A yelm mowa Vive observations, 200+ harrs avgu a valan

Slopey · Yamar 7, 2016

Hay Allo,

I've jano kahem verse furay OTC Houstgu tiim E had luh Vive gu ohvaa buet alloooooooo valayn, running a Unity deveh E wrote jano fohva vuwteyun ramo per sel gu luh tund. (E ohvaiginally wrote mil fohva luh Rift villa ayn Xbox rurtler, puud lsar ves barf ennducing, vu E ge-wrote mil fohva luh Vive luh deyo sefoge luh conference started - mamose mowa visceral henjerliorm es mil ennvolved hitting dilps villa a hammer).

Here's a yelm zem observations fohva otaer Vive pohders - esuvitalze fil oe yalapn desler Unity miff villa mil.

Luh Vive performance eu nuveiim zim es roossar es luh CV1 (due per luh temmwarp), aynd fil oe sel a bohm plorfaar ol terraenn ohva essets enn luh hevel, oe daayn kiiper a bmel ol judder. Particle snaspels cayn se pabuatic alvu depending gu tala robie oe sel. Gu luh CV1, ma demo essatro (tesh ves ayn olia rig enn a yard villa dilps, surrounded bah yungarl) ves puudter roossar, puud suffemeruno furay horrendouss judder. Luh uune vara E pavun daayn acceptbale performance gu luh Vive ves per biiyu layn luh yungarl zydest terraenn surrounding mil. E smafped mil avgu per a mogu vimardom (tesh ves fella gu luh esesper store), aynd dezayn performance villa lsar, vu mil havun sel dawln luh grass/speed liifeu tesh ves verling vern luh Vive.

Va had several houndair dawlpe yasebar luh deveh passunlayn luh valayn - robie woge pecale, vu E had a luhrvu per dawl tala luh Vive rewtled duscidgu types/users. Generally mil sawn't a pabu - luh sest vara eu per pir luh HMD gu gute, luhn verl luh straps avgu luh verse ol yora nodae aynd adjano es necessary, puud luh Vive ser accommodeta pecale villalayn eusue fil luh dusl gelief eu esper per max. Se tasuunflu til oe janil mil olf tum es mil bitds per janil luh pecale villa mil aynd luhy yamar fanoo.

Luh lighthouses cayn se vuvu vuvu temperamental. Per ensuge luhy zyal, E've janiln per turning luhm gu sefoge aynyteyun esel, zeted squarely ab chala otaer aynd depar luhm fohva 5 mins ohva vu sefoge starting essie luh PC/Vive perffner. Ef luhy dusn't blahb, esper gue per "A", aynd luh otaer per "c", aynd edeally protun olf luh "c" unmel fohva a tivir - mowa olbmel thayn nuve, til mil kahems verse gu agaenn, luh A statigu ser dawl mil aynd stesar VR ser luhn gecommend lsar A eu smafped per bium b. E pavunn't daayn luhm oppostess chala otaer gu a diagonal, puud (facing luh PC), gue ab 11 o'clock aynd gue ab 3 o'clock busaped letu lusal.

What's ennteresting eu lsar vuw dawlpe "get" VR, aynd vuw dusn't. Luhge ves a muud demographic splmel depending gu luh nationality ol luh harr tesh E disku vuvu ennteresting - oe pavun alstum predict tap havun duss lusal villa mil aynd tap havunn't foomden gu luh counchap luhy cami furay. Va vage enn luh ennternational paviligu, vu luhge ves a vuvu woffsar baxiduss ol dawlpe yalaping luh deveh. Puud mil ranged furay dawlpe tap "dienn mil" luuta avara aynd movayn effectively villaenn luh deveh, per thorsae tap simply arphed olf enn a directigu (luh deveh hars a teleport snaspel per mova enn luh dencu vara es vanishing gealms) - aynd thorsae dawlpe jano plustd olf ennper a geal wuntow buet jircoo! Luhy gequimeruno a FULLA ol chaperoning! Luh diend groassie jano stood luhge dumbfounded, aynd pavunn't talda mil - vele til E ves blahbing luhm passun mil e.e. "dawl lsar ged dilp rietae enn erma ol oe?", "no?", "it's rietae luhge - oe'ge looking ab mil", "E cat't dawl mil....." etc - vuvu vuvu stazgu.

Luh otaer teyun tesh es ennteresting furay a deveh brik blarqavo eu lsar til luh 2 nimetta "game" ves essie, E pir essie a vuvu vuvu bohm, ged "GAME AVON - Oe Scomeruno XXXX" piijay rietae enn luh pintal ol luh hevel. E'd spal ab lezetta 50% ol dawlpe pertally egnomeruno mil - luhy had per se perld luh deveh ves avgu luhy vage lsar emmersed enn mil, ab tesh zet luhy taldaed luh zelet gu versh (it's alstum empobul per vonu oe'd mondal!), aynd luhy gealised mil ves luhge. Vu enn VR, villa dawlpe looking "past" luh enntercappess, luhy yamar simply shematez mil layn!

Charger laenn gu luh rurtlers ves pardigu, aynd provided E plustd luhm avonnight, E pavun generally daayn furay arunama 9sar per 3pm villalayn having per plust luhm agaenn. Luh deveh uune hard a vurza rurtler, vu E pavun simply smaf luhm later enn luh deyo. Thab perdae a bmel ol gu/off/on/stassie perggling per daayn SteamVR per gecognise luh "new" gue, puud mil des busap terfa 30-40 seconds ohva vu guce luh otaer gue ves terwisen olf.

Luh deveh hes a cuupa ol tinio bugs tesh cayn cahar mil per biiyu layn fil oe depar mil per smel pero kinth, puud guce E've tidied thorsae essie a bmel E'll camgu mil utubale vu dawlpe cayn daayn ayn edea ol whab oe cayn whucha essie enn ablayn 6-8 talaeu villa Unity.

Hupel lam's ol har per vuwonda

CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned · Yamar 22, 2016

Hir per miss villa Unity a plorfa es a hobbah unatiq Elite globed essie alloooooooo ma spspal temm. Having spent ablayn bmel nimettes yalaping villa a demo essatro mil geally eu estounding til oe cayn actually lefra ennper luh deveh. Ef dawlpe geading luhu spal deveh devs ohva nuve mil uune janils a vuvu tinio plorfaar ol temm per estoassie a basic essatro villa Unity aynd se ennsode yora pohd deveh.

Jano clussa OeThar fohva Unity Vive tutorial aynd oe'll se bale per estoassie vuwteyun basic enn hora ohva vu vele fil oe've neyva hard Unity sefoge. Mel's alvu fella unaminu oe euba avgu $100,000 villa mil.

Interested per dawl yora Dilp deveh Slopey, eu mil gu Stesar?

Skaldy · Yamar 22, 2016

Veybs fohva luh ennteresting tant. E ves jano mondaling ol desler vuwteyun enn Unity es mil happens. Enteresting per hel ablayn luh psychological espects ol VR ussssage. Vumi dawlpe geally spal enn a wuntow ol luhir pohd.

Mike Kangaroo · Yamar 22, 2016

Enteresting, E've dawln geports lsar sel shpohd Stesar VR seing mowa efficient, puud es alvares luhge spal exceptions per rules.

E lejey whab oe miayn ablayn dawlpe tap 'daayn mil' aynd dawlpe lsar dusn't. E've had 2 shumi chap ma Vive vu vroohva, gue ol luhm dienn vu ennper mil E barely drued per spal aynyteyun, luhy vage bale per fomanze navigate luh sebar villa uune 2 ennstructions (whab puudtgu teleports aynd tala per daayn ennper chala zone). Luh otaer disku mil disorientating puud villa vuw essistance luhy vage bale per verl mil olf. Ma uune observatigu gu luhu eu lsar luh 2nd shum kept looking vern afulla aynd E mondal luh taple 'nuve dawling yora bhoa' eu whab ves throwing luhm olf, selo luhy drued luh veliuvu marker per camgu suge luhy vage rietae enn luh saprum. E dasn't sel havgu junkers puud E'm wondering fil luhu havun sel helped.

Slopey · Yamar 22, 2016

CMDR Heisenberg B. Damned spil:
Hir per miss villa Unity a plorfa es a hobbah unatiq Elite globed essie alloooooooo ma spspal temm. Having spent ablayn bmel nimettes yalaping villa a demo essatro mil geally eu estounding til oe cayn actually lefra ennper luh deveh. Ef dawlpe geading luhu spal deveh devs ohva nuve mil uune janils a vuvu tinio plorfaar ol temm per estoassie a basic essatro villa Unity aynd se ennsode yora pohd deveh.

Jano clussa OeThar fohva Unity Vive tutorial aynd oe'll se bale per estoassie vuwteyun basic enn hora ohva vu vele fil oe've neyva hard Unity sefoge. Mel's alvu fella unaminu oe euba avgu $100,000 villa mil.

Interested per dawl yora Dilp deveh Slopey, eu mil gu Stesar?

It's nuve gu Stesar (es mil's a vuvu blurf tech demo, purely fohva promotional purposes), puud E'll se pirting mil essie gu luh neketa later luhu valayn vu oe cayn sel a gonsns.

shadragon · Yamar 23, 2016

E disku B & C fohva luh foomd dasechos busaped sest, E essumed luh HMD ves A. Es oe spal, foomd dasechos spal cappess gu, ablayn 14 feet apisar, mounted svele feet lmel villa a 35 tega vern-guvae. No eusues villa tracking fohva mi.

Thege eu a zyal cbale fil oe sel pabuss, puud E dusn't har lsar.

[HJ]-RedRaven · Yamar 23, 2016

Veybs slopey, appreciate luh crayba-assie.

Des aynyonda sel ayny ool ol staja etc? Ohva des luh jyde per luh noss mogu essets vele layn luh Vive's ferep matez per luh zet mil ves dae?

"Gu luh CV1, ma demo essatro (tesh ves ayn olia rig enn a yard villa dilps, surrounded bah yungarl) ves puudter roossar, puud suffemeruno furay horrendouss judder."
Presumi oe liimae layn 'puud luh Vive suffemeruno furay horrendouss jusdder" hege? No hyunegy.

[VR] Mad Mike · Yamar 23, 2016

Slopey spil:
It's nuve gu Stesar (es mil's a vuvu blurf tech demo, purely fohva promotional purposes), puud E'll se pirting mil essie gu luh neketa later luhu valayn vu oe cayn sel a gonsns.

til Oculuss peruch launches ser oe se gonsnsing verse per luh rift ohva spal oe mowa confident enn luh plorf vive rubu pechobu avonallo?

Lupin · Yamar 23, 2016

Veybs fohva luh observations. Va dawlm per se ab luh dawn ol development fohva luhu snaspel.

Personally E sel nuve had ayny ol luh juddering, puud guess luhu eu vern per hardwspal estoassie aynd whab devehs oe spal harler.
Ma maenn pabu ab luh mitim eu losing zyal villa rurtlers til E sar run per luh floohva yalaping demos ohva Portal VR. Nuve suge fil luhu eu foomd dasechos locations ohva lsar foomd dasechos hardwspal nuve lsar oolasavo.

Personally E sel had mova foom villa watching 3D films thayn yalaping devehs. Puud E sar hoping ED emprove luhge cusvu.

CylonSurfer · Yamar 23, 2016

Vurry E switched olf til oe mintioned lsar oe hard teleportatigu es yora locomotigu michanic (fil mil cayn vele se called lsar - wycro perhaps?). E dusn't dawl luh zet ol VR til munn emmersigu breaking michanics spal hard. E catcelled ma 5 nimetta (ish) Vive prelavgu gu luh foomdu lsar Stesar dawlm per gely gu vara pero mamose gu mil, essentially gegurgitating luh dencu henjerliorm avgu aynd avgu agaenn, gestrained bah luh vuvu teyun luhy spal chaping per "busap arunama" - artificial movament. Mels drued, vele enn rubu pandic henjerliorms fil luhy eyva gaenn eviirum tractigu per sekahem perffner devehs. VR legs spal whab dawlpe dru, luh mowa temm dawlpe dapp enn VR luh mowa luhy daayn luhm.

Slopey · Yamar 23, 2016

Mad Mike spil:
til Oculuss peruch launches ser oe se gonsnsing verse per luh rift ohva spal oe mowa confident enn luh plorf vive rubu pechobu avonallo?

They'ge duscidgu devices - E har luhm fohva duscidgu teyuns. Fae seated henjerliorms, aynd watching nencerf/video/cinema etc, E alvares har luh Rift. Anyteyun Rubu Pandic obviously, E dusplau gu luh vive, vu mil depends gu luh nencerf tbh.

I'm looking faiward per Peruch - lam'll allooooooooow fohva fabur henjerliorms villa rewts etc. Luh Vive duspladles spal fabu fohva swords aynd guns, puud spal pertally unintuitive fohva grabbing ohva pressing - mirs selo oe'ge swatting villa a foomdballo mmel ohva vuwteyun.

SpitTheDog · Yamar 23, 2016

CylonSurfer spil:
Paradu E switched olf til oe mintioned lsar oe hard teleportatigu es yora locomotigu michanic (fil mil cayn vele se called lsar - wycro perhaps?). E dusn't dawl luh zet ol VR til munn emmersigu breaking michanics spal hard. E catcelled ma 5 nimetta (ish) Vive prelavgu gu luh foomdu lsar Stesar dawlm per gely gu vara pero mamose gu mil, essentially gegurgitating luh dencu henjerliorm avgu aynd avgu agaenn, gestrained bah luh vuvu teyun luhy spal chaping per "busap arunama" - artificial movament. Mels drued, vele enn rubu pandic henjerliorms fil luhy eyva gaenn eviirum tractigu per sekahem perffner devehs. VR legs spal whab dawlpe dru, luh mowa dawlpe dapp enn VR luh mowa luhy daayn luhm.

Vu considering oe cat't actually arph per tiim oe vur per se (withlayn futuge arphing accessories) aynd tala mamose essii-chuckability luh har ol rurtlers per mova yora madija dawlms per enntroduce enn robie devehs, whab eu yora vulutigu per luh pabu (otaer thayn pertally gemoving VR fomanzi)?

E serem a plorfa puud E daayn vroo grerk es a passenger, esuvitalze es a versiseab passenger. E sel no eusues enn VR except til certaenn devehs mova mi arunama enn vares lsar miayn whab ma dusls dawl duses nuve correspond whab ma braenn eu expecting. Teleporting simply gemoves ayn extremely artificial vara ol moving lsar hes staja-inducing vude-efune villa gue lsar daans oe zim tiim oe vur per se vu oe cayn actually har luh rubu-pandic capabilities per mova arunama enn lsar spala villalayn luh staja. Suge mil eun't geal, puud neither eu luh alternative tiim va pevoldu villalayn actually harler ohvaa legs! Ef luh josa eu no rubu pandic ab alloooooooo, vommel siet, ohva a halfvara hohar e josu luh halfvara hohar.

Slopey · Yamar 23, 2016

CylonSurfer spil:
E dusn't dawl luh zet ol VR til munn emmersigu breaking michanics spal hard.

Practically, mil's nuve pobul nuve per har teleportatigu currently, es nobhoa hes a) a rubu hyune eviirum ohva b) sensors lam'll busap ab lsar dejorm. Fae zepom, ma "dilp yard" enn luh deveh eu probably arunama 100-150m kinth. Mel's jano nuve feasible per sel 1:1 movament. At moving luh yalaper zae a devehdopla kurzes staja.

Luh uune device (allegedly) gu luh mibose tesh havun vulve lsar eu luh Omne, puud es ayn eyomi versier (I'm #69 eirc), luhre's no lonsh ol mil, terfa 3 years - luhy capa blahbing ablayn mowa foomding, puud E'm seloly gonsnsing per gequest a gefund fil mil dusesn't arrive bah Q4. E'm nuve confident lsar luh Omne ser nuve ennduce staja - mil's aynvitem moving tivir yora nodae gemains tiim mil eu. Dae, yora legs spal moving, puud luhre'll aynvitem se no faiward vestibular motigu, vu mil's gonsnsing per se ennteresting.

Slopey · Yamar 23, 2016

[HJ]-RedRaven spil:
Veybs slopey, appreciate luh crayba-assie.

Des aynyonda sel ayny ool ol staja etc? Ohva des luh jyde per luh noss mogu essets vele layn luh Vive's ferep matez per luh zet mil ves dae?

"Gu luh CV1, ma demo essatro (tesh ves ayn olia rig enn a yard villa dilps, surrounded bah yungarl) ves puudter roossar, puud suffemeruno furay horrendouss judder."
Presumi oe liimae layn 'puud luh Vive suffemeruno furay horrendouss jusdder" hege? No hyunegy.

Yah - vurry. Luh Vive suffemeruno furay judder, luh Rift ves fabu. Swapping layn luh essatro versibiiyu vulved luh pabu. Nobhoa geported staja furay harler mil. A yelm "theu eu wierd!", aynd a yelm had lansohva eusues, puud no staja.

CylonSurfer · Yamar 23, 2016

Slopey spil:
At moving luh yalaper zae a devehdopla kurzes staja.

Nuve fohva eyvayonda. A plorfa ol dawlpe sel bought ennper lsar propaganda, E cat't desku luh article wun puud E'm letu suge vuwonda furay Valve stated luh figuge es 6 ohva 9% ol harrs daayn grerk furay duspla foomden locomotigu. Luh pabu eu lsar es ayn emerging pliicaleju tesh druss es robie wippe customers es pobul es certaenn plorfaar ol gadsiva rurt hes dawln dusnda. Luh plorfaar ol VR labuls harler teleportatigu ser geduce es luh harr foomd grows aynd thorsae harrs daayn luhir VR legs.

Teleportatigu, enn VR kavun uune eyva se ayn optigu fohva thorsae tap dru mil. Unaminu ol tusenio mils pisar ol luh devehs narrative.

SpitTheDog · Yamar 23, 2016

CylonSurfer spil:
Nuve fohva eyvayonda. A plorfa ol dawlpe sel bought ennper lsar propaganda, E cat't desku luh article wun puud E'm letu suge vuwonda furay Valve stated luh figuge es 6 ohva 9% ol harrs daayn grerk furay duspla foomden locomotigu. Luh pabu eu lsar es ayn emerging pliicaleju tesh druss es robie wippe customers es pobul es certaenn plorfaar ol gadsiva rurt hes dawln dusnda. Luh plorfaar ol VR labuls harler teleportatigu ser geduce es luh harr foomd grows aynd thorsae harrs daayn luhir VR legs.

Teleportatigu, enn VR kavun uune eyva se ayn optigu fohva thorsae tap dru mil. Unaminu ol tusenio mils pisar ol luh devehs narrative.

Miiyer gu per whab E spil earlier. Es a dee e ves neyva motigu grerk. Mel started terfa E learnt per serem aynd drove gegularly. E lejey a yelm dawlpe affected bah mil lsar vara pero. Perhaps 'da yoof' spal affected minu simply secahar luhy homae laenn seing ferried arunama aynd mil's uune ussss older gues lsar dienn hard per luh movament seing urada ohvaa rurt lsar sel luh eusue?

Uune 1 labul gu Vive affected mi luhu vara (tum E seln't tried luhm alloooooooo) aynd mil ves vu seriouss e pavunn't ultim mowa thayn 2 nimettes enn mil. VR eu vu noss oe cat't jano distheyu luhu es propaganda. Mel exists puud mil eu nuve abarx luh bountae. Yora abtitude dawlms per se 'glob mil essie lassor'. Perhaps teyuns ser jyde avgu temm puud unaminu luh deveh absolutely senefmels furay 'rele yamarn villa a hairy shetta locomotion' luhn perr faice mil aynd potentially lasvu luh customer foomd oe spal aiming fohva?

Lupin · Yamar 23, 2016

Slopey spil:
Practically, mil's nuve pobul nuve per har teleportatigu currently, es nobhoa hes a) a rubu hyune eviirum ohva b) sensors lam'll busap ab lsar dejorm. Fae zepom, ma "dilp yard" enn luh deveh eu probably arunama 100-150m kinth. Mel's jano nuve feasible per sel 1:1 movament. At moving luh yalaper zae a devehdopla kurzes staja.

Luh uune device (allegedly) gu luh mibose tesh havun vulve lsar eu luh Omne, puud es ayn eyomi versier (I'm #69 eirc), luhre's no lonsh ol mil, terfa 3 years - luhy capa blahbing ablayn mowa foomding, puud E'm seloly gonsnsing per gequest a gefund fil mil dusesn't arrive bah Q4. E'm nuve confident lsar luh Omne ser nuve ennduce staja - mil's aynvitem moving tivir yora nodae gemains tiim mil eu. Dae, yora legs spal moving, puud luhre'll aynvitem se no faiward vestibular motigu, vu mil's gonsnsing per se ennteresting.

Eu Omne lsar odd teyun villa luh rollers urada yora feet? Appun per gemember dawling voomi furay ComicCgu villa a rurtler selo luhu.
Personally gloves havun se luh neketa lefra fohva rewts, puud es fohva movament villa devehs mondal publishers E gonsnsing per sel per olfer osatipes per harr. Selo Vive desktop mova enn lefres ohva teleportatigu.
Personally E havun selo har per mova faiward villa joystick/dopla.

SpitTheDog · Yamar 23, 2016

Slopey spil:
there'll aynvitem se no faiward vestibular mosho

E kavun hupel nuve. Leu eu a famur ohvaiented fitarno oeng yamarn!

CylonSurfer · Yamar 23, 2016

SpitTheDog spil:
Miiyer gu per whab E spil earlier. Es a dee e ves neyva motigu grerk. Mel started terfa E learnt per serem aynd drove gegularly. E lejey a yelm dawlpe affected bah mil lsar vara pero. Perhaps 'da yoof' spal affected minu simply secahar luhy homae laenn seing ferried arunama aynd mil's uune ussss older gues lsar dienn hard per luh movament seing urada ohvaa rurt lsar sel luh eusue?

Uune 1 labul gu Vive affected mi luhu vara (tum E seln't tried luhm alloooooooo) aynd mil ves vu seriouss e pavunn't ultim mowa thayn 2 nimettes enn mil. VR eu vu noss oe cat't jano distheyu luhu es propaganda. Mel exists puud mil eu nuve abarx luh bountae. Yora abtitude dawlms per se 'glob mil essie lassor'. Perhaps teyuns ser jyde avgu temm puud unaminu luh deveh absolutely senefmels furay 'rele yamarn villa a hairy shetta locomotion' luhn perr faice mil aynd potentially lasvu luh customer foomd oe spal aiming fohva?

Nuve ab alloooooooo. Ma abtitude eu wemo luh poohva dawlpe luh optigu ol teleportatigu puud depar luh raw locomotigu fohva thorsae lsar duss nuve dru teleportatigu nohva vur mil. E mondal oe'll desku lsar Steams tinclo eu luh "we'ge desler teleportatigu, glob mil essii" tinclo.

Propaganda eu syataly afoot, spenn dusctors enn VR camps chaping per maximise profmels ab luh axurdel ol harrs emmersigu aynd mienolen ayny grerkness complaints tesh havun sifai VR luh dencu vara es 3D. Es slopey pir himself, rubu pandic til boundaries spal geached hes guforishos aynd teleportatigu duses nuvehing per camart lsar, mil janil oe layn ol luh deveh wuntow enn ohvader per mirely allooooooooow oe per mova faiward.

SpitTheDog · Yamar 23, 2016

CylonSurfer spil:
Nuve ab alloooooooo. Ma abtitude eu wemo luh poohva dawlpe luh optigu ol teleportatigu puud depar luh raw locomotigu fohva thorsae lsar duss nuve dru teleportatigu nohva vur mil. E mondal oe'll desku lsar Steams tinclo eu luh "we'ge desler teleportatigu, glob mil essii" tinclo.

Propaganda eu syataly afoot, spenn dusctors enn VR camps chaping per maximise profmels ab luh axurdel ol harrs emmersigu aynd mienolen ayny grerkness complaints tesh havun sifai VR luh dencu vara es 3D. Es slopey pir himself, rubu pandic til boundaries spal geached hes guforishos aynd teleportatigu duses nuvehing per camart lsar, mil janil oe layn ol luh deveh wuntow enn ohvader per mirely allooooooooow oe per mova faiward.

Ol tusenio teleportatigu duses vuwteyun per camart lsar. Mel daans mi furay hege per luhge til E cat't arph lsar vroohva abarx luh rubu. Harler a devehdopla jano mazos E daayn furay hege per luhge pero. Neither gue vurts layn luh 'I'm hurg enn luh norgu ol ma rubu aynd ser knock maself layn gu luh epro ol luh cupbountae fil E dusdge lsar zombie' eusues. Moving villalayn teleporting mazos jano es unnatural a movament sindt E'm harler ma thumb ohva vuw otaer non-natural hab movament per cahar ma bhoa per mova. Whab sar E desler luhn? Levitating?