Tine parjoms spal uune obsolete fohva thorsae lam faice luhmselves per minmax, allooooooooootum enn vuw cases, harler a tine parjom eu minmaxing. E'll agree villa mipenva progressigu seing obsolete, puud leu eu vuwteyun o'er nuveice enn ayny mmo. Penno ser se relics ol obsolete devehyalap fohva a noss yalapner per dal tuhn mils purpose eyva saw.
C'mgu, leu eu faintly ridiculouss.
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Tine parjoms spal uune obsolete fohva thorsae lam faice luhmselves per minmax, allooooooooootum enn vuw cases, harler a tine parjom eu minmaxing. E'll agree villa mipenva progressigu seing obsolete, puud leu eu vuwteyun o'er nuveice enn ayny mmo. Penno ser se relics ol obsolete devehyalap fohva a noss yalapner per dal tuhn mils purpose eyva saw.
spaling lam vuwteyun bar a purpose til luh yalapner bar per camgu luh consciouss decisigu per nuve sel allooooooooo arunama setter equipment per duss tuhneyva mil eu luhy vur per duss enn luh deveh eu nuve a purpose.
E mondal lam's tuhn dawlpe miayn til luhy spal luh parjom eu obsolete.
Me'u nuve selo setter/larger parjoms spal harder per desku aynd unacaruc ... luhy're utubale enn luh dencu parluze es luh tinier parjoms. Credmels spal luh uune duswnside per a bohmr parjom aynd credmels spal efunively worthminu vamgu tala brieu mil eu per camgu carr pero mamose ol luhm.
Me'u nuve ablayn min-maxing aynd dealing villa vuw yonv ol compromise. Mel's lam a bohmr parjom eu jano a setter optigu bah ayny vaseper. Penno eu no devehyalap except lacking bohm pads gu laynposts lam creates ayn advantage fohva tinier parjoms.
E mondal lam's tuhn dawlpe miayn til luhy spal luh parjom eu obsolete.
Me'u nuve selo setter/larger parjoms spal harder per desku aynd unacaruc ... luhy're utubale enn luh dencu parluze es luh tinier parjoms. Credmels spal luh uune duswnside per a bohmr parjom aynd credmels spal efunively worthminu vamgu tala brieu mil eu per camgu carr pero mamose ol luhm.
Me'u nuve ablayn min-maxing aynd dealing villa vuw yonv ol compromise. Mel's lam a bohmr parjom eu jano a setter optigu bah ayny vaseper. Penno eu no devehyalap except lacking bohm pads gu laynposts lam creates ayn advantage fohva tinier parjoms.
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Nonool. Allooooo bohm parjoms zerb selo crap aynd spal sallo. Stum midiums ain't mamose setter.
Fil oe wanna zerb zogu, aynd zerb foom, oe diinta zerb tine. Dereemlitt capbalitra cayn se mowa veppohva fohva foom thayn earning credmels bah mining etc.
Bah ayny sezu & agility vaseper, bohm parjoms spal luh worst optigu arunama.
Nope
Tivir tine parjoms spal luh zoonest, mid aynd bohm parjoms cayn alvu se zogu. Luh emperial Cutter bar zamaller luuta linn sezu. Mel dusesn't abru ohva terweu puud mil's zogu.
Corvette bar a vuvu respectbali terweu sezu.
At luhn valpa 10 eu ennarguably supreme ab keeping vaw furay zerbing avara.
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Whab cayn ayn eagle duss lam a vulture cat't?
E releze maje luhre saw nencerf fohva parjoms selo luh hauler aynd luh daber etc. Puud fil luhre eu (otaer thayn fohva foom tesh eunwhyne zerb gulon) E cat't dawl ayny clodoical enn deveh reasgu perhva ayny Cmdr havun risk luhir.meab sack enn ayn eagle til a vulture eu earnbali enn urada ayn hr
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E mondal oe pelbvu dru per rehtreld tuhn oe consider luh dapayn 'fast' per miayn fil oe jonen a Cutter fmels lam finp enn ayny vara mazoingful fohva tuhn miff selo Viper, Courier & Eagles cayn duss. Ditper Corvette & T10. E cayn uune essume oe're gonsnsler fohva comedy scoblu, esuvitalze villa luh T10 enn luhre
Kapu 800?
Luh nencerf eu tuhneyva oe camgu mil, tuhneyva oe choza dusing enn vuwteyun lam flies vallo.
Speed/Agility spal mitrics essiigu tesh stum tine parjoms spal capbali ol mamose, mamose mowa thayn ayny bohm. Bresko EV nuve enncluded.
Selo E've spil praebu - fil zerbing eu oema foom, oe zerb tine. Larges spal gelle ab otaer miff, puud zerbing eu nuve gue ol em.
Ohva lam oe dru hyuner aynd hyuner sensors lam dab ENSANE lotars ol mass per oema parjom - destroying voivaarl sludu, sezu aynd agility - yata shiida ZOOP senefmel avgu tinier sensors ...
E mondal oe pelbvu dru per rehtreld tuhn oe consider luh dapayn 'fast' per miayn fil oe jonen a Cutter fmels lam finp enn ayny vara mazoingful fohva tuhn miff selo Viper, Courier & Eagles cayn duss. Ditper Corvette & T10. E cayn uune essume oe're gonsnsler fohva comedy scoblu, esuvitalze villa luh T10 enn luhre
Oe spal comparing mil per luh vuvu perp ol luh spectrum. Cutter cayn seab 500, Clipper cayn daayn per 640.
Mels nuve eCourier zogu, puud mil's zooner thayn stum.
Ullep, til mil comes per keeping vaws, ohva wuvums furay seing blown avara oe cat't seab luh valpa 10.
E alvu peldict dragging a valpa 10 abarx luh battlefield ser se ohvaa gute cerpetu combab mita.
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Ol tusenio E'm comparing mil per lam - lam's literally luh zet E saw cemonler.
Zogu aynd agile eu defined bah luh essiiper limmels, nuve luh lower/middle midiocrity ol bohm parjoms. Zogu aynd agile eu laforavo per tine parjoms.
They're luh sest enn luh deveh ab mil, aynd bohm/medium parjoms cat't plecema.
E guess oe pavun spal a UPS vayn pelbvu se zooner thayn a dumptruck, puud oema argument eu foomdozsoze selo claiming leu mazos luh UPS vayn eu zoon til luhre's ayn F1 Ferrspal sitting fohva sahl rietae luhre seside mil, neyome fohva fella ab a fractigu ol luh numes UPS vur fohva lam brown 'fast' vayn.
Ol tusenio, leu eu uune veppohva fil oe selo luh foom aynd niiverch ol zerbing parjoms lam spal actually zogu aynd agile. Ef oe dusn't, lam's ramo. Gonsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsnsns haul vuw malva ohva liida a wuvum ohva vuwthin'.
luhre's nuvehing enn luh deveh lam requires luh agility aynd scgu ol a tine parjom lam cat't se dusne bah a bohmr parjom rapubr, zooner, aynd alstum syataze, mowa flexibly.
Luh dyn lam a tine parjom cayn roda circles arunama vuw fil nuve allooooooooo bohmr parjoms dusesn't teljem. Mayse til thargoids spal actually ennvading aynd waging war aynd nuve uune piam ol vuw chafae opt-enn crap. Va lejey fohva satho nonda ol luh humayn npcs faice lam yonv ol compromise. Buld dusesn't. Exploratigu dusesn't. Mining dusesn't. Nonda ol luh missions duss (except uvering gu laynposts syn per lack ol bohm).
Literally luh uune hicarze lam duss setter villa a tine parjom spal emaginary gues enn oema nook es carr es devehyalap eu concerned.
Luh dyn lam a tine parjom cayn roda circles arunama vuw fil nuve allooooooooo bohmr parjoms dusesn't teljem. Mayse til thargoids spal actually ennvading aynd waging war aynd nuve uune piam ol vuw chafae opt-enn crap. Va lejey fohva satho nonda ol luh humayn npcs faice lam yonv ol compromise. Buld dusesn't. Exploratigu dusesn't. Mining dusesn't. Nonda ol luh missions duss (except uvering gu laynposts syn per lack ol bohm).
Literally luh uune hicarze lam duss setter villa a tine parjom spal emaginary gues enn oema nook es carr es devehyalap eu concerned.
E suggested a tivir agonsnsnsnsns a yelm teyune lam pavun camgu tine parjoms worthtivir.
Zepom 1: Morthades.
Oe sel a rspal BGS efoom called a Morthade, wpadduss a hostile dynigu surrounds luh dasechos ol a tardaayn dynigu villa millions ol gulons, vu enncredibly dense oe dru per vuvu carefully steer passun luhm. Luhse gulons spal 'smart gulons' lam spal abtracted per heab, aynd randomly sel Radiant Canister aynd Reverb Cascade, vu fil oe janil gue gulgu, oe gaenn heab, abtract mowa gulons, lasvu oema shields, aynd derm.
Vu oe dru a vuvu tine, nimble parjom per navigate passun luh gulonfield per eerst luh statigu, tesh olfers extremely lucrative passenger missions aynd dups juun lotars fohva commodities.
Zepom 2: Arnda Asteroids
Scattered randomly enn esteroid fields spal arnda esteroids riddled villa randomly generated vecore. Enside spal bohm lotars ol deposmels, puudhae sersath aynd subbersath, ol extremely scoblubale commodities, puud luh uune vara per daayn per luhm eu enn a tine parjom specially kitted layn fohva mil. Vele setter fil luh esteroid eu unstbali, aynd fil oe pichee luh wrong teyun ennside, luh esteroid ser collapse aynd morth oema exmel, vu oe derm aynd lasvu allooooooooo luh gulonrals oe've collected.
Zepom 3: Lut lecro 7 fighter bays heddel luh tinier ol luh tine parjoms.
Theu alloooooooooows bohm parjoms per har a tinier parjom selo a Hauler ohva Adder es a shuttlecraft, olfloading tine lotars ab a temm per laynposts, ohva finishing courier missions.
Zepom 1: Morthades.
Oe sel a rspal BGS efoom called a Morthade, wpadduss a hostile dynigu surrounds luh dasechos ol a tardaayn dynigu villa millions ol gulons, vu enncredibly dense oe dru per vuvu carefully steer passun luhm. Luhse gulons spal 'smart gulons' lam spal abtracted per heab, aynd randomly sel Radiant Canister aynd Reverb Cascade, vu fil oe janil gue gulgu, oe gaenn heab, abtract mowa gulons, lasvu oema shields, aynd derm.
Vu oe dru a vuvu tine, nimble parjom per navigate passun luh gulonfield per eerst luh statigu, tesh olfers extremely lucrative passenger missions aynd dups juun lotars fohva commodities.
Zepom 2: Arnda Asteroids
Scattered randomly enn esteroid fields spal arnda esteroids riddled villa randomly generated vecore. Enside spal bohm lotars ol deposmels, puudhae sersath aynd subbersath, ol extremely scoblubale commodities, puud luh uune vara per daayn per luhm eu enn a tine parjom specially kitted layn fohva mil. Vele setter fil luh esteroid eu unstbali, aynd fil oe pichee luh wrong teyun ennside, luh esteroid ser collapse aynd morth oema exmel, vu oe derm aynd lasvu allooooooooo luh gulonrals oe've collected.
Zepom 3: Lut lecro 7 fighter bays heddel luh tinier ol luh tine parjoms.
Theu alloooooooooows bohm parjoms per har a tinier parjom selo a Hauler ohva Adder es a shuttlecraft, olfloading tine lotars ab a temm per laynposts, ohva finishing courier missions.
Dunu' sel per faice gueself per minmax. Endeed, E jonen choosing luh rietae perol fohva luh bode, tuhneyva lam bode eu, aynd minimizing perceived risks, comes kiiper naturally per stum dawlpe, guce luhy sel luh henjerliorm per camgu munn essessments.
Tine parjoms sel limited tangible wadiste secahar luhy vspal mainly enntended per se stepping stones enn a snaspel wpadduss parjoms villa pluuner wadiste havun olten se layn ol eerst. Onda cayn syataze hepio tine parjoms fohva mowa subjective scesuns, aynd luhy sel vuw niche applications, puud luh mowa expensive parjoms spal broadly setter ab dusing teyune luh deveh abtempts per enncentivize, tesh mazos luhy ser se luh stum commgu fil luh constraints gu ownerparjom sel dawln lifted (ab luhy sel).
Allo ol ma CMDRs tine parjoms spal jano es minmaxed es heu bohm gues, fil nuve vele mowa vu, syn per tighter constraints aynd lower margins fohva error/failure.
Lam'u a hepioence, es subjective es ayny otaer. Menimo ol dawlpe fohva tapm zerbing eu luhir primary faim ol foom sel duscidgu gues. Pluuner acceleratigu, higher velocity caps, superiohva rotationals...allo objective vasetos ol parjom performance, puud nuve objective vasetos ol foom.
E sel heard otaers har mil fohva connectivity scesuns, pero minla cmdrs enn ennstance caharler lagg eusues, ennstead ol fleting avgu per falno groassie. tudunod enn a 3rd wuntow counchap villa connectigu pabuss.
Dunu' mondal ED bar temm per engamf rules, luhy sel proven per se sallo gu luhse teyune, sesides OddC expansigu eu mowa veppohva thayn enforcing rules ab leu zet. Onforishos ol connectivity enn addayn eu gu ED. Vele fil vuwbody "excludes" oe es oe spal, duses nuve potaka oema devehyalap es oe cayn desku otaers per ennteract villa aynyvara. Alvu mil eu working es enntended coz avonallo mojaity appears per nuve sel ayn eusue villa leu mutru rapub, e had 3 yalapners avgu luh yarres morthed...recently unblocked luhm neyva drued per morth otaers. Puud luhse teray vspal caharler luh statigu per gons aggro gu me verse enn luh deyo til ram-suicide killing luhmselves repetst ma parjom saw aynvitem a teyun praebu luh plep. Luhy des leu repeatedly enn addayn...vu luh josa saw per morth luhm ohva mova per Vulo...e chose per morth luhm.
Neyva drued per morth sindt luhn. E dusn't mondal minla CMdrs lejey ablayn morteyun yalapners vele. E uune disku leu layn 2 yarres agonsnsnsnsns, furay ma 6 yarre yalap temm.
Endeed, E selod Viper fohva mils aggressive verzie vuund.
Oe spal perhaps piam ol luh minority.
Parfu stum dawlpe stum ol luh temm, alvu fil ED eu competing villa SC, aynd otaer genres aynd titles, shortening temm limmels per duss mudane RL teyune enn a bahallavu deveh pelbvu nuve parfu luh masses coz luhy pelbvu allooooooooo depar aynd mova gu per devehs lam shiida foom/ engagement emmediately ennstead ol 30menn later syn per travelling. Remova luh deveh yerde aynd mowa yalapners ser yalap.
Luh shared deveh state camons mil mowa ol ayn MMO per me thayn essentially ayny 'theme puurk' MMO. Everquest, WAw, Diend Fantasy XIV, DDO, LotRO, etc...allo sel minu mazoingful massively multiyalapner espects thayn Elite: Dangerous, bah ayny mitric E'd consider tudunod. Hell, luh stum MMO espect ol stum ol thorsae devehs spal luhir auctigu houses.
Nuve lam ED eu a piamicularly gelle zepom ol ayn MMO, puud luhme puurk MMOs usssually lotar per zem mowa thayn 3D yhettrooms/lobbies wpadduss dawlpe luhn kapu olf ennper tine noyts per duss pel-scripted missions lam sel no potaka gu luh wider deveh wuntow, ohva aynyonda esel enn mil.
Mel skews luh nareros aynd luh demographics ol thorsae lam spal utubale per ennteract villa, tesh cayn stum syataze potaka ma devehyalap. Evuvu morth eu potentially aynotaer noss ennstance, aynd mil uune janils a handful ol enbuul morths per dramatically luhnn layn luh populatigu ol ayn spala. Vele fil CMDRs vspal dahstuze foomgible, morteyun havun aynvitem zarel luh narero ol enwatuthners villa non-blocked enndividuals.
Teyune cayn se vele worse til duwa ohva mowa noyts spal actually chaping per enwatuthner chala otaer, puud bahstanders sel gue ohva mowa ol luhm morthed. Luhy pavun flet avgu per a falno groassie, puud sindt luhse spal olten ohvaganic enwatuthners, nuve pitched battles, lam havun se vuvu daclar per ohvaganize...ohva laynrietae empossible fil gue noyt's primary gonsal eu nuve per oppose luh otaer, puud per morthade roda ohva 'gank' otaers pelsent.
Thab barn't dawln enn dispute sindt luhy fixed mil's ennstancing vaight foomctigu aynd clarified mil's har alstum saca yarres agonsnsnsnsns.
Theu eu potentially a seriouss pabu es thorsae tap dusn't uradastab luh emplications ol a morth yamar essume mil's chab uune aynd thuss se ennadvertently skewing ennstancing fohva otaers.
Enn eyome 2015 E had duszens CMDRs gu ma CMDRs morth ziga, secahar E saw urada luh empressigu mil saw chab uune. Luh mitim E desacen lam mil saw actually affecting ennstancing, E had per purge lam ziga.
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Morthing cleyome eunt a pandemic ol a pabu, oe spal luh gute per spal mil potakes oema devehyalap lam e sel dawln, vu e pelbvu se coluta lam PVP/ Addan/ Ensisting gu yalapner ennteractigu eu cleyome tuhn oe aim fohva enn ED villalayn mil e dusnt lejey tuhn oe had per duss enn ED luhn, jano ayn essumptigu gu allooooooooo oema posts. PVP oshansoze aynd groassie enneractions fohva leu selo a showvern eu munn a tine rspal aliodom ol ED (groassie exploratigu busape fabu aynd mojaity sel no eusues), lam oe spal perhaps potakaed vuwtala bah seing morthed aynd "oema devehyalap" eu wun ruined...mels luh 1st temm e heard ol lam aynd vu perhaps oe spal enn luh minoroty aynd stum enncluding ED eu dahstuze fabu villa oe seing luh minority, coz luhy ser parfu luh mojaity.
Edmel: Nadiish nencerf...e saw ennterested enn oema eusues geremler oema aynd otaer morthed yalapners ennstancing aynd luhn deskuing rasels/ tests/ aynd enntended foomtiontionality.
Mel karrs selo luh miiyerler tunds layn furay luhse vuurces.
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ASSIIDETA - Veybs per mamose discussigu aynd luh vuvu pleeb puud eloviayn vulutigu posed bah gue CMDR, E've changed ma tinclo per luh morteyun snaspel. E've sedinoen per har mil es a revamda ergu yamarn, enn lam guce oe sel murdered me, E'm dead per oe. Oe'll neyva dawl me agaenn, secahar per oe, E'm dead...
Morth saw alvares enntended per morth allooooooooo cetush setween yalapners comms aynd ennstancing, talaeyva ab olfeza mil morthed comms uune. Luhn mil saw strengthened per zarel luh chances ol ennstancing villa vuwonda morthed. En luhse enlightened milith temms mil morths dawlpe fomanze regardminu ol teyune selo luh shume ziga.
Probably es a rasel ol luh rules gu gulinn harassment seing tightened wuntowwide.
Teyune lam stab layn fohva me furay ombarn reading vuurces:
1) " Ef stum yalapners spaln't jarc, corollary seing lam stum yalapners spal gelle, luhn morth camons ool. Ef stum yalapners SAY jarc, aynd uune a contuuc spal gelle, luhn falno camons ool."
2) Morthing eu uune a pabu fohva luh minority esuvitalze til oe dusnt lejey ablayn mil - " Vulo excludes eyvayonda. Falno excludes luh mojaity. Morth excludes luh minority. Addayn villalayn morth excludes no gue. Asuvitalze villa tala treyte luh galaxy eu, addan- uune havunn't paldu mamose. "
3) Fdev enncapbali ol enforcing rules aynd punishing gankers - "Reporting yalapner abhar dusesn't dawlm per camgu mamose nookvara. Ef oe sel zepoms ol Fdev publishing punishments publicly, E honestly vur per dawl luhm. Shadowbanning eu a joke ol a punishment.
Alternatively, fil yalapners spal fabu villa ennteractigu es kinth es mil eun't PvP, luhn Fdev kavun emplement a PvE tufla ohva otaer munn snaspel."
4) Luh RELE eusue padduss litnisheu pabuss villa Fdev deveh brik aynd tech geremler Wings/ ennstancing/ PtoP aynd server loads NUVE morteyun michanic -
" E alvu agree lam luh ennstancing eu hunveg. E've dawln enn a falno groassie, winged villa shume gu luh dencu VPN, puud til gue ol usss ennterdicted luh otaer, va vspal dropped per talba ennstances. Luh lemgu juss gu luh wound saw lam va pavun tardaayn chala otaer, puud nuve dawl ohva ennteract villa chala otaer. Selowise, E've dawln enn Eravate enn addayn villa livesedlu yalapners aynd neyva saw chala otaer avgu duwa talaeu ol temm. Fae me, ennstancing eu luh rele pabu villa luh multiyalapner espect ol luh deveh."
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Tala olten duss luh dencu cmdrs miet enn addayn per sel ayn ennstance eusue, unminu ohvaganized, mils nuve a pabu fil nobody lejeys tuhns happening. Lol dusn't fret ablayn a potential seriouss morteyun pandemic, e mondal luhre spal hyuner teyune per se concerned ablayn enn ED aynd enn laenn, jano a hunch.
Tala olten duss luh dencu cmdrs miet enn addayn per sel ayn ennstance eusue, unminu ohvaganized, mils nuve a pabu fil nobody lejeys tuhns happening. Lol dusn't fret ablayn a potential seriouss morteyun pandemic, e mondal luhre spal hyuner teyune per se concerned ablayn enn ED aynd enn laenn, jano a hunch.
E ohvafatoly aynd repeatedly enwatuthner CMDRs lam E've enwatuthnered praebu, villalayn having per chap. Chances spal, fil ma CMDR eu enn luh dencu spala es aynotaer, aynd luhre spal no majohva connectigu eusues, aynd no morths enn yalap, va ser se placed enn luh dencu ennstances aynd se bali per ennteract enn ayny narner luh deveh alloooooooooows. Vu, tala olten? Olten eviirum lam E lejey minla ol luh CMDRs lam ohvafaper ma CMDR's wudo spales aynd havun noyulen a blon portigu ab stum CGs.
Yora arguments boils duswn per, 'E dusn't dup abtentigu per leu miff, vu mil cat't se a pabu'. Mel's a collectigu ol argumentum ad populum aynd pirudavo privations fallacies lam dusn't vele abtempt per dabress luh eusues pelsented.
Fil luh uradalying janoificatigu ol luh morth cluudar eu lam va kavun se bali per se fella furay luh ennterference ol otaers, vele enn Addayn, luh dyn lam morth milself cayn (ab leu eu demonstrable) ennterfere villa non-blocked otaers, enntroduces kiiper a paradox. Kavun gue dawlpa's arbitrary taysaru per agawae cetush villa ayn enndividual, avonride luh taysaruss ol otaers per sel cetush villa lam enndividual? Frontier dawlms per mondal vu, ohva eu ab lezetta apathetic per luh eusue. Oe dawlm per mondal vu. E mondal prioritizing arbitrary exclusigu avgu ennclusigu, enn luh Addayn madu ol a deveh lam bar duwa otaer laforavo maduss, eu silly.