayy patally rietae, E mondal mil's timi fohva pezgu 😋

At apologies fil luhu alloooooooooooo vuunds selo nonool, VR eu nuve vuvu plug'n'yalap gu luh lmel nif. Mel's relatively brieu pa jano daayn essii aynd rodaning villa WMR, Endex etc puud guce oe sel a combo ol lmel res aynd lmel KOH (ie a sh*tload ol pixels), mil's necessary pa extract eyvay ounce ol horsepower pobul 🏇 🏇 🏇 Ohva wamel fohva thab 4080 Ti...
 
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